NationStates Jolt Archive

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Feel better ?

It is kinda like the weather.It could happen, it might not either way nothing is going to change right now.

yeh, just thought i'd get it out of my system :)

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God Bless America!

And everybody else. :P

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

God Bless America!

And everybody else. :P

Exactly.

God Bless America!

And everybody else. :P

:wink: indeed! God Bless The Whole Wide World!

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.

China runs on the image of a superpower, as it gets them going in the morning. Think the Soviet Union. And we all remember what happened there. As long as they don't discover a new source of unlimited energy, I wouldn't be too concerned with the huge fallout.

Anyway, concerning America - if you really are waiting for something like this, I suggest Googling for "Peak Oil", and look for a site called "Life After The Oil Crash". That should clear up a few things, not only about America, but the world in general.

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Do you have a clue what you're talking about?

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.
Well, guess who accounts for almost all of worldwide increase in steel consumption? China is building the infrastructure -- and at a rather rapid clip. India, too, but much more slowly :wink:

China runs on the image of a superpower, as it gets them going in the morning. Think the Soviet Union. And we all remember what happened there. As long as they don't discover a new source of unlimited energy, I wouldn't be too concerned with the huge fallout.

Anyway, concerning America - if you really are waiting for something like this, I suggest Googling for "Peak Oil", and look for a site called "Life After The Oil Crash". That should clear up a few things, not only about America, but the world in general.

How about "Life after globalization" in which the skewed economies of the world are more balanced and the U.S. is forced to settle down to allow others to come up? Wealth tends to distribute equally. Capitalism, as much as it doesn't seem to, is designed (if you can call it that) to speed this process, but the manipulated version of Capitalism seen in the modern world restricts the normal flow of wealth. As much as they don't realize it, the WTO and other free trade organizations are working to equalize the distribution of wealth instead of just making themselves rich.

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.
Well, guess who accounts for almost all of worldwide increase in steel consumption? China is building the infrastructure -- and at a rather rapid clip. India, too, but much more slowly :wink:

Steel isn't the only thing needed for infrastructure. China has been high on the list of world steel consumers just like the USSR was, because Stalinist and Maoist ideals held that a countries wealth should be measured by its production and usage of steel. Unfortunately this fixation on steel led to the starvation of thousands if not millions in the USSR and China.

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.

To put it rather simply, almost all of your wars started by Asian countrys have been about one thing : Land. Overpopulation coul dbecome a real issue for china leading them to even further expansion. Though this is not an immediate threat to the U.S. it is still a threat.

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Do you have a clue what you're talking about?


yes

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Do you have a clue what you're talking about?


yes

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.

To put it rather simply, almost all of your wars started by Asian countrys have been about one thing : Land. Overpopulation coul dbecome a real issue for china leading them to even further expansion. Though this is not an immediate threat to the U.S. it is still a threat.

Overpopulation is an interesting issue. China, faced with population issues enacted birth limitation laws. These laws have endangered China's economic fortitude, especially when coupled with China's closed-border policies. Inflation becomes dangerous when it is greater than growth. By limitting the growth of population real GDP growth can only come from increased efficiency. China is doing quite well when it comes to improved efficiency, but it will only get them so far. The economic plight of high inflation drove the Chinese government to repeal the birth control legislation, but now they have a population bottleneck. The generation of workers who are about to retire is large, the next generation is small, and the generation after it will be large again, thus putting a massive strain on the working generation. Because there are limitted resources and an ever growing population (or inflation higher than growth) a Malthusian crisis is inevitable. The only way to delay the crisis is to lower the standard of living that is considered acceptable until everyone on the planet is living at the minimum level. Beyond that point is a terror beyond the dreams of men.

If overpopulation is going to be combatted in the long run it will take a unified global effort, which, unfortunately, may only be possible when one country has taken over the world. And even then regional and occupational disputes, especially farmers vs. others will be problematic when food becomes tight.

So basically overpopulation isn't a problem yet, but it will be, and it's gonna be bad.

Enjoy your wet dreams about the fall of the U.S. It's not happening within our lifetimes, so you won't get the chance to enjoy it.

Enjoy your wet dreams about the fall of the U.S. It's not happening within our lifetimes, so you won't get the chance to enjoy it.

I do not think that anyone would enjoy it. The ramifications to the rest of the world would be horrible.

