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People don't hate America because they're jealous - they hate America because it thinks it can go and do exactly what you said you wanted it to do.

President of HoopHoopland (by the way, I don't hate America).

i have no problem with america, i just dont like the politics, bush has done no real good for the USA, except maybe hunt down Osama, and thats just gotten US militarymen and women killed. sure, he might have lowerd taxes a couple times but thats about it.
well, the elections are coming up, but i dont care much for kerry either.
i live in Texas, so you cant call me a foregner (except, maybe if you live up north).
but i am not the only one that lives in the US and doesnt like their politics.

People don't hate America because they're jealous - they hate America because it thinks it can go and do exactly what you said you wanted it to do.

President of HoopHoopland (by the way, I don't hate America).

remember there is a cause and effect:

cause, foreigners say they dont like america because they have too much influence and say the population is ignorant rednecks

effect, americans get angered, and say,"fuck it" and dont really give a damn anymore.

I've heard people complain about the cultural influence of America, but there's not much that can be done when it's so economically powerful. A similar thing happened when the British Empire was a superpower. Another country (or maybe something else) will come along eventually and displace America.

I think that American foreign policy is the one thing that many people outside of America are frustrated by, because it's so powerful it needs to be very careful with how it deals with a situation. Otherwise it'll end up seeming heavy-handed. It is very easy to point the finger at America when things get complicated, but other countries are usually involved too - particularly Britain.. :oops: (I can't understand why we attempt to get involved in these things nowadays).

i have no problem with america, i just dont like the politics, bush has done no real good for the USA, except maybe hunt down Osama

hows that going by the way?

Who has the mentality to hate an entire continent?

i can. i hate many whole continents. actually, i hate all continents. just some more then others.

I don't believe any one hates America, I believe a lot of the world hates America's foreign policy and or the Bush administration.

remember there is a cause and effect:

cause, foreigners say they dont like america because they have too much influence and say the population is ignorant rednecks

effect, americans get angered, and say,"f--- it" and dont really give a damn anymore.

but then you'd also have to go back and examine the cause that effected America to have influence and the population to become ignorant rednecks, and then follow that back, ad infinitum. But then again, I don't know if anyone would really want to spend the time doing that.

I don't hate any country. You can't just hate everybody, there are good and bad people in every country. But i do hate American administration.

America has stopped a lot of evil in this world. This morning, American troops in Iraq found evidence that there has been weapons of mass destruction by finding something. I cant remember the name of it. Plus, Saddam violated the UN's resos 17 times, not letting the weapons inspectors in. Therefore, he had plenty time to destroy them. And another thing, if you hate America for taking down Osama and Saddam, then you must not of hated knowing that these two people could probably have taken out the entire mankind. Its scary. If you hate America because we get in other peoples business, good. Someones gotta do something. And another thing. Not only has America fought terrorism in the last 15 years, weve also fought back imperialism. Remember, Saddam tried to take over Kuwait. If you have any other reasons to hate America, as a whole country, Id like to hear them.

thats not the point now, the point is america shouldnt feel like they have to police the world.

or at least thats what all these eurotrash are telling me.

yes they found 'something', namely an old obsolete shell from the iraq-iran war in the eighties. well done! let's invade another country, quick!

America has stopped a lot of evil in this world. This morning, American troops in Iraq found evidence that there has been weapons of mass destruction by finding something. I cant remember the name of it. Plus, Saddam violated the UN's resos 17 times, not letting the weapons inspectors in. Therefore, he had plenty time to destroy them. And another thing, if you hate America for taking down Osama and Saddam, then you must not of hated knowing that these two people could probably have taken out the entire mankind. Its scary. If you hate America because we get in other peoples business, good. Someones gotta do something. And another thing. Not only has America fought terrorism in the last 15 years, weve also fought back imperialism. Remember, Saddam tried to take over Kuwait. If you have any other reasons to hate America, as a whole country, Id like to hear them.

As I said before I don't hate your country. And about that sarin they found - one grenade does not mean anything

ok. we'll invade france. frogs will being speaking english by spring.

America has stopped a lot of evil in this world. This morning, American troops in Iraq found evidence that there has been weapons of mass destruction by finding something. I cant remember the name of it. Plus, Saddam violated the UN's resos 17 times, not letting the weapons inspectors in. Therefore, he had plenty time to destroy them. And another thing, if you hate America for taking down Osama and Saddam, then you must not of hated knowing that these two people could probably have taken out the entire mankind. Its scary. If you hate America because we get in other peoples business, good. Someones gotta do something. And another thing. Not only has America fought terrorism in the last 15 years, weve also fought back imperialism. Remember, Saddam tried to take over Kuwait. If you have any other reasons to hate America, as a whole country, Id like to hear them.

As I said before I don't hate your country. And about that sarin they found - one grenade does not mean anything

It means they did find something. They dont just make ONE grenade, then leave. They mass produced the stuff. And another thing. We invade because we care about OUR safety. Itsw called stopping the bad stuff before it happens. If you get out of your anti-american mindset, you might realize that as a whole, were protecting you other countries so you dont have to go through sonmething similar to 9-11. You wouldnt understand a thing about 9-11 until youre an american.

dont worry, if its not already there, bush will plant it. he'd better plant it soon.

It means they did find something. They dont just make ONE grenade, then leave. They mass produced the stuff. And another thing. We invade because we care about OUR safety. Itsw called stopping the bad stuff before it happens. If you get out of your anti-american mindset, you might realize that as a whole, were protecting you other countries so you dont have to go through sonmething similar to 9-11. You wouldnt understand a thing about 9-11 until youre an american.

