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"The Swastika" is the oldest cross and emblem in the world. It forms a combination of four "L's" standing for Luck, Light, Love and Life. It has been found in ancient Rome, excavations in Grecian cities, on Buddhist idols, on Chinese coins dated 315 B.C., and our own Southwest Indians use it as an amulet.

It is claimed that the Mound Builders and Cliff Dwellers of Mexico, Central America consider "The Swastika" a charm to drive away evil and bring good luck, long life and prosperity to the possessor.

So is the Swastika really all that bad.

Its association with the Nazis ruins it.

You can thank the dam nazi i hope they all burn in hell :twisted:

The Nazi's used the emblem since 1927 and have used it wrongly. They destroyed all possibility of it being anything good and have molested it until it cannot be more of a picture of pure evil.

I find the idea that a Symbol is 'guilty' of deeds done in the past by a group that used it as a Sign quite an absurd thought.

But on the otherhand, the survivors of that time have a solid reason to be disturbed by the sight of that Symbol.

The excuse of the swastika being a combination of 4 L's is ridiculous, as You might know, ot otherwise should realise from now on, the romans, nor the greeks and germans speak English, but instead languages as Latin, (old) Greek and German, in which languages the mentioned words do not all start with an L (the Greek doesn't even recognize the character l, but has a different character, the Lambda )

The swastika is an eastern symbol originally (running in the opposite direction) used in the hidustanic culture and also known in Japan;
It is unclear if it really was used in older Keltic and Germanic Runes (some proof for that is most likely forged by nazi-wissenschaftler)

@ Fourth Reich SS: your nation's name clearly indicates that you don't understand the swastika meaning yourself, stupid idiot. :roll:

The swastika is forever onwards tainted by it use by the Nazis.
It now only ever serves as a reminder of a brutal and barbaric racist state, and is therfore illegal to display in many nations, including Germany.

I have a reverse swastika on the back of my jacket. Funny how it pisses off everyone.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

and I have more to add to this:

If you look at some of the early American Western movies close, you'll see Swastikas painted on Indian teepees. Before the Nazis even came to power, the Finnish air force used the Swastika as a national marking on their aircraft.

There is an old Jesuit Church in England (Preston or Blackburn iirc), it predates the Nazis by a long time.

It has Sanskrit swastikas all around the perimeter next to the roof. Not really good PR, even though it is unrelated to the Third Reich.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

and I have more to add to this:

If you look at some of the early American Western movies close, you'll see Swastikas painted on Indian teepees. Before the Nazis even came to power, the Finnish air force used the Swastika as a national marking on their aircraft.
Who gives a bibble? It will still be associated with the Nazis.

Hey you bastard of a 4th reader the natzis took it from religon. My faith so screw your assssss Fucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted: Don't be superised when i kick your AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS**********

Hey you bastard of a 4th reader the natzis took it from religon. My faith so screw your assssss Fucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted: Don't be superised when i kick your AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS**********

True, im just wanted to post because I was a bit bored, but it gave ya something to think about.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

and I have more to add to this:

If you look at some of the early American Western movies close, you'll see Swastikas painted on Indian teepees. Before the Nazis even came to power, the Finnish air force used the Swastika as a national marking on their aircraft.

In a biography I read on Hitler, he saw it on a piece of armour from the "Thule League" when he was young. I'll try and dig out the biography, God knows where it is at the moment.

Its association with the Nazis ruins it.
Yes. In Sanskrit, "swastika" supposedly means 'well-being'. yet the nazis ruined it, like you just said


You can thank the dam nazi i hope they all burn in hell
Hear Hear!

I don't really understand why people want to use the swastika so much. Its already become a racist symbol because of Hitler, so we can't use it. If you want to use a nazi symbol on your flag, I think that you can still use the nazi cross. If it was a part of your religion, well, even if it is a reversed one, it is so easily mistaken (I can't really tell the difference myself) that you can't use. There are other symbols, use them.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

and I have more to add to this:

If you look at some of the early American Western movies close, you'll see Swastikas painted on Indian teepees. Before the Nazis even came to power, the Finnish air force used the Swastika as a national marking on their aircraft.
See above.

