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Apology

Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 00:35
I just wanted to officially apologize for stating that I think the Darwin Awards are funny.

Apparently, laughing at the stupid ways stupid people die is offensive to some, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

For those who don't know: http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do not think death is funny. It is never funny, it is never cool. Though, personally, I do think the events leading up to one's death can be quite amusing... but maybe I'm just sick in the head?

I'm sorry for laughing when I hear about a guy dying from a home liposuction and stuff like that.
Cuneo Island
22-05-2004, 00:36
Good to know you came to your senses.
Lapse
22-05-2004, 00:39
that bitch who writes the darwin awards (yes its a female) must be such a fucking <insert really insulting word here, i cant thing of one that is good enough>
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 00:39
Perhaps Mormons are not like mainstream Christians.

Mainstream Christians generally believe in helping another at a time of misfortune, not regarding it as a source of amusement.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 00:41
Perhaps Mormons are not like mainstream Christians.

Mainstream Christians generally believe in helping another at a time of misfortune, not regarding it as a source of amusement.Shut up, will you? Quit blaming the mormon church for everything I do you little troll.
GNU-Linux
22-05-2004, 00:45
Hey, the Darwin Award are funny.


Dear Sirs / Friends,

I'm Italian, but I spent a few years working in Brazil. I remember well an event that happened last year in Sao Paulo. We all laughed really a lot. It was almost a Warner Bros. cartoon death.


A car full of gangsters was being pursued by a police car, and soon both began to fire at each other. Suddenly, one of the gangsters had the bright idea to throw a grenade against the

police car. He pulled the pin and in the heat of the chase, he threw the pin out of the car instead of the grenade. The policemen saw the man doing this! The hand grenade exploded in the gangster's car, killing him instantly and wounding the other bandits.

I can clearly remember the laughter of the citizens, policemen, and the television anchormen.


I hope this helps on your researches into the human... "strange interpretation of life and dead."
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 00:47
Perhaps Mormons are not like mainstream Christians.

Mainstream Christians generally believe in helping another at a time of misfortune, not regarding it as a source of amusement.Shut up, will you? Quit blaming the mormon church for everything I do you little troll.

It is you who simultaneously push the Mormon Church and your own warped sense of morality.

I leave it to you to find some way to reconcile the two.
Letila
22-05-2004, 00:56
How can people be that dumb?

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Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpg
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 00:58
How can people be that dumb?

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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpgWhat, to die firing celebratory blasts from AK-47s in front of itchy-trigger coalition troops? Or thinking that's funny?
Dempublicents
22-05-2004, 00:59
I'm sorry, if I did something idiotic like use a bullet to complete a circuit in my truck so that it would start and the bullet happened to heat up and shoot and kill me - I would find a way from the afterlife to nominate myself for a Darwin award because it would be damn funny.

People find humor in strange and convoluted things, even if they harm others. Watch any episode of America's Funniest Home Videos.
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 01:02
How can people be that dumb?

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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpgWhat, to die firing celebratory blasts from AK-47s in front of itchy-trigger coalition troops? Or thinking that's funny?

Or being so dumb that you open fire before checking that you have a valid target.

Or being so dumb that you blame the victims for it.

Or find it at all amusing.
Colodia
22-05-2004, 01:04
How can people be that dumb?

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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpgWhat, to die firing celebratory blasts from AK-47s in front of itchy-trigger coalition troops? Or thinking that's funny?

Or being so dumb that you open fire before checking that you have a valid target.

Or being so dumb that you blame the victims for it.

Or find it at all amusing.


The only dumb ones are those that tune out the fact that the "wedding members" were in fact, fighters. And those who draw conclusions OH SO fast
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 01:23
How can people be that dumb?

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"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matthew 19:24
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpgWhat, to die firing celebratory blasts from AK-47s in front of itchy-trigger coalition troops? Or thinking that's funny?

Or being so dumb that you open fire before checking that you have a valid target.

Or being so dumb that you blame the victims for it.

Or find it at all amusing.


The only dumb ones are those that tune out the fact that the "wedding members" were in fact, fighters. And those who draw conclusions OH SO fast

If you read the original post, you will find that I said it was too early to determine the truth in the light of conflicting reports.

I raised the "check valid target" to complete the possible scenarios, as this alternative had been ignored in the post I responded to. And this by the poster who rushed to find amusement from the incident.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 01:31
s-g: if you read my original post, on the original thread, you will note that I was merely going off the iraqi account, shortly after the news broke. The account I heard was simply that they were having a party at 3am, and the coalition bombed them when they started firing celebratory AK-47 shots into the air.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:09
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:13
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.oh, so just because it's during war, it's not eligible for a darwin award *roll*
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 02:17
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.oh, so just because it's furing war, it's not eligible for a darwin award *roll*

You still don't get it do you.
Laughing at people dying is sick.
And IMHO, certainly would not be regarded as Christian.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:20
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.oh, so just because it's during war, it's not eligible for a darwin award *roll*

You still don't get it do you.
Laughing at people dying is sick.
And IMHO, certainly would not be regarded as Christian.*points*I'm sorry, if I did something idiotic like use a bullet to complete a circuit in my truck so that it would start and the bullet happened to heat up and shoot and kill me - I would find a way from the afterlife to nominate myself for a Darwin award because it would be damn funny.

People find humor in strange and convoluted things, even if they harm others. Watch any episode of America's Funniest Home Videos.I would have to agree
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:23
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.
oh, so just because it's furing war, it's not eligible for a darwin award *roll*
You are still laughing at a tragedy which isn't funny. Now you have created a whole new thread to be an apologist for your monumentally insensitive comments. I have at least made an attempt to debate you on your stance, try to convince you that this isn't something one should laugh about, but no, apparently you think differently. I am not sure how else to put it, but it just isn't cool.

Next time several dozen people in the midwest die in a tornado, are you going to laugh at them for being stupid enough to build houses there? Next time people die in an earthquake in California or Japan, are you going to laugh at them? OMG, imagine that, living in an earthquake zone.

Are you just trolling now for the sake of trolling?
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:26
Still doesn't make it OK, Raysia. You laughed at people dying in one of the f*cked up situations you get in wars. Doesn't make you look good.
oh, so just because it's furing war, it's not eligible for a darwin award *roll*
You are still laughing at a tragedy which isn't funny. Now you have created a whole new thread to be an apologist for your monumentally insensitive comments. I have at least made an attempt to debate you on your stance, try to convince you that this isn't something one should laugh about, but no, apparently you think differently. I am not sure how else to put it, but it just isn't cool.

