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They advocate withdrawal from the european union.
we should vote for them because that's what they'll do if they come into power. all the other important issues look like they have been decided in a two hour meeting last thursday. gah! And their advert points out that: "The European Minister for fisheries is Austrian. Austria has no coastline. Is this the man you want in charge of our fishing?" (shot of man in lederhosen - therefore an austrian) so, by the same logic, british people would be no good at climbing mount everest, as there are no big mountains in england, and we would also be no good at desert warfare, as we have no deserts.
Because he comes from a country that is land locked, doesn't mean he doesn't know about the sea!
Kilroy, recently fired from the BBC for a racist article in a paper, advocated the UKIP. He recently said: "It's not that I don't like the spanish.... It's just that I don't trust them.." Sheesh!

Can anyone argue their case?

Yes, the most successful countries in Europe, i.e. highest per capita income, are not in the EU, the UK is the most successful economically and we are not in the Eurozone, the Euro flopped at launch, and the EU is becoming too political.

I can't shake off the feeling that, no matter how earnestly they paint themselves as fair-minded decent types, UKIP are the BNP under a different name. And Kilroy... he's a joke.

I'm not even pro-EU.

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

Yes, the most successful countries in Europe, i.e. highest per capita income, are not in the EU, the UK is the most successful economically and we are not in the Eurozone, the Euro flopped at launch, and the EU is becoming too political.

which countries would those be then?

I can't shake off the feeling that, no matter how earnestly they paint themselves as fair-minded decent types, UKIP are the BNP under a different name. And Kilroy... he's a joke.

I'm not even pro-EU.

They're not the BNP by any stretch. They are the lunatic end of the Conservative party that they'd do best to ignore. Kilroy and Tony Martin addressing their conference? Please! :roll:

The UKIP are a waste of time.

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

God almighty. The highest non-white population of any town in the UK is 37%, in Leicester (based on the most recent figures I've seen - 2003).

We're not a racially pure nation and this is a good thing.

Yes, the most successful countries in Europe, i.e. highest per capita income, are not in the EU, the UK is the most successful economically and we are not in the Eurozone, the Euro flopped at launch, and the EU is becoming too political.

which countries would those be then?

Yeah, I'd like to know that, too. And what's so horrible about the Euro? I mean, when they introduced it here in Germany, I was pretty pissed off, because they didn't ask me first :roll:, but now it doesn't seem to be doing so badly, plus it's really convenient when you travel.

The UKIP are a waste of time.

That's your profesional opinion is it? :D

I never said we were or had to be racialy pure, but when the country is being filled with ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy, then we have to rethink who should sit in goverment (personally the tory's will do much better)

Yes, the most successful countries in Europe, i.e. highest per capita income, are not in the EU, the UK is the most successful economically and we are not in the Eurozone, the Euro flopped at launch, and the EU is becoming too political.

which countries would those be then?

Yeah, I'd like to know that, too. And what's so horrible about the Euro? I mean, when they introduced it here in Germany, I was pretty pissed off, because they didn't ask me first :roll:, but now it doesn't seem to be doing so badly, plus it's really convenient when you travel.

It means your currency is controlled by other nations, other nation cough, cough , France, then disobey stability pacts and damage its worth, and as I said the UK has the fastest growing European economy and we ain't in it :P

I never said we were or had to be racialy pure, but when the country is being filled with ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy, then we have to rethink who should sit in goverment (personally the tory's will do much better)

"Filled". Sorry, that's bollocks.

I was pretty annoyed when they said we weren't having the Euro just yet, but I guess if the economic situation isn't right, then it's ok. As for asylum seekers, I am not sure where I stand on them.

edit: filled hahaha. He's right you know... I look out my window and all i can see are foreigners. [joke]

I can't shake off the feeling that, no matter how earnestly they paint themselves as fair-minded decent types, UKIP are the BNP under a different name. And Kilroy... he's a joke.

I'm not even pro-EU.

They're not the BNP by any stretch. They are the lunatic end of the Conservative party that they'd do best to ignore. Kilroy and Tony Martin addressing their conference? Please! :roll:

OK, I'll retract that comment. They're specifically anti-European to a degree that I'm not comfortable with.

