NationStates Jolt Archive

First off,as a foreigner in an overwhelmingly american online community,I read this article at the World Armed Forces Forum(
http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833) under the north american section.

Take a good.long hard look at yourselves americans.Some of the points raised below are valid,some aren't.some are just fabrications by the author.but take a good look because most of these incidents are true.

Taken from this website
http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html%3C/a

Since 2001-9-11, US citizens have been asking ``Why do they hate us so much?'' For most US citizens, this is a rhetorical question. They don't really want to know why. They just want to voice their belief that they are the best country in the world and that they have never done anything wrong. On the contrary - so they say they believe - they have been the most generous and helpful country in the world. Unfortunately, the facts are quite different. The USA is very good at media manipulation. Their propaganda techniques would have made Goebbels faint with delight. The USA has helped the world, but just as often, they have helped themselves - to the resources and well-being of the world. US foreign policy is openly based completely on ``national self-interest'', not international cooperation. The only kind of cooperation the USA understands is where other countries ``cooperate'' with the USA - i.e. other countries must do what the USA tells them to do or else.

Having good advertising/propaganda technique is not in itself a bad thing, but it does mean that US citizens can't see the world clearly from within their own environment. The USA is in many ways an excellent country. The problem is just that this is so often at cost to the rest of the world, both in wealth and lives. State-of-the-art media manipulation ensures that most US citizens don't know what is being done in their name.

Starting on 2001-12-21, I'll start writing out the reasons why most people in the world hate the USA. (I wrote down 42 reasons in the first 2 hours of writing.) These reasons will not be in order of strength of hate. Please ignore the order. I'm just using a numbering so that I can count the reasons easily. The thing that made me realise that US Americans aren't aware of the USA's misdeeds was an interview in which their president said he couldn't think of a single reason why anyone would hate the USA. (I hope his staff have given him some clues since then. If not, he can read this web page.) US Americans genuinely don't understand how much evil they do because they have a blind spot for their own evil.

About 3000 innocent civilians were killed on 2001-9-11. This is a tiny token compared the suffering inflicted on the world by the USA. (Perhaps I should also mention that the murder rate in the USA is about 80 per million per annum, which is about 20,000 per annum for the whole country. So the deaths on 2001-9-11 were less than a typical 2 months of murders in the USA. The murder rate in Australia is only about 20 per million per annum because we have strict gun control laws.)

The United States sees all world issues with one eye closed. US citizens see only what is good about themselves and their client states and what is bad in others. But they should open the other eye too - and see the evil in themselves and the good in others.

In the USA, it is said that ``the terrorists hate the democracy and freedom of the USA and the West''. This is complete garbage. Anyone with more than 5 neurons working in their brain knows that this is garbage. People worldwide admire the good things of the USA and hate the bad things. US citizens must do some homework to find out what crimes, barbarism and atrocities are committed in their name. It's the same old story - the people are good, but the government is bad. The difference in a democracy is that the people choose their government (more or less). So in a democracy, the people are responsible for the crimes and evil of their government. People who trumpet the virtues of their democracy should remember that they are responsible for the crimes of their government. There are so many good people in the USA, isn't it a shame they're not running the country.

The USA has built up a deep reservoir of hate against it. The reservoir of hate has become much deeper since 2001-9-11. Sometimes the dam wall breaks a little. But if the USA does not open its eyes soon, the dam wall will burst wide open and unleash the entire reservoir. The suicide hijackings are just the first in a series of anti-USA actions which are sure to continue. If you whip an angry lion, it does not lie down and roll over. A country which has a ``shoot'em up'' approach to world politics should not be surprised when some of their victims take the same attitude. Since the USA has been terrorizing the world for the last 100 years, they can't be surprised if a little terror blows back at them. If the USA continues to treat the other countries of the world as some sort of naughty provinces, they could soon find that no US citizen will be safe without bodyguards in almost any part of the world.



Some reasons why the USA is so hated.

Massive war crimes in Vietnam war: The mass murder of well over 1 million (some say about 3 million) innocent Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam war was an act of mass state terrorism. (The USA also used chemical weapons such as dioxins in this aggressive war.) The USA should have been forced to pay hundreds of billions of dollars of reparations for their war crimes. But instead, the USA imposed horrendous trade sanctions on Vietnam which led to mass starvation for many years. At the same time, the USA forced the Vietnamese to put a humiliating amount of effort into finding decades-old corpses of American war criminals. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian Vietnamese died without their bodies being recovered. But US citizens are capable of feeling no sympathy for any people other than their own. They think that one American is worth a thousand foreigners. There are many people in the USA even now who are proud of their participation in the mass murder and war crimes in Vietnam.