Next time several dozen people in the midwest die in a tornado, are you going to laugh at them for being stupid enough to build houses there? Next time people die in an earthquake in California or Japan, are you going to laugh at them? OMG, imagine that, living in an earthquake zone.

Are you just trolling now for the sake of trolling?wow... ok... you really miss the whole point of the darwin awards.

But ok, I guess there is something that an be considered to be sick about it.

All deaths are tragedies. like I said, dying is not cool or funny. but the circumstances can be funny. If you don't think the same way, that's fine.

I also find America's Funniest Home Videos to be funny... they don't die, but they get seriously injured sometimes.... does that make me sick and twisted as well?
SuperHappyFun
22-05-2004, 02:30
I also find America's Funniest Home Videos to be funny... they don't die, but they get seriously injured sometimes.... does that make me sick and twisted as well?

Well, I think one relevant difference is that these people usually send the videos in themselves, or at least give consent. Oh, and getting injured isn't in the same league as dying.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:31
I am fully aware what the Darwin Awards are. There are however boundaries of good taste to be observed when nominating people for them. Some situations are not amusing. Everyone has said as much, and yet your idea of humour appears to lie beyond that boundary.
GNU-Linux
22-05-2004, 02:32
OK, there something that has not been taken into consideration: Regardless of whether is was tragic and/or sick to make fun of, it is not funny, nor suitable for the Darwin Awards.

1) Not funny regardless of whether they "deserved it"

2) Darwin awards are about people who kill themselves
Ravea
22-05-2004, 02:34
Hell, i think the darwin awards are HALARIOUS! We all die, dont we? Im going to try to kick the bucket in either the funniest or the strangest way i can.

And GNU-Linux: The darwin awards are not about people who kill themselves; they are about people who die in a stupid way when they just didnt know better.
GNU-Linux
22-05-2004, 02:34
Example:

Someone attaches aeroplane's solid-fuel booster rocket to their car and flies into a cliff because of it - Darwin Award

A bunch of people at a wedding get mistaken for attackers and shot by a helicopter - Not Darwin
GNU-Linux
22-05-2004, 02:35
Hell, i think the darwin awards are HALARIOUS! We all die, dont we? Im going to try to kick the bucket in either the funniest or the strangest way i can.

And GNU-Linux: The darwin awards are not about people who kill themselves; they are about people who die in a stupid way when they just didnt know better.

I know, but the death is still their own fault. They kill themselves, just not deliberately.

[edit] The Darwin Awards are for people who should have known better, or had the capacity to make a sensible judgement

e.g. the mentally handicapped, and children cannot be awarded.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:37
I am fully aware what the Darwin Awards are. There are however boundaries of good taste to be observed when nominating people for them. Some situations are not amusing. Everyone has said as much, and yet your idea of humour appears to lie beyond that boundary.uhh... so you admit it, there are SOME darwin awards that are funny.

Well I think that the story they tell of these guys firing Ak-47s in celebration of a wedding, near itchy-trigger coalition troops, is just stupid.

That was when I first heard the story.

Now that we have a better idea of what really happened, of course they aren't up for the award.

The award only applied to their story, which just struck me as funny when i first heard it.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:38
OK, there something that has not been taken into consideration: Regardless of whether is was tragic and/or sick to make fun of, it is not funny, nor suitable for the Darwin Awards.

1) Not funny regardless of whether they "deserved it"

2) Darwin awards are about people who kill themselvesthat's what I'm saying. The story the award applied to was in my view "Coalition-Assisted Suicide." So, it counts.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:40
So, perhaps then you were presumptuous and acting in poor taste when you decided to nominate the victims of a massacre for a death by stupidity award?
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:42
So, perhaps then you were presumptuous and acting in poor taste when you decided to nominate the victims of a massacre for a death by stupidity award?Yes, I stated that at the beginning of the original post... and I restated that again and again and again... but you always seemed to skim over it.

Again, I say: Based on the story the Iraqi "witnesses" originally gave, these guys are eligible.

And of course, now that we know more, they are no longer eligible.

Sheesh.
Spherical objects
22-05-2004, 02:47
I am fully aware what the Darwin Awards are. There are however boundaries of good taste to be observed when nominating people for them. Some situations are not amusing. Everyone has said as much, and yet your idea of humour appears to lie beyond that boundary.uhh... so you admit it, there are SOME darwin awards that are funny.

Well I think that the story they tell of these guys firing Ak-47s in celebration of a wedding, near itchy-trigger coalition troops, is just stupid.

That was when I first heard the story.

Now that we have a better idea of what really happened, of course they aren't up for the award.

The award only applied to their story, which just struck me as funny when i first heard it.

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Look, you've repeated the word 'funny' umpteen times, so you personally must find gruesome death amusing. The intention of the Darwin Awards is supposed to be to point up the irony of the situation, and that is valid. I could read it and marvel at the lack of judgement, the sheer bad luck and the blatent idiocy of some people. I would see the irony. I wouldn't find it funny. A serious note: I do not want to 'put you down' as a stupid kid. I am not sexist, racist........right through to ageist. But I believe you are probably quite young and maybe fail to realise the irony and have had too little experience of life to understand the humanity involved.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:50
I agree with SO here. One of the defining characteristics of maturity is the ability to reserve judgement. Upon hearing of a large number of civilian deaths, irrespective of circumstances, one's first impression should never be 'OMG how funny is that?' If it is, one has failed to exercise good judgement. And those who spend two days sharing the joke with people and then attempt to justify their insensitivity . . .
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 02:52
I guess you've been "caned" enough.

I would, however, like to say that IMHO you regained a lot of respect by posting an apology.
Eridanus
22-05-2004, 02:53
Darwin Awards are kinda funny sometimes...I think it's a bit like eugenics. The whole purifying the gene pool thing and all. So yeah, I'm not a big fan
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:55
Sorry, the story, to me, just seems like any other darwin award.

Waving your guns around and firing them in the air in front of coalition troops is ASKING to be shot.

Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?

OK, I see your point with calling it funny. It was the wrong word. I merely had a hard time finding a word to describe my reaction to hearing about stupidity at its worst.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 02:58
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.

OK, I see your point with calling it funny. It was the wrong word. I merely had a hard time finding a word to describe my reaction to hearing about stupidity at its worst.
Having endlessly discussed the matter with you, I believe 'funny' to be an accurate description of your impressions. :evil:
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 02:59
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.
Fire an Ak-47 in front of a cop.