"Filled". Sorry, that's bollocks.[/quote]

Thats whats its going to turn out to be in a few years at this rate.

Yes, the most successful countries in Europe, i.e. highest per capita income, are not in the EU, the UK is the most successful economically and we are not in the Eurozone, the Euro flopped at launch, and the EU is becoming too political.

which countries would those be then?

Yeah, I'd like to know that, too. And what's so horrible about the Euro? I mean, when they introduced it here in Germany, I was pretty pissed off, because they didn't ask me first :roll:, but now it doesn't seem to be doing so badly, plus it's really convenient when you travel.

It means your currency is controlled by other nations, other nation cough, cough , France, then disobey stability pacts and damage its worth, and as I said the UK has the fastest growing European economy and we ain't in it :P

Even though soon we won't have any manufacturing left because of the strong pound?

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

God almighty. The highest non-white population of any town in the UK is 37%, in Leicester (based on the most recent figures I've seen - 2003).

We're not a racially pure nation and this is a good thing.

Do not take my question as an opinion of my views on the matter, I am all for integration, internationalism and multiculturalism.
But philosophically speaking, why is it a good thing?

I wish you could tell me

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

God almighty. The highest non-white population of any town in the UK is 37%, in Leicester (based on the most recent figures I've seen - 2003).

We're not a racially pure nation and this is a good thing.

Do not take my question as an opinion of my views on the matter, I am all for integration, internationalism and multiculturalism.
But philosophically speaking, why is it a good thing?

It isn't, it gets to the point where cultures are like chemicals in a crucible, heating and ready to react. Even the immigration commission now says we shouldn't have multiculturalism.

Yeah, I'd like to know that, too. And what's so horrible about the Euro? I mean, when they introduced it here in Germany, I was pretty pissed off, because they didn't ask me first :roll:, but now it doesn't seem to be doing so badly, plus it's really convenient when you travel.

It means your currency is controlled by other nations, other nation cough, cough , France, then disobey stability pacts and damage its worth, and as I said the UK has the fastest growing European economy and we ain't in it :P

You're in the EU, aren't you, even if you're not part of the Eurozone?
And no country disobeys the stability pact more frequently than Germany, not even France...oops, that's not exactly an argument for Britain to get the Euro, is it :wink: . Still, so far none of that has damaged the Euro's worth (on the contrary, during the Iraq crisis, the Euro gained more than 25% in comparison to the dollar), and even if it did, a weak Euro would actually be better for a country whose economy relies on exporting its products.

There is nothing wrong with having different cultures in a country, but you need to ask yourselves if Britain didnt have all the wealth, glory and power that it has 'earned' over hundreds of years would other countries e.g. poland (if they were in our shoes) except British immigrants

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

God almighty. The highest non-white population of any town in the UK is 37%, in Leicester (based on the most recent figures I've seen - 2003).

We're not a racially pure nation and this is a good thing.

Do not take my question as an opinion of my views on the matter, I am all for integration, internationalism and multiculturalism.
But philosophically speaking, why is it a good thing?

Bugger, this'll teach me to start posting in General when I should be working. Um... essentially, I applaud the diversity and cosmopolitan nature of the areas of Britain that have a mixed population. It's not just about Christian/Muslim culture, or about someone's skin colour. Our language, culture, arts and even sciences evolve and prosper according to the injection of contrasting ways of life.

Sorry, I appreciate that this isn't the greatest of answers. I'm working off a drunken lunch (which would explain my uncharacteristically sharp earlier comments).

Incidentally, it seems that many people also fail to recognise that many of us have our origins in what are now France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Denmark...

Yeah, I'd like to know that, too. And what's so horrible about the Euro? I mean, when they introduced it here in Germany, I was pretty pissed off, because they didn't ask me first :roll:, but now it doesn't seem to be doing so badly, plus it's really convenient when you travel.

It means your currency is controlled by other nations, other nation cough, cough , France, then disobey stability pacts and damage its worth, and as I said the UK has the fastest growing European economy and we ain't in it :P

You're in the EU, aren't you, even if you're not part of the Eurozone?
And no country disobeys the stability pact more frequently than Germany, not even France...oops, that's not exactly an argument for Britain to get the Euro, is it :wink: . Still, so far none of that has damaged the Euro's worth (on the contrary, during the Iraq crisis, the Euro gained more than 25% in comparison to the dollar), and even if it did, a weak Euro would actually be better for a country whose economy relies on exporting its products.