The symbol (really, the obverse of it) was also a native american symbol for the sun - which is why it (the obverse) appears in some early westerns. The swastika used to have a number of good meanings. The nazis adpopted is because it had positive symbolism. About the only thing they were any good at was propaganda. The postive symoblism it had was destroyed when it was put to use by one of the, if not the, most heinous groups ever to crawl out from under their dank little rocks and befoul the earth with their presence.

The name you selected for your nation (not fourth reich - but the "SS" part) shows that you are either:

ignorant of what the SS did, which is excusable until you find out
- or -
that you know what the SS did, and are some sort of neo-nazi trying to make the poor little swastika "innocent" so it can once again be abused and mis-used.

This is not part of whatever little discussion you may be trying to run. The fact that use of a swastika or "SS" is odious and to be avoided by any rational sane human beings needed to be stated, in case you or anyone reading this thread was truly unaware of it. Further discussion is nothing but a waste of time and not merited.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

Adolf Hitler - if you had actually read your Mein Kampf like a good little Nazi, you would have known the answer to that one.

Hitler used it becuase all his ideals included those, unfortunately he tried to accomplish them by the deaths of millions.

I use SS as a reguler SS soldier like fighting in Russia, not as a blonde haired mindless fool that thinks he is big cause he has the gun and the jews don't.

I like SS as fighters, but if I could I would change my name to Fourth Reich Heer or something less offense.

I assume that the indistinct writing in the lower right hand corner just to the side of the swastika says "over", and not "oven"...

Yes it has stuff on the back it, not sure what tho.

IIRC, he was also seeking a counter to the hammer and sickle. In its' original form, the Swastika (which was again iirc a Hindi symbol signifying blessing/good fortune) was in the reverse direction to how most people are familiar with it today as seen here: http://thormay.net/photos/korea/bansong/swastika.jpg
It's sad that the symbol was so perverted by the Nazis. Then again, there's not much can be done about it now.

When I was much younger I was pretty ignorant of the history of the Swastika (I'm talking about when I was about 10 years old), and I always thought it was kind of funny seeing the swastika on the spines of my dad's collection of Kipling books which were published before the Nazis adopted the symbol:

http://www.kipling.org.uk/pix/kipswas2.jpg

http://www.kipling.org.uk/pix/kimswas1.jpg

With regards to the comments about "the Nazis having it now, so there being nothing that can be done", I've been to Buddhist houses/places, with mats and tapestries which STILL bear it in some form or other. They're happy enough to continue to use it as a symbol of goodliness and universal happiness - regardless of what the Nazis tried to use it for - because they had it before the nazis did, and it still means those things to them.
True, holocaust survivors and other groups will be offended by it, however I'm sure that this history of the swastika can be explained to them, too.

As for the Nazis themselves, when it comes to damning them to hell, I second that motion, too.

I use SS as a reguler SS soldier like fighting in Russia, not as a blonde haired mindless fool that thinks he is big cause he has the gun and the jews don't.

I like SS as fighters, but if I could I would change my name to Fourth Reich Heer or something less offense.

True...the SS did have combat divisions within it's organization...but not for one minute think that any member of the SS didn't display Hitler's Aryan Race mentality...no one be it some high level admininistrative officer or lowly private within a tank crew who took the vow and received his knife didn't think the Nazi Way was the only true path any true German should have followed.

I cant stand it when bikers wear the swarzschtiker to look tough.

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

Thankfully not, so far at least: we seem to be having quite a non-partisan discussion.

Thankfully not, so far at least: we seem to be having quite a non-partisan discussion.

Ah, that's good. I just read the first post and it seemed to be saying that statement that I wrote.

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

I think so.

But I think that he would have more luck if he was called "Bhagvada Gita" (sp?)

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

I think so.

But I think that he would have more luck if he was called "Bhagvada Gita" (sp?)

Ah....conflicting statements! :?

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

I think so.

But I think that he would have more luck if he was called "Bhagvada Gita" (sp?)

Ah....conflicting statements! :?

Well, actually you - CE - were the first to mention the fact that the Swastika (as any fule knoes) is banned from national flags here. Prior to that there was no discussion about the swastika which directly related to this site and its policies.

Having said that....

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3202469#3202469

Well, actually you - CE - were the first to mention the fact that the Swastika (as any fule knoes) is banned from national flags here. Prior to that there was no discussion about the swastika which directly related to this site and its polices.

Well, I'll shut up and leave.

Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

I think so.