How can you protect somebody from someone who is not even threatening.
He did even have any weapons with which he could attack anyone. UN sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and nobody cares.
Iraq breakes one UN resolution and he gets attacked, Israel breaks more than 40 resolutions and they still attack palestinians.

All liberals don't get the point. [or do get it but don't want to admit it] It may be one tiny grenade of sarin but think about it. It's a WMD. Doesn't anyone get that? WMD small or not is still a threat to all people. Some say it was just a "stray WMD". Hello where are they getting them then? It may be small but its effects can be big. Most people don't like America because of either the administration, [mainly beliefs] how its the only superpower remaining today, or just don't like America because of its "Global peacekeeping". One WMD is enough to go to war, so everybody stop saying there was no reason. Would you like Saddam to still rule Iraq today? Do you really want a man who killed a million of his own people to be in power? Do you still want Afghanistan to be ruled by the Taliban? If you do then you have got to think. What if you lived there? Put yourself in their shoes. But 1 stinknig WMD found means there has to be more, why do you think the terrorists are attacking teams looking for WMD's? Because they don't want to let us find them.

I don't believe any one hates America, I believe a lot of the world hates America's foreign policy and or the Bush administration.
I agree. I hate USA, but I had an American friend and they are nice, it just what there nation does.
Also what annoys me is what happened in 9/11. They should not of let that happen. That what annoyed me it shouldn't of happened, America thought they were safe because of there missile stations and your military, but look your battling militia, hello these aren't trained (i don't think) and your the almighty US army you should blow them to pieces.
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I agree what someone said about us Brits with our empire, your right that's what happened with the soviet union, that was another super power. Then that was destroyed and now America has no nation that can stand you against them, so they get TOO BIG FOR THERE BOOTS.

~Mattvia 8)

All liberals don't get the point. [or do get it but don't want to admit it] It may be one tiny grenade of sarin but think about it. It's a WMD. Doesn't anyone get that? WMD small or not is still a threat to all people. Some say it was just a "stray WMD". Hello where are they getting them then? It may be small but its effects can be big. Most people don't like America because of either the administration, [mainly beliefs] how its the only superpower remaining today, or just don't like America because of its "Global peacekeeping". One WMD is enough to go to war, so everybody stop saying there was no reason. Would you like Saddam to still rule Iraq today? Do you really want a man who killed a million of his own people to be in power? Do you still want Afghanistan to be ruled by the Taliban? If you do then you have got to think. What if you lived there? Put yourself in their shoes. But 1 stinknig WMD found means there has to be more, why do you think the terrorists are attacking teams looking for WMD's? Because they don't want to let us find them.

Well put yourself in their skin. They say they were safer when Saddam ruled Iraq. Though i think it was a good thing he was removed from power I just don't like the way USA did it. Saddam killed millions of people, but USA killed even more. Maybe not on purpose but still they did kill a lot of people.

that grenade was a leftover from iraqi-iran war
However, it was US who sold Saddam WMD if you don't know. Why Saddam also attacked Quwait? Because he thought US wouldn't interfere as they didn't when Iraqi-Iran war started. And why US went to first gulf war? Because they profited from it. Almost all costs of war were pay by the nearby arabic countries. At that time oil price significantly went up. American oil companies profited from that a lot. It's american oil compaines which are pumping Saudi-Arabian oil. Saudi get only 20% or so pumped oil value.

As it goes with taliban they are gaining power again. Karzai only control Kabul and nothing else.
For Iraqi people it was safer under Saddam then it is now. American soldiers are pettifoggering Iraqi civilians at checkpoints...

"Global peacekeeping" - hahaha
yeah, you chosed right word

Stop listening to the media! They are anti-bush and are even lying! They hate Bush so whenever they can attack them they will, any negative report in Iraq their going to report any positive one, they won't publish it. Sure America has killed millions of people but think again. If it weren't for America Germany would be in control of most of Europe and would have a dictatorship. You liberals have to think about what you're saying, you're saying you support a man that killed millions of his own people! You're supporting a man who broke UN resolutions numerous times. Maybe you should put yourself in their position during Saddam's reign and after the American led coalition. People were afraid for their lives. Right now Iraqi's are saying they lived better under Saddam, because they weren't at war like they are now. Of course they might be more scared now but look how it is going to be after the coalition, they will be rid of a dictatorship and will finally have a democracy. What's wrong with that? America may be the only superpower today, people still do not agree with what America is doing. George Bush doesn't care about what other countries think of us, we have to do what's right no matter what it costs us. If John Kerry was President he would raise the taxes and try to interact with nations that don't like us right now, he's more worried about how we look then our national security. He says he's going to keep our security but he's lying. He's lied numerous times I could name a few if you want.

You wouldnt understand a thing about 9-11 until youre an american.

That's tosh. Here's why:

1) British people were killed in that event as well. Their families know what it's like. Only the people involved and their families know what it was like, regardless of nationality. Did people on the west coast deeply feel what the people directly involved felt? Did people in Texas? No, they just watched the reports on the news and felt the sense of enormity and needless waste of life that I felt when I walked into my house in the north of England that afternoon and cried because I could imagine what the people in the two towers were going through while I was watching.

2) There've been other terrorist atrocities. The people they affected have some idea what it must have felt like to have been in the World Trade Center then, if it wasn't exactly the same.

Do you know something? I don't hate all Americans - that's a ridiculous position to hold. What I do hate is people who come from any country who needlessy believe in their own inate superiority over all others. Have patriotism by all means, but don't ever call people eurotrash, because that's just ignorant. It shows that you're just making as rash a generalisation as people who say that hate all Americans.

