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Nip/tuck rocks..
But plastic surgery should be made illegal...

How can you nip/tuck a rock.

And do they like it.

How much would you charge....

Oh, you take out a vein here, cut back a strata there, shave off all those annoying little pebbles ... it's pricey, mind - costs an arm and a leg (that's why rocks don't have any)

Oh, you take out a vein here, cut back a strata there, shave off all those annoying little pebbles ... it's pricey, mind - costs an arm and a leg (that's why rocks don't have any)*does the thread a favour and sets lutton on fire*
"back to the spam threads with you my lad"

anyway... i have nothing against plastic surgery... if you got deformed in a workplace accident, i think you would want it.

As much as I don't agree with the idea/s behind most people's decisions to get plastic surgery, I certainly don't think it should be made illegal.

If you were born with a physical abnormality, or were mutilated in some sort of presumably horrific accident, then I think it's fine.

What I don't agree with is the fact that people who are 100% normal looking get it done "to feel better about themselves". If pissing away hundreds to thousands of dollars to have a doctor play mad scientist on your body is the only way that you can gain some form of self confidence or self worth, then you need help.

Oh, you take out a vein here, cut back a strata there, shave off all those annoying little pebbles ... it's pricey, mind - costs an arm and a leg (that's why rocks don't have any)*does the thread a favour and sets lutton on fire*
"back to the spam threads with you my lad"

anyway... i have nothing against plastic surgery... if you got deformed in a workplace accident, i think you would want it.

*Beats fire out and scowls at Lapse*

that explains your botoxed eyebrows and collagened lips, then?

What I don't agree with is the fact that people who are 100% normal looking get it done "to feel better about themselves". If pissing away hundreds to thousands of dollars to have a doctor play mad scientist on your body is the only way that you can gain some form of self confidence or self worth, then you need help.

If, however, it does make them feel better about themselves, then who are you to complain? (...apart from on the grounds that they are supporting a culture of body-fascism...)

*shakes head*

:lol:

What I don't agree with is the fact that people who are 100% normal looking get it done "to feel better about themselves". If pissing away hundreds to thousands of dollars to have a doctor play mad scientist on your body is the only way that you can gain some form of self confidence or self worth, then you need help.

If, however, it does make them feel better about themselves, then who are you to complain? (...apart from on the grounds that they are supporting a culture of body-fascism...)

Curious about your name, BWO; does it have to do with this body-fixation we seem to have?

Curious about your name, BWO; does it have to do with this body-fixation we seem to have?

No - its a philosophical idea put forward by the French theorists Deleuze and Guattari* about self-organising systems. A BWO is a body which is not defined by its internal structures. A potato or rhizome is an example on such an entity - it can bud from anywhere, or can send out a root from anywhere. They take this idea and run with it: here is someone else's explanation of the concept (I am not in complete agreement with all their opinions, though)...

The Body without Organs is a limit. In particular, it is the limit at which all the flows which constitute the world flow completely freely, each into the others, so that no distinctions exist among them any longer. Flows?, you ask. D&G describe a world in which everything flows and everything is made of flows: not only water, air, magma, blood, paint, electricity, not only grass, earth, sun, but ideas, people, culture, books, conversations flow. What allows us to distinguish these flows from each other, to single out one or another, is a threshold or a point which separates each of them. Every flow is made by cutting off another flow, by restricting or drawing off a flow.

But, in some sense, a flow does not want to be cut-off, to be restricted. This desire, the desire of a flow to flow unconstrained, is the BwO. The BwO is real, since the desire is real, in fact, the BwO just is desire. But it is abstract, for it is a limit: flows are never free, but always interrupted. Without the interruption and the desire, the flow and its break, there would be no world at all.

Why "Body-without-Organs"? The absence of organs means the lack of organization, or the fact that the BwO is not broken down into parts distinct from each other. It remains a body, though, even if it only ever presents itself as an attractor or repeller, a surface to slip over or bounce off of. For no sooner does a flow return to the BwO, then it is reconstituted as part of another flow, distinguishing itself from its surroundings. Nothing lives in the BwO, only over its surface. Since it allows no distinctions, no identity, it is effectively sterile, a degree zero; the complete freedom of the BwO is also the undifferentiated of death.