Call me if you live to tell about it.
GNU-Linux
22-05-2004, 03:08
Darwin Awards are kinda funny sometimes...I think it's a bit like eugenics. The whole purifying the gene pool thing and all. So yeah, I'm not a big fan

Eugenics is deliberate. Accidentally killing yourself due to carelessness.

I would much rather people thought about their actions and didn't kill themselves, but it doesn't mean I can't marvel at how a perfectly sane and able human being can make such errors in judgement. I suppose its more a case of amazement than humour.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 03:08
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.
Fire an Ak-47 in front of a cop.

Call me if you live to tell about it.
Firstly, being in a village of a few houses in the middle of nowhere, at night, they would not have seen the helicopters. Is it suicide-by-cop if you are on your land, being shot by a police sniper?

Secondly, if the sniper proceeds to shoot you, your family, your neighbours on your street, and their families, are they committing suicide-by-cop by being in your vicinity? Did the kids who died, many of them not even in their teens, commit suicide-by-coalition?

This is what you are saying, and you are still laughing at it. Not cool man, not cool.
The Atheists Reality
22-05-2004, 03:25
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.
Fire an Ak-47 in front of a cop.

Call me if you live to tell about it.
Firstly, being in a village of a few houses in the middle of nowhere, at night, they would not have seen the helicopters. Is it suicide-by-cop if you are on your land, being shot by a police sniper?

Secondly, if the sniper proceeds to shoot you, your family, your neighbours on your street, and their families, are they committing suicide-by-cop by being in your vicinity? Did the kids who died, many of them not even in their teens, commit suicide-by-coalition?

This is what you are saying, and you are still laughing at it. Not cool man, not cool.

shit happens
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 03:27
I would, however, like to say that IMHO you regained a lot of respect by posting an apology.In my opinion, a non-apology apology thread isn't even worth posting on. I have nothing but shame and disgust for your posts Raysia.
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 03:28
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.
Fire an Ak-47 in front of a cop.

Call me if you live to tell about it.
Firstly, being in a village of a few houses in the middle of nowhere, at night, they would not have seen the helicopters. Is it suicide-by-cop if you are on your land, being shot by a police sniper?

Secondly, if the sniper proceeds to shoot you, your family, your neighbours on your street, and their families, are they committing suicide-by-cop by being in your vicinity? Did the kids who died, many of them not even in their teens, commit suicide-by-coalition?

This is what you are saying, and you are still laughing at it. Not cool man, not cool.

shit happensCharming.
The Atheists Reality
22-05-2004, 03:34
Am i so wrong to think that's coalition-assited suicide?
Yes.
Fire an Ak-47 in front of a cop.

Call me if you live to tell about it.
Firstly, being in a village of a few houses in the middle of nowhere, at night, they would not have seen the helicopters. Is it suicide-by-cop if you are on your land, being shot by a police sniper?

Secondly, if the sniper proceeds to shoot you, your family, your neighbours on your street, and their families, are they committing suicide-by-cop by being in your vicinity? Did the kids who died, many of them not even in their teens, commit suicide-by-coalition?

This is what you are saying, and you are still laughing at it. Not cool man, not cool.

shit happensCharming.

it was unfortunate, but stuff like that will happen
Raem
22-05-2004, 03:34
I don't think the Darwin Awards are funny, for the most part. But that's because, for the most part, they've done all the funny stuff to death, if you'll pardon the pun. The original entries can still make me grin, though.

But then, I'm sure none of you expected otherwise from me.
Spherical objects
22-05-2004, 03:40
I would, however, like to say that IMHO you regained a lot of respect by posting an apology.In my opinion, a non-apology apology thread isn't even worth posting on. I have nothing but shame and disgust for your posts Raysia.

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Hi Spoff. I just got an eely-male alert to this thread and was just about to post almost exactly the same comments.
Raysia, quit. You began with an apology but continued trying to justify your 'amusement'. That is not an apology and you're just digging a grave for yourself, rather like the scores that have been dug for those people that were killed.
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 04:07
I would, however, like to say that IMHO you regained a lot of respect by posting an apology.In my opinion, a non-apology apology thread isn't even worth posting on. I have nothing but shame and disgust for your posts Raysia.

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Hi Spoff. I just got an eely-male alert to this thread and was just about to post almost exactly the same comments.
Raysia, quit. You began with an apology but continued trying to justify your 'amusement'. That is not an apology and you're just digging a grave for yourself, rather like the scores that have been dug for those people that were killed.

Must, unfortunately, agree.
What started as an apology has deteriorated into repeating the original comments and trying to justify them yet again.
You have re-lost the respect you nearly regained.
How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before it will occur to you that just maybe you are wrong?
Quit while you are behind.
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 04:42
[Recalls the Spooks lyric]

# It's just painful man, painful, I'm starting to feel hate! #

And indeed it is sad to see someone who could potentially be an articulate debater lose any claim to the moral high ground so spectacularly. As if being deleted for homophobic flaming hadn't put a dent in his reputation already.

Sigh. Well, what can you say to someone who grins over people's bodies, trying to point out the funny side? :(
Mutant Dogs
22-05-2004, 04:44
[Recalls the Spooks lyric]

# It's just painful man, painful, I'm starting to feel hate! #

And indeed it is sad to see someone who could potentially be an articulate debater lose any claim to the moral high ground so spectacularly. As if being deleted for homophobic flaming hadn't put a dent in his reputation already.

Sigh. Well, what can you say to someone who grins over people's bodies, trying to point out the funny side? :(

OMG NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :(
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 04:45
OMG NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :(
Huh? I must confess to being somewhat perplexed. :?
Mutant Dogs
22-05-2004, 04:48
OMG NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :(
Huh? I must confess to being somewhat perplexed. :?

Me 2 8)

Beer?
Tactical Grace
22-05-2004, 04:51
No thanks. And I doubt Raysia would appreciate having his thread spammed.
Colodia
22-05-2004, 04:52
No thanks. And I doubt Raysia would appreciate having his thread spammed.

he wouldn't care

I wouldn't. I'd let him spam MY thread ANYDAY
Mutant Dogs
22-05-2004, 04:52
No thanks. And I doubt Raysia would appreciate having his thread spammed.

No, I'm certain he wouldn't 8) .