But I think that he would have more luck if he was called "Bhagvada Gita" (sp?)

Ah....conflicting statements! :?

:?:

:?

Read, bodies without organs post.

It's funny that the word swastika is from Sanskrit and means it-is-good.

su-asti-kah
good-is.3rdperson-singular.noun.female.gender

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I like big butts!

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Is this another - 'why have the mods banned the swastika? It's Hindu, you know....'? :roll:

No its not, I just wanted to have some conversation.

Plus wouldn't I have put "Why is the swastika banned"

Plus wouldn't I have put "Why is the swastika banned"

I don't know. You might not have.

I have a question then, who brought the swastika into the Nazi party then?

That was defentily Hitler...I know you have already said it was but I would like to point out that he saw the swastika on top of a church a short distance from where he was going to school. Its amazing how one man can turn the symbol of luck into a symbol of hate.

It saddens me when I go to my school and am faced with pictures of the swastika drawn on the restroom walls. The sad thing for me is that it is they are drawn in female bathrooms. I always wonder is it because people can still truly hate so much that they are willing to deface public property to voice their opinion? Do they really have it out for all the ethnic groups that hitler wanted to eliminated from "his" Germany? Or do they truly not know what this symbol really means?

We also have to keep in mind, that not all of Germany was hip to Hitler... some didn't belive in his mumble jumble at all. So when people refer to hitler and germany I think its wise not to say Germany but Nazi- Germany. Another intresting fact is that even some of Hitlers own soldiers were against his belives and tried to do him in. Any one here heard of Von Straffenberg? That man was a true hero.(though I don't know too much about his personal lfe.) He tired to assasinate Hitler with two bombs planted in his suitcase. It's an excellent story of one man facing off against the most powerful influnce in Germany at that time.

I'll just take this opportunity to post another strange picture including (non-Nazi) swastikas:


Plenty of similarly strange looking (to our post-WWII eyes) pictures are available on this site:

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There was a swastika laundry in Dudlin that didn't close until the 1970s, it had a swastika on the side of the building.

It saddens me when I go to my school and am faced with pictures of the swastika drawn on the restroom walls. The sad thing for me is that it is they are drawn in female bathrooms. I always wonder is it because people can still truly hate so much that they are willing to deface public property to voice their opinion? Do they really have it out for all the ethnic groups that hitler wanted to eliminated from "his" Germany? Or do they truly not know what this symbol really means?


Ya I know what ya mean, thats why I try not to act like I know everything, because only if I was fighting in WWII on the German side, then I could judge for what they are, but all I can do now is live on opinions and others of what Nazi's are.

It saddens me when I go to my school and am faced with pictures of the swastika drawn on the restroom walls. The sad thing for me is that it is they are drawn in female bathrooms. I always wonder is it because people can still truly hate so much that they are willing to deface public property to voice their opinion? Do they really have it out for all the ethnic groups that hitler wanted to eliminated from "his" Germany? Or do they truly not know what this symbol really means?


Ya I know what ya mean, thats why I try not to act like I know everything, because only if I was fighting in WWII on the German side, then I could judge for what they are, but all I can do now is live on opinions and others of what Nazi's are.

There's a good deal of fact related to what German Nazis were. You could argue that their intentions were good, but misguided, but you could not argue, within the framework of any modern morality than their actions were good, or even neutral (I discount Nihilism and similar philosohpies when I speak on morality). The majority of Nazis didn't even agree with what their government was doing, but were too afraid to speak or act against it. Nearly every former Nazi soldier said the same thing to war tibunals, "I was just following orders." The mob mentality, and the immense power Hitler held allowed him to manipulate an entire country against their will to commit atrocities beyond the wildest imaginings of anyone previously.

I see someone did not like my picture, evil mods :!: :evil:

I see someone did not like my picture, evil mods :!: :evil:

There is a strict ban on the use of Swastikas for any purpose on this site.

O, I didnt know that.

Sorry.

This is off the point of the topic but I found this picture searching for some stuff.

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/bush-salute.jpg

But is that who you want for America? LOL

I see someone did not like my picture, evil mods :!: :evil:

There is a strict ban on the use of Swastikas for any purpose on this site.

There appears to have been a change in policy then: as I recall it only flags were not allowed to carry swastikas. The swastikas I posted in this thread have not been removed (yet)...