Yes just that France was the first that came to mind. And true for the rest of what you said, well the weak currency good bit anyway. I still think though I would rather have soverign control over our own currency. Interest rates etc.

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

God almighty. The highest non-white population of any town in the UK is 37%, in Leicester (based on the most recent figures I've seen - 2003).

We're not a racially pure nation and this is a good thing.

Do not take my question as an opinion of my views on the matter, I am all for integration, internationalism and multiculturalism.
But philosophically speaking, why is it a good thing?

It isn't, it gets to the point where cultures are like chemicals in a crucible, heating and ready to react. Even the immigration commission now says we shouldn't have multiculturalism.

In fairness, my point only referred to racial purity. I doubt any nations have this, yet it's something the BNP tends to bring up on a regular basis.

*Looks at thread title*

Anyway, I digress...

Actually my family (both sides) originate from Scotland and my family used to have its own coat of arms (but no we are not royalty or anything)

I can't shake off the feeling that, no matter how earnestly they paint themselves as fair-minded decent types, UKIP are the BNP under a different name. And Kilroy... he's a joke.

I'm not even pro-EU.

UKIP and BNP the same?? are you sure about that? :?

Unforently you right about the political parts the EU was supposed to be only about strengthing the economic position and developing a standard currency so people who routinely travel between countries do not have to have 2 sets of currency. This also made it easier for traverls who are planning to backpack across or travel across europe by not having to exchange for 5 to 10 different types of currency. Politicals come with every form of government and organizations that are created. The reason England economy is so strong is that managed a long time ago to gain control over many islands and spread their economy in to many sectors not just focusing heavily on just a few sectors like many countries do. This allowed England with little resources to gain the needed resources to be semi-self-sufficient. That is why like England the United States has been able to keep a strong economy. We have a heavy focus on almost every sector with the exception of oil which we import by the motherload until people decide that electric gas conversion are good reliable car which they already are. We have a huge allotment of resoources in the country already to survive off of and have to import only import a moderate amount for the excessive the USA chooses to use.

I can't shake off the feeling that, no matter how earnestly they paint themselves as fair-minded decent types, UKIP are the BNP under a different name. And Kilroy... he's a joke.

I'm not even pro-EU.

UKIP and BNP the same?? are you sure about that? :?

No... I've already clarified that further down. I was simply expressing my lack of respect for them in overly colourful terms. Maybe I should have just said that they were a bunch of wankers.

UKIP is a bit reactionary against the EU, IMO. I saw Kilroy-Silk on that Dimbleby programme (can't remember name - Panorama?) last week, and he seemed a bit of a div. Mind you, the Labour woman scared the crap out of me :shock: I don't want Britain to lose sovereignty etc, but I'm confused over the real extent of the European constitution-thingy.

Is there a sensible political party left in the country? Should I even have the ability to vote when I don't know all the facts? (A big question when people are having more restrictions put on their behaviour by the government). I hate politics so much that I don't bother to read the papers anymore. Does anyone else feel that way - that they can't feel safe expressing political views because they're not well enough informed? I'm only 18, and the next general election is my first - but I'm finding that I feel increasingly evil every time that I get involved in a political debate :cry: I've been called a racist just for saying that I don't like illegal immigration - is that right?

Anyway, I'm rambling. I don't know who I should vote for anymore. I don't think I'd vote UKIP though.

President of HoopHoopland (totally OOC)

UKIP is a bit reactionary against the EU, IMO. I saw Kilroy-Silk on that Dimbleby programme (can't remember name - Panorama?) last week, and he seemed a bit of a div. Mind you, the Labour woman scared the crap out of me :shock: I don't want Britain to lose sovereignty etc, but I'm confused over the real extent of the European constitution-thingy.