Enjoy your wet dreams about the fall of the U.S. It's not happening within our lifetimes, so you won't get the chance to enjoy it.

How much does the economy have to shift in relation to the other nations of the world to be considered a "fall?" Because we can expect to see a fairly significant shift within our lifetimes, but not full equaling out, and probably not falling below any other nation.

China runs on the image of a superpower, as it gets them going in the morning. Think the Soviet Union. And we all remember what happened there. As long as they don't discover a new source of unlimited energy, I wouldn't be too concerned with the huge fallout.

Anyway, concerning America - if you really are waiting for something like this, I suggest Googling for "Peak Oil", and look for a site called "Life After The Oil Crash". That should clear up a few things, not only about America, but the world in general.

How about "Life after globalization" in which the skewed economies of the world are more balanced and the U.S. is forced to settle down to allow others to come up? Wealth tends to distribute equally. Capitalism, as much as it doesn't seem to, is designed (if you can call it that) to speed this process, but the manipulated version of Capitalism seen in the modern world restricts the normal flow of wealth. As much as they don't realize it, the WTO and other free trade organizations are working to equalize the distribution of wealth instead of just making themselves rich.

That's because this is real-world Capitalism - it's flawed by nature. And no, I'm not a Communist / Anarchist / CatchPhraseRebelOfTheWeek. I just realize that when you have a system of government designed to take advantage of the human ability to take advantage of humans, that it's hard to miss that of course they're going to take advantage of the system itself, since that's how it was designed to work in the first place.

Anyway, I should warn you that if by a miracle of nature, America decided to allow upstarts to take root, then it would simply be self-defeating, at least to a degree. The "optimal" idea would be a grand trade method between the various level nations, leading to greatness. The reality, of course, is that now we have a bunch of mini-Americas running around, each trying to swallow the world. Not a pretty sight in the least.

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.
Well, guess who accounts for almost all of worldwide increase in steel consumption? China is building the infrastructure -- and at a rather rapid clip. India, too, but much more slowly :wink:

Steel isn't the only thing needed for infrastructure. China has been high on the list of world steel consumers just like the USSR was, because Stalinist and Maoist ideals held that a countries wealth should be measured by its production and usage of steel. Unfortunately this fixation on steel led to the starvation of thousands if not millions in the USSR and China.
That was back in the day when USSR and China had planned economies and steel was just being produced for the sakes of puffing up statistics -- there was no actual economic need for this steel. Nowadays China's steel consumption is driven by very tangible demand for road and housing construction and fast-growing auto industry. If that (housing, roads) ain't infrastructure I don't know what is :wink:

At this moment China consumes 1/5 the worlds supply of nickel, 1/5th of copper, 1/4th of steel, 1/2 the worlds supply of cement. Due to it's demand, prices for steel, copper, aluminium, coles and iron ore rose (respectively) 17 to 33%, 15, 35, 35, 36%.
A staggering total of 1.1 BILLION square metres is under construction, more than the rest of the world combined, mainly for housing.
This year, China will surpass Japan as the worlds 2nd largest oilconsumer.

In the last 25 years, China enormous economic expansion has 'industrialized' 500 million people. This is unprecedented in history. This is not a hype or a myth, it's real, and it continues...

Wealth tends to distribute equally.Don't whisper that too loudly - there are more than enough liberals on this board who will have major heart failure after hearing that one. :lol:

Let's get real - the US will always be "the" Super Power, at least in our lifetime. (I am not saying its a good thing, it is just reality.) Not only because of it's economy and infrastructure, but because it was lucky enough to choose land with rich resources and has enough space to allow it to increase its population for the next century with no major difficulties. If we absolutely had to, it has the possibility of being self-sufficient as a nation. That also will never happen (and there is no real incentive to do so), but that shows part of its broad-base of resources. Plus, with its historical background, its political power and influence will be there for a long time. I agree that India will move into the realm of powerful first world countries in my lifetime, but China has too long of a struggle to make it in this century. Just to move into the first world nation list, however, does not mean that any other country has to step aside.

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:


sorry to go off the point, but the most powerful military in the world diddnt stop 9/11

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:


sorry to go off the point, but the most powerful military in the world diddnt stop 9/11

And one of the biggest emerging economies in the world didn't stop SARS. What's your point?