*Leaves*
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 05:47
you guys are right
Soviet Democracy
22-05-2004, 06:08
I just wanted to officially apologize for stating that I think the Darwin Awards are funny.

Apparently, laughing at the stupid ways stupid people die is offensive to some, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

For those who don't know: http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do not think death is funny. It is never funny, it is never cool. Though, personally, I do think the events leading up to one's death can be quite amusing... but maybe I'm just sick in the head?

I'm sorry for laughing when I hear about a guy dying from a home liposuction and stuff like that.

*sigh* I agree with you that they are funny. It is not the death we are laughing at but the stupidity behind the death. If I were you I would not of apologized. Maybe I would of backed off, but not apologized. Anyways, I think the Darwin Awards are quite entertaining.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 06:28
Raysian,

I have been wanting to tell you this for a long time, and until now I did not think that it was appropriate, but it can no longer wait. What happened to you ?
I have known you since you first started here. When you began you were fun to role play with (if you will remember we were allies at one point). Your banners were cool, and even your store front puppet was interesting. In the general forum you were respectful, inquisative, and very open about shareing your faith (even when badgered) and I had some really great conversations with you.
And then it all changed. You all but stoped posting on the role play side. Your store front fell to the wayside. Worst of all, your posts in the general forum became angry, and then progressed to troll-like. At one point I was so upset with you that I dropped out of the general forum for a while. Now you are posting these threads about people getting killed by American troops and saying how funny they are. I am an American, I come from a family that has served in every war since the revolutionary war. I must say, that my family members who have been forced to take a life in the course of thier duty NEVER FOUND IT FUNNY. Beyond the fact that people lost thier lives, there are now young men who are going to have to go to sleep every night knowing that they were responsable for the death of someone's son, daughter,father, mother, brother, sisiter, husband or wife (or a combination of these things). It is not funny.
I had hope for you when I saw this thread, but instead you have fallen back to being just bearly more than a troll.
I thought more of you than this, but I guess I was wrong.
I know that you are young, and are most likely trying to get attention, and equate respect with a high post count, but this is not right. I hope that this is just an online persona and that you are not like this in the real world.
Thank you , and the other members of this forum for the use of bandwidth.

Celeborne.
Tumaniaa
22-05-2004, 06:38
Wouldn't "I'm never wrong! Ever! I'm not sorry you wankers! Fuck You all" be a more appropriate title for this thread?
Roania
22-05-2004, 06:39
I'm going to agree with Celeborne...except about the RP part. I never enjoyed rping with you. But I always thought you to be a calm, and rational, and caring person. And then this comes along.

Raysia, stop. Please, just stop. There's absolutely nothing funny about people dying because they might have had a momentary lapse of judgement. It's not worth laughing about. It's not funny at all.

It's even less funny when the person actually does have something wrong with them. Then it's a tragedy, and it's wrong to laugh about that. Don't get me wrong here, though.

I'm not arguing that these deaths don't work out for the greater good, which is I suppose the general point the Darwin Awards try to make. I am saying, however, that it's not funny. It's sad, it's a tragedy, a failure of civilisation, when we actually have a book that celebrates these deaths. And it's truly sad that these people weren't helped, weren't kept under better watch.

There's nothing wrong to preach Malthusian ideals, or Social Darwinism. It is, however, appalling to watch someone take those ideals into practice, and laugh at what happens.
Nianacio
22-05-2004, 06:43
Perhaps Mormons are not like mainstream Christians.Perhaps Raysia's brain is just different than yours.
Mainstream Christians generally believe in helping another at a time of misfortune, not regarding it as a source of amusement.How is he supposed to help them?
Laughing at people dying is sick.Laughing at the fact that someone died, yes. Laughing at that person's stupidity in the moments leading up to the death, not in my opinion.
And IMHO, certainly would not be regarded as Christian.Is laughing at anything a particularly Christian action?
You are still laughing at a tragedy which isn't funny.From what Raysia has posted, I got the impression that he was not laughing at the tragedy, but that it was able to happen.
Next time several dozen people in the midwest die in a tornado, are you going to laugh at them for being stupid enough to build houses there?Houses can be built tornado-proof.
Look, you've repeated the word 'funny' umpteen times, so you personally must find gruesome death amusing.He specifically said that death is never funny.
Firstly, being in a village of a few houses in the middle of nowhere, at night, they would not have seen the helicopters.Fewer houses is fewer impediments to their vision, and helicopters are loud.
Is it suicide-by-cop if you are on your land, being shot by a police sniper?If s/he does it because you fired an automatic weapon in his or her general direction, one might say so.
In my opinion, a non-apology apology thread isn't even worth posting on. I have nothing but shame and disgust for your posts Raysia.How do you know he doesn't truly regret offending people?
As if being deleted for homophobic flaming hadn't put a dent in his reputation already.I thought it was for trolling...Anyway, if the posts that I saw were the relevant ones, they did not include flaming or explicit homophobia.
Well, what can you say to someone who grins over people's bodies, trying to point out the funny side? :("I'm sorry," "Please see a psychologist," and, if you are a theist, "I'll pray for you"?
he wouldn't care

I wouldn't. I'd let him spam MY thread ANYDAYI would.

NOTE: I'm not defending things like the Darwin Awards; these are just points I wanted to respond to. Some of my replies, like the tornado-proof house comment, weren't even very relevant.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 06:47
Niancio: Thanks for understanding me.

There is some truth to what Cel and Roania are saying though... but at least you see my side.

I'm just all misunderstood :S
Nianacio
22-05-2004, 06:52
There is some truth to what Cel and Roania are saying though... but at least you see my side.Yea. I just don't often make "Me, too" or "I agree" comments unless I am responding to a poll.
Roania
22-05-2004, 06:55
Niancio: Thanks for understanding me.

There is some truth to what Cel and Roania are saying though... but at least you see my side.

I'm just all misunderstood :S

So, if we're to believe revisionists, was Hitler.

And that's where it all leads, isn't it? That's where it it all leads. Eugenics is not something you can apply at random. It's something that if you even dream of applying to life, will over-take your morals. It's not something you can actively preach and pursue, while holding the moral high-ground.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 06:57
Niancio: Thanks for understanding me.

There is some truth to what Cel and Roania are saying though... but at least you see my side.

I'm just all misunderstood :S

So, if we're to believe revisionists, was Hitler.