President of HoopHoopland

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

*smacks you*

You have no clue do you?

In all fairness I don't think anybody does have much of a clue :( It's very easy to get caught up in anti-americanism (anti-anything for that matter).

virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals
Not all people in America are like that. Admittedly there are Americans who believe they have a superiority because of their nation's premier position in world affairs, but to portray all Americans in that manner would be erroneous.

President of HoopHoopland (using his puppet, JoopJoopland)

George Bush doesn't care about what other countries think of us, we have to do what's right no matter what it costs us. If John Kerry was President he would raise the taxes and try to interact with nations that don't like us right now, he's more worried about how we look then our national security. He says he's going to keep our security but he's lying. He's lied numerous times I could name a few if you want.
Oh no! Actually interact with nations that don't like us right now?! How terrible. And a lying politician?! I've never heard of such a thing.
I fail to see how going to war is ever "right", much less with a war that is so pointless. WMDs? Useless. Deposing a malevolent dictator? The US is torturing people the same as Saddam did. Oil? Gas prices have nearly doubled!
Juosh: Start using your brain, dude! Stop making fun of yourself!

Hey, HoopHoopland, where the H*** are you from, then? It seems the Americans in this forum are the only ones with the balls to put their nation in front of all of you. I'm American, and I love it. No, you'll never know the impact of 9-11, you'll never know what it's like having an uncle killed in a bullsh** attack from some cowards and then have you dad, who's a Marine Officer, gone for half the year for the last three years. NO You'll never know. :x

Really, must we have another "America is shit" or "America rules" thread? Everyone is quite obviously going to have an opinion which differs from somebody else's and, to be honest, I'm pretty sure people just get pissed off with typing the same thing in over and over again, especially when they should be revising from exams but are too lazy to do so because they know that Tru Calling and Angel are on soon!

Before I jump in head-first let me state that I am an American. Let me then edit that statement by saying I am an African/Native American. That said allow me to make a few corrections to the previous statements.

1.)Get a global map, look at it and find Iraq. Now find the U.S. Okay think for a minute suppose there were WMDs. Would they considering Iraq's level of technology make it all the way to the US? And if so where would they hit? Think now.

2.)America has rarely interfered in a war for purely moral reasons. Saddam has been torturing his people for years and years. So why is it now that America cares. Answer: We don't. But there is oil and Bush is an oil person as is most of his adminstration. Remember the first thing after the takeover was the rebuilding and repairing of the oil lines.

3.)Remember G. Bush sr.? He wrote a book and in that book he stated that a war against Iraq would be foolish and a waste of resources. I agree.

4.)The U.S. is as a whole very arrogant. We have little real knowledge of the rest of the world nor do we care. Because we do have a lot of money and things are fairly well we assume that we're popular. And quite frankly we aren't with good reason.

5.)France disagreed and that was their prerogative so why blast them? Is it because they did something everyone wants to do? Disagree with Bush?

6.)Osama has never formally been caught. We just hope he is dead. That said whatever happened to Saddam? We saw him once and that was it.

7.)Why is it that the only thing people can think to say about America is that we're fat? I mean europe isn't all skinny, intellegent, and beautiful. Nor are many other countries so what's the deal?

8.)Okay so Kerry isn't the coolest. Personally I was going for Dean. But remember last time? Bush and Gore? As a seventh grader I knew that voting for Bush was a bad idea and I was right. But people picked the guy who wasn't boring, the guy who made a lot of b.s. promises, and screwed everything up. So this time lets pick someone else.

9.)Finally since I'm running out of steam. There is an old obscured law in the books that says a president cannot be kicked out of office during a war. Iraq, Osama, terrorists...hmm could there have been a plot for continued presidency? Nah, couldn't be....

Sure America has killed millions of people but think again. If it weren't for America, Germany would be in control of most of Europe and would have a dictatorship.

This is arrogant, nonsence!!! :x

Firstly - Had Europe been fully overtaken by the Axis, then America would have fallen also!

Secondly - The only reason America entered the second world war was due to it being attacked by the Axis, so dont give me that bull shite about America being a great allie to European countries.

Thirdly - America alone couldn't have taken on the Germans, it was due to all the countries of the allies that the Germans were beaten. Dont let 'Saving Private Ryan' fool you, America was one of many nations that stormed the beach.

Fourthly - Omaha beach was only one of many battles that lead to the fall of Germany such as Normandy, The Battle of Britain etc.

Lastly - If any one nation had the biggest contribution to the downfall of the Germans, it would be Russia. They should be the ones we are all thankful of for defeating the Nazi's. That must hurt all the anti-communits of America!

It really riles me up when Americans think they are the saviors of Europe. Though I do not point this at all Americans as i have a few American friends.

Thank god that's off my chest *Phew* :lol:

Don't you fucking DARE play that card, you bastard. Did you fight? No, I don't think you did. Battle of Britain? Couldn't have jumped in a bit earlier? Na? Just didn't feel like it, ok then.....

hmmm, lets review

America has funded the IRA for years, calling them a "freedom fighting organisation" the IRA then bomb London, and Manchester. If we Brits followed Bush's advice, we'd have to invade Ireland to catch some terrorists.

America has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, meaning MAD is certain if terrorists ever fire a nuke at America, for example religious extremists who believe that they are Martyrs that will go to Allah when they die.

Over the last 50 years America has invaded many countries, unlawfully, and deposed democratically elected presidents such as the president of Panama

I have American friends from Iowa, and painful as this may be, its because I'm not an American that I can be objective and say that you brought this on yourself with your empire building.

