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Ahmed Chalabi's home was surrounded by US troops and Iraqi Police, and his offices were raided. No comment from the military yet, but he must have done something pretty bad for this.

It's because the administration is pissed at their little puppet boy because he suggested something like the US should get out of Iraq sooner.

It's because the administration is pissed at their little puppet boy because he suggested something like the US should get out of Iraq sooner.
I'll wait until more conclusive reports emerge to make my conclusion on why. So far, not even his spokesmen seems to have a clear reason.

from the article I read:

"I am America's best friend in Iraq," Chalabi told a news conference. "If the (coalition) finds it necessary to direct an armed attack against my home, you can see the state of relations between the (coalition) and the Iraqi people."

Musawi also said U.S. forces searched INC offices. Three security guards were arrested, though they were not linked to any allegations.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
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U.S. officials declined to comment on the raid. Privately, however, American authorities have said Chalabi is interfering with a U.S. investigation into allegations that Saddam Hussein's regime skimmed billions of dollars in oil revenues during the U.N.-run oil-for-food program.

Also, Chalabi complained recently about U.S. plans to retain control of Iraqi security forces and maintain widespread influence over political institutions after the transfer of power from the U.S.-led coalition to an Iraqi interim administration.

"It's a provocative operation, designed to force Dr. Chalabi to change his political stance," said Chalabi aide Qaisar Wotwot.

For years, Chalabi's INC received money from the Pentagon, in part for intelligence passed along by exiles about Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction.

Chalabi has been criticized since large stockpiles of such weapons were never found.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
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U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz confirmed earlier this week, during testimony before Congress, that Washington has ended those payments of $340,000 a month to Chalabi's organization.


source:

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040520/D82MHQOG1.html

It's because the administration is pissed at their little puppet boy because he suggested something like the US should get out of Iraq sooner.
I'll wait until more conclusive reports emerge to make my conclusion on why. So far, not even his spokesmen seems to have a clear reason.

I have heard some reports that he may have given classified information to Iran.. I've also heard it might have some thing to do with the Oil for Food program. They did remove his computers from his office. Oh, right, I've also heard that they are saying he might of been hiding fugitives in his compound as well.

Some thing that crossed my mind.. of course is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if they think maybe he had some thing to do with the President of the governing council getting killed the other day..

It is an interesting turn of events, given he was Washington's main man.. He had a large part in the Americans invading Iraq..I guess we shall find out soon enough..

from the article I read:

"I am America's best friend in Iraq," Chalabi told a news conference. "If the (coalition) finds it necessary to direct an armed attack against my home, you can see the state of relations between the (coalition) and the Iraqi people."

Musawi also said U.S. forces searched INC offices. Three security guards were arrested, though they were not linked to any allegations.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
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U.S. officials declined to comment on the raid. Privately, however, American authorities have said Chalabi is interfering with a U.S. investigation into allegations that Saddam Hussein's regime skimmed billions of dollars in oil revenues during the U.N.-run oil-for-food program.

Also, Chalabi complained recently about U.S. plans to retain control of Iraqi security forces and maintain widespread influence over political institutions after the transfer of power from the U.S.-led coalition to an Iraqi interim administration.

"It's a provocative operation, designed to force Dr. Chalabi to change his political stance," said Chalabi aide Qaisar Wotwot.

For years, Chalabi's INC received money from the Pentagon, in part for intelligence passed along by exiles about Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction.

Chalabi has been criticized since large stockpiles of such weapons were never found.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
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U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz confirmed earlier this week, during testimony before Congress, that Washington has ended those payments of $340,000 a month to Chalabi's organization.


source:

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040520/D82MHQOG1.html
Well, from what the situation is, the US government has a right to be suspicious. He of all Iraqis wanted us in the country, and now he's using his political clout to try and stop us, and hamper the UN. One can only wonder what else he's been doing. That's why his house and offices were raid. And quite frankly, I'm quite surprised he wasn't arrested.

maybe the administration is putting on this show so they can make it seem like they dont support corrupt people like Chalabi

but then again they support so much other corruption... who knows

I guess he reached the point where his paymasters could no longer safely overlook his corruption. Never mind. Someone of the same nature will fill his shoes in a flash.

