NationStates Jolt Archive

Apparently, as we have "abandoned" our Constitution, this group is attempting to get 50,000 or more Conservative Christians to move to one state and have it secede from the Union.

My favorite line from the front page is: Matter of factly, the liberties we have lost to liberalism over the past century will be restored in one fell swoop.

http://www.christianexodus.org/

In a way, it'd be kind of nice. Let them have, say, Wyoming and then the rest of us can maybe get this country back on track and pointedly ignore them when they can't trade with either Canada or the heathen, liberal U.S. of A.

We'll want to take all the nukes and weapons out, first, though, and remove the infrastructure that we've put there. Electricity, sanitation and water supply as well as housing and an economy might be a temptation these God-fearing, freedom-loving, right-thinking "Christians" couldn't resist.

We should give them a couple hundred 10 square mile sections of land scattered across the country and see them try to run a country like that

We should give them a couple hundred 10 square mile sections of land scattered across the country and see them try to run a country like that Genuis.

We should give them a couple hundred 10 square mile sections of land scattered across the country and see them try to run a country like that Genuis.

Meh, as long as they don't try to do that with N.C.

Anyway, It probably will be pretty funny to watch them try to set up a theocracy or something...

It's not gona happen. The nation's blacks are still waitin' for the 40 acres and a mule for God's sake.

I find it kind of funny, in a way. While I am a Christian, this is a little out of line, not to mention a lot wrong.

they should go to new hampshire. and then we can see who is stronger - whacked out religious authoritarians or the free marketeers of the free state project (http://freestateproject.com/index.jsp)

is it just me, or do the religious pretty much run the u.s. anyways.

it's also funny how they say that universities churn out liberals. who would have thought that educating people would make them consider the possibility that people are equal and should deceide what they want to do rather than listen to what they're being told to by churches.

Bah. Let them try their little experiment. I don't see how 50,000 people are going to swing an entire state anyway.

:lol: This has been happening for a long time... No worries...

The idea of a religious minority settling in one particular region in order to form a society in keeping with their traditions isn't new...

The Mormons settled in Utah with that sort of gameplan, and the territory eventually became a prosperous (albeit less than densely populated) state.

When you think of the early colonists coming to America, they had the same idea. You can call them "whacked out," "dangerous," etc., but the USA had its roots in just such a program.

Worth considering...

You do realize that this can never happen... The United States government is going to invade any state that attempts to secede. As according to a precedent set from the Civil War, the idea of the Union supersedes that of the Constitution and the concept of states, therefore, no state can supersede legally from the Union.

The idea of a religious minority settling in one particular region in order to form a society in keeping with their traditions isn't new...

The Mormons settled in Utah with that sort of gameplan, and the territory eventually became a prosperous (albeit less than densely populated) state.

When you think of the early colonists coming to America, they had the same idea. You can call them "whacked out," "dangerous," etc., but the USA had its roots in just such a program.

Worth considering...

Hmm, the comparison of the founding fathers of this country with a group of fundamentalist conservative christians who are freaked out because Joe and Jim from half a country away want to tie the knot and this is somehow a direct attack on their marriage is, to say the least, interesting.

Like I said, I'd be willing to give them Wyoming, but we must return it to the condition we found it in. If they want to establish their own country, I don't see any reason why we should give them any prebuilt structures to start with.

There's a difference between the Free State project that the Libertarian party has been talking about for years now and this stuff. The Libertarians just want to basically take over a state by being elected and then use it as proof that libertarian principles work. They don't want to secede and start their own country--they just look at this as a way to show people who might think they're way off base that they've got some good points.

These guys, though, want to start their own theocracy. Oh--and they want to get rid of all the gays.

ChristianExodus.org is orchestrating the move of 50,000 or more Christians to one of three States for the express purpose of dissolving that State’s bond with the union. The three States under consideration are Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina"

Looks like they're also from "The South Will Rise Again!" group (and their emblem seems to be the 'Bonnie Blue Flag' too). After they take over South Carolina they can fire old cannons at Fort Sumter National Monument and be hit later by a "Shock & Awe" bombing campaign.

How about we just let them go and completely fail? After a few months the regular citizens of these states will storming the capitol of their theocracy with it's Nazi-like actions.

There's a difference between the Free State project that the Libertarian party has been talking about for years now and this stuff. The Libertarians just want to basically take over a state by being elected and then use it as proof that libertarian principles work. They don't want to secede and start their own country--they just look at this as a way to show people who might think they're way off base that they've got some good points.

