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Okay...I'm as liberal as much as the next guy (who I hope happens to be liberal)

but I'm wondering...lots and lots of people say we went into Iraq for the oil.

Well, then why is my state paying an average $2.35 a gallon of gas IF WE WENT IN FOR THE OIL?!?!?!?!?! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR OIL?

We traded it for food.

no we went in for the WMDs dummy...
duh..



yeah.

Okay...I'm as liberal as much as the next guy (who I hope happens to be liberal)

but I'm wondering...lots and lots of people say we went into Iraq for the oil.

Well, then why is my state paying an average $2.35 a gallon of gas IF WE WENT IN FOR THE OIL?!?!?!?!?! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR OIL?

Diamond prices have risen by 14% in the last year despite the 75.000 casualties in the war over diamonds being fought in Sierra Leone.

Strange, isn't it? :roll:

Well - you see - it turned out that the Iraqis hid the oil next to the WMD.....

hence the problem!

You don't understand. The world is producing oil at a record rate as we speak. The Iraq war did not affect that.

Demand is at a record level, and is nudging at supply. Hence the high prices. People aren't far from the point of trying to outbid each other. The Iraq war didn't affect this either.

These things were always going to happen, and I knew about it well before the Iraq war.

The US government, however, now has a client state, albeit a troublesome one, which will pump oil regardless of OPEC negotiations. It has appropriated a major exporter. It can now set terms, rather than negotiate.

The war in Iraq was about guaranteed control of more expensive oil, rather than trying lower prices.

Hmmm... The answer to that question is simple... Many people who enlisted to go to Iraq obviously went in there for oil... They are obviously stealing our rightfully commandeered oil!

I mean why else would anyone wanna go to Iraq, besides steal oil? Obviously there ashould be a probe on whethere big military officials are or aren't stealing oil in various jars and containers and then sending them back to their families using FEDex... Thats how it gets through customs... Didn't you see that commercial? You don't have to worry about customs if you use FEDex!

It all makes perfect sense now.

You don't understand. The world is producing oil at a record rate as we speak. The Iraq war did not affect that.

Demand is at a record level, and is nudging at supply. Hence the high prices. People aren't far from the point of trying to outbid each other. The Iraq war didn't affect this either.

These things were always going to happen, and I knew about it well before the Iraq war.

The US government, however, now has a client state, albeit a troublesome one, which will pump oil regardless of OPEC negotiations. It has appropriated a major exporter. It can now set terms, rather than negotiate.

The war in Iraq was about guaranteed control of more expensive oil, rather than trying lower prices.Thats the concept that those who point to higher prices as proof that the Iraqi war wasn't about the oil fail to understand. They weren't securing the oilfields to ensure America a cheap supply of oil, they were just ensuring Big Oil a supply to sell to America.

Okay...I'm as liberal as much as the next guy (who I hope happens to be liberal)

but I'm wondering...lots and lots of people say we went into Iraq for the oil.

Well, then why is my state paying an average $2.35 a gallon of gas IF WE WENT IN FOR THE OIL?!?!?!?!?! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR OIL?

it wasnt a war for cheaper oil, it was a war for who controls that oil. i would probably kill 3 guys to get a 15% ownership in microsoft and become a billionaire, but that doesnt mean windows is going to drop in price, i wont have enough of a sway on the board. but that doesnt mean i didnt kill for microsoft stock. American oil companies got ownership of the oil, but it doesnt mean that they will neccessarily be able to make a huge impact on world oil prices.

anyway, thats my unsupported theory. but what i know is: we cant build iraqi infrastructure. because of this, we can't get oil pumps up and running. and, even if we could, the amount of oil produced in iraq is pretty insignificant percentage of the total oil in the world.

also, ive heard there's a huge crunch on refinery capacities, so that could be an answer too.

Indeed, another significant bottleneck is US refinery capacity, with low gasoline product inventories having a rebound effect on the price of the feedstock itself. Also, one of America's top 5 sources of oil, Venezuela, is still well down on previous production levels due to political instability.

*crickets chirping in Colodias corner*

*crickets chirping in Colodias corner*

*lurks*

It seems nobody finds my witticism amusing. :(

Nah it's cool...just that I lost interest in my topic all of a sudden

thanks anyways

Hmmm... The answer to that question is simple... Many people who enlisted to go to Iraq obviously went in there for oil... They are obviously stealing our rightfully commandeered oil!