And that's where it all leads, isn't it? That's where it it all leads. Eugenics is not something you can apply at random. It's something that if you even dream of applying to life, will over-take your morals. It's not something you can actively preach and pursue, while holding the moral high-ground.I'm preaching Eugenics? Dude, what are yoiu smoking? The Darwin awards aren't seriously about Eugenics, merely laughing at stupid people and the circumstances that ultimate lead to their demise.
Toccatta Land
22-05-2004, 06:58
You guys, death is a part of life. Accept it and move on. There is honor and dignity in death. There can also be humor and stupidity. Just because someone finished their natural life in a way that instills the profound thought of "WTF?" doesn't mean you can't laugh at it. Much in the way if someone slips on a banana peel and falls, you're not a bad person if you laugh, it just happens to be funny.

Admittedly, some of the accidents are sad as death normally is. If partygoers are bombed post-celebration, that's really sad. At the same time, it's ironic. Irony often instills thoughts of humor. Do not look down at me for having a giggle every once in a while.

Take a look at the life these people lived, not how they were after their death. Look not at the loss of life, but how life was when it was around.

In conclusion, I plan to go out with a bang. More accurately, a splat. If and when I feel that it is my time, I plan to skydive, naked, from an airplane. I think that'll be a rush, right until you hit the ground. As for the suicide thing, it's not because I'm depressed and I'm sad at life, it's because I love life that I want to end it enjoying myself. It's also not ethically wrong for me, because I'm not religious and so long as I don't land on someone or someone's property, nobody is hurt but me. And I probably won't hurt a lot anyway.
Hakartopia
22-05-2004, 07:01
Whats the difference between what Raysia nominated and the guy who went to a military firing practice site, hid behind a building and jumped in front of a couple of soldiers walking by and went "boo!"?
Roania
22-05-2004, 07:01
Is it? I know what the Darwin Awards are. And it's one step, albiet a large one, from laughing at the deaths of the weak, to going out and actually causing them.

I've read the first book, and didn't the introduction actually come out and say that the author thinks that these deaths are evolution in action? You don't have to believe I'm right, but the fact remains that all evil starts with someone thinking it might be a laugh.
Roania
22-05-2004, 07:02
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 07:05
Thanks guys, I was beginning to think I was alone on thies. This is really the first time I ever met a group of people who never once laughed at the darwin awards.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 07:05
Thanks guys, I was beginning to think I was alone on thies. This is really the first time I ever met a group of people who never once laughed at the darwin awards.
Rotovia
22-05-2004, 07:23
I just wanted to officially apologize for stating that I think the Darwin Awards are funny.

Apparently, laughing at the stupid ways stupid people die is offensive to some, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

For those who don't know: http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do not think death is funny. It is never funny, it is never cool. Though, personally, I do think the events leading up to one's death can be quite amusing... but maybe I'm just sick in the head?

I'm sorry for laughing when I hear about a guy dying from a home liposuction and stuff like that.I don't see why death can't be funny. It's just our bodies no longer sustaining life, in any conventional sense. I know I want my death to be funny, I've even begun recording the tape for my funeral. It begins with "This is my voice from beyond the grave... here to tell you what I really though of all of you" then I begin insulting my friends and loved ones... classic.
Rotovia
22-05-2004, 07:24
I just wanted to officially apologize for stating that I think the Darwin Awards are funny.

Apparently, laughing at the stupid ways stupid people die is offensive to some, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

For those who don't know: http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do not think death is funny. It is never funny, it is never cool. Though, personally, I do think the events leading up to one's death can be quite amusing... but maybe I'm just sick in the head?

I'm sorry for laughing when I hear about a guy dying from a home liposuction and stuff like that.I don't see why death can't be funny. It's just our bodies no longer sustaining life, in any conventional sense. I know I want my death to be funny, I've even begun recording the tape for my funeral. It begins with "This is my voice from beyond the grave... here to tell you what I really though of all of you" then I begin insulting my friends and loved ones... classic.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 07:27
Much in the way if someone slips on a banana peel and falls, you're not a bad person if you laugh, it just happens to be funny.

Laughing at a person on T.V. that you know is an actor that slips on a banana peel, that is funny. If a real person slips and falls and hurts themselves that is not funny.

Admittedly, some of the accidents are sad as death normally is. If partygoers are bombed post-celebration, that's really sad. At the same time, it's ironic. Irony often instills thoughts of humor. Do not look down at me for having a giggle every once in a while.

It is not ironic, it is just plain sad. And I doubt that the soldiers who killed those people wern't flying off into the sunset singing Allhana Morresset songs...I will not look down on you for having a giggle every now and then, but I will look down on you for having a giggle at the pain and suffering of others.

Take a look at the life these people lived, not how they were after their death. Look not at the loss of life, but how life was when it was around.

I you are doing that, then you are not laughing at thier deaths now are you ?

In conclusion, I plan to go out with a bang. More accurately, a splat. If and when I feel that it is my time, I plan to skydive, naked, from an airplane. I think that'll be a rush, right until you hit the ground. As for the suicide thing, it's not because I'm depressed and I'm sad at life, it's because I love life that I want to end it enjoying myself. It's also not ethically wrong for me, because I'm not religious and so long as I don't land on someone or someone's property, nobody is hurt but me. And I probably won't hurt a lot anyway.

Many people will be hurt. How about the family and friends that you will leave behind ? The pilot of the plane, who will wonder if it is his fault ? The guy who packed the shoot and will wonder for the rest of his life if it was something that he did that caused the parachute not to open ('cause there is no way in hell that you are jumping without one.). Stop being so self centered and think about how your actions effect others.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 07:43
I don't see why death can't be funny. It's just our bodies no longer sustaining life, in any conventional sense. I know I want my death to be funny, I've even begun recording the tape for my funeral. It begins with "This is my voice from beyond the grave... here to tell you what I really though of all of you" then I begin insulting my friends and loved ones... classic.

You all strike me as very young. Your views on this will change when you have had a few more birthdays and seen the effects of death on people. The reason that it is not funny is that it deeply effects the rest of us that are left behind, even (or especially) the person responsable (if someone else is responsable) for the death.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 07:44
Thanks guys, I was beginning to think I was alone on thies. This is really the first time I ever met a group of people who never once laughed at the darwin awards.

The fact that you are not alone in "this" saddens me deeply.
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 07:50
You guys, death is a part of life. Accept it and move on. There is honor and dignity in death.

There is no honour or dignity in death.
There is only pain and loss.
Revisit the subject when you have had some life experience.
Soviet Democracy
22-05-2004, 07:59
Thanks guys, I was beginning to think I was alone on thies. This is really the first time I ever met a group of people who never once laughed at the darwin awards.