I guess he reached the point where his paymasters could no longer safely overlook his corruption. Never mind. Someone of the same nature will fill his shoes in a flash.
You know, what's interesting was that about a year ago, the former heir to the Iraqi throne returned to Baghdad, and demanded a referundum about the possibility of a constitutional monarchy. Obviously, that's been largely ignored, but I think that may be needed. It'll help ease corruption, and at the same time, be far more democratic than anything currently in the Middle East (except maybe Qatar).

This is what you say:
Ahmed Chalabi's home was surrounded by US troops and Iraqi Police, and his offices were raided. No comment from the military yet, but he must have done something pretty bad for this.

This is what I imagine:

Ehmed Chelebee's hume-a ves soorruoonded by US truups und Ireqee Puleece-a, und hees ooffffeeces vere-a reeeded. Bork bork bork! Nu cumment frum zee meelitery yet, boot he-a moost hefe-a dune-a sumetheeng pretty bed fur thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
http://www.messygourmet.com/img/swedishchef.jpg

This is what you say:
Ahmed Chalabi's home was surrounded by US troops and Iraqi Police, and his offices were raided. No comment from the military yet, but he must have done something pretty bad for this.

This is what I imagine:

Ehmed Chelebee's hume-a ves soorruoonded by US truups und Ireqee Puleece-a, und hees ooffffeeces vere-a reeeded. Bork bork bork! Nu cumment frum zee meelitery yet, boot he-a moost hefe-a dune-a sumetheeng pretty bed fur thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
http://www.messygourmet.com/img/swedishchef.jpg
I take it you don't care. Quite frankly, neither do I. I just find it funny how attitudes can change so quickly there. First, he does everything in his power to get US troops there. Now, he's doing everything in his power, possibly criminal means, to get US troops out of there. Weird how some people can change in about a year, I think.

He was a very close friend of Dick Cheny, Don Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.

Let this be a warning to their remaining close friends...if they have any.

I guess he reached the point where his paymasters could no longer safely overlook his corruption. Never mind. Someone of the same nature will fill his shoes in a flash.

You're probably right in this anaylsis. He is a liability to the coalition and is really distrusted by Iraqi people. I guess even Wolfowitz and Cheney have realized it is time to cut their losses. I strongly suspect that the "someone to fill his shoes" you point to was already in place before todays action against him were formalized. Unless this is a tactic to legitimize him in Iraqi eyes by seeming to discredit him in western eyes.

Below is a snip from another post I put up on this character, Consider the above my updated view.

SHL

A good pose for one who is perhaps primed to if not become PM, at be least the power behind the throne. Smoke and mirrors might be more like it. International politics is more like if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it is probably a sheep in wolves clothing. UPI (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040329-094918-2616r) offers one such view. In short form, How much of this is posturing to distract observers?

Despite the apparently factual and commonly asserted belief that Chalabi was the puppet master whose disinformation led the Bushies into attacking Saddam (by providing false information regarding WMD and especially the development of nukes) he has a seat on the Iraqi Governing Council with White House support for his legitimacy as a representative of the people of Iraq.

This is a questionable assertion since he has been out of the country for 45 years. His ability as an upright administrator begs discussion of his 1992 Jordanian conviction in absentia on 31 counts of theft, embezzlement and illegal currency speculation that occurred at his hand at his Petra (roughly translated "Rock:) Bank. $500 million evaporated. Eight short years later he finds himself seated next to Laura Bush at the January 2004 State Of The Union address as befits his position as, (drumroll please) the senior member of the Governing Council’s economic and finance committee.