Destruction of democracy in Chile: The removal of the freely elected democratic government of Chile by the CIA, including the bombing of the presidential palace (on another September 11), followed by the murder of thousands of innocent civilians. This proves that the USA is not in favour of democracy.

Embargo of Cuba but not China or Saudi Arabia: Decades of embargo of the popular government of Cuba, while the USA gives most favoured nation status to China, which is one of the most undemocratic governments in the world. The support for China and Saudi Arabia is purely in the US self-interest. The dislike of Cuba by the USA is really due to the fact that Cuba does not bow to the USA.
Preference for totalitarian China, not democratic Taiwan: For a few decades now, the USA has been cooperating with China in the international ostracism of Taiwan. Although Taiwan is a democratic country and China is a totalitarian dictatorship, the USA takes the side of China. This is because the USA wants access to China's markets for its own mega-capitalists. This shows that the USA is against democracy. The USA actually prefers to have totalitarian dictatorships as allies, as has been shown for many decades around the world. The USA is not pro-democracy. The USA is just pro-mega-capitalist. How can anyone believe that the USA prefers democracy when they see them isolate Taiwan so as to be friendly towards China? Some people argue that the USA is the world's strongest guarantor of Taiwan's security against Chinese agression, but the USA also accepts and propagates the lie that Taiwan is part of China, and the USA gave the Taiwanese seat at the UN to China.
The USA supported the military junta in Greece 1967-1974: See this summary.

Total devotion to Israel despite 5 decades of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians: The USA continues to protect, encourage and finance the apartheid colony of Israel in its crimes against humanity in Palestine. The USA thwarts every humane gesture by the United Nations. The USA encourages and financially supports the slaughter of several hundred innocent people in Palestine every year by the Israeli death squads seeking Lebensraum. It is clear that the USA's ruling class is in love with Israel. They are blinded by love. [If the Palestinians all converted to Christianity, the scales would fall from the eyes of the US Americans. Then they would realise that the Palestinians are human beings.] The occupied West Bank of Jordan resembles the Warsaw Ghetto of World War II. The occupied West Bank is a slave colony of the jewish Israelis. But deeds which were evil when the Germans did them in WW2 are now encouraged every day by the USA when the Israeli land thieves do them. Seeing the enthusiastic US American support for Israelis turning innocent Palestinians into mincemeat is the principal cause of worldwide muslim anger against the USA. (Jewish intellectuals, as individuals, are the best people in the world in my opinion. The jewish people have the highest regard for education, intelligence and learning. But the Israeli apartheid regime has soiled the good name of all jewish people.)

My personal theory about the love affair between the USA and Israel is that US Americans feel a deep sense of emptiness in their short history. They can look back with nostalgia to the early migrations, the severance from Britain, the settlement/appropriation of the West, and the Civil War. But they have no deep sense of history as other nations have. To fill this gap, they look to the christian bible, which is tacked onto the jewish bible, and see their deeper origins as lying in Jewish history. Therefore US Americans feel that in some fundamental sense they originate from the Jewish people. So the love of Israel is really a kind of yearning for the ancestors. If the USA severed its attachment to Israel, US Americans would have to face the emptiness of their own short history. Some people wonder why a rich country such as the USA is so obsessed with religion. (Usually religion fades in rich countries.) The answer may be that christianity gives the USA a deeper national creation mythology than they can compose in their own right. The jewish and christian stories are substitutes for a deeper US American national creation mythology.

Causing the `Asian meltdown' through oppressive loan conditions: Enforcement of completely inappropriate and humiliating conditions on Thailand through the IMF, which is controlled by the USA. In the ``Asian crisis'' of about 1997, the currency of Thailand collapsed, due to the sudden withdrawal of huge amounts of capital, mostly by the USA. As a result, there was massive unemployment, thousands of people committed suicide, and the misery continues to this day. The IMF forced Thailand to carry out even more inappropriate measures after the crisis, whereas Malaysia refused the IMF commands. Malaysia's economy improved quickly but Thailand's did not. The economies of Vietnam and China hardly noticed the ``Asian meltdown'', because they did not follow the IMF commands.