These guys, though, want to start their own theocracy. Oh--and they want to get rid of all the gays.

i know that officially the free staters just want to influence a state in a libertarian direction. however, they do have a number of people who'd like to secede involved in the project - then again they also have at least two anarcho-communists onboard.


i just think it would be funny if each group tried to take over a different part of the same small state. different school boards battling it out for the hearts and minds of young americans. in one area the schools are all closed down or run for profit (art classes making tourist knick-knacks and such), in the other all science, history, comparative religion, etc. is verboten.

Liberals are eroding the constitution?

this group is attempting to get 50,000 or more Conservative Christians to move to one state and have it secede from the Union

F***ing Christian Conservatives giving a bad name to othe conservatives and Christians

Two things occour to me:

1st Bush isn't fundemenal enough for these guys????????? How many bones does he have to throw. It's encouraging, support seems to be eroding from all sides.

2nd There are two groups in Northern California trying to do something similar. There is the State of Jefferson folks and the more radical racist jackasses out of Eurika. Hell, every now and then California as a whole tries to split off. I'd be all for it except for these two words: Emperor Arnold. or President, or Prime Minister, or Guy in Charge....

Liberals are eroding the constitution?

Sure! Didn't you know that this nation was founded by Christians for Christians?

That no homosexuality, divorse, drug abuse, drinking, etc. existed before the 60s?

Didn't you know that the founding fathers were are arch-christians?

Didn't you know that most Christians really don't know American History! :wink:

I read an article about this nonsense earlier today. I believe their current plan is to relocate to South Carolina. I think we should let them have it.

I read an article about this nonsense earlier today. I believe their current plan is to relocate to South Carolina. I think we should let them have it.

Then maybe nuke it :lol:

or seriously, we let our christian fundies battle the islamic fundies. then all the fundies gone and we're all happy!

You people scream for equality and complain about stereotyping, then some group like this pops up and suddenly all Christians are 'whack jobs'...

You people scream for equality and complain about stereotyping, then some group like this pops up and suddenly all Christians are 'whack jobs'...
I havnt seen much here that doesnt specificly say fundementalist conservative christians

Yep we got a Yugoslavia type civil war comin'. All the ingredients are in place diverse ethnic groups who are suspicious of each other or outright hateeach other,we got guns...lots and lots of guns. Theres armed militiuas too many street gangs to count a high violent crime rate etc. etc.. Its just a matter of time all great empires die someday. :cry:

I say we give em Alabama. Can't do much more damage than already's been done......

You people scream for equality and complain about stereotyping, then some group like this pops up and suddenly all Christians are 'whack jobs'...

They aren't? :shock:

I say we give em Alabama. Can't do much more damage than already's been done......


Nahhh!

Let them go to Canada! They will take anybody! :lol:

haha crazy but hey I'm a big fan and supporter/possible member of the free state project of NEw Hampshire in the mean time I am a member of a similuar group which is a regional libertarian cause in Idaho,Montana and a few other states. Who cares what they do, these people are very much controlling fascist types treading on people

I'm a christian and nothing like these folks I see nothing wrong with the ten commandments in public or with public prayer when not forced I believe the founding fathers were/would be supportive of the christian cause and respectful and even in public life but the fact is it is not the governments place to dictate marriage etc.

i am fully against abortion but I find this can be backed up as protection of a citizen from murder and harm one of the few responsibilities government has.

I agree with these folks actually after looking over their site except in the cases of sodomy laws and gay marriage this is private non government matters right their. Other wise they got it right.

Here is a nice list of US secessionist movements (http://www.visi.com/~homelands/usa/usa.html).

Puerto Rico and the Indian Nations already have quite a bit of independance.

After those two, Hawaii and Alaska have the best chances. They are already geographically separated and having decent economies.

I understand that Vermont has one of the oldest, followed by Texas, but I may well be wrong.

California has a history of secessionist leanings as well.

The Conch Republic began as a joke, but has taken off as a tourist industry.

The South, or any part of it, is least likely to be allowed to seceed.

No, don't give them the most beutiful state in the union! Give them North Dakota. You could watch your dog run away for three days there, and it's ass ugly.

But then they'd strat trying to make wars. I dont think 50 000 people will affect how things get run very much. But they are targeting states with small populations.

Also, has there been any confirmation that this site isnt a prank?

The Conch Republic began as a joke, but has taken off as a tourist industry.

and they've gotten themselves semi-official recognition from a few countries. on a limited basis at least.

http://www.conchrepublic.com/

Extremists should leave our country, sorry to say, but I'd rather them out than in tarnishing our good country's reputation. Oh, wait, too late... it's already gone... Bush is one of those extremists. :?