Not surprisingly, evidence has begun to emerge that Chalabi is, once again, involved in corrupt activity. Two contracts worth a total of $400 million have recently been awarded to a start-up company run by Chalabi’s old friend and business partner, Abdul Huda Farouki. One of the contracts was for securing Iraq’s oil infrastructure. Members of Chalabi’s militia now staff Farouki’s security force, which guards a number of oil installations and pipelines. Newsday cited an “industry source” who claimed that Chalabi received a $2 million kickback for ensuring that his friend won the contract.

Chalabi is widely despised by ordinary Iraqis. He topped the list in a recent opinion poll in which respondents were asked who was the least trusted political figure in Iraq. (Saddam had an approval rating of 3.3% while Chalabi earned a 0.2%. When asked about who they distrust Chalabi topped the poll with a 10.3% coming in second to Saddam Hussein who got a 3.1% ) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_03_04_iraqsurvey.pdf) Viewed as nothing more than a puppet of the Bush administration, Chalabi’s ritual denial of any desire to rule Iraq is regarded as a diplomatic ploy. “George Washington turned [the presidency] down many times,” his chief aide, Francis Brooke, told Business Week. “I wouldn’t be surprised if the Iraqi people prevail on (Chalabi).”

So then I stand corrected on many issues. Not the least of which is Ahmed Chalabi is a wolf in sheep's clothing posing as a sheep in wolf's clothing. Today we voice strong emotion against each other. Tomorrow a reapproachment and reconciliation is in the cards. But this is not too surprising in the surreal world of geopolitics.

SHL

This is what you say:
Ahmed Chalabi's home was surrounded by US troops and Iraqi Police, and his offices were raided. No comment from the military yet, but he must have done something pretty bad for this.

This is what I imagine:

Ehmed Chelebee's hume-a ves soorruoonded by US truups und Ireqee Puleece-a, und hees ooffffeeces vere-a reeeded. Bork bork bork! Nu cumment frum zee meelitery yet, boot he-a moost hefe-a dune-a sumetheeng pretty bed fur thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
http://www.messygourmet.com/img/swedishchef.jpg
I take it you don't care. Quite frankly, neither do I. I just find it funny how attitudes can change so quickly there. First, he does everything in his power to get US troops there. Now, he's doing everything in his power, possibly criminal means, to get US troops out of there. Weird how some people can change in about a year, I think.It's not that I don't care. It's just that I love the Swedish Chef.

with 20/20 hindsight I think our biggest mistake in vietnam was backing a corrupt government. hopefully we've learned from that, the next guy better be squeeky clean, that is, if such an Iraqi polotician exists

with 20/20 hindsight I think our biggest mistake in vietnam was backing a corrupt government. hopefully we've learned from that, the next guy better be squeeky clean, that is, if such an Iraqi polotician exists

Let's try that again, just delete Iraqi.

No wait! You better delete politician also.

No wait! Better yet . . . never mind, you better breathe - you're turning purple. :wink:

SHL

Intresing, if only I hadn't become amoral today.

As far as I've heard, it has something (a lot) to do with the Oil for "Food" scandal.

from the article I read:

"I am America's best friend in Iraq," Chalabi told a news conference. "If the (coalition) finds it necessary to direct an armed attack against my home, you can see the state of relations between the (coalition) and the Iraqi people."

Musawi also said U.S. forces searched INC offices. Three security guards were arrested, though they were not linked to any allegations.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
Full Image


U.S. officials declined to comment on the raid. Privately, however, American authorities have said Chalabi is interfering with a U.S. investigation into allegations that Saddam Hussein's regime skimmed billions of dollars in oil revenues during the U.N.-run oil-for-food program.

Also, Chalabi complained recently about U.S. plans to retain control of Iraqi security forces and maintain widespread influence over political institutions after the transfer of power from the U.S.-led coalition to an Iraqi interim administration.