Support for Pol Pot genocide: The USA backed Pol Pot with arms, training, finance and full diplomatic support for over a decade. This was one of the worst regimes in history, which killed over 1/3 of the population of the country. But the USA supported Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as they continued to commit atrocities and destroy the country of Cambodia with land mines. The rise of Pol Pot started when the USA was illegally bombing huge areas of Cambodia and Laos, intentionally killing vast numbers of innocent civilians. The USA has never apologized for these crimes.
Colonization of Hawaii: The USA colonized and annexed Hawaii. The USA should decolonise this independent nation. This proves that the USA is not anti-colonization.

Training of terrorists in Latin America: The USA funds the infamous terrorist training school called the ``School of the Americas''.
Funding, weapons and training for Nicaraguan terrorists: The USA gave huge amounts of funding to terrorists in Nicaragua who killed hundreds of thousands of Nicaraguans in the 1980s with guns and mines on farmland. Tens of thousands of innocent civilians lost their legs or were maimed in other ways. When there was finally an election along US-approved lines, the USA said the vote was not fair and would not be recognized - until it emerged that the USA's puppet won, and then they immediately announced that the election was completely fair. (The previous election which brought the Sandinistas to power was recognized by official European observors and everyone else as free and fair. But the people didn't elect a a pro-mega-capitalist government. So the US rejected that election as flawed. This is because US governments think that democracy and pro-US-capitalism are the same thing. The USA was happy with the previous puppet dictator Somoza.)

Illegal mining of Managua harbour: The USA illegally mined Managua harbour. When the USA was taken to the international court for this and the USA lost the case, the USA immediately withdrew its recognition of the court, even though it had agreed by treaty to give at least 6 months notice of withdrawal of recognition. The USA clearly believes that only other countries need to abide by international agreements. The USA is exempt from all international law.

Culturally offensive behaviour overseas: The USA is generally hated for its citizens' Disneyland attitude to tourism. When US citizens travel abroad, they often think that everything is a kind of theme park for them to photograph and denigrate. US citizens talk loudly and coarsely when overseas. They abuse and insult the women. They think that their money gives them the right to do anything they want. The US ignorance of foreign cultures and languages is legendary. Americans get irate when people of other countries can' speak fluent English. It is true that many US Americans are very polite, considerate and civilised when overseas. Some of them even speak a non-English language! But the US Americans who make the the most impression are the loud and lusty ones.
Lack of empathy for suffering in poor countries: US citizens have absolutely no comprehension of how much other countries suffer. A typical attitude is shown by some US women who see news stories of third world countries where people are starving and say things like: ``Ooh, I'd die for that slim figure.''

Arrogant, conceited nationalism: US citizens have a general attitude that they are rich because they are superior. This is totally explicitly stated, especially on ceremonial occasions. The reason the USA is rich is for many reasons, including very successful exploitation of other countries, the fact that they came into World Wars I and II very late when other countries were exhausted, the geographical isolation of the USA, the fertile land which they took from the indigenous people (whom they largely exterminated), and their homogeneous language and culture.
Imposition of unfair conditions of trade: Throughout the 1990s, the USA has been imposing ``globalisation'' on the whole world. This is a propaganda term which means americanisation of culture, economics and politics. All countries are forced to cut back on all public services and social welfare as the US has done, and every country must accept anything that the US wants to export, no matter how much this harms the economies of non-US countries. This often means that even valid health objections are rejected by the USA. When other countries succeed in exporting to the USA, e.g. farm goods at 1/3 the cost of production, the USA puts on heavy tariffs and gives substantial support to US farmers. Current estimates are that 50% of US farm income comes from the government. The USA does not permit any other country to do this. When other countries object, the USA wrangles in courts for years until so much damage is done that the issue is no longer relevant. The so-called ``globalisation'' ideology is making poor countries poorer and the USA richer.