I mean, who cared when the IRA bombed the UK? Where was America? I'll tell you, busy funding them and living easy, not even bothering with airport security checks.

Sure America has killed millions of people but think again. If it weren't for America, Germany would be in control of most of Europe and would have a dictatorship.

This is arrogant, nonsense!!! :x

Firstly - Had Europe been fully overtaken by the Axis, then America would have fallen also!

Secondly - The only reason America entered the second world war was due to it being attacked by the Axis, so don't give me that bull sh*** about America being a great allie to European countries.

Thirdly - America alone couldn't have taken on the Germans, it was due to all the countries of the allies that the Germans were beaten. Dont let 'Saving Private Ryan' fool you, America was one of many nations that stormed the beach.

Fourthly - Omaha beach was only one of many battles that lead to the fall of Germany such as Normandy, The Battle of Britain etc.

Lastly - If any one nation had the biggest contribution to the downfall of the Germans, it would be Russia. They should be the ones we are all thankful of for defeating the Nazi's. That must hurt all the anti-communits of America!

It really riles me up when Americans think they are the saviors of Europe. Though I do not point this at all Americans as i have a few American friends.

Thank god that's off my chest *Phew* :lol:

I agree totally :D
Russia and Britain were the ones for defeating Germany. Just because Eisenhower, led D-Day, doesn't mean we have to thank America, oh no, it was Montgomery, was the brains of it all.
And the Battle of Britain was vital, because if we went, there would be NO hope for the allies. Russia would have been defeated, and then America.

And Churchill, was the one that kept the allies going, he Really did change are darkest hour, in to are finest.
So think, you didn't win the war, Russia and England did, and also, if you are so great, where were you, when we needed you? :x

Sure America has killed millions of people but think again. If it weren't for America, Germany would be in control of most of Europe and would have a dictatorship.

This is arrogant, nonsense!!! :x

Firstly - Had Europe been fully overtaken by the Axis, then America would have fallen also!

Secondly - The only reason America entered the second world war was due to it being attacked by the Axis, so don't give me that bull sh*** about America being a great allie to European countries.

Thirdly - America alone couldn't have taken on the Germans, it was due to all the countries of the allies that the Germans were beaten. Dont let 'Saving Private Ryan' fool you, America was one of many nations that stormed the beach.

Fourthly - Omaha beach was only one of many battles that lead to the fall of Germany such as Normandy, The Battle of Britain etc.

Lastly - If any one nation had the biggest contribution to the downfall of the Germans, it would be Russia. They should be the ones we are all thankful of for defeating the Nazi's. That must hurt all the anti-communits of America!

It really riles me up when Americans think they are the saviors of Europe. Though I do not point this at all Americans as i have a few American friends.

Thank god that's off my chest *Phew* :lol:

I agree totally :D
Russia and Britain were the ones for defeating Germany. Just because Eisenhower, led D-Day, doesn't mean we have to thank America, oh no, it was Montgomery, was the brains of it all.
And the Battle of Britain was vital, because if we went, there would be NO hope for the allies. Russia would have been defeated, and then America.

And Churchill, was the one that kept the allies going, he Really did change are darkest hour, in to are finest.
So think, you didn't win the war, Russia and England did, and also, if you are so great, where were you, when we needed you? :x

I don't hate American, believe me. I think it was built on some wonderful ideals (even if they have yet to be realised) and that its' people are genuinely decent by and large (even if as a nation they don't show it). However, there is one overwhelming thing that grates with everyone I have ever conversed with on the topic: the arrogance of America and Americans.

You can't get away from it. Everywhere I encounter Americans I encounter amazing, breathtaking over-confidence. This is especially true of anyone who talks about the American military. The attitude that "we're invincible, no-one in the world can even touch America" is a disastrous one that appears to suffuse the military and civil population alike marring American military operations with ham-fistedness and incompetence (witness pictures from Iraq of walls gouda-cheesed out of existence by bullets or helicopters lobbing rockets at what usually turns out to be three guys with a PKM and a goat). It also expresses itself in the appallingly inane attitude typfied by the use of the derogatory "old Europe" and the general attitude of "we are the best, we can do anything," and "anything we do has to be right becuase we have a good intention." It's a damned sad thing. American arrogance has lost them the global support they had in the wake of Sept. 11th. Back then if you'd gone most anywhere you'd have found sympathy for America and her people. Nowadays you're more likely to find anger and disgust. Let that be a sign of what America's arrogance has done.

Added: ARGH. This WMD thing is just another example. "Oh well we evidently were right so stop whining you moronic Liberals," bellow imbecilic yank patriots with the brains of a rubber plant. Meanwhile the intelligent, moderate ones who consider the situation are drowned out by the chorus of halfwits. Listen. For all you people going on about how it's proof of a functioning WMD programme:

1) I am not a liberal. I'm a very authoritarian type. Don't call ME a liberal, gents.

2) The origins of the weapon are uncertain. It was old and it didn't work properly. Therefore it is in no way proof or anything resembling proof of an active WMD programme.

3) Do not attempt to crowbar what you WANT to see into what you DO see.

Sure America has killed millions of people but think again. If it weren't for America, Germany would be in control of most of Europe and would have a dictatorship.

This is arrogant, nonsense!!! :x

Firstly - Had Europe been fully overtaken by the Axis, then America would have fallen also!

Secondly - The only reason America entered the second world war was due to it being attacked by the Axis, so don't give me that bull sh*** about America being a great allie to European countries.

Thirdly - America alone couldn't have taken on the Germans, it was due to all the countries of the allies that the Germans were beaten. Dont let 'Saving Private Ryan' fool you, America was one of many nations that stormed the beach.

