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Jabba the Hut Hates America (http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/index.html)

Jabba the Hut Hates America (http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/index.html)

Michael Moore doesn't hate America... he may just have a different vision of what America is suppose to be.. that doesn't mean he hates America, further more, it's funny how all his books hit the best sellers list in America and his movies make millions upon millions of dollars in America, seems to me a lot of people agree with his vision of America.. Perhaps not your cup of tea.. but that doesn't mean others don't agree with him. Just because some one doesn't agree with you.. doesn't mean the guy hates his country. Too much of that is going on these days. If you dare to dissent, you must be an anti-American or hate America in some way.. Kind of takes you back to the days of Senator Joe McCarthy now doesn't it?

Yes not veryt democratic to only allow certain views.
Not that I'm saying democracy is good. It's banned in my nation.

It will be interesting to see Bush's family connections to the Bin Laden family....

It will be interesting to see Bush's family connections to the Bin Laden family....

Oh heck, you don't have to wait for the movie to come out for that.. read this..

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

'Jabba the hut'?... typical how right-wingers, when asked to account for their beliefs, choose to insult the questioner rather than answer the question.

Yes it probably is a propaganda movie of sorts and much of what Moore says should be taken with a heavy pinch of salt... that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to release the film. It's innovative to do something like this in an election year, more entertaining than a partisan election broadcast showing Bush kissing babies in Georgia or Kerry at some ticker tape reception in Iowa to the soundtrack of patriotic music. It's going to be a controversial movie, but it's got people of both left and right thinking and engaging in debate before it's even released (if it will ever be released), which why I like Michael Moore even if I don't agree with everything he says.

Jabba the Hut Hates America (http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/index.html)

Michael Moore doesn't hate America... he may just have a different vision of what America is suppose to be.. that doesn't mean he hates America, further more, it's funny how all his books hit the best sellers list in America and his movies make millions upon millions of dollars in America, seems to me a lot of people agree with his vision of America.. Perhaps not your cup of tea.. but that doesn't mean others don't agree with him. Just because some one doesn't agree with you.. doesn't mean the guy hates his country. Too much of that is going on these days. If you dare to dissent, you must be an anti-American or hate America in some way.. Kind of takes you back to the days of Senator Joe McCarthy now doesn't it?

People see it so they can laugh Steph, just so they can laugh.

I don't like Michael Moore, but I also don't like it when people write a book with the purpose of bad mouthing someone else who has been successful, like the Trouble with Dilbert book.

"Too much of that is going on these days. If you dare to dissent, you must be an anti-American or hate America in some way" --- I wouldn't say that, I mean Kerry does seem to be very pro Bush, but isn't seen as a dissenter.

Be happy if you live in the US it is much more free than the UK.

Be happy if you live in the US it is much more free than the UK.

I don't live in either, I live in Canada, which is more free then both, thanks ;)

Be happy if you live in the US it is much more free than the UK.

I don't live in either, I live in Canada, which is more free then both, thanks ;)


I know, I was saying it in General,

How is Canada, the land of the Free,

Not the land of the Free Market, or the Land of the Expensive (UK).

More free? That just doesn't sound right. Maybe, "I don't live in either, I live in Canada, which has more freedom than both. Thanks ;)" With that, damn you for living in Canada - I wanna live there. :P There or Australia. Oh, and good mornin everyone :P

Be happy if you live in the US it is much more free than the UK.

ACK! what? care to explain this please? and please don't mention guns, i'm quite happy not to have the freedom to own a firearm.

The movie is called Farenheit 9/11, and is about how the truth is supressed from the public by the government.

Now you say he's anti american? Since when were secrecy, lies, public panic and dodgy dealings held up as american values? If you didn't like Clinton, do you hate America? If you didn't like LBJ, do you hate America? If you didn't like Nixon do you hate America? I think not. So why is hating Bush a crime against all things from apple pie to the stars and stripes?

Be happy if you live in the US it is much more free than the UK.

ACK! what? care to explain this please? and please don't mention guns, i'm quite happy not to have the freedom to own a firearm.ID cards mebe, but we don't have them yet.

Michael Moore hates freedom!

We should call hime Michael France!

You don't have a government breathing down your back saying where to eat, government programs saying how to live. You can also walk down the street, even if foreign and not be searched as a terrorist. The USA is more free because it has a free market, Britain isn't so close. We also have no constitution, and no rights.

*wonders how those gathered in this thread view Jello Biafra ...*

Britain has a very ancient (unwritten) constitution.

We should call hime Michael France!
That Feedom Fries lunacy lost my last shred of faith in the stereotypical American. Fortunately, not everone's a stereotype.

Britain has a very ancient (unwritten) constitution.

Not really even that, we have a tradition of rights, which allows a Prime Minister to have no respect for the Commons and realise ideas through the papers.

*wonders how those gathered in this thread view Jello Biafra ...*

As a wondeful human being with some great ideas (policemen dressed as clowns!), and the leader of possibly the best punk band ever (before they got all spitefull and greedy).