You are not alone. I personally think that the Darwin Awards are funny. I do not think that death is funny, but in the end it is part of life. You cannot save everyone, especially from themselves and their own stupidity. So when I laugh at the Darwin Awards, I am laughing at stupidity, not death.
Toccatta Land
22-05-2004, 08:08
Laughing at a person falling in real life isn't sad. If you fall, you look funny. If you look funny, I laugh. If I find that you're seriously hurt, I feel sorry for you. That's not unnatural, nor does that make me a horrible person. I don't laugh at people being horribly disfigured in hateful actions that were unwarrented. Someone cutting their eyebrow because they slipped in the shower making it look like a boxer's cut, that's funny. Okay, they got hurt, but pain fades, the cut lasts longer and is a conversation piece.

Celeborne, you have no right to look down on me for anything. I'm not laughing becuase people are dead. I'm laughing at the life they lived, even to the point right before their death. It so happens to be ironic that they died in clebration. It's not a joyous event that they died, nobody sang songs or snickered. Death is not FUN. I realize this, don't ever talk down to me like I don't understand.

I do not laugh at the fact that they have died. Death, in and of itself, doesn't amuse me. It might amuse some people, but death is not funny to me. Life however, is FULL of laughs. I don't laugh at the fact that they are dead. I laugh at the life they lived right before they died. After their death, it's sad. Before their death, if they're doing something critially stupid, it's fair game to laugh at.

You really think I plan to take a running leap, naked, off a plane, and not tell anyone? Please! If I were to go out with a bang, which, though I'd like to, probably won't happen because I would have to have decided that I was done with life (if I had a certian terminal illness and I was just about out of time or something similar), which I probably won't have to. But in the case that I knew I was going to die very very soon anyway, I would arrange it. I wouldn't be wearing a parachute, so packers wouldn't have to worry. The pilot would be informed, as would my parents and friends. They would know that I loved them and loved life, but since I'm dying soon anyway, I want to go out with a BANG. I would never put a recording mocking my friends from beyond the grave. That hurts. I want them to be sad at my death, but later, when wounds arn't so painful, they can laugh at the life I lived. Everything from singing to acting to dancing to partying to jumping out of an airplane naked. It would become part of my life.

Finally, in a world where you admit there is so much sadness and sorrow, who are you to deprive ANYONE of ANY laughter they can see? Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?
Toccatta Land
22-05-2004, 08:13
You guys, death is a part of life. Accept it and move on. There is honor and dignity in death.

There is no honour or dignity in death.
There is only pain and loss.
Revisit the subject when you have had some life experience.

There is honor and dignity in death. I stand by that. There is pain and loss, as well, yes, I have loved people who have died. Members of my family have been lost, but their time had come. It was tragic and I cried, wept and mourned. But they lived a full, happy life. They bore children who continued in their wake, taking over where they had left off. Death may or may not be the end, but it is also a beginning. I know this to be true. I do not look to embrace death, but every person has a time.

The glory of life is that it is not infinate. It ends. That's what makes every second so special. In death, there is the honor of completeing life. There is the dignity of respect given to the dead. There is pain to those you miss you, there is loss to those who loved you. But it happens. Smile, rejoice and look at life.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 08:18
I have every right to look down on you. I do look down on you, I also feel sorry for you. You are the product of a society that has turned callus and unfeeling. I will talk to you like you don't understand, because you do not.

There is much sorrow in the world, the way to deal with that is to help, not to point and laugh. Given the chance, I would deprive people of laughing at any number of things. I do not think that it is right to laugh at everything. The death of a child is not funny, I am sure that some of the german officers thought that the deaths of people in showers was funny, and yet I do not think that is right.


Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?

That is a contridictory statement. Your pleasure at the death of the people killed in the wedding party at Iraq (which is what we were talking about to begin with) dampens my joy of NationStates. Who am I to say something against it ? I am the person that you empowered to do just that in your statement.

Thank you and have a nice day.
Lysergica
22-05-2004, 08:19
As we say in Lysergica, "mellow out". The Darwin Awards are funny as hell, to me. Death can be a tragedy, or it can be a final relief from pain - but when a guy dies humping his couch full of electric sanders, that is funny. Sad that he's dead, but hilarious anyway.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 08:20
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 08:20
There is honor and dignity in death. I stand by that. There is pain and loss, as well, yes, I have loved people who have died. Members of my family have been lost, but their time had come. It was tragic and I cried, wept and mourned. But they lived a full, happy life. They bore children who continued in their wake, taking over where they had left off. Death may or may not be the end, but it is also a beginning. I know this to be true. I do not look to embrace death, but every person has a time.

The glory of life is that it is not infinate. It ends. That's what makes every second so special. In death, there is the honor of completeing life. There is the dignity of respect given to the dead. There is pain to those you miss you, there is loss to those who loved you. But it happens. Smile, rejoice and look at life.

Well spoken. I agree with you completely. But, please let me add "smile , rejoice and look at life" but do not point and laugh at death.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 08:22
I have every right to look down on you. I do look down on you, I also feel sorry for you. You are the product of a society that has turned callus and unfeeling. I will talk to you like you don't understand, because you do not.

There is much sorrow in the world, the way to deal with that is to help, not to point and laugh. Given the chance, I would deprive people of laughing at any number of things. I do not think that it is right to laugh at everything. The death of a child is not funny, I am sure that some of the german officers thought that the deaths of people in showers was funny, and yet I do not think that is right.


Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?

That is a contridictory statement. Your pleasure at the death of the people killed in the wedding party at Iraq (which is what we were talking about to begin with) dampens my joy of NationStates. Who am I to say something against it ? I am the person that you empowered to do just that in your statement.

Thank you and have a nice day.For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 08:24
For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.

I understand that, and the post was not directed at you.
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 08:26
I have every right to look down on you. I do look down on you, I also feel sorry for you. You are the product of a society that has turned callus and unfeeling. I will talk to you like you don't understand, because you do not.

There is much sorrow in the world, the way to deal with that is to help, not to point and laugh. Given the chance, I would deprive people of laughing at any number of things. I do not think that it is right to laugh at everything. The death of a child is not funny, I am sure that some of the german officers thought that the deaths of people in showers was funny, and yet I do not think that is right.


Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?

That is a contridictory statement. Your pleasure at the death of the people killed in the wedding party at Iraq (which is what we were talking about to begin with) dampens my joy of NationStates. Who am I to say something against it ? I am the person that you empowered to do just that in your statement.