Fourthly - Omaha beach was only one of many battles that lead to the fall of Germany such as Normandy, The Battle of Britain etc.

Lastly - If any one nation had the biggest contribution to the downfall of the Germans, it would be Russia. They should be the ones we are all thankful of for defeating the Nazi's. That must hurt all the anti-communits of America!

It really riles me up when Americans think they are the saviors of Europe. Though I do not point this at all Americans as i have a few American friends.

Thank god that's off my chest *Phew* :lol:

I agree totally :D
Russia and Britain were the ones for defeating Germany. Just because Eisenhower, led D-Day, doesn't mean we have to thank America, oh no, it was Montgomery, was the brains of it all.
And the Battle of Britain was vital, because if we went, there would be NO hope for the allies. Russia would have been defeated, and then America.

And Churchill, was the one that kept the allies going, he Really did change are darkest hour, in to are finest.
So think, you didn't win the war, Russia and England did, and also, if you are so great, where were you, when we needed you? :x

Maintaining a neutral status in order to not needlessly kill since we were not being affected.

Funny...you only call for us when you have no choice. But when you don't need us, you scream [color=red]BLOODY MURDER![/size] when we don't?

Hell, we should've done the same to all of Europe...causing that war for no real reason other than Hitler...couldn't you all have stood down and learn your German?


And I wonder wha'd it be like living in a Europe controlled by the Russians? Too bad the Americans didn't let that happen, huh?

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

Oh so you justify the countless slaughters of american citizens by terrorist. It is people like you who are truely dangorus were you figure someone from our group was killed so now we have to kill someone from that group. Also it is people with your kind of mentality that started the Yugoslavia conflict or the India-Pakistan war were one of ours was killed so lets murder a innocent child from that group and that way they will cowerdly back down. that does not work and leads to really bad things. A eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind buddy.

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

Oh so you justify the countless slaughters of american citizens by terrorist. It is people like you who are truely dangorus were you figure someone from our group was killed so now we have to kill someone from that group. Also it is people with your kind of mentality that started the Yugoslavia conflict or the India-Pakistan war were one of ours was killed so lets murder a innocent child from that group and that way they will cowerdly back down. that does not work and leads to really bad things. A eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind buddy.

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

Oh so you justify the countless slaughters of american citizens by terrorist. It is people like you who are truely dangorus were you figure someone from our group was killed so now we have to kill someone from that group. Also it is people with your kind of mentality that started the Yugoslavia conflict or the India-Pakistan war were one of ours was killed so lets murder a innocent child from that group and that way they will cowerdly back down. that does not work and leads to really bad things. A eye for a eye leaves the whole world blind buddy.

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fat people are hilarious

I don't believe any one hates America, I believe a lot of the world hates America's foreign policy and or the Bush administration.

i don't think you're going to be able to blame bush for this one. "yankee go home!" isn't exactly a new slogan.

hmm, i think i'm going to make myself a t-shirt that says "yankee go home!"

I've heard people complain about the cultural influence of America, but there's not much that can be done when it's so economically powerful. A similar thing happened when the British Empire was a superpower. Another country (or maybe something else) will come along eventually and displace America.

I think that American foreign policy is the one thing that many people outside of America are frustrated by, because it's so powerful it needs to be very careful with how it deals with a situation. Otherwise it'll end up seeming heavy-handed. It is very easy to point the finger at America when things get complicated, but other countries are usually involved too - particularly Britain.. :oops: (I can't understand why we attempt to get involved in these things nowadays).

Hey, I'll take our record, warts and all, over any other Superpower in history...
Britain? Let's see, now, who was it that created the state of Palestine, or that of Pakistan, for that matter? For that matter, we seem to have had a bit of a problem with them about 228 years ago, too!

Then, of course, there was Imperial Rome...

We've tried the 'speak softly' schtick, and we stick with it, when it works...
but, sometimes, the other guy keeps yelling so loud that it's time to bring out the 'Big Stick'...

I don't believe any one hates America, I believe a lot of the world hates America's foreign policy and or the Bush administration.

And, of course, many Americans would agree with you, on that one!
But, even Dubya understands that it's better to let people air their differences in public, than plot agains t you in private...

The reason that we recieve so much criticism, is that we make it so easy to do so, and human beings are far more fond of doing things the 'easy' way, than they are of doing anything hard, like thinking...

yes they found 'something', namely an old obsolete shell from the iraq-iran war in the eighties. well done! let's invade another country, quick!

Yes, by all means! {Seriously!}
And the name of that country is Saudi Arabia!
What nationality is Osama bin Lauden? {Saudi}
Who funds groups like Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and other wacko Terrorist Groups? {The Saudis}
Who pays to distribute a highly corrupted version of the Koran, to misinform those of Islamic faith? {The Saudis}

But...
George W. Bush has friends who are Saudis...
{and not the *good* ones, either!}

So, we're not going to see that happen, anytime soon...
Pity.

http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/euro_vs_america.jpg



Arrogant prick. You are the reason why I hate Europeans, you are all arrogant jackasses!



(When I was in European most of them were ugly, like 99%)

As I said before I don't hate your country. And about that sarin they found - one grenade does not mean anything

Mlaka, thank you for not hating our country...
but it wasn't exactly one grenade!

That was a 155mm shell they found, and while only a tiny amout was released, it was no small quantity that they found!
That's enough (if it had gone off properly) to kill everybody within a couple of City blocks! {WAY more than was released in the Japanese subway system!}

As to the fact that it was a holdover from the Iran/Iraq war...
Yes, but so what?
Saddam reported that 100% of these warheads had been destroyed!