You don't have a government breathing down your back saying where to eat, government programs saying how to live. You can also walk down the street, even if foreign and not be searched as a terrorist. The USA is more free because it has a free market, Britain isn't so close. We also have no constitution, and no rights.

OK maybe if people are getting annoyed with this we could move it to another thread but for now i'll reply to this answer. What are these government programs telling you how to eat and live? dont't think i've ever heard of them. Foreign people getting searched in the street for being a terrorist? when and where does this happen? I dont think it matters that we don't have a constittution, when has it ever affected anything recently?

Has anyone actually watched the trailer? Apparently the movie is all about this guys who hates micheal moore, making a documentary about himself, so it seems. Interesting eh?

No, not really. The film doesnt even try to refute any of Moores claims, it seems, it just states how he hates America, and how the Film maker can't get an interview with him. Dumbass.

'Jabba the hut'?... typical how right-wingers, when asked to account for their beliefs, choose to insult the questioner rather than answer the question.

Yes it probably is a propaganda movie of sorts and much of what Moore says should be taken with a heavy pinch of salt... that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to release the film. It's innovative to do something like this in an election year, more entertaining than a partisan election broadcast showing Bush kissing babies in Georgia or Kerry at some ticker tape reception in Iowa to the soundtrack of patriotic music. It's going to be a controversial movie, but it's got people of both left and right thinking and engaging in debate before it's even released (if it will ever be released), which why I like Michael Moore even if I don't agree with everything he says.So because I don't like Moore, I'm automatically a right winger? How typical of the left wingers to label me a righty because I don't agree with everything they do. I am very moderate, and I am registered as independent. I dislike Moore very strongly because he has lied to so many people with Bowling for Columbine. Look up "Hardy Law" on Google, and you'll see what i mean.

*wonders how those gathered in this thread view Jello Biafra ...*
I support his clown suits on market street fridays.

Jabba the Hut Hates America (http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/index.html)
Too much of that is going on these days. If you dare to dissent, you must be an anti-American or hate America in some way.. Kind of takes you back to the days of Senator Joe McCarthy now doesn't it?

Come on Steph! You know many people here just thought "Senator WHO?" :wink:

And you know a couple thought "What's a Senator?" :lol:

Then there are few that thought "The good ol' days when that great american was defending this country!" :roll:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste so I think I will go waste it! :wink:

Michael Moore... a self-proclaimed profit!

He has some good ideas... but when it boils down to it... he's an ASS HOLE!

So because I don't like Moore, I'm automatically a right winger? How typical of the left wingers to label me a righty because I don't agree with everything they do. I am very moderate, and I am registered as independent. I dislike Moore very strongly because he has lied to so many people with Bowling for Columbine. Look up "Hardy Law" on Google, and you'll see what i mean.

You choose to refute Michael Moore by bringing up something from David Hardy? :roll: Are you seriously using Hardy as your rebuttal? Why not just say that Moore is a liar because you heard Bill O'Reilly say so? Its very difficult for one fringe to discredit the other fringe when their whole purpose in life is to spin things in their own sides' favor.

So because I don't like Moore, I'm automatically a right winger? How typical of the left wingers to label me a righty because I don't agree with everything they do. I am very moderate, and I am registered as independent. I dislike Moore very strongly because he has lied to so many people with Bowling for Columbine. Look up "Hardy Law" on Google, and you'll see what i mean.

You choose to refute Michael Moore by bringing up something from David Hardy? :roll: Are you seriously using Hardy as your rebuttal? Why not just say that Moore is a liar because you heard Bill O'Reilly say so? Its very difficult for one fringe to discredit the other fringe when their whole purpose in life is to spin things in their own sides' favor.http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

He provides more than enough evidence at that site. Not that I expect you to check it out or anything.

I checked your site. I stand by my initial statement. Hardy isn't a credible rebuttal.

*wonders how those gathered in this thread view Jello Biafra ...*

As a wondeful human being with some great ideas (policemen dressed as clowns!), and the leader of possibly the best punk band ever (before they got all spitefull and greedy).

As an arrogant swine who seems to have made a major part of his post-DK career pissing off and insulting those people who are still trying to work in alternative culture.

I checked your site. I stand by my initial statement. Hardy isn't a credible rebuttal.It seems to me that he provides pretty solid evidence. What is it that makes you say he isn't credible. I've shown my evidence, now you show yours.

Michael Moore works to make America better, which is a true sign that he loves this country. Republicans hate America for the sake of hate and bigotry. They hate Americans that are gay, don't pray to the same God as them, that don't flauth their patriotism often enough, or basically anyone who disagrees with their views and isn't rich white and wealthy enough. People can rightly say Republicans aren't hateful, but the agenda does reflect the attitudes I listed.

Michael Moore works to make America better, which is a true sign that he loves this country. Republicans hate America for the sake of hate and bigotry. They hate Americans that are gay, don't pray to the same God as them, that don't flauth their patriotism often enough, or basically anyone who disagrees with their views and isn't rich white and wealthy enough. People can rightly say Republicans aren't hateful, but the agenda does reflect the attitudes I listed.Well as long as we're generalizing: All democrats do drugs, have promiscuous sex, and sympathize with terrorists.