Theft of Spanish lands in America: The USA stole vast areas of land from the Spanish empire to create California, Texas etc.
Support for Indonesian massacre of Chinese: The USA approved the Suharto government's killing of about 500,000 Chinese Indonesians who were suspected of being communist sympathisers.
Support for Indonesian invasion and massacre of East Timor: The US government gave the go-ahead to the Indonesian government to invade East Timor in 1975. This resulted in the several hundred thousand deaths of innocent civilians, with US approval.
Invasion of Haiti: Occupation of Haiti in 1994 to install US choice of régime. (See also 2004 overthrow of democracy in Haiti by USA.) The USA also invaded and occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934.
Invasion of Panama: Invasion of Panama to get just one guy, Noriega, who happened to be a CIA employee who was conducting most of the cocaine trade from South America into the USA. US forces killed many innocent people.

Invasion of Grenada: Invasion of Grenada in 1983 to install pro-US government. This was part of Reagan's foreign actions to make US citizens feel proud again. (The USA really should find ways of feeling good that don't involve making foreigners into mincemeat.)
Attempted invasion of Cuba: Unsuccessful invasion of Cuba (1961) to install pro-US-capitalist government. Large numbers of people pointlessly killed for ideological/economic reasons, with no apology. In 2002, the US government still hates Cuba more than any country. The USA takes a very, very long time to forgive countries which successfully resist (and thereby humiliate) the US Empire. (Others include Iran and Vietnam.)
Forcing poor countries to import US tobacco: In many countries, especially in Asia, the USA has forced governments to accept imports of US tobacco as a condition of normalising trade. And in some countries, the USA insisted that since they had to catch up for lost sales of cigarettes in the past, they should be allowed to conduct big advertising campaigns. They insisted on this despite the fact that many of these countries had already banned cigarette advertising for health reasons. Therefore the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Asians is due to these disgusting ``fair trade'' conditions by the USA.

Support for Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan: Support of muslim fanatics in Afghanistan to kill Russians and other Soviet citizens. The Russian presence improved the quality and equality of life in Afghanistan. As a result of US actions in Afghanistan, huge numbers of Russian conscripts were killed, the country's political system collapsed, and the political vacuum was filled by US client groups who violated human rights on a vast scale with US support, knowledge and acquiescence.
Support for Iraqi war crimes and weapons of mass destruction: Support for Iraqi aggression against Iran in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s, despite the very well-known fact that Iraq attacked Iran pre-emptively without warning from the air in the expectation of destroying all of Iran's planes on the ground and occupying all of Iran. The Iraqis killed over 1 million Iranians (which helps explain the high proportion of young people in Iran now 20 years later). The Iraqis used chemical and biological weapons with US knowledge and active support because of the US desire to punish Iran. (This shows that the USA is in favour of the use of `weapons of mass destruction' by its clients, allies and puppets. WMDs are okay for the USA's friends.) The USA never forgives a country which has beaten or humiliated the USA. In punishment for the Iranians taking 50 US citizens hostage for 1 year, the USA strongly supported and assisted the murder of millions of Iranians. The USA still has punishing sanctions against Iran for no good reason.

While siding with Iraq against Iran, the US shot down an Iranian passenger plane, killing hundreds of people, even though it was clear from all sources of information that it was a civilian plane. Some trigger-happy naval officer shot it down before thinking. This is the problem with giving the muscles of a giant to someone with the mind of a child. The USA just so easily wipes out hundreds, thousands or millions of lives without consequences to itself. The same trigger-happy reckless behaviour has been shown by the US military in all conflicts. But when anything happens to a US citizen, there's hypocritical moral outrage.

Killing thousands of innocent poor Afghans: In the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, the USA, looking for a small group of bandits, has shot up the whole country, causing a massive increase in starvation and other suffering. When several hundred (about 350) Taleban surrendered in one city, the USA used aerial bombing to kill every one of them, even though they were unarmed and had surrendered. This is a very serious war crime under the Geneva convention. Combatants are required to ``give quarter'', but the USA has operated an explicit policy of taking no prisoners. They stated that they intended all al Qaida and Taliban to be killed. The USA should be brought before war crimes tribunals for these crimes, but the USA will refuse to even think about this possibility. In fact, the US government has passed a law to impose sanctions on any country which cooperates with the International Criminal Court, and they have passed a law to indemnify all US war criminals from any legal action. Thus the USA has declared that it is free to commit war crimes with impunity. (2002-12-19: It has emerged that the USA was responsible for the murder of about 8000 Taliban who had surrendered. This is why the USA is so afraid of the International Criminal Court. They are as bad as the Serbs were in the 1990s.) (2003-3-24: The US government says that the Iraqis must abide by the Geneva convention in the treatment of US prisoners. But the USA denied Geneva convention rights to thousands of Afghan prisoners from 2001. After more than a year, these prisoners are still being maltreated in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. This shows once again that all countries in the world must obey international conventions - all countries except the USA.) After tearing up the Geneva Convention in regard to Afghanistan, the USA complained loudly about extremely minor matters in their illegal war of aggression against Iraq in 2003, for example when photos of prisoners were shown on TV, which is not actually against the Geneva Convention. The USA insists that other countries must very precisely obey international conventions, but the USA never accepts that international law applies to them.