While the origins of the Swastika may be an interesting historical note, it is hard to argue that it became a symbol with a very diferent meaning for most people by the Nazi's.

It might be nice to be able to erase that, but symbols are hard to let exist in a context-free environment. If one sees one spray-painted on a wall there is an automatic association as to what the meaning was intended to be.

Perhaps someday it will creep back into the popular lexicon with a meaning more appropriate to it's origins - but I don't think that will happen in our lifetimes.

But then again, it's not like the word "gay" is ever going to be used regularly with it's original meaning for a long time either.

-Z-

While the origins of the Swastika may be an interesting historical note, it is hard to argue that it became a symbol with a very diferent meaning for most people by the Nazi's.

It might be nice to be able to erase that, but symbols are hard to let exist in a context-free environment. If one sees one spray-painted on a wall there is an automatic association as to what the meaning was intended to be.

Perhaps someday it will creep back into the popular lexicon with a meaning more appropriate to it's origins - but I don't think that will happen in our lifetimes.

But then again, it's not like the word "gay" is ever going to be used regularly with it's original meaning for a long time either.

-Z-

A very good point.

we just use other symbols to represent our glorious aryan cause


http://www.gay.ru/science/history/images/nazi14.jpg

Whoa man................Must get rid of....of...evilll

we just use other symbols to represent our glorious aryan cause


http://www.gay.ru/science/history/images/nazi14.jpg

Tom O'Finland, no?

we just use other symbols to represent our glorious aryan cause


http://www.gay.ru/science/history/images/nazi14.jpg

The biker from the Village People is the new symbol?

:wink:

another powerful image of national socalist brotherhood

http://hometown.aol.com/northeastleather/images/ilsb%20logo.jpg

No this must be the new symbol

sorry [img] didnt work :evil:

HA!! Serves you right!! Good show Zeppistan good show!! :P

Did not work again, can I not put [img] now?

another powerful image of national socalist brotherhood

http://hometown.aol.com/northeastleather/images/ilsb%20logo.jpg


The biker from the village people and his boyfriend? the little heart is a kinda cute touch...

:wink:

sorry, I'm not trying to flamebait... but I find these sorts of images to be just so ... hokey.

-Z-

well google turned up no images for nazi leatherboy, so i have to take what i can get.

The symbol is multicultural, but the etymology ogf the word is from Sanskrit. The Facist abuse is an abomination.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page042.htm

According to Brown and Apte:

The word "svastika" (svastikamu) has originated from the Sanskrit word "Svasti". In Sanskrit "svasti" means "excellent", "May God attend You!", "So be it!", "Amen", and "Welfare".

Telugu meanings for "Svasti" are : kshEmamu, puNyamu, mamgaLamu, SuBamu. The words like "svasti yagu ga'ka", "svastitEdanujaparENya", "svastisyastuguNOstu", "svastiva'canamu" (a blessing or benediction or any benedictory speech), "svasti ceppu" (to wish well) and proverbs like "ra'Gava'svasti ra'vaNa'svasti" (bless them both and keep them neutral) have originated from the original Sanskrit word "Svasti".

Another Sanskrit word "Svastikamu" means any lucky or auspicious object (mamgaLa vastuvu) e.g. a building or palace facing east. The other popular meaning of "svastikamu" or "svastika" is "the meeting or 4 roads" (cadukamu).

True, holocaust survivors and other groups will be offended by it, however I'm sure that this history of the swastika can be explained to them, too.

When the majority of the world sees a swastika, they're not going to think of tantric buddhist/hindu culture. They will think of the Nazi party.

Ive always preferred the voortrekker or the wolfs hook, but the swastika is nice as well.

True, holocaust survivors and other groups will be offended by it, however I'm sure that this history of the swastika can be explained to them, too.

When the majority of the world sees a swastika, they're not going to think of tantric buddhist/hindu culture. They will think of the Nazi party.

Mmmm, not so sure about that. The Svastika is still quite comon in Asia, and quite a few people live here. A lot would depend on the presentation. For example, here in Japan a Svastika on a map is a symbol of a tample. But a clearly Nazi symbol - black on white and red, with ss lightning bolts, might raise some eyebrows.
Then again not. I remember having to hustle an aquantance out of a bar once for his SS t-shirt with svastika. He had no clue, until we were well outside, why I might not want to be seen with him wearing that, when 6 of my tough as hell, just out of the IDF Israeli aquantances walked in the bar ...