"It's a provocative operation, designed to force Dr. Chalabi to change his political stance," said Chalabi aide Qaisar Wotwot.

For years, Chalabi's INC received money from the Pentagon, in part for intelligence passed along by exiles about Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction.

Chalabi has been criticized since large stockpiles of such weapons were never found.


(AP) A group of graduating Iraqi Army non-commissioned officers (NCO's) and squad leaders march during...
Full Image


U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz confirmed earlier this week, during testimony before Congress, that Washington has ended those payments of $340,000 a month to Chalabi's organization.


source:

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040520/D82MHQOG1.html
Well, from what the situation is, the US government has a right to be suspicious. He of all Iraqis wanted us in the country, and now he's using his political clout to try and stop us, and hamper the UN. One can only wonder what else he's been doing. That's why his house and offices were raid. And quite frankly, I'm quite surprised he wasn't arrested.
MWAHAHAH!
You bankrolled this weasel for years, rebroadcasted his BS about WMDs as holy truth, and now that he's double-crossed you y'all are upset.
I LOVE IT! :twisted:

Salon.com, of course, has been having a field day with the Chalabi situation.

Here's there article on the Chalabi and the neocons (warning: it's quite long):
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/index.html

And here's their take on the immediate causes of the raid:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/20/chalabi/index.html

To access the articles, click on the link, then on salon.com page click on Free Day Pass, sit thru a commercial, and then click on the direct link again (or find it in the News & Politics section).

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

It's because the administration is pissed at their little puppet boy because he suggested something like the US should get out of Iraq sooner.
I'll wait until more conclusive reports emerge to make my conclusion on why. So far, not even his spokesmen seems to have a clear reason.

I have heard some reports that he may have given classified information to Iran.. I've also heard it might have some thing to do with the Oil for Food program. They did remove his computers from his office. Oh, right, I've also heard that they are saying he might of been hiding fugitives in his compound as well.

Some thing that crossed my mind.. of course is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if they think maybe he had some thing to do with the President of the governing council getting killed the other day..

It is an interesting turn of events, given he was Washington's main man.. He had a large part in the Americans invading Iraq..I guess we shall find out soon enough..
Only 39 more days til Christmas, er American hand over of *cough* power.

Oh but wait....the interim Council President was assassinated, another scandal about abuse at the Intelligence level was reported today (should be interesting), http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5024068/ and now their point man Chalabi is being investigated. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5019721/ All the while, the other abusers are going to court (quick huh), and a shootup at a wedding killing 40 innocent Iraqis. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5013551/ Oh and Fahrenheit 911 just played at the Cannes Festival and should be in North America soon, at the Toronto Film Festival.

Could be an interesting month or two?

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!

And that one shell was obviously a leftover from the days when Saddam was a "good gu" fighting the nasty Iranians. If Saddam really had so many weapons of mass destruction ready to go, why on earth were none of them used in defence of his regime?
And why have no others been found?
Even Bush and co look embarrassed when WMDs are mentioned now, which is why they concentrate on the removal of an evil regime scenario.
Now, of course, the ungrateful Iraqis refuse to recognise how much better off they are being tortured, killed and abused by a democratic albeit foreign nation.

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!

And that one shell was obviously a leftover from the days when Saddam was a "good guy" fighting the nasty Iranians. If Saddam really had so many weapons of mass destruction ready to go, why on earth were none of them used in defence of his regime?
And why have no others been found?
Even Bush and co look embarrassed when WMDs are mentioned now, which is why they concentrate on the removal of an evil regime scenario.
Now, of course, the ungrateful Iraqis refuse to recognise how much better off they are being tortured, killed and abused by a democratic albeit foreign nation.

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!1 drop of sarin can kill a person.. heck, half of a drop could.

Strap 1 gallon of that to a bomb.

Put it in a populated area

You could kill 1000 people easy.

That's a WMD in my book. Crude, but it counts, just like any other chem weapon, or dirty bomb.