Monopoly of GPS systems for world military dominance: The USA is currently (late 2001) preventing Europe from starting its own GPS system. They say it is against US interests. Indeed it is. If the US goes to war with any country, it can use ``Selective Availability'' to remove GPS capability from any region of the earth - but the USA military have the decryption codes to use the GPS even if it is rendered completely useless to other nations. This makes it more difficult for non-US countries to aim cruise missiles, but it also cripples air travel and sea travel within the region. This power over the whole world is awesome, and the US cannot be trusted with this power. And now they are trying to stop Europe from taking away the US monopoly. The USA is always against any other country having any sort of monopoly, but fiercely defends its own monopolies.

Unequal trade in defence contracts: The USA requires other countries to permit US companies to bid for defence contracts, and they are believed to use echelon intercepts to find out the bids of their opposition. But foreign countries are not allowed to bid on US contracts mostly, because the US only trusts US citizens to work on US defence projects.
Corrupt, undemocratic US voting system: When other countries have slight irregularities in voting procedures, the USA takes this as a pretext to impose heavy trade sanctions. But often these irregularities are caused mostly by ignorance or misunderstandings. But in the 2000 election in the USA, thousands of African Americans were turned back from the polls in Florida because the officials knew that they would vote for the Democrats. As a result the candidate with the second-most votes was selected to be president. This kind of outright racism and election fixing would be regarded as unacceptable in third world countries. A new election would be required, but in the USA, the ``national interest'' required that the irregularities be ignored. The hypocrisy of US government lectures on democracy to other countries is shown by the widespread gerrymanders, ``first past the post'' voting, and ``electoral colleges'' in the USA. At best, one could call the USA a ``guided democracy''.

Corrupt political lobbying in the USA: The US lectures other countries on cronyism, but has the worst case of crony capitalism in the world. The US government gives in to corporate lobbying on all subjects, including the protection of US farmers and industries from free world trade. The jewish lobbying causes the US government to support horrible human rights abuses in occupied Palestine. The USA's form of government could be accurately described as ``policy payola''.
Rejection/sabotage of international standards: Whenever an international standard develops for anything, the USA tries to undermine it. Just one example is the adoption of GSM, which was invented in Europe. The US ideology demanded that there should be multiple competing digital mobile phone technologies because pointless competition is part of the USA's culture. As a result, the USA ended up with an appalling mess in mobile telephony whereas the rest of the world got the very successful GSM. Just like IBM had a long history of thwarting every attempt to build industry-wide standards in the computer industry (they only attended standards meeting to sabotage and delay any standards), so the USA tries to prevent the emergence of all world standards. The USA regards international standards as a threat to its world dominance. International standards are ``not the US national interest''.

One-sided world spy system: The USA has a world-wide spying system called ``echelon'', operated in conjunction with the English-speaking AUSCANNZUKUS alliance. [That's AUS+CAN+NZ+UK+US in alphabetical order. Clever little acronym, isn't it!] This is used to give the USA economic supremacy and political advantage by listening in to all phone calls in the world. The USA has recently passed laws to give it authority over all computer traffic (Internet) which passes through US territory. They have given themselves extra-territorial jurisdiction over supposed computer crimes committed with no connection at all with the USA. Extra-territorial jurisdiction is very much hated by other countries. The USA never accepts extra-territorial jurisdiction by other countries, as shown by the case where France required Yahoo to not sell Nazi memorabilia to French citizens. A US court overturned this.
Denial of data security and computer technology to poor countries: For many decades, the US has operated an international cartel of capitalist countries to deny strong encryption and powerful computers to any country which the US has any sort of disagreement with. This has helped to impoverish many other countries.