Not that we need to find any actual WMD in order to find Saddam guilty of non-compliance with the UN resolution...
The moment he told Hans Glick's boys, even for a minute, that there was somewhere that they could not go, Saddam was in 'substantial violation' of the resolution!
{Hey, why do you think we wrote it that way?}

But, even if Saddam had never invaded Kuwait (never mind the rest of the stuff he'd done)...
There was still the matter of the 'accidental' attack on the USS Stark...
Killing 19 of our servicemen, in an unprovoked attack, while you are still our 'ally', is plenty enough 'causus belli' for me!
{And if it had happened to any of your navies, guys, that attack would have sunk the entire ship!}

It means they did find something. They dont just make ONE grenade, then leave. They mass produced the stuff. And another thing. We invade because we care about OUR safety. Itsw called stopping the bad stuff before it happens. If you get out of your anti-american mindset, you might realize that as a whole, were protecting you other countries so you dont have to go through sonmething similar to 9-11. You wouldnt understand a thing about 9-11 until youre an american.

That's funny, Ase...
I have a friend, from an on-line RPG, that had a momentary interruption of her game that she had apologized for...
A bomb blast had destroyed the office she worked in, and that wrecked her Computer, amongst other things...
Of course, that happened in a 'furriner' country, not in the U.S., so it never made the news...

In Israel, they say, "U.S. 9/11, Israel 24/7", to help remind us that what we consider a one-time event, is, to them, a daily routine...

In Lebanon, they used to give hourly updates on Traffic, Weather, and Mortar Shelling...

We are very well off, here in the US, and it sometimes takes something like 9/11 to remind us of that fact...

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OK?

A guy from Iceland and a fat chick?

How can you protect somebody from someone who is not even threatening.
He did even have any weapons with which he could attack anyone. UN sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and nobody cares.
Iraq breakes one UN resolution and he gets attacked, Israel breaks more than 40 resolutions and they still attack palestinians.

Thank you, for reiterating the enemy's propoganda!
If Saddam had NO weapons with which he could attack anyone, may I ask how he managed to kill 10,000 of his own people every month, until we showed up? For that matter, did you ever hear of 'The Republican Guard'?
How do you think he got all those people to go to that prison, to be tortured to death, without any weapons?
No, he didn't have any Nuclear Weapons (what everybody really thinks of when you talk about WMD), but he had plenty of the conventional sort, and the willingness to use them...
Remember the Invasion of Kuwait?
Who stepped in and took some, but not all, of those weapons from him?

As far as the Israeli/Palestine conflict, please...
get real!
Saddam was not surrounded by hostile nations wishing to commit genocide against his people (he reserved THAT 'right' for himself!}...
Israel has tried (usually under intense pressure from the US) to make peace with Palestine, again, and again, and again...
every time they come close, there's another wave of terrorist bombings, to make sure it never happens!
There IS, functionally, no such thing as Palestine!
There's some squiggles on a map (and most such maps show no indication of a state of Israel), but when it comes to negotiating a peace agreement with a Government, the Palestineans have proven that they have none, want none, and will not allow one to form!

Oh, and yes...
I once had sympathy for the Palestineans...
Then, on September 11, we were attacked, and the Palestineans celebrated in the streets, laughing and dancing, and handing out candy to their children, telling them that a great victory had been won...
I'm supposed to care what happens to these 'people' for what reason, now?

As I said before I don't hate your country. And about that sarin they found - one grenade does not mean anything

Mlaka, thank you for not hating our country...
but it wasn't exactly one grenade!

That was a 155mm shell they found, and while only a tiny amout was released, it was no small quantity that they found!
That's enough (if it had gone off properly) to kill everybody within a couple of City blocks! {WAY more than was released in the Japanese subway system!}

As to the fact that it was a holdover from the Iran/Iraq war...
Yes, but so what?
Saddam reported that 100% of these warheads had been destroyed!

Not that we need to find any actual WMD in order to find Saddam guilty of non-compliance with the UN resolution...
The moment he told Hans Glick's boys, even for a minute, that there was somewhere that they could not go, Saddam was in 'substantial violation' of the resolution!
{Hey, why do you think we wrote it that way?}

But, even if Saddam had never invaded Kuwait (never mind the rest of the stuff he'd done)...
There was still the matter of the 'accidental' attack on the USS Stark...
Killing 19 of our servicemen, in an unprovoked attack, while you are still our 'ally', is plenty enough 'causus belli' for me!
{And if it had happened to any of your navies, guys, that attack would have sunk the entire ship!}

i still wonder why the US wont invade israel:

1) They have invaded other countries.
2) There is massive amount of UN resolutions against israel.
3) Israel HAS wmd.
4) Isreal has attacked the USS liberty.

two very different point of views:
http://www.ussliberty.org/
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty.html

a lot of people in third world countries hate americans because its americans' fault their countries are in the third world. granted these positions of exploitation were first implemented by the european empires, but these empires were a lot less stable than modern america which makes the whole situation look more tragic.
as for people outside of the third world, the people who know that not everyone is the same, and that there are a few people who control america's influence, they have their reasons for disliking the US. the hypocracy for one, the US produces tonnes and tonnes of hypocracy per annum, invades countries under suspicion of having WMDs while producing deadlier and deadlier virii and maintaining one of the worlds largest nuclear stockpiles. america claims to lead by moral superiority while its own backward society hold by virtues of theocracy, gun ownership and other border-line fascist ideals.

i predict in a few hundred years time historians will be saying 'thank god there were anti-americanists, else we'd be in deep shite by now.'