You can thank the dam nazi i hope they all burn in hell :twisted:

Actually, all the facts he said were true. Nazis just ruined it, by associating it with their cause.

True, holocaust survivors and other groups will be offended by it, however I'm sure that this history of the swastika can be explained to them, too.

When the majority of the world sees a swastika, they're not going to think of tantric buddhist/hindu culture. They will think of the Nazi party.

Exactly. The Nazis ruined it all.

another powerful image of national socalist brotherhood

http://hometown.aol.com/northeastleather/images/ilsb%20logo.jpg


The biker from the village people and his boyfriend? the little heart is a kinda cute touch...

:wink:

sorry, I'm not trying to flamebait... but I find these sorts of images to be just so ... hokey.

-Z-

Heh...village people...

It saddens me when I go to my school and am faced with pictures of the swastika drawn on the restroom walls. The sad thing for me is that it is they are drawn in female bathrooms. I always wonder is it because people can still truly hate so much that they are willing to deface public property to voice their opinion? Do they really have it out for all the ethnic groups that hitler wanted to eliminated from "his" Germany? Or do they truly not know what this symbol really means?


Ya I know what ya mean, thats why I try not to act like I know everything, because only if I was fighting in WWII on the German side, then I could judge for what they are, but all I can do now is live on opinions and others of what Nazi's are.

" if I was fighting in WWII on the German side" seems to be a recurring theme in your posts.
IMHO it is a pretty sick fantasy.

Well the word "Holocaust" used to be decribing the destruction of something. Guess what? After the Holocaust event, it gained a whole new description among the world!

So is that saying that the term "Holocaust" doesn't mean the persecution and death of millions of Jews?

Nononono! The world changes, and so must you!

Well the word "Holocaust" used to be decribing the destruction of something. Guess what? After the Holocaust event, it gained a whole new description among the world!

So is that saying that the term "Holocaust" doesn't mean the persecution and death of millions of Jews?

Nononono! The world changes, and so must you!

Well, you are talking about "the Holocaust" (definite article, capital letter), which is distinct from "a holocaust" (indefinite article, no capital letter) and are two very different things.

Well the Finnish army used a blue swastika in WW2... That doesn't mean that a bunch of xenophobes spraypainting swastikas on walls are trying to represent the Finnish army.

Well the word "Holocaust" used to be decribing the destruction of something. Guess what? After the Holocaust event, it gained a whole new description among the world!

So is that saying that the term "Holocaust" doesn't mean the persecution and death of millions of Jews?

Nononono! The world changes, and so must you!

Well, you are talking about "the Holocaust" (definite article, capital letter), which is distinct from "a holocaust" (indefinite article, no capital letter) and are two very different things.

Thank you

It was an example


That's been tossed out and burned.

Here are some examples of how the swastika was used before the 1940's...It all seems kind of surreal today, in light of what happened later.
It was a popular good-luck charm.

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/files/swasticross_goodluck.jpg

But this one from 1925 is definetly my favorite:

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/files/swasticross_coke.gif

The Coca-Cola one is excellent.

The Coca-Cola one is excellent.

http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/edmontonswastikas.jpg

Meet the "Edmonton Swastikas". A canadian women's hockey team (1916)

The events of ww2 changed the swastika's meaning..its pagan symboligy is gone, scarred by its use by facist buttholes.
Furthermore, believing its "cool" or even "not so bad" is to buy into the brainwashing by these sicko organizations who breed nothing but malcontent and hate.

What really bothers me, is the people who try to associate it with any other meaning.....thereby trying to lessen its bloody murderous past.


You know who you are.

The events of ww2 changed the swastika's meaning..its pagan symboligy is gone, scarred by its use by facist buttholes.
Furthermore, believing its "cool" or even "not so bad" is to buy into the brainwashing by these sicko organizations who breed nothing but malcontent and hate.

What really bothers me, is the people who try to associate it with any other meaning.....thereby trying to lessen its bloody murderous past.


You know who you are.

It's true... To most of us the swastika represents nazi Germany and I don't think that will ever change.

And I really hate the way those bastards use nordic mythology and culture for their xenophobic, racist "cause".
But that doesn't mean that I should give up on my own past, should it?