Secretly breaking its own trade boycotts to gain advantage: When the USA organised an international boycott of selling wheat to the USSR in 1980, the USA secretly agreed with the boycotted countries that the USA would get all of their contracts after the boycott was lifted. Thus countries like Australia which went along with the boycott lost all their markets to the USA after the boycott was lifted. This was very much hated in Australia. The USA also mucked up the whole 1980 Olympics because of their objection to the USSR entry into Afghanistan. If this is how the USA treats its allies, its a wonder that the USA has any allies at all.

Bullying low-crime countries to accept gun proliferation: The USA tries to export its gun culture/obsession to other countries. US lobby groups send missionaries to other countries, such as Australia, to strengthen opposition to gun laws. Since the USA has about 4 times the per capita murder rate of Australia, this is not a very good idea for Australia. But the USA thinks that their constitution is the best in the world, and anyone who is different must be stupid. They also like to sell more guns. So they interfere with the sovereignty of other nations by stirring up and supporting anti-gun-law lobbyists in other countries. The USA uses totally moronic slogans like ``guns don't kill people; people kill people'' to help push their gun culture. But they don't say ``cocain and marihuana don't kill people; people kill people''. You should never listen to any justification the USA gives for any policy. They have only one policy motive, which is naked self-interest: greed and lust for power.

Cultural domination through extra-territorial copyright law: The US imposes its laws against music and video copying throughout the world, exercising extra-territorial `jurisdiction'. Because of the use by pathetically weak encryption by the US music and film industry, the USA has a law called the DMCA, which forbids decryption of music and videos. But people in Europe and Russia have decrypted these formats. Therefore these people are prosecuted in the USA for acts which are legal in other countries. One prominent example is the CSS encryption, which enables US companies to charge more in Europe than in the USA, Asia or Europe, for instance. It also prevents linux users from playing video disks. This kind of market distortion is the opposite to globalisation and is anti-competitive. This shows that the USA lies when they say they are in favour of globalisation and free competition. They are only in favour of globalisation and free competition in market sectors where the USA is strong. In the markets where the USA is weak, they enforce anti-competitive and anti-trade protectionist measures, and laws to distort markets in their favour. The USA has unilaterally extended the 28 years of copyright protection which used to be the international norm to 50 and now to 70 years. (Some people say, probably correctly, that this is to satisfy Disney and such companies.) Then the USA forces their one-sided interests on everyone else. (Here's a news item on this.)

Environmental delinquency: The USA unilaterally withdrew from the climate treaty, because it was not in the US short-term interest to cooperate with other countries. This is despite the fact that the USA has about the same standard of living as western Europe with about twice the per capita energy consumption. The USA is just an extremely inefficient consumer of fuel, which forces to the rest of the world to use less. The USA wants other countries to make economic sacrifices to help the USA, but not vice versa.

Unilateral withdrawal from ABM treaty: The USA is unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty out of perceived self-interest. I think that the Russians have not objected to this because they know that the USA is just wasting its money. But the USA wants to have complete impunity to bomb any country in the world back into the stone age, like Afghanistan, without any risk at all of retaliation.
Economic subjugation and megadeath through extra-territorial patent law: The USA insists that patent law should be sacred world-wide when the USA wants to maximize its profits from AIDS treatment drugs. As a result, millions of people are dying needlessly world-wide in poor countries. But when the USA wanted to get some cheap anti-anthrax drugs because about 3 people in the USA had died, then on the grounds of national emergency, the USA said that they should be able to override the patents just to get a price reduction for a drug which they could well afford. This has outraged people worldwide who see that the value of a USA citizen is a million times greater than that of citizens of other countries, in the USA's view.

War crimes in Germany in WW2: Participation in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians in terrorist attacks on Germany in the Second World War.

First use of nuclear weapons in Japan in WW2: Use of nuclear weapons against hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Japan in the second world war. This was not how the war ended actually. The Japanese had been trying very hard to surrender, but the US refused to accept their surrender because they wanted to try out the nuclear weapons which were ready too late for the European theatre for which they were intended. Thus the USA prolonged the war with Japan so as to be able to test the effects of nuclear weapons on hundreds of thousands of civilians. This is definitely a war crime.