Hooo-hah! :P
And, just what woodwork did YOU crawl out of, my friend?
The reason that most third world countries are failures is NOT (however much some people would like to believe) that the US is sitting on their backsides, breaking their legs...
It's because, for one reason or another, they can't get their OWN acts together!
Often, it's because they're too small to be a self-sufficient nation (Illinois would be a pretty substantial country in terms of the Third World...).
Many times, it's because they don't have a lot in the way of Natural Resources...
But most of the time, it's because their own people work very hard to keep them downtrodden!
{Saddam is a great example of this, and there are many others like him!}

Now, as to this hypocrisy you were talking about...
Theocracy? Are you kidding? We've got more different kinds of religion than France has types of Cheese! There's no way any one of them is going to take over...
And, moght I remind you, our Constitution mandates the seperation of Church and State! Does yours?

Gun ownership in the US is hardly universal, or mandatory... in fact, I think we don't have enough in the way of respectable citizens who own guns!
You talk about Gun Ownership as if it were a bad thing...
I suppose it is, if you're like most of the world, and are afraid to defend yourself, because it might anger the thugs in power...
We just don't believe in being peasants, and that confuses and angers a lot of people who think that's all anyone should aspire to!

Border lind Fascist ideals? Like Trial by Jury (do you have that right? Most countries do not!), Presumption of Innocence, Freedom of Speech (ditto)?

Yes, when the world collapses into economic ruin, and there is no more America, and freedom is a word that is simply not allowed onto anyone's vocabulary, there will be LOTS of people saying "Thank (the State-approved) God for Anti-Americanists!"...
and then they will march in the mandatory rally to show support for their one-party government, and then go to work in their state-owned factories for substandard wages which they don't have the right to protest against...

Tell you what, guys...
You REALLY want to shut America up? It's easy...
Just do better than we do!
{Oh, and that means *actually* doing better, not failing miserably and then lying about it... This means that you don't get to do like most European countries, and chalk all gun-related deaths down to 'terrorism', and say they have no 'gun-related' crime!} :roll:

Oh no! Actually interact with nations that don't like us right now?! How terrible. And a lying politician?! I've never heard of such a thing.
I fail to see how going to war is ever "right", much less with a war that is so pointless. WMDs? Useless. Deposing a malevolent dictator? The US is torturing people the same as Saddam did. Oil? Gas prices have nearly doubled!
Juosh: Start using your brain, dude! Stop making fun of yourself!

I'm not real fond of either Bush, or Kerry, at the moment...
Please do not confuse our Presidents with all that is America!

On the other hand, there IS such a thing as a 'just war'!
Remember WWII?
Oh, that was only over oil, and deposing corrupt dictators, right?
The US is NOT torturing people 'the same as Saddam did'!
Saddam didn't take pictures, and he didn't let his victims walk out alive to complain! Yes, what went on in that prison was stupid, but it was in NO way as cruel as what Saddam did...
and you never heard him apologize for doing so, did you?

Gas prices have not 'nearly doubled', and they certainly aren't as high as they are in Europe (where taxation counts for more than the rest of the price of gas together...), and that's got nothing to do with Iraq, anyways...

We invaded Iraq, simply put, because, for very many reasons, Saddam had to go... and the rest of the world wasn't going to do anything about him!

[quote="Ase"]And another thing, if you hate America for taking down Osama and Saddam, then you must not of hated knowing that these two people could probably have taken out the entire mankind.quote]

Slight problem......we havent taken down Osama!! He's probably chillin in some mountain makin a new bomb or somethin as we speak...

[quote="Ase"]And another thing, if you hate America for taking down Osama and Saddam, then you must not of hated knowing that these two people could probably have taken out the entire mankind.quote]

Slight problem......we havent taken down Osama!! He's probably chillin in some mountain makin a new bomb or somethin as we speak...

hmmm, lets review

America has funded the IRA for years, calling them a "freedom fighting organisation" the IRA then bomb London, and Manchester. If we Brits followed Bush's advice, we'd have to invade Ireland to catch some terrorists.

America has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, meaning MAD is certain if terrorists ever fire a nuke at America, for example religious extremists who believe that they are Martyrs that will go to Allah when they die.

Over the last 50 years America has invaded many countries, unlawfully, and deposed democratically elected presidents such as the president of Panama

I have American friends from Iowa, and painful as this may be, its because I'm not an American that I can be objective and say that you brought this on yourself with your empire building.

I mean, who cared when the IRA bombed the UK? Where was America? I'll tell you, busy funding them and living easy, not even bothering with airport security checks.

No wonder you guys hate us, if you believe THIS kind of nonsense!
First, yes, the IRA gets most of it's funding from the US...
That's from individual citizens of the US, usually of Irish descent, and NOT the federal Government!
And, as to invading Ireland...
You already DID that, remember?
That's WHY you have an IRA in the first place, because they were invaded and forced to join the 'United Kingdoms'! {ohh, yeah...} :wink:

We don't need nukes to take care of a few ragheads, conventional arms work well enough...
It's not the war that cost us so much, it's the 'peace' afterwards that's expensive!

The last 50 years? We've hardly invaded much of anyone, compared to the 50 years before that...
Panama, yes, but would YOU want to live under Manuel Noriega?
{Yes, the CIA probably put him there, but the CIA in no way expresses the will of the US people...}

We have expressed our sympathy, and offered our support, when the IRA has commited atrocities...
We have, in fact, worked hard to broker peace agreements between you, and they...
and it seems to be working fairly well, all things considered!