I checked your site. I stand by my initial statement. Hardy isn't a credible rebuttal.It seems to me that he provides pretty solid evidence. What is it that makes you say he isn't credible. I've shown my evidence, now you show yours.
All that site does is demonstrate a lack of ability to read text and a massive misunderstanding of how documentaries are structured. I made the mistake of giving people who refered to that site the benifit of the doubt. Worthless.

*wonders how those gathered in this thread view Jello Biafra ...*

Brilliant. Disagree with a lot of his ideas, but great expression. (My brother uses the DKs in his classical music composition class at Grinnell.)

Michael Moore works to make America better, which is a true sign that he loves this country. Republicans hate America for the sake of hate and bigotry. They hate Americans that are gay, don't pray to the same God as them, that don't flauth their patriotism often enough, or basically anyone who disagrees with their views and isn't rich white and wealthy enough. People can rightly say Republicans aren't hateful, but the agenda does reflect the attitudes I listed.Well as long as we're generalizing: All democrats do drugs, have promiscuous sex, and sympathize with terrorists.
So there isn't an amendment by the president on the republican agenda that bans gay marriage? There aren't republican senators that liken homosexuality to child molesters and beastiality? They don't challenge people like Michael Moore's patriotism by, lets say, making and promoting a movie called Michael Moore Hates America? THA made an assement based on agenda and legislation on the books, and you backed him up by challenging his patriotism (sympathize with terrorists) and judging his sexuality. Congradulations.

Michael Moore works to make America better, which is a true sign that he loves this country. Republicans hate America for the sake of hate and bigotry. They hate Americans that are gay, don't pray to the same God as them, that don't flauth their patriotism often enough, or basically anyone who disagrees with their views and isn't rich white and wealthy enough. People can rightly say Republicans aren't hateful, but the agenda does reflect the attitudes I listed.

:roll:

:::smacks the hippy:::

Just for the record - I am a pro-gay marriage, atheist Buddhist, of very modest means. I am the libertarian wing of the GOP, which is bigger than you can possibly imagine, so STFU, you bigot!

Though Michael Moore's films are propaganda, they are still quite entertaining.

Wow that dude is uglier than Michael Moore, and I thought it'd be hard to top a 40 year old fat bald guy.

Is it too bold to say that niether Democrats, nor Republicans have all that bad of ideaologies? I think if instead of bashing the other side we should all look at the positives and negatives of each (They both have em) and realize that there is a reason for someones political affiliation beyond that they are "Just Stupid."
Yeah.

As a Canadian, I don't think we're freer than America at all. We can't get HBO, MTV, Comedy Central, etc., because the government thinks it has to protect us from our un-Canadian viewing habits. Instead we get pale imitations. In Ontario, you can't buy beer except at the government monopoly beer store. In Quebec, you will be harassed and prosecuted if you don't print French larger than English. Not to mention the lack of freedom to pursue private avenues of health care.

As a Canadian, I don't think we're freer than America at all. We can't get HBO, MTV, Comedy Central, etc., because the government thinks it has to protect us from our un-Canadian viewing habits. Instead we get pale imitations. In Ontario, you can't buy beer except at the government monopoly beer store. In Quebec, you will be harassed and prosecuted if you don't print French larger than English. Not to mention the lack of freedom to pursue private avenues of health care.

You base freedom on whether we get HBO? :roll:

As a Canadian, I don't think we're freer than America at all. We can't get HBO, MTV, Comedy Central, etc., because the government thinks it has to protect us from our un-Canadian viewing habits. Instead we get pale imitations. In Ontario, you can't buy beer except at the government monopoly beer store. In Quebec, you will be harassed and prosecuted if you don't print French larger than English. Not to mention the lack of freedom to pursue private avenues of health care.

You base freedom on whether we get HBO? :roll:

Thats not what he meant at all. Sorry, Steph but I thought what you said was pretty mean...

I watched Bowling for Columbine a few nights ago and I must say that though Mr. Moore made several valid points, he is still a major asshole. He is correct that the American media does make its living off of the public's panic. The government does have many flaws. We did back Osama when he was killing Russians. Also, some people shouldn't be able to own a firearm.

BUT, we still have it better than 99% of the world here in America. We can say whatever we want here. We can even make movies that ridicule our very own "oppressive, corrupt" government (hint hint). The statement that Osama Bin Laden used his "expert CIA training" to destroy the twin towers is a foolish notion. Moore comes very close to saying that 9/11 was poetic justice. If he had he would have been shot; by me. I agree that Charlton Heston is an overbearing idiot, but he has Alzhiemers for God's sake! The main thing that pissed me off about that movie was the assumption that white people have villified blacks. The very idea of the NRA springing from the KKK is stupid. Come on folks, there are better ways to express your unhappiness with the US government than to back this truth-bending moron.