War crimes against Japan in WW2: The USA fire-bombed Tokyo, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, simply with the intention of terrorising the population. This is a serious war crime.
Murder of innocent thousands in Sudan: President Clinton ordered the bombing of a Sudanese pharmaceuticals factory, thinking erroneously that it was for producing some sort of armaments. Several hundred people were killed in this. Then the USA put trade restrictions on Sudan so that pharmaceuticals could not be imported. As a result, since that time many tens of thousands of additional people have died of malaria because that factory was producing anti-malaria drugs. This crime in itself was much more serious than the 2001-9-11 suicide hijacking.

Energy wastage: In terms of energy efficiency, the USA has about the same standard of living as Western Europe but with twice the consumption of energy. As a result, the USA has to control world oil prices so as to maintain its standard of living. On top of this, they refuse to restrict their pollution of the atmosphere. Controlling oil prices requires hegemony over the oil-producing countries, which is partly why the US helps the apartheid regime of Israel acquire weapons of mass destruction.

Support for Irish terrorism: For the last 30 years, the USA has been the principle funder of the Irish terrorists who have been killing both civilians and soldiers trying to keep the peace in Northern Ireland. This shows that the USA only objects to terrorists who are muslim and anti-USA. The anti-british northern Irish terrorists are pro-USA. So the USA sends them lots of money and political support to kill the English in Britain and the protestants in northern Ireland. This shows that the USA very definitely will not declare a war on all terrorists.

Callous, calculated delay in WW2 participation: During the Second World War, the USA was originally planning to send about 215 army divisions to Europe in 1943 to remove the Nazis. But they worked out that this would affect their economy. So they changed their plans and sent only 90 divisions in 1944. As a result, the US economy improved during the World War II, while the economy of Europe contracted by about 25%. during the extra year, several million more people died, including a few million people in concentration camps such as the European Jews. This proves that the USA values its own economy much more than the lives of millions of innocent people in other countries. The US entry into WW2 was in the US interests, not an altruistic act. Until Pearl Harbour, the US was pro-nazi. The US only decided to take the side of democracy in Europe when it was clearly in the USA's self-interest to do so.

Support for Jewish terrorism in creation of the Colony of Israel: When the Jewish terrorists killed British and Palestinian people in 1945-1948, the USA gave full support to the terrorists to create a colony out of the land stolen from the Palestinians. The USA supported, financed and harboured these terrorists. Clearly the USA is pro-terrorist. Menachim Begin was one of the terrorists who bombed the King David Hotel in Palestine, and yet the USA gave him full support. In the same way, the USA fully supports the war criminal Ariel Sharon now. Isn't it odd that the country which receives the strongest and most unconditional US support in the world is a country which was created through terrorism? (Come to think of it, the USA itself was created through terrorism against the indigenous peoples, the British and the Mexicans.)

Wilful disregard of Rwandan genocide: When the US personnel in Ruanda knew that there was about to be a massacre, they quickly got all their people out of there and let the massacre happen, making almost no public comment while 800,000 people were murdered. The USA could have stopped it, but they were worried that US citizens might die as they did in Somalia. This must be what the US government means by moral leadership. US moral leadership means getting out of anything that is of no immediate benefit to the USA. One US citizen means more to the US government than 800,000 Ruandans. The US government pretended that they didn't know there was going to be a genocide, because then they would have been obliged under the Genocide Convention to do something about it. But revelations since then have shown that the government did know about it before and while it was happening.

Harrassing the creation of the International Criminal Court: The US government has done everything it can to hinder the establishment of an international court to prosecute war criminals and crimes against humanity because they are worried that they and their client states will be brought before this court. They have even passed a law to put sanctions on any country which cooperates with the international court. Once again, the USA uses extra-territorial quasi-legal measures to intimidate other countries, even their nominal friends and allies, as a way of achieving the USA's self-interest. In this case, the USA knows that it regularly commits war crimes all over the world. As a result, it will not be possible to bring war criminals of other nationalities to such a court. (PS. During July 2002, the USA has been threatening to close down all UN peacekeeping activities if their war crimes are not made immune to prosecution. This kind of abuse of the UN is reminiscent of Kruschev banging his shoe on the table to stop proceedings. The USA is now treating the UN as its own rubber stamp.)

Sex tourism by military and civilians: When US males travel overseas, they have only one principal objective, namely to have sex with as many local women as possible. US women should know that when their partners travel overseas, they spend all of their time and energy (and much of their money) trying to get sex with local women. This spreads diseases and unwanted children. US males tell lies to women to dupe them into having sex with them. This