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i have wondered about this for a while what would the world be like today if jesus wasnt executed?

non-existent person. biblical myth. but that is just my opinion

The Roman Catholic Church would simply have another mascote and as a result another name. So, no real change.

non-existent person. biblical myth. but that is just my opinion
Yawn yawn. Even if you're an none Jew/Christian/Muslim there are historical documents that refer to such a person. So even if he was a con man you will find it difficult to argue he never existed.
It's like me saying I think Richard the Lion Heart was a myth. Stories attached to him may be myth but he was a real person.

I know that 8 million women would not have been burned at the stake...

Zoroastianism (sp ?) would be the dominate religion of the world.

Islam would have never arisen.

His book would be classified as a spritual text, rather than a religious one.

non-existent person. biblical myth. but that is just my opinion
Yawn yawn. Even if you're an none Jew/Christian/Muslim there are historical documents that refer to such a person. So even if he was a con man you will find it difficult to argue he never existed.
It's like me saying I think Richard the Lion Heart was a myth. Stories attached to him may be myth but he was a real person.

jesus the christ=myth, jesus(some jewish name)= real man

i have wondered about this for a while what would the world be like today if jesus wasnt executed?

Well, according to the Muslims, and to some Christian offshoots like the Cathars, he wasn't. As there is no good historical evidence for the crucifixion, it all depends on what you believe.

But let's assume that Jesus was crucified. Since history is chaotic, there is absolutely no way that anyone can predict what would happen if any one event was changed. I think the most accurate answer I'd be prepared to give to your question would be "roughly spherical". Anything more detailed would be idle speculation.

Believe in him or not. Almost everyone accepts that Jesus Christ existed. I for one being a Christian (dont look so shocked I have a moral side) Do believe that Christ existed and iam afraid that there is just too much proof and accounts to state otherwise.

Was he the son of God. Who knows

But one thing is for sure the world would be a much better place if we all followed his teachings.

But one thing is for sure the world would be a much better place if we all followed his teachings.

So true, and yet no one does......

jesus lived that's proven and it's also proven that he wasn't crucified. After he was healed in chamber he went to India where he played major role in uniting different sects of buddhism to united mahajana buddhism.

We would not notice much difference until after we died.

if im wrong and he did actually exist
we would all be doomed as he wouldnt have died for our sins, hence we all go to hell

if im wrong and he did actually exist
we would all be doomed as he wouldnt have died for our sins, hence we all go to hell

that's a nice thing to look forward to. :x

Someone would have thought up something/someone else. And we would be fighting the same wars for different flags.

if im wrong and he did actually exist
we would all be doomed as he wouldnt have died for our sins, hence we all go to hell

that's a nice thing to look forward to. :x

lucky he was murdered hey? :twisted:

Rather ironic that we got rewarded for commiting a sin.

Pretty sure that had he never been crucified, existed, or painted himself bright orange, I would have never heard of him and I would have been deprived of one of my all time favorite pastimes: Sinning away, robbing raping stealing and knowing that in the end all I have to do is....

Nevermind that. I've just recieved word that Jesus lives. He works at the Sizzler in Amarillo, Texas and moonlights as an exotic dancer to support his three bastard children and to fund his ever growing speed addiction.

All you lovely ladies out there, GET READY! He's alive, kicking, circumcised, and ready to rock your world! Wielding Gods Own Rod, give it up for Jesus 'Swingin' Dick' Christ!

Pretty sure that had he never been crucified, existed, or painted himself bright orange, I would have never heard of him and I would have been deprived of one of my all time favorite pastimes: Sinning away, robbing raping stealing and knowing that in the end all I have to do is....

Nevermind that. I've just recieved word that Jesus lives. He works at the Sizzler in Amarillo, Texas and moonlights as an exotic dancer to support his three bastard children and to fund his ever growing speed addiction.

All you lovely ladies out there, GET READY! He's alive, kicking, circumcised, and ready to rock your world! Wielding Gods Own Rod, give it up for Jesus 'Swingin' Dick' Christ!

as TBV would say

jesus doesnt love me he just uses me for sex

the world would be exactly the same, since Jesus wasn't executed. the myth of his death and resurection is actually taken from the life story of an Egyptian god.

the world would be exactly the same, since Jesus wasn't executed. the myth of his death and resurection is actually taken from the life story of an Egyptian god.

every time you say that god smites an arab :(

the world would be exactly the same, since Jesus wasn't executed. the myth of his death and resurection is actually taken from the life story of an Egyptian god.

every time you say that god smites an arab :(

:? and they say sugar has no effect on children.

Nobody can imagine a world without Jesus beacuse the Lord our God ment for it to happen so it did.

if jesus was still alive the rightwing would just crucify him all over again

Even the Leftwing would if he proved a threat to them (im a rightwing and not all of us are complete tyrants)

Mmmm...if Jesus was never executed..weeeellll...Missionaries would never have come into the New World thereby allowing for millions of indigenous peoples to retain their cultural and tribal belief structures intact without contamination from European Christianity.

You speak as if Christianity is like a disease, it is the one true religion and (although i have tollerance for other religions) it should stay the one true religion

heres a thery jusus budda mohhamad SAME PERSON just look at the evidence :twisted:

You speak as if Christianity is like a disease, it is the one true religion and (although i have tollerance for other religions) it should stay the one true religionchristian fundies pervert the real spirit of christianity tho--Bush is a false prophet

You speak as if Christianity is like a disease, it is the one true religion and (although i have tollerance for other religions) it should stay the one true religion

It was a disease..it spread unasked for..unstopped thruout our peoples, there were over 500 tribes on the North American continent before the coming of the white man..today..fewer then 250 on the US federal rolls, of that fewer then 50 are social, political, or economic viable entities, "Christian" missionary schools out west made it their mission to eradicate any cultural aspects of tribal life and faiths.