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:


sorry to go off the point, but the most powerful military in the world diddnt stop 9/11

And one of the biggest emerging economies in the world didn't stop SARS. What's your point?


thats my point exactly.

Just because you think your "the best country around" doesnt mean your invunerable

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:


sorry to go off the point, but the most powerful military in the world diddnt stop 9/11

And one of the biggest emerging economies in the world didn't stop SARS. What's your point?


thats my point exactly.

Just because you think your "the best country around" doesnt mean your invunerable

I never said I thought we were "the best country around". Don't put words in my mouth and read some of my past posts before you lump me in with jingoist "Amuricans".

As for invulnerability, who is? No matter how big or tough you are in any area, there's always going to be some way you are vulnerable. Again, what's your point?

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

Wow, someone woke up in a bad mood today...

America will not be falling any time soon, if ever. It took 2 World Wars to bring down Britain as the most powerful nation, so unless Armaggedon occurs America will not fall.

You mentioned that if Wall Street experienced another crash it would destroy our economy. Sorry, but FDR's New Deal Program has dealt with that, and banks will shut down to stop the loss of money. If Wall Street experiences a downslide, we'll experience a recession, but nothing like the Depression in the 1930s.

Remember, all of the nations you listed fell because of their:

1. Poor Infastructure

2. Unable to Control their Vast Empire

3. Conquered by Another Empire

So we have about 3 situations that would bring down a Superpower. By the way, you might want to note that the UN now considers America a 'hyperpower'....

America has the greatest infastructure in the world, with our Checks and Balances system keeping one branch of the political system from becoming too powerful. The Chinese lack this infrastructure, if a dictator arose, their infastructure could not stop him/her.

America has no Empire, outside of some Caribbean holdings we don't have much else. We have the best military in the world so we have no problem defending what is ours. As long as we don't try to conquer the Western Hemisphere, the armed forces will never be overstretched.

As mentioned above, we have the greatest military since Rome, there's no way we could be conquered. Russia and China's military is not equipped well enough to come across the Pacific and defeat our Navy. As long as America maintains the most powerful military in the world, it will be the world's only Super Power, or 'HyperPower' now. 'HyperPower' has a certain ring to it... :wink:


sorry to go off the point, but the most powerful military in the world diddnt stop 9/11

And one of the biggest emerging economies in the world didn't stop SARS. What's your point?


thats my point exactly.

Just because you think your "the best country around" doesnt mean your invunerable

I never said I thought we were "the best country around". Don't put words in my mouth and read some of my past posts before you lump me in with jingoist "Amuricans".

As for invulnerability, who is? No matter how big or tough you are in any area, there's always going to be some way you are vulnerable. Again, what's your point?


sorry, i was using "you" in the implicative sence. perhaps i should have phrased it as "just because one would believe his or her own particular country was the best..."

and by invunerability i was refering to the post ending along the lines of "we have the best military in the world, so therefore we will be the worlds hyperpower"

Wealth tends to distribute equally.Don't whisper that too loudly - there are more than enough liberals on this board who will have major heart failure after hearing that one. :lol:No, though the conservatives may have one. Liberals are actually about spreading wealth.

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sorry, i was using "you" in the implicative sence. perhaps i should have phrased it as "just because one would believe his or her own particular country was the best..."

I'm sorry for getting ruffled. It's been a long week.


and by invunerability i was refering to the post ending along the lines of "we have the best military in the world, so therefore we will be the worlds hyperpower"

I see what you're saying and I agree with it to a point. Currently, we do have the world's strongest military and that gives us a "might makes right" mentality. However, we all know how successful those are. Additionally, with BushCo's "us against them" politics, he's making the rest of the world consider exactly who the enemy is. The problem with "us against them" is that once they figure out there are more "them" than "us", the "us" is screwed. This is what's happening now, I think. So while no country could beat the current US military individually, collectively they could smack us around like a red headed step-child and our aggressive and antagonistic policies are beginning to make "them" realize that.

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.



I hope your happy thinking that you'll see our fall. You won't. You may never. And if you do, it will be a hell unlike which you'll ever see. Be it by war or a Global Depression

Know what seperates America from the empires you've listen above?
-Technology
-Global Dependance
-Government
-society

Russia, as the more modern failed union, fell because of it's lack of a proper Communist government. Had Soviet Russia succeded in true Communism, it may have stood a chance. However, it did not.