Is there a sensible political party left in the country? Should I even have the ability to vote when I don't know all the facts? (A big question when people are having more restrictions put on their behaviour by the government). I hate politics so much that I don't bother to read the papers anymore. Does anyone else feel that way - that they can't feel safe expressing political views because they're not well enough informed? I'm only 18, and the next general election is my first - but I'm finding that I feel increasingly evil every time that I get involved in a political debate :cry: I've been called a racist just for saying that I don't like illegal immigration - is that right?

Anyway, I'm rambling. I don't know who I should vote for anymore. I don't think I'd vote UKIP though.

President of HoopHoopland (totally OOC)

Vote Conservative. :lol:

totally OOC--Fine its the OOC forum.

The European constitution is supposed to give us set rights, however I agree with what Michael Howard said, nations have treaties, countries have constitutions, I do not want this nation to be tied to Europe in any such strong way. One benefit of the constitution is it gives us set right which, believe it or not, we do not have in the UK, we have no right to vote etc.

You are most certainly not a racist for not agreeing with mass free immigration, I have been called a lot worse.

I'm English and am very concerned about the number of foreigners I can see when I look out of the window too. Mind you, I am working in Amsterdam :lol:

Thanks Enerica, I'll probably end up voting Tory for reasons I don't fully understand! :wink:

I think that people really need a source of the latest political happenings and stuff that's unbiased. Is there a kind of paper or something that just reports political goings on in their basic form? That would be useful.

P.S. CaptainBeaver - :lol: I hear it's nice there at this time of year :)

President of HoopHoopland

i don't get this whole thing about sovereignty, the people generally have no power over what happens to them politically but they get all uppety if the person controlling it wasn't born locally. this may anger some people but what really does nationality have to do with running countries.
but yeah, the EU, full steam ahead, one superstate is better than all these fiddly ones.

I never said we were or had to be racialy pure, but when the country is being filled with ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy, then we have to rethink who should sit in goverment (personally the tory's will do much better)

Perhaps the " tory's " would do much better if they learned the correct use of the apostrophe!

Theroretically it should be 'tories' too, but let's not be pedantic (or whatever).

I want Britain to be sovereign because if it's not sovereign then it's not a country in it's own right, it's just a region of somewhere else. When you start putting people from different cultures in charge of other peoples' affairs then it becomes complicated; they might have a totally different way of looking at things than the people they make the decisions for. That's why I don't want Britain to lose its sovereignty. I mean, if we don't have any power over what happens to us anyway then why don't we just call it all a day and have a dictatorship of the person who claws their way to the top of the pile? (Note: By no means calling EU dictatorship :lol: ) British people aren't the only ones who get uppity about having foreign nationals in high office - look at the recent kurfuffle in India over that Gandhi lady. They didn't want an Italian to be governing India - and why not?

In response to the EU superstate mention - well, one man's decision is better than all those fiddly ones we get in a democracy. Shall we scrap them and just let him decide for the sake of ease? Politics isn't about simplicity of a system, it's about trying to push the system you think is best. I don't want a superstate because I'm an Englishman. Maybe that's wrong to some people, and it's likely that I'll just end up seeming like a relic of the past when people look back - like the people who objected to unification in the central European countries in the 19th Century. In the meantime, it may well turn out to be a difficult transition to make between individual states and one united continent.

President of HoopHoopland (using his puppet JoopJoopland)

Theroretically it should be 'tories' too, but let's not be pedantic (or whatever).

I want Britain to be sovereign because if it's not sovereign then it's not a country in it's own right, it's just a region of somewhere else. When you start putting people from different cultures in charge of other peoples' affairs then it becomes complicated; they might have a totally different way of looking at things than the people they make the decisions for. That's why I don't want Britain to lose its sovereignty. I mean, if we don't have any power over what happens to us anyway then why don't we just call it all a day and have a dictatorship of the person who claws their way to the top of the pile? (Note: By no means calling EU dictatorship :lol: ) British people aren't the only ones who get uppity about having foreign nationals in high office - look at the recent kurfuffle in India over that Gandhi lady. They didn't want an Italian to be governing India - and why not?