In the east Christian missionaries were like a plague spreading out thru the Cherokee Nation..undesired, unasked for, but unable to stop them from coming onto our lands they came with their Bible and like your Satan deceived the people from their beliefs..beliefs that had existed for millenia before a Jewish carpenter ran afoul of Jewish politics and Roman Law.

You speak as if Christianity is like a disease, it is the one true religion and (although i have tollerance for other religions) it should stay the one true religion

It was a disease..it spread unasked for..unstopped thruout our peoples, there were over 500 tribes on the North American continent before the coming of the white man..today..fewer then 250 on the US federal rolls, of that fewer then 50 are social, political, or economic viable entities, "Christian" missionary schools out west made it their mission to eradicate any cultural aspects of tribal life and faiths.

In the east Christian missionaries were like a plague spreading out thru the Cherokee Nation..undesired, unasked for, but unable to stop them from coming onto our lands they came with their Bible and like your Satan deceived the people from their beliefs..beliefs that had existed for millenia before a Jewish carpenter ran afoul of Jewish politics and Roman Law.dont forget to add LIBERAL jewish carpenter who ran afoul of the laws of dusty old conservative dinosaurs of his day

At least Christian people and Chrisitan bishops/canons etc are peaceful unlike muslim clerics who tell young muslims to kill white westeners. You cant honestly tell me thats right (can you)

At least Christian people and Chrisitan bishops/canons etc are peaceful unlike muslim clerics who tell young muslims to kill white westeners. You cant honestly tell me thats right (can you)

You can hardly expect a member of a people who were systematically rounded up so like so much cattle to be moved during winter to a reservation in Oklahoma by White Christians as to what is right for a religion to do or not to do? Christian missionaries would force young male warriors to cut their hair as a shaming to them..as long hair was one aspect that a young man had become a warrior and passed his tribes' test of manhood....Forbidden to speak our native tongues lest we be punished with a cane across our hands or backsides?

At least Christian people and Chrisitan bishops/canons etc are peaceful unlike muslim clerics who tell young muslims to kill white westeners. You cant honestly tell me thats right (can you)maybe you forget the crusades and the inquistion and the witch hunts and 500 years of overall christian tyranny that was the cause of the dark ages--and even false christians like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell today who think were in a "holy war" with Islam

It is Islam who have declared a Holy War with us, not the other way round

It is Islam who have declared a Holy War with us, not the other way roundnot true--its all blowback from the sleazy oil politics of the Bush family and their connections to the royal maggots in Saudi arabia

Royal Maggots - explain?

heres a thery jusus budda mohhamad SAME PERSON just look at the evidence :twisted:

Yes, just look:

Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha), born c. 566 BCE
Joshua ben Yusuf, aka Jesus, born c. 4 BCE
Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim (Muhammad to his friends), born c. 570 CE

By golly, I think you're right. :roll:

Royal Maggots - explain?the Saudi Royal family OWNS the Bushs lock stock and barrel

All thses problems all relate back to the Americans - as i keep saying all they do is cause troble and UK ends up getting the grief for it all.

It is Islam who have declared a Holy War with us, not the other way roundnot true--its all blowback from the sleazy oil politics of the Bush family and their connections to the royal maggots in Saudi arabia

Getting off track here..let's stick to something that won't include Bush & oil shall we?

non-existent person. biblical myth. but that is just my opinion
Yawn yawn. Even if you're an none Jew/Christian/Muslim there are historical documents that refer to such a person. So even if he was a con man you will find it difficult to argue he never existed.
It's like me saying I think Richard the Lion Heart was a myth. Stories attached to him may be myth but he was a real person.

Flawed comparison. None of the documents talking about Jesus were from his historical contemporaries. Furthermore, we also need to recall what kind of methods were used by historians of the period. People like Josephus and Tacitus relied on second- and third-hand testimony to give "accurate" accounts- that's called hearsay, and it wouldn't be admissable, in, say, a court.

So, if we're to be accurate, there are historical documents that refer to STORIES being told about such a person- in other words, documents that refer to myths. This is far from being the same thing as what you were talking about.

For more detailed arguments:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.atheists.org/church/didjesusexist.html

In the east Christian missionaries were like a plague spreading out thru the Cherokee Nation..undesired, unasked for, but unable to stop them from coming onto our lands they came with their Bible and like your Satan deceived the people from their beliefs..beliefs that had existed for millenia before a Jewish carpenter ran afoul of Jewish politics and Roman Law.dont forget to add LIBERAL jewish carpenter who ran afoul of the laws of dusty old conservative dinosaurs of his day

Where do you get the idea Jesus was so liberal? It all depends on your perspective. Jesus taught Pharisic doctrine. The Pharisees were in some ways more liberal than the Priestly Saduccees, but in other ways- for instance, in matters pertaining to the Oral Law- they were quite conservative in their own right. There is evidence in the Bible that suggests that Jesus may have been even more "conservative" vis-a-vis the commandments and their implementation than his Pharisee contemporaries, particularly in his Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, where he dictates and imposes a number of superogetory laws:

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=MATT+5-7

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

"Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all

As far as what I think about the opening post's question- I don't think the world would have been very different. Maybe a few changes in proto-Christian theology, but not much aside from that.