Of course, it isn't a stockpile. (Those would be in syria... where we SHOULD be right now)

EDIT: BTW, I never saw Sarin spelt, thanks

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!

And that one shell was obviously a leftover from the days when Saddam was a "good guy" fighting the nasty Iranians. If Saddam really had so many weapons of mass destruction ready to go, why on earth were none of them used in defence of his regime?
And why have no others been found?
Even Bush and co look embarrassed when WMDs are mentioned now, which is why they concentrate on the removal of an evil regime scenario.
Now, of course, the ungrateful Iraqis refuse to recognise how much better off they are being tortured, killed and abused by a democratic albeit foreign nation.yes, because we all know that a couple of idiot pranksters taking naked photos is equivelant to forcing a mother watch her 2 year old daughter have every bone broken in her body one by one until she changed her vote towards saddam... or a group of businessmen, blamed for the failure of the economy, having their hands cut off and x's marked into their foreheads, etc etc... let alone Nick burg's torturous and brutal death. *roll*

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!1 drop of sarin can kill a person.. heck, half of a drop could.

Strap 1 gallon of that to a bomb.

Put it in a populated area

You could kill 1000 people easy.

That's a WMD in my book. Crude, but it counts, just like any other chem weapon, or dirty bomb.

Of course, it isn't a stockpile. (Those would be in syria... where we SHOULD be right now)

EDIT: BTW, I never saw Sarin spelt, thanks

Why just Syria? How about Iran, in fact all those nasty Muslim countries.
Aren't you in sufficient mess in Iraq and Afghanistan?
If you really want to go after WMDs, there is still North Korea.remember.
Mind you, the nation with the most WMDs, a record of using them, and a "pre-emptive strike" policy is of course the good ol' USA.
Or are their WMDs only the nice ones?

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!1 drop of sarin can kill a person.. heck, half of a drop could.

Strap 1 gallon of that to a bomb.

Put it in a populated area

You could kill 1000 people easy.

That's a WMD in my book. Crude, but it counts, just like any other chem weapon, or dirty bomb.

Of course, it isn't a stockpile. (Those would be in syria... where we SHOULD be right now)

EDIT: BTW, I never saw Sarin spelt, thanks

Why just Syria? How about Iran, in fact all those nasty Muslim countries.
Aren't you in sufficient mess in Iraq and Afghanistan?
If you really want to go after WMDs, there is still North Korea.remember.
Mind you, the nation with the most WMDs, a record of using them, and a "pre-emptive strike" policy is of course the good ol' USA.
Or are their WMDs only the nice ones?Bomb Iran too.

We need to fight Radical Islam EVERYWHERE that it thrives.

I seriously hope Bush can step up to the plate next year and go all-out on the middle east.

As for n. Korea... your buddy Clinton GAVE them their WMDs :P

And as for us... Nukes are reserved for total war. This is not total war, we are trying to limit civillian casualties.

The reason we have to go up aganst [/i]terrorists[/i] with WMDs is because Terrorists do not fall under MAD (mutually assured destruction.) If a terrorist uses a nuke on us, we have no one to shoot back at.

Bomb Iran too.

We need to fight Radical Islam EVERYWHERE that it thrives.

I seriously hope Bush can step up to the plate next year and go all-out on the middle east.

You sound alot like the people the US is fighting.

Bomb Iran too.

We need to fight Radical Islam EVERYWHERE that it thrives.

I seriously hope Bush can step up to the plate next year and go all-out on the middle east.

You sound alot like the people the US is fighting.

Agree. I think the radical Christians are as dangerous as the radical Muslims.

Oh, wait, strike my last post... this is a different guy.

This is the guy they think is giving crucial US intelligence to Iran...