In response to the EU superstate mention - well, one man's decision is better than all those fiddly ones we get in a democracy. Shall we scrap them and just let him decide for the sake of ease? Politics isn't about simplicity of a system, it's about trying to push the system you think is best. I don't want a superstate because I'm an Englishman. Maybe that's wrong to some people, and it's likely that I'll just end up seeming like a relic of the past when people look back - like the people who objected to unification in the central European countries in the 19th Century. In the meantime, it may well turn out to be a difficult transition to make between individual states and one united continent.

President of HoopHoopland (using his puppet JoopJoopland)

i understand your point about meddling in other peoples' affairs and it makes sense, but culturally, the countries of most of europe are very similar. with similar virtues and values, similar internal politcs, similar public opinion, overall on my travels i've been astonished by how homely these foreign parts are. but its all down to drawing a line between insider and outsider, par exemple, many people in wales (or cymru (i swear they just that name up to annoy people)) think that london is not fit for governing them.

btw, well done for equating my opinion with autocratic tendancies, well played there :P , being part of a superstate wouldn't impede on any freedom as you'd still have the right to vote and, internationally at least, your vote would carry more weight (as long as you voted the winning side...)

Theroretically it should be 'tories' too, but let's not be pedantic (or whatever).

I want Britain to be sovereign because if it's not sovereign then it's not a country in it's own right, it's just a region of somewhere else. When you start putting people from different cultures in charge of other peoples' affairs then it becomes complicated; they might have a totally different way of looking at things than the people they make the decisions for. That's why I don't want Britain to lose its sovereignty. I mean, if we don't have any power over what happens to us anyway then why don't we just call it all a day and have a dictatorship of the person who claws their way to the top of the pile? (Note: By no means calling EU dictatorship :lol: ) British people aren't the only ones who get uppity about having foreign nationals in high office - look at the recent kurfuffle in India over that Gandhi lady. They didn't want an Italian to be governing India - and why not?

In response to the EU superstate mention - well, one man's decision is better than all those fiddly ones we get in a democracy. Shall we scrap them and just let him decide for the sake of ease? Politics isn't about simplicity of a system, it's about trying to push the system you think is best. I don't want a superstate because I'm an Englishman. Maybe that's wrong to some people, and it's likely that I'll just end up seeming like a relic of the past when people look back - like the people who objected to unification in the central European countries in the 19th Century. In the meantime, it may well turn out to be a difficult transition to make between individual states and one united continent.

President of HoopHoopland (using his puppet JoopJoopland)

i understand your point about meddling in other peoples' affairs and it makes sense, but culturally, the countries of most of europe are very similar. with similar virtues and values, similar internal politcs, similar public opinion, overall on my travels i've been astonished by how homely these foreign parts are. but its all down to drawing a line between insider and outsider, par exemple, many people in wales (or cymru (i swear they just that name up to annoy people)) think that london is not fit for governing them.

btw, well done for equating my opinion with autocratic tendancies, well played there :P , being part of a superstate wouldn't impede on any freedom as you'd still have the right to vote and, internationally at least, your vote would carry more weight (as long as you voted the winning side...)

Theroretically it should be 'tories' too, but let's not be pedantic (or whatever).

I want Britain to be sovereign because if it's not sovereign then it's not a country in it's own right, it's just a region of somewhere else. When you start putting people from different cultures in charge of other peoples' affairs then it becomes complicated; they might have a totally different way of looking at things than the people they make the decisions for. That's why I don't want Britain to lose its sovereignty. I mean, if we don't have any power over what happens to us anyway then why don't we just call it all a day and have a dictatorship of the person who claws their way to the top of the pile? (Note: By no means calling EU dictatorship :lol: ) British people aren't the only ones who get uppity about having foreign nationals in high office - look at the recent kurfuffle in India over that Gandhi lady. They didn't want an Italian to be governing India - and why not?

In response to the EU superstate mention - well, one man's decision is better than all those fiddly ones we get in a democracy. Shall we scrap them and just let him decide for the sake of ease? Politics isn't about simplicity of a system, it's about trying to push the system you think is best. I don't want a superstate because I'm an Englishman. Maybe that's wrong to some people, and it's likely that I'll just end up seeming like a relic of the past when people look back - like the people who objected to unification in the central European countries in the 19th Century. In the meantime, it may well turn out to be a difficult transition to make between individual states and one united continent.