The BwO makes paradoxical (!) the problem of freedom. On the one hand, freedom is the freedom to flow without constraint, the freedom of autonomy. On the other hand, this same freedom is only death. What would be a limited freedom? This paradox of freedom is studied as the paradox of capitalism in _Anti-Oedipus_. If capitalism can make everything fall back on the BwO (of capital), then how far can it go toward this limit?

http://webpages.ursinus.edu/rrichter/bwodefinition.html








* technically a Basque, but he was based in France.

I think that by most peoples yardsticks, opinions on these sort of minor issues should not be legislated.

I'm against plastic surgery like Boob jobs, sex changes and face-work (unless correcting a deformation/accident wound)

Example:

http://www.ananova.com/images/web/55360.jpg

Curious about your name, BWO; does it have to do with this body-fixation we seem to have?

No - its a philosophical idea put forward by the French theorists Deleuze and Guattari* about self-organising systems. A BWO is a body which is not defined by its internal structures. A potato or rhizome is an example on such an entity - it can bud from anywhere, or can send out a root from anywhere. They take this idea and run with it: here is someone else's explanation of the concept (I am not in complete agreement with all their opinions, though)...

The Body without Organs is a limit. In particular, it is the limit at which all the flows which constitute the world flow completely freely, each into the others, so that no distinctions exist among them any longer. Flows?, you ask. D&G describe a world in which everything flows and everything is made of flows: not only water, air, magma, blood, paint, electricity, not only grass, earth, sun, but ideas, people, culture, books, conversations flow. What allows us to distinguish these flows from each other, to single out one or another, is a threshold or a point which separates each of them. Every flow is made by cutting off another flow, by restricting or drawing off a flow.

But, in some sense, a flow does not want to be cut-off, to be restricted. This desire, the desire of a flow to flow unconstrained, is the BwO. The BwO is real, since the desire is real, in fact, the BwO just is desire. But it is abstract, for it is a limit: flows are never free, but always interrupted. Without the interruption and the desire, the flow and its break, there would be no world at all.

Why "Body-without-Organs"? The absence of organs means the lack of organization, or the fact that the BwO is not broken down into parts distinct from each other. It remains a body, though, even if it only ever presents itself as an attractor or repeller, a surface to slip over or bounce off of. For no sooner does a flow return to the BwO, then it is reconstituted as part of another flow, distinguishing itself from its surroundings. Nothing lives in the BwO, only over its surface. Since it allows no distinctions, no identity, it is effectively sterile, a degree zero; the complete freedom of the BwO is also the undifferentiated of death.

The BwO makes paradoxical (!) the problem of freedom. On the one hand, freedom is the freedom to flow without constraint, the freedom of autonomy. On the other hand, this same freedom is only death. What would be a limited freedom? This paradox of freedom is studied as the paradox of capitalism in _Anti-Oedipus_. If capitalism can make everything fall back on the BwO (of capital), then how far can it go toward this limit?

http://webpages.ursinus.edu/rrichter/bwodefinition.html








* technically a Basque, but he was based in France.

"Plastic" has to do with flowing; maybe these surgery addicts are just trying to jump on this trend, flow across the margins of the limited self?!

I think that any incredibly beautiful people need their heads checked before they ask for plastic surgery (and don't give me all that beauty is subjective bull..... we all know who's ugly).

I think that any incredibly beautiful people need their heads checked before they ask for plastic surgery (and don't give me all that beauty is subjective bull..... we all know who's ugly).

I'm against plastic surgery like Boob jobs, sex changes and face-work (unless correcting a deformation/accident wound)

Example:

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AAARGH! I thought posting disgusting pictures like that was banned on this forum!

I'm against plastic surgery like Boob jobs, sex changes and face-work (unless correcting a deformation/accident wound)

Example:

[picture cut because i dont want to see it again]



AAARGH! I thought posting disgusting pictures like that was banned on this forum!

Maybe they should be. But as a "person's" "face" is allowed, I have broken no rules. It would be so funny if Michael Jackson's face was banned as offensive though.

This wouldn't even be an issue if we'd just do the right thing and adopt universal health care for all. Talented people wouldn't want to enter med-school because the government would set the compensation rates of health professional, the quality of health care would suffer significantly, and frivilous cosmetic surgery would be the least of anyone's worries when the people considered their overall health concerns. :P