Then they should bloody well encourage him.
This is the same fool who supposedly gave "crucial intelligence" to the US regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, earning a free trip and a chance to grab a political base, courtesy of the US. Or are you still in denial about that one?Since the whole serin discovery, I have been reaffirmed on the fact that Iraq had WMDs at some recent point.
Oh yeah, a grand total of 1 (one) shell with sarin (learn to spell!).
Be afraid, be very afraid!1 drop of sarin can kill a person.. heck, half of a drop could.

Strap 1 gallon of that to a bomb.

Put it in a populated area

You could kill 1000 people easy.

That's a WMD in my book. Crude, but it counts, just like any other chem weapon, or dirty bomb.

Of course, it isn't a stockpile. (Those would be in syria... where we SHOULD be right now)

EDIT: BTW, I never saw Sarin spelt, thanks
That shell with sarin that was fashioned into an IED did explode. So why did the soldiers who were near the bomb survive -- if you claim that sarin is so deadly?

The fact of the matter is that when one chooses to use CBW in the open battlefield, it is necessary to launch several hundred artillery shells at the enemy to create a sufficiently high concentration of poisonous agents in the air. Whether there is just one or ten old sarin shells lying somewhere about Iraq right now, the U.S. (and farkin' Bliar) have come up with absolutely zero proof that Iraq had anything like a militarily useful arsenal of WMD, let alone had them deployed and ready to use against the invading forces.

Oh, and if you are still worried about folks with as little as one shell of sarin, then add Japan to your to-be-invaded list :wink: That, or spend some time wondering how Aum Shinrikyo got their hands on sarin without having any connection to any rogue state -- and what are the implications of this for terrorists wishing to use CBW against Americans.

Bomb Iran too.

We need to fight Radical Islam EVERYWHERE that it thrives.

I seriously hope Bush can step up to the plate next year and go all-out on the middle east.

You sound alot like the people the US is fighting.

Agree. I think the radical Christians are as dangerous as the radical Muslims.

The key term there (and in any case) is radical.

It's because the administration is pissed at their little puppet boy because he suggested something like the US should get out of Iraq sooner.
I'll wait until more conclusive reports emerge to make my conclusion on why. So far, not even his spokesmen seems to have a clear reason.

I have heard some reports that he may have given classified information to Iran.. I've also heard it might have some thing to do with the Oil for Food program. They did remove his computers from his office. Oh, right, I've also heard that they are saying he might of been hiding fugitives in his compound as well.

Some thing that crossed my mind.. of course is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if they think maybe he had some thing to do with the President of the governing council getting killed the other day..

It is an interesting turn of events, given he was Washington's main man.. He had a large part in the Americans invading Iraq..I guess we shall find out soon enough..
Only 39 more days til Christmas, er American hand over of *cough* power.

Oh but wait....the interim Council President was assassinated, another scandal about abuse at the Intelligence level was reported today (should be interesting), http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5024068/ and now their point man Chalabi is being investigated. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5019721/ All the while, the other abusers are going to court (quick huh), and a shootup at a wedding killing 40 innocent Iraqis. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5013551/ Oh and Fahrenheit 911 just played at the Cannes Festival and should be in North America soon, at the Toronto Film Festival.

Could be an interesting month or two?
The Iraqi Governing Concil was intended to make sure that Iraqis had a degree of civilian control within the CPA, but it isn't sufficient for governance when the CPA is disbanded. After all, a concil with no real leader would be a mess in handling any security features. The best option was probably the caucus idea, which the Iraqis rejected. So a good plan B is Mr. Brahimi's plan, which the Iraqis should really look at. It's much better suited to handle their own security, while still maintaining an element of representation. Aylotollah al-Sistani's demand for elections, while understandable, is just simply impossible at this time, unless we want to see criminal gangs, such as the Mahdi Army, plunging Iraq back into anarchy. It'd make a perfect breeding ground for al-Qaeda, and invite only more US troops that'll have to be even tougher than now. After all, if we really wanted to, the troops in Iraq are more than sufficient to level the entire country into smitherines.