President of HoopHoopland (using his puppet JoopJoopland)

i understand your point about meddling in other peoples' affairs and it makes sense, but culturally, the countries of most of europe are very similar. with similar virtues and values, similar internal politcs, similar public opinion, overall on my travels i've been astonished by how homely these foreign parts are. but its all down to drawing a line between insider and outsider, par exemple, many people in wales (or cymru (i swear they just that name up to annoy people)) think that london is not fit for governing them.

btw, well done for equating my opinion with autocratic tendancies, well played there :P , being part of a superstate wouldn't impede on any freedom as you'd still have the right to vote and, internationally at least, your vote would carry more weight (as long as you voted the winning side...)

Although im a conservative and support some of the UKIP views i do think that the EU is good for trade but i do not agree with the fact that we will have to lose our defence and foreign powers (yes really). I also think the fact that free access to all countries in the EU for EU members is silly, Britian already has enough arab asylum seekers with having milions of European asylum seekers to go on top. How will the people of this country react when we start to become the MINORITY (but no im not a BNP)

Where to begin-
A) You're supposedly a patriot. Show a bit of commitment and learn to spell your nation's name. B-R-I-T-A-I-N
B) You're the sort of person who gives Conservatives a bad name. You, and the rest of them (except from Churchill and Clarke)
C) Enough Arab Asylum seekers? It has few 'arab' asylum seekers as a percentage of the asylum population.
D) Millions of European Asylums seekers? Sources for this huge number?
E) There's no such thing as a European Asylum Seeker in Britain. For a country to be admitted into the EU it has to have a human rights record satisfactory enough to mean that it can't produce 'asylum seekers'. The term you are looking for is 'immigrant'.
F) Don't be pathetic. You're stirring up of race hatred is childish and unappealing. By 'we' I assume you mean White anglo-saxons.

When did Englishness get hijacked by these racists? As far as I'm concerned, It's supporting free speech, democracy and the rule of law. It's not discriminating someone on the basis of religion, race or sexuality. It's tolerance and acceptance. It's recognising the worth of everyone. It's caution, it's amateurism, it's accepting that winning isn't all, it's waiting for the slowest in the pack. It's reserve and politeness, it's understanding irony, it's not being American. The English are a mongrel race. It's something we should be proud of. It's what all our trade, art, politics and culture is based on. It's not flag waving, racism or pissing in fountains. That's not right, that's not cricket. That's just not British.

...ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy...
Strange how, without cheap immigrant labour, the UK economy would go down the toilet faster than you can say Rule Brittania.
I bet you think immigrants are 'stealing our jobs' too, hm?

...ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy...
Strange how, without cheap immigrant labour, the UK economy would go down the toilet faster than you can say Rule Brittania.
I bet you think immigrants are 'stealing our jobs' too, hm?

By definition, immigrants are "stealing our jobs" since if they werent here then those jobs would have been filled by British people. God, the sheer unadulterated idiocy of some liberals continues to stun me despite my best efforts... :x

Anyway, i agree with the original poster, the UKIP is a joke. Its a bunch of nationalists trying to cloak their nationalism and water down their policies in a vain attempt to gain liberal approval. Since no nationalist group will ever be accepted by the liberal establishment, why bother? Even the BNP seems to be going too far in this direction, although its still better than most other parties out there.

...ILLEGAL immigrants who have no thoughts of getting a job to earn an honest living and add (instead of stealing from) the economy...
Strange how, without cheap immigrant labour, the UK economy would go down the toilet faster than you can say Rule Brittania.
I bet you think immigrants are 'stealing our jobs' too, hm?

By definition, immigrants are "stealing our jobs" since if they werent here then those jobs would have been filled by British people. God, the sheer unadulterated idiocy of some liberals continues to stun me despite my best efforts... :x


Actually, you're assumptions that if immigrants didn't occupy jobs, Brits would is wrong. Like in America, there are jobs British people just don't want to do. Call it 'The Pride of The MasterRace', if you will.

Our country is built on immigrant labour. Indeed, the immigrant curry economy contributes more to the economy than Coal, Steel and Shipbuilding industries added together. Not only is your nationalism pathetic, it's counter productive.