Britain fell because of society. Society couldn't keep slavery forever. Society couldn't be controlled by a crown forever. Society couldn't be pushed down forever.

The Germans fell because of war. Had Hitler done the smart thing and didn't mess with American-holding ships and pushed toward the West only, the Germans would've succeded in a Europeon empire. However, he didn't.

America is the result of all these weaknesses. America may be a lesson to all future superpowers itself. But America is the first step toward the future world of the 21st century.

So, my friend, America will fall one day. But you will not see it. Your children's children may see it. But, they'll suffer the consequences of a loss of a major importer.


Yes, God Bless America.

(I hate topics where people like you talk all superior like you know everything. Where in fact, you know as much as everyone else here.

I don't really like your sarcasm too much. If it is sarcasm...)

God Bless America!

And everybody else. :P

:wink: indeed! God Bless The Whole Wide World!
I feel a group hug coming on!!! :lol:

God Bless America!

And everybody else. :P

:wink: indeed! God Bless The Whole Wide World!
I feel a group hug coming on!!! :lol:

hang on! Lemme get my camera...kodak moment!

I always knew america superpowerness would not last forever. We still have 6 years at minimum before the chinese come along. The US won't become like France, a sore loser country who has no power, we still will be powerfull, just not the best anymore. :wink:

Why is everyone so fixated on China as the next superpower? It's not gonna happen. China simply does not have the infrastructure to become a superpower and is in position to make a stupendous economic nosedive in the coming decade. The opening of China's economy makes it more economically powerful every day, but at its peak it will never be more powerful than Japan, and certainly not the U.S.

India on the other hand, is in a position to make striking economic gains if they can modernize and create a stable infrastructure.

Changes in India are already underweigh. They are building roads everywhere. The New Delhi triangle is going to be a 16 lane freeway. Many govermental stuff is getting privatised but monitored.

Don't count out the Chinese. They are patient. A workmate told me they have a manditory English learning program now.....

It would be a little easier to believe these arguments if those who argued it weren't wearing American fashions, watching American sports, listening to American music, following American culture, and hanging on American happenings.

The problem I have with arguments like this is that there are a lot of people who hate the stereotype of what they believe an American is and fall into the ruse of thinking we're all like that. America didn't become a "superpower" on the backs of the lazy, uneducated slobs.

Are all Canadians beer drinking hockey fans?

Are all the French smelly, hairy winos?

Do all Aussies live in the outback and wrestle alligators?

Does everyone in England have bad teeth?

Keep believing the stereotypes and thinking that all of America is like that. Sigh....

Wealth tends to distribute equally.Don't whisper that too loudly - there are more than enough liberals on this board who will have major heart failure after hearing that one. :lol:

I'd be one of them if it weren't for the fact that it's true. The only difference between "Liberals" and "Conservatives" (and those are really the wrong words to use here but everyone knows what I mean) is that Liberals work toward the natural movement of a Capitalist economy, i.e. equal distribution of wealth, and Conservatives work to impede the movement of currency toward equalization. Capitalism is a strange beast, bringing out the best and worst in humans and rewarding and punishing them based on their actions despite the fact that almost no one is truly aware of the consequences of the economic policies.

America will never fall and I think we are getting stronger. Over the past four years our economy is going up and it continualy goes up. Our counry may have its draw backs, but its a joke that we will fall, or the British , or any other democratic system. Our country is not an empire, but a democracy, and no democracy shall fall, besides Athens. Our military is still #1, and it is not falling, no country seems to be better. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

America will never fall and I think we are getting stronger. Over the past four years our economy is going up and it continualy goes up. Our counry may have its draw backs, but its a joke that we will fall, or the British , or any other democratic system. Our country is not an empire, but a democracy, and no democracy shall fall, besides Athens. Our military is still #1, and it is not falling, no country seems to be better. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

I congratulate you on your ability to use a large number of words to say absolutely nothing.

America will never fall and I think we are getting stronger. Over the past four years our economy is going up and it continualy goes up. Our counry may have its draw backs, but its a joke that we will fall, or the British , or any other democratic system. Our country is not an empire, but a democracy, and no democracy shall fall, besides Athens. Our military is still #1, and it is not falling, no country seems to be better. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

It's pretty damn obvious your a troll from another account.