The events of ww2 changed the swastika's meaning..its pagan symboligy is gone, scarred by its use by facist buttholes.
Furthermore, believing its "cool" or even "not so bad" is to buy into the brainwashing by these sicko organizations who breed nothing but malcontent and hate.

What really bothers me, is the people who try to associate it with any other meaning.....thereby trying to lessen its bloody murderous past.


You know who you are.

It's true... To most of us the swastika represents nazi Germany and I don't think that will ever change.

And I really hate the way those bastards use nordic mythology and culture for their xenophobic, racist "cause".
But that doesn't mean that I should give up on my own past, should it?

No, you shouldnt.
But neither should you defend a symbol that is associated with the death of millions.
Tough to do, I know.
But murder is murder...and nothing makes that right.

I use SS as a reguler SS soldier like fighting in Russia, not as a blonde haired mindless fool that thinks he is big cause he has the gun and the jews don't.

I like SS as fighters, but if I could I would change my name to Fourth Reich Heer or something less offense.

True...the SS did have combat divisions within it's organization...but not for one minute think that any member of the SS didn't display Hitler's Aryan Race mentality...no one be it some high level admininistrative officer or lowly private within a tank crew who took the vow and received his knife didn't think the Nazi Way was the only true path any true German should have followed.

Actually your wrong the werhmacht or however you spell was fighting for pride of its country. However the SS were just the evil :twisted: minions of hitler.

The events of ww2 changed the swastika's meaning..its pagan symboligy is gone, scarred by its use by facist buttholes.
Furthermore, believing its "cool" or even "not so bad" is to buy into the brainwashing by these sicko organizations who breed nothing but malcontent and hate.

What really bothers me, is the people who try to associate it with any other meaning.....thereby trying to lessen its bloody murderous past.


You know who you are.

It's true... To most of us the swastika represents nazi Germany and I don't think that will ever change.

And I really hate the way those bastards use nordic mythology and culture for their xenophobic, racist "cause".
But that doesn't mean that I should give up on my own past, should it?

No, you shouldnt.
But neither should you defend a symbol that is associated with the death of millions.
Tough to do, I know.
But murder is murder...and nothing makes that right.

A bunch of symbols are associated with the death of millions...
An example of this misunderstanding is that alot of people in here get runic tattoos and when they go abroad people often mistake them for nazi symbols because european and american extreme nationalists and skinheads use runes alot. Especially the famous ones, such as "The Helm of Aegir and the Othala rune.
Being an Icelander and being raised a heathen, I come across this problem alot. And it makes me angry... But I won't let a bunch of idiots get me to deny my culture or background.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-10797/bjork/tattoo.jpg
This is Björks runic tattoo... The Helm of Aegir, a sign of protection... It could easily be mistaken for nazi writing...

http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/Pics/NNordic.gif
The "Othala" rune, used so much by skinheads that it will probably never be associated with anything else...

Yah,
I recognize those.

Ive seen skinheads wear them.
A perfect example of what you mean.

I use SS as a reguler SS soldier like fighting in Russia, not as a blonde haired mindless fool that thinks he is big cause he has the gun and the jews don't.

I like SS as fighters, but if I could I would change my name to Fourth Reich Heer or something less offense.

True...the SS did have combat divisions within it's organization...but not for one minute think that any member of the SS didn't display Hitler's Aryan Race mentality...no one be it some high level admininistrative officer or lowly private within a tank crew who took the vow and received his knife didn't think the Nazi Way was the only true path any true German should have followed.

the term you are looking for then is "Wehrmacht" not "SS"

Hey you bastard of a 4th reader the natzis took it from religon. My faith so screw your assssss f---!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted: Don't be superised when i kick your AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS**********

"My faith"? You kick "aaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssss**********" and you'll end up reincarnated as algae.

Oh, wait. That would be a step up. :lol: :lol:

personally, i like the swastika. besides its nazi implications, i really do enjoy seeing it on temples here. its quite a beautiful symbol.

we just use other symbols to represent our glorious aryan cause


http://www.gay.ru/science/history/images/nazi14.jpg

Tom O'Finland, no?

Tom of Finland yes...As already mentioned Finland's air force used swastikas long before nazis, but did you know Finland was fighting on Germany's side until the very end of the war when they were fighting against them in the Lapland.