I mean why else would anyone wanna go to Iraq, besides steal oil? Obviously there ashould be a probe on whethere big military officials are or aren't stealing oil in various jars and containers and then sending them back to their families using FEDex... Thats how it gets through customs... Didn't you see that commercial? You don't have to worry about customs if you use FEDex!

It all makes perfect sense now.
I believe this a lot more than the dozens of books being written by everyone and their grandmother who want to make a name for themselves by insulting Bush.

Hmmm... The answer to that question is simple... Many people who enlisted to go to Iraq obviously went in there for oil... They are obviously stealing our rightfully commandeered oil!

I mean why else would anyone wanna go to Iraq, besides steal oil? Obviously there ashould be a probe on whethere big military officials are or aren't stealing oil in various jars and containers and then sending them back to their families using FEDex... Thats how it gets through customs... Didn't you see that commercial? You don't have to worry about customs if you use FEDex!

It all makes perfect sense now.
I believe this a lot more than the dozens of books being written by everyone and their grandmother who want to make a name for themselves by insulting Bush.

Great idea! I should write a book!

Hmmm... The answer to that question is simple... Many people who enlisted to go to Iraq obviously went in there for oil... They are obviously stealing our rightfully commandeered oil!

I mean why else would anyone wanna go to Iraq, besides steal oil? Obviously there ashould be a probe on whethere big military officials are or aren't stealing oil in various jars and containers and then sending them back to their families using FEDex... Thats how it gets through customs... Didn't you see that commercial? You don't have to worry about customs if you use FEDex!

It all makes perfect sense now.
I believe this a lot more than the dozens of books being written by everyone and their grandmother who want to make a name for themselves by insulting Bush.

Great idea! I should write a book!
I'd buy it, just to mock all those idiots repeating themselves and qouting eachother.

Hmmm... The answer to that question is simple... Many people who enlisted to go to Iraq obviously went in there for oil... They are obviously stealing our rightfully commandeered oil!

I mean why else would anyone wanna go to Iraq, besides steal oil? Obviously there ashould be a probe on whethere big military officials are or aren't stealing oil in various jars and containers and then sending them back to their families using FEDex... Thats how it gets through customs... Didn't you see that commercial? You don't have to worry about customs if you use FEDex!

It all makes perfect sense now.
I believe this a lot more than the dozens of books being written by everyone and their grandmother who want to make a name for themselves by insulting Bush.

Great idea! I should write a book!
I'd buy it, just to mock all those idiots repeating themselves and qouting eachother.
I can finally write about all of my conspiracy theories.... That's bound to sell... Especially if I include buzzwords like "oil" "Bush" "liberals" "conservatives" "gay marriges" "abortion" "death penalty" "gun control" "Iraq" and "euthenasia"
....

I'll call it,

Bush's lies: conservatives are patriotic evangelical zealot rednecks, liberals are tree hugging hippies, oil prices gone up, abortion of gay marriges and gun control creates a death penalty for both Iraq and euthenasia, and other lies that those stupid lying democrats and republicans told you

It's bound to sell in the trillions.

Clearly, we went into Iraq to bathe in sweet, smooth oil over in the natural oil saunas they have over there.

And we traded blood for oil. Lots of it. About 22 pints of blood per thousand gallons of oil, last I checked in The Onion :wink:

It seems the U.S is chummy with many corporations in regards to Iraq. Yet more oil should mean lower prices. Oil is coming our of iraq. Which could mean somewhere down the line someone is Fixing the price.

If there is less oil then we realise and governments know about it, then they may be. If petrol stays high then it would discourage people from using it. Thus making reserves last longer. Theres my little conspiracy theory for the day.

Indeed, another significant bottleneck is US refinery capacity, with low gasoline product inventories having a rebound effect on the price of the feedstock itself. Also, one of America's top 5 sources of oil, Venezuela, is still well down on previous production levels due to political instability.

Right.

Producing oil is fairly cheap..all you need to do is pump it out of the ground.
To refine it into gasoline, is rather expensive, and the US only has control over so much of the refinery process.
So with Iraq in a state of unstability, the prices are going to increase as does the demand.
If you pay me to go and buy you a gallon of milk, Im going to charge you more if Im gonna get shot at along the way.
Venezuela is having problems too.

Not to mention the constant problems in the middle east wich will spill over eventually further potentially crippling Americas oil supply.
This is another reason that bush invaded, to ensure a steady supply if The escalation between Suadi Arabia and its neighbors results in open warfare.

It was always about money....dont be fooled by altruistic nonsense from washington.