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.



I hope your happy thinking that you'll see our fall. You won't. You may never. And if you do, it will be a hell unlike which you'll ever see. Be it by war or a Global Depression

Know what seperates America from the empires you've listen above?
-Technology
-Global Dependance
-Government
-society

Russia, as the more modern failed union, fell because of it's lack of a proper Communist government. Had Soviet Russia succeded in true Communism, it may have stood a chance. However, it did not.

Britain fell because of society. Society couldn't keep slavery forever. Society couldn't be controlled by a crown forever. Society couldn't be pushed down forever.

The Germans fell because of war. Had Hitler done the smart thing and didn't mess with American-holding ships and pushed toward the West only, the Germans would've succeded in a Europeon empire. However, he didn't.

America is the result of all these weaknesses. America may be a lesson to all future superpowers itself. But America is the first step toward the future world of the 21st century.

So, my friend, America will fall one day. But you will not see it. Your children's children may see it. But, they'll suffer the consequences of a loss of a major importer.


Yes, God Bless America.

(I hate topics where people like you talk all superior like you know everything. Where in fact, you know as much as everyone else here.

I don't really like your sarcasm too much. If it is sarcasm...)


God bless the American educational system.

Communist Russia might once have become empire-like, that's true, but as you may (not, apparantly) know, at the end of the 19th century there was a 3-emperors league; Germany, Austria-Hungary and Russia. The Tsars ruled then, Tsar being a translation of the Latin word Ceasar, being the title given to a Roman emperor, e.g. Julius Ceasar. It was sort of a replacement of the East Roman Empire that lasted untill 1453, however it never got to be anything like its predecessors.

The British Empire fell mainly because Britain was at war in Europe twice, and it lost its capability of dominating defending its empire. Had it still kept a mighty militairy, it might have kept all of its colonies.

Hitler didn't create an empire, he ruled for 12 years, thats nothing. He gained land, and lost it immediately. The name however is more important. The Third Reich. Which means there were 2 Reichs before that. The Holy Roman Empire of the Deutsche Nation, virtually ruled Europe for almost a millenium, untill the start of the 19th century. The Habsburg dynasty the mightiest family ever. Bismarck unified Germany and the German Empire arose, the Second Reich. It lasted untill the emperor fled for the communists to The Netherlands.

Your list of things that supposedly separate America from the rest of them is useless. All empires had technology, and better tech than their enemies/counterparts, all had new, strong types of government. Global dependance was as much important back then as it is now. However I do not think that the world is so incredibly dependant on America. Let's agree to disagree here, cause i dont feel like typing a book right now.

And society? What kind of argument is that? You wanted a 4th point, but you couldn't think of one, so you thought of this? Before America, there was no society?

I agree, I wouldn't want to read your book of lies.

And society? What kind of argument is that? You wanted a 4th point, but you couldn't think of one, so you thought of this? Before America, there was no society?
No, but before 1993, there wasn't much of a large global society called the Internet. That sets us apart from the rest: Being part of a global society. There was nothing like the Internet in any of those.

And society? What kind of argument is that? You wanted a 4th point, but you couldn't think of one, so you thought of this? Before America, there was no society?
No, but before 1993, there wasn't much of a large global society called the Internet. That sets us apart from the rest: Being part of a global society. There was nothing like the Internet in any of those.
It'd be nice if we started acting like there was a global society instead of a global 'you better play along and buy our crap or we'll say you hate freedom and bomb the crap out of you...'

Seriously, even if the assesment that three different things brought down three empires and none of those aply to the US...that's dangerous thinking. The second empire felt it had solved the problems of the first, the third the problems of the other two. The fact that even by the examples that where given against (Colodia) had different things that took them down is an indicator that it isn't just one thing that collapses an empire. Sure the US has a lot of resources, but if it becomes too much of a hassle to get them from us, they'll go other places. And as this 'global community' spreads and establishes itself America becomes less and less the center. Sure it might not happen in the next ten years, or in our lifetimes, (give Bush another 4 years and it might happen before they're up) but it is very likely to happen.

Nero played while Rome was burning. Every empire/power thought it was invulnerable.

OA: I knew that stuff and was educated in California no less...they teach it. It's just not everyone pays attention.