Thank you and have a nice day.For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.

The person who made them a target, righly or wrongly (there are still contradicory stories being circulated) was the pilot.
Got that? They did not kill themselves, they were killed. Can you grasp that simple fact? It does make a difference, especially when you compare them to those in the Darwin awards.

How many people have to address your sense of humour before you begin to question it?
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 08:28
I have every right to look down on you. I do look down on you, I also feel sorry for you. You are the product of a society that has turned callus and unfeeling. I will talk to you like you don't understand, because you do not.

There is much sorrow in the world, the way to deal with that is to help, not to point and laugh. Given the chance, I would deprive people of laughing at any number of things. I do not think that it is right to laugh at everything. The death of a child is not funny, I am sure that some of the german officers thought that the deaths of people in showers was funny, and yet I do not think that is right.


Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?

That is a contridictory statement. Your pleasure at the death of the people killed in the wedding party at Iraq (which is what we were talking about to begin with) dampens my joy of NationStates. Who am I to say something against it ? I am the person that you empowered to do just that in your statement.

Thank you and have a nice day.For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.

The person who made them a target, righly or wrongly (there are still contradicory stories being circulated) was the pilot.
Got that? They did not kill themselves, they were killed. Can you grasp that simple fact? It does make a difference, especially when you compare them to those in the Darwin awards.

How many people have to address your sense of humour before you begin to question it?I swear man, sometimes you are just impossible to get through to.

The darwin award nomination eligibility was based solely on the story originally told to us by the Iraqi 'witnesses.'

If you've followed this at all, which I'm sure you haven't, you realize I've retracted the nomination because the story has changed.

Sheesh. Get over it.
Cannot think of a name
22-05-2004, 08:30
For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.
As if they are seperable events. They where bombed because they 'made themselves targets' and that strikes you as funny.

This is really no more than a classic Raysian redirect. People called you on the fact that it is far from funny that our troops bombed a wedding, in fact it was sad for both the people around the wedding and likely for the troops (hearts and minds, anyone?) and so you bail out of your initial thread to make this about the darwin awards and not the fact that you are an insensitive parrot-hawk who was laughing at the death of people who are supposed to be under our protection and who never asked us to be there in the first place. In light of other abuses that surround this travisty, you'd think even the most callous would have a degree of sensitivity and compasion, but no.

I'm not buying it. You are an ass not because you think that the darwin awards are funny, but because you thought this situation applied.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 08:32
For crap's sake, and for the last time... i'm not laughing at the fact that we bombed those Iraqis. I'm laughing at the way the guys made themselves a target.
As if they are seperable events. They where bombed because they 'made themselves targets' and that strikes you as funny.

This is really no more than a classic Raysian redirect. People called you on the fact that it is far from funny that our troops bombed a wedding, in fact it was sad for both the people around the wedding and likely for the troops (hearts and minds, anyone?) and so you bail out of your initial thread to make this about the darwin awards and not the fact that you are an insensitive parrot-hawk who was laughing at the death of people who are supposed to be under our protection and who never asked us to be there in the first place. In light of other abuses that surround this travisty, you'd think even the most callous would have a degree of sensitivity and compasion, but no.

I'm not buying it. You are an ass not because you think that the darwin awards are funny, but because you thought this situation applied.huh? The agument that broke out in the original thread was that darwin awards are not funny... that seems to be the same argument here too... where did I stray from the original topic?
Hogsweat
22-05-2004, 08:33
I have never heard of Darwin Awards, but by looking at teh website for a bit, it is sick. There is laughter from people dying or people living in such pain.
Toccatta Land
22-05-2004, 08:38
I have every right to look down on you. I do look down on you, I also feel sorry for you. You are the product of a society that has turned callus and unfeeling. I will talk to you like you don't understand, because you do not.

There is much sorrow in the world, the way to deal with that is to help, not to point and laugh. Given the chance, I would deprive people of laughing at any number of things. I do not think that it is right to laugh at everything. The death of a child is not funny, I am sure that some of the german officers thought that the deaths of people in showers was funny, and yet I do not think that is right.


Wherever it comes from, even if it's morbid, everyone should be able to take whatever joy they can from any situation, so long as it doesn't damper the joy of others. If you have something against it, who are you to take pleasure from robbing us of ours?

That is a contridictory statement. Your pleasure at the death of the people killed in the wedding party at Iraq (which is what we were talking about to begin with) dampens my joy of NationStates. Who am I to say something against it ? I am the person that you empowered to do just that in your statement.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Alright, look down upon me. I enjoy my life immensely, I have a moral code I live by and that is justified. I don't need to take pleasure in killing other people's laughter. If you feel that that is something to look down on, by all means, look down on my life that is as close to perfection as I need it to be.

Am I calloused and hateful? No. You didn't read my post clearly, or had some trouble understanding my double perspective. Death is sad. I know this. I stated it. How you managed to miss it, I do not know. When things die, I feel sad. Questions?

If you had your way, you would take away our right to laugh? Our right to persue happiness without the expense of others? Don't you realize that what you're doing right now? You're pusing enjoyment via discussions on a board by trying to kill our ideas. Please, stop and think of your own actions!

You seem to refuse to read the part of my post where I state that DEATH IS NOT FUNNY. I don't laugh because people died at a wedding party. That's really freaking sad. I do laugh because they were celebrating a wedding, and a bomb fell from the air. That's ironic. Go figure. The obvious and immediate side effect, death, is not so funny. Nor is it ironic, it's exactly what I expect to happen when a bomb falls. Go figure.

Finally, I argue FOR the ability to laugh and derive pleasure from where you wish. You argue AGAINST it. By performing actions that are FOR my argument, you strengthen it. Argue away, you're helping me win.

Oh, and I am having a wonderful day. Slightly drematic, but the party was great.
Raysian Military Tech
22-05-2004, 08:41
Tocatta: Give it up man, you and I have said the exact same thing20 times. I get locked into these kind of back-and-forth arguments all the time.

These guys have their opinions, and they refuse to attempt to understand what we are thinking... and I'm sure the same could be said about us.

It's best just to roll your eyes and Leave.

I think I'll do that now.
imported_Celeborne
22-05-2004, 08:55
Tocatta: Give it up man, you and I have said the exact same thing20 times. I get locked into these kind of back-and-forth arguments all the time.