So, what, really, is your problem?

hmmm, lets review

America has funded the IRA for years, calling them a "freedom fighting organisation" the IRA then bomb London, and Manchester. If we Brits followed Bush's advice, we'd have to invade Ireland to catch some terrorists.

America has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, meaning MAD is certain if terrorists ever fire a nuke at America, for example religious extremists who believe that they are Martyrs that will go to Allah when they die.

Over the last 50 years America has invaded many countries, unlawfully, and deposed democratically elected presidents such as the president of Panama

I have American friends from Iowa, and painful as this may be, its because I'm not an American that I can be objective and say that you brought this on yourself with your empire building.

I mean, who cared when the IRA bombed the UK? Where was America? I'll tell you, busy funding them and living easy, not even bothering with airport security checks.

No wonder you guys hate us, if you believe THIS kind of nonsense!
First, yes, the IRA gets most of it's funding from the US...
That's from individual citizens of the US, usually of Irish descent, and NOT the federal Government!
And, as to invading Ireland...
You already DID that, remember?
That's WHY you have an IRA in the first place, because they were invaded and forced to join the 'United Kingdoms'! {ohh, yeah...} :wink:

We don't need nukes to take care of a few ragheads, conventional arms work well enough...
It's not the war that cost us so much, it's the 'peace' afterwards that's expensive!

The last 50 years? We've hardly invaded much of anyone, compared to the 50 years before that...
Panama, yes, but would YOU want to live under Manuel Noriega?
{Yes, the CIA probably put him there, but the CIA in no way expresses the will of the US people...}

We have expressed our sympathy, and offered our support, when the IRA has commited atrocities...
We have, in fact, worked hard to broker peace agreements between you, and they...
and it seems to be working fairly well, all things considered!

So, what, really, is your problem?

This is arrogant, nonsence!!! :x

Firstly - Had Europe been fully overtaken by the Axis, then America would have fallen also!

Secondly - The only reason America entered the second world war was due to it being attacked by the Axis, so dont give me that bull shite about America being a great allie to European countries.

Thirdly - America alone couldn't have taken on the Germans, it was due to all the countries of the allies that the Germans were beaten. Dont let 'Saving Private Ryan' fool you, America was one of many nations that stormed the beach.

Fourthly - Omaha beach was only one of many battles that lead to the fall of Germany such as Normandy, The Battle of Britain etc.

Lastly - If any one nation had the biggest contribution to the downfall of the Germans, it would be Russia. They should be the ones we are all thankful of for defeating the Nazi's. That must hurt all the anti-communits of America!

It really riles me up when Americans think they are the saviors of Europe. Though I do not point this at all Americans as i have a few American friends.

Thank god that's off my chest *Phew* :lol:

Speaking of arrogant nonsense...
We kind of have an entire ocean between us and Europe!
We might have fallen, eventually, to the Axis powers... but a 'seperate peace' would have been far more likely!
Adolph was QUITE angry with the Japanese for getting usinvolved in the war...

As to Russia and England? How long would they have lasted without assistance from America? Remember 'Lend/Lease', people?

We *might* not have been able to take out Adolph on our own (though we were planning on doing so, even if we had to retake the UK first...), but it was clear that the rest of Europe, put together, wasn't going to be able to manage the job! That's why we say it was an Allied victory, not an American one... and certainly NOT a European victory!

The battle of Britain was certainly important, and we have NEVER said that the contributions of the Allies were unimportant...
but, without American involvement, Europe would, very likely, be speaking German, and be proud members of the Nazi party, for a long time after the war was over...

How can you protect somebody from someone who is not even threatening.
He did even have any weapons with which he could attack anyone. UN sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and nobody cares.
Iraq breakes one UN resolution and he gets attacked, Israel breaks more than 40 resolutions and they still attack palestinians.

Thank you, for reiterating the enemy's propoganda!
If Saddam had NO weapons with which he could attack anyone, may I ask how he managed to kill 10,000 of his own people every month, until we showed up? For that matter, did you ever hear of 'The Republican Guard'?
How do you think he got all those people to go to that prison, to be tortured to death, without any weapons?
No, he didn't have any Nuclear Weapons (what everybody really thinks of when you talk about WMD), but he had plenty of the conventional sort, and the willingness to use them...
Remember the Invasion of Kuwait?
Who stepped in and took some, but not all, of those weapons from him?

As far as the Israeli/Palestine conflict, please...
get real!
Saddam was not surrounded by hostile nations wishing to commit genocide against his people (he reserved THAT 'right' for himself!}...
Israel has tried (usually under intense pressure from the US) to make peace with Palestine, again, and again, and again...
every time they come close, there's another wave of terrorist bombings, to make sure it never happens!
There IS, functionally, no such thing as Palestine!
There's some squiggles on a map (and most such maps show no indication of a state of Israel), but when it comes to negotiating a peace agreement with a Government, the Palestineans have proven that they have none, want none, and will not allow one to form!

Oh, and yes...
I once had sympathy for the Palestineans...
Then, on September 11, we were attacked, and the Palestineans celebrated in the streets, laughing and dancing, and handing out candy to their children, telling them that a great victory had been won...
I'm supposed to care what happens to these 'people' for what reason, now?

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
Why don't you get real about the facts behind the conflict before acusing the Palestinians of every peace break down. They want a peace deal to form, but a fair peace deal, as of yet none has been offered, or Isreal has failed to live up to their side of the deal either.
You may not have noticed, but alot of Palestinains expressed regret at the actions of celebration of 9-11.
I still care about what happens to the Palestinains and the Isrealis, despite the fact Isreal was formed by the killing of 90 British people in the King David hotel.