To credit to American economic superiority on a strong dollar is fairly naive. It was ony 30 years ago that the dollar was considered highly unstable and inflation was in double-digits. During and after WW2 the dollar was on the silver standard and therfore had no relative strength against any oher currencies.

Historically empires have fallen when their military becomes weak. Currently that is not the state in the US. More recently the Soviet Union collapsed due to econoomic weakness, resulting in the inablilty to fund its bloated government, including military.

It would be a good thing to have other world economic powers comparable to the US. Currently the US economy is supporting most nations of the world. (hence the trade deficit) It would be a good thing if nations had more than just one major market (the US) to sell their wares. Good for all nations, even the US.

China has great prospects to become a super-power. Prosperity is growing rapidly there, much as a result of the increased civil liberties and freedoms. The Chinese are slowly embracing capitalism as a part of their culture - much as the US accepted parts of socialism into our own last century. There is likely a happy balance in between - best discussed in a different forum.

India lacks the military to be a super-power and really has no need for one beyond their own borders. I doubt there will be a day when Indian battle groups cruise the worlds oceans.

The EU wants to become an economic super-power but they still have a long way to go. Different nations are making progress, but it is a mixed bag.

The things that can destroy the US supremacy (as well as western nations in general) would be economic apathy. As more people are born into the 'give me' mindset there are fewer people willing or able to do the giving. Everybody wants more and more each day, but nobody is willing to bear out the pain of paying. Social Security is an excellent example. It is going to crash and burn and everyone knows it, yet nobody is willing to do a thing about it. The longer we wait the more expensive the solution. Same for all other social programs. The great give-away has prospects to bankrupt the country, ending our economic superiority.

The same goes in Europe only worse. Many European nations have vastly more expensive social prograns which will become unbearably top-heavy when the baby-boom comes of age.

Meanwhile, we argue about what the difference between a ribbon or a medal is, or what a honerable discahrge really means - blissfully ignorant of the storm we can all see on the horizon...

Carthage, Roman, Mongol, Aztec, British, French, Russian and German.

All great empires eventually fade away. Just as life inevitably leads to death, empires inevitably fall. American, as an Economic superpower, is at the zenith of its power. And it is all downhill from here.

America has become complacent in its position as a world power, just as the British, Romans, French etc were when they had imperialistic intents.
However, America's empire stems from its economy. Americanisation of the world has been due to the purchasing power of the dollar in countries recovering from WW2 / struggling to become industrialised nations (e.g. in the 3rd world), and needing American dollars.

However, it will only take another Wall St Crash to bring the Dollar's value crashing down, and therefore pave the way for China to take the reigns as the World leader


This is really just a note to all the flag waving & outspoken Americans who seem to both take their position as world leader as a "set in stone"... it's not going to last forever, and start being a little less vocal, otherwise you'll be eating a whole lot of (Chinese) humble pie in the future.



:wink: God Bless America!

:roll:

the us will I believe one day fall for I've read in the bible that a great nation will fall that'd be us I feel but thats just me. We are the best in the world far from perfect but the best. God bless america and god forgive those damn dirty europeans ! haha j/k (well sorta) and yes god bless those around the world.. who deserve it.

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Nero played while Rome was burning. =quote]

No, he didn't. He wasn't even in Rome at the time.

...... I don't know why that's important....

...i.e. equal distribution of wealth, and Conservatives work to impede the movement of currency toward equalization.There will NEVER be a way to distribute wealth equally in a free society. If you are free from the tyranny of taxes (the ability to increase wealth is as much a freedom as the ability for free speech is), wealth should not distribute equally. There are always people who are better at getting things than others. Different people have different talents. That's reality. Taking away something that one works for does not include any type of "fairness" principle.

...i.e. equal distribution of wealth, and Conservatives work to impede the movement of currency toward equalization.There will NEVER be a way to distribute wealth equally in a free society. If you are free from the tyranny of taxes (the ability to increase wealth is as much a freedom as the ability for free speech is), wealth should not distribute equally. There are always people who are better at getting things than others. Different people have different talents. That's reality. Taking away something that one works for does not include any type of "fairness" principle.
Finally, someone with brains.

A Yugoslavian style civil war is the future of America in my opinion. :cry:
Its unfortunate but all great empires fall one day. (BTW I am an American) My 2 cents. 8)