These guys have their opinions, and they refuse to attempt to understand what we are thinking... and I'm sure the same could be said about us.

It's best just to roll your eyes and Leave.

I think I'll do that now.

For once I agree with you. :roll:
Toccatta Land
22-05-2004, 09:32
The only person I agree with 100% of the time is myself. I will continue to use both logic and emotion to present a series of points that make sense and agree with my ethical codes. I take pleasure in doing so. That's why I'm on a board for discussions and debates. You've stated the same thing 20 times. I've stated the same thing 20 times, in 20 different ways. I enjoy flexing my wit and playing this verbal chess. The great thing about being on my side of the argument is, the more he says, the more he's being hypocritical, enjoying the destruction of something I stand for. Unless of course, you can prove me wrong about that, or change the stance on which you're arguing. I'd say it's your move, no?
Tumaniaa
22-05-2004, 20:00
Although I don't find the massacre of wedding guests funny I sometimes laugh at the Darwin awards...

Come on... A bunch of helicopters killing civilians doesn't compare to a guy that gets his sex-toy entangled in a lightsocket while wallpapering his apartment with porn and ends up being electrocuted.
Sometimes death is funny, sometimes it's not...
Although I find Nick Berg's decision to go to Iraq to be stupid, I don't find his death funny at all.

I guess it's a fine line...
Collaboration
22-05-2004, 20:13
My wife processed a healthcare benefits claim for a man who lost a flashlight up his anus

Hijacking? No, this is an official distraction
Berkylvania
22-05-2004, 20:16
My wife processed a healthcare benefits claim for a man who lost a flashlight up his anus

Hijacking? No, this is an official distraction

Yes, but did he die?

If he did, then it's funny...er, not funny...er, maybe funny, but only if he was alone when it happened...

Frankly, I'm not sure what's funny and what's not anymore.
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 21:30
In my opinion, a non-apology apology thread isn't even worth posting on. I have nothing but shame and disgust for your posts Raysia.How do you know he doesn't truly regret offending people?The same way I know that a crook isn't rehabilitated if he goes straight out and does it again.
Nianacio
22-05-2004, 23:46
The same way I know that a crook isn't rehabilitated if he goes straight out and does it again.He apologized, and started explaining himself after he was attacked. And you can regret doing something that you repeatedly do.
Spoffin
22-05-2004, 23:48
The same way I know that a crook isn't rehabilitated if he goes straight out and does it again.He apologized, and started explaining himself after he was attacked. And you can regret doing something that you repeatedly do.We're gonna have to disagree on our interpretations of what he did on this thread I'm afraid.
Smeagol-Gollum
22-05-2004, 23:51
The same way I know that a crook isn't rehabilitated if he goes straight out and does it again.He apologized, and started explaining himself after he was attacked. And you can regret doing something that you repeatedly do.

No, it wasn't an apology and explanation.

I at first thought the apology to be genuine, and said so in this thread.

But after that we only saw repeated attempts at justification, not explanation.

If you sincerely believe that you are wrong, you apologise and try to prevent the same thing happening again. You do not attempt to justify your actions and repeat them.
Berkylvania
22-05-2004, 23:52
Longest.

Apology.

Thread.

Ever.

:roll:
Nianacio
22-05-2004, 23:57
No, it wasn't an apology and explanation.

I at first thought the apology to be genuine, and said so in this thread.

But after that we only saw repeated attempts at justification, not explanation.To me it looked like he was explaining. (One of the definitions of apology is formal justification, by the way.)
If you sincerely believe that you are wrong, you apologise and try to prevent the same thing happening again. You do not attempt to justify your actions and repeat them.You can fail to prevent the same thing happening again.
Rotovia
23-05-2004, 01:48
I don't see why death can't be funny. It's just our bodies no longer sustaining life, in any conventional sense. I know I want my death to be funny, I've even begun recording the tape for my funeral. It begins with "This is my voice from beyond the grave... here to tell you what I really though of all of you" then I begin insulting my friends and loved ones... classic.

You all strike me as very young. Your views on this will change when you have had a few more birthdays and seen the effects of death on people. The reason that it is not funny is that it deeply effects the rest of us that are left behind, even (or especially) the person responsable (if someone else is responsable) for the death.Not really, my grand-father frequently jokes about dying, and his dying friends.
Sliders
23-05-2004, 02:20
I just wanted to officially apologize for stating that I think the Darwin Awards are funny.

Apparently, laughing at the stupid ways stupid people die is offensive to some, so I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

For those who don't know: http://www.darwinawards.com/

I do not think death is funny. It is never funny, it is never cool. Though, personally, I do think the events leading up to one's death can be quite amusing... but maybe I'm just sick in the head?

I'm sorry for laughing when I hear about a guy dying from a home liposuction and stuff like that.
I wouldn't be so worried about it. I, presonally, didn't think this instance was that funny, but for the most part, the darwin awards are funny, and deserved.
Spherical objects
23-05-2004, 02:22
I don't see why death can't be funny. It's just our bodies no longer sustaining life, in any conventional sense. I know I want my death to be funny, I've even begun recording the tape for my funeral. It begins with "This is my voice from beyond the grave... here to tell you what I really though of all of you" then I begin insulting my friends and loved ones... classic.

You all strike me as very young. Your views on this will change when you have had a few more birthdays and seen the effects of death on people. The reason that it is not funny is that it deeply effects the rest of us that are left behind, even (or especially) the person responsable (if someone else is responsable) for the death.Not really, my grand-father frequently jokes about dying, and his dying friends.
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Perhaps we should give up on trying to explain that although there is 'comedy' in everything, the way the Darwin Awards are presented is not funny, it is ironic. People who find themselves laughing at such stuff won't be talked out of it, it's obviously their nature. Let's just hope that a bit of life experience will mature them

Amusing.
http://www.av1611.org/buttons/images/dead.jpg

Ironic and interesting. Not amusing.
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/virtual/portrait/bentham-dead.jpg
Hakartopia
23-05-2004, 05:35
People who find themselves laughing at such stuff won't be talked out of it, it's obviously their nature. Let's just hope that a bit of life experience will mature them

Sure thing gramps. :roll:
BackwoodsSquatches
23-05-2004, 05:39
Last week in the next town over...

Two 15 year old kids were huffing gas in a closed-in basement.
The room was doubtlessly filled with fumes.

One of the stupid bastards decided to light a cigarette.

BOOM.

One died....the other is in critical condition.

Sad...yet funny.

At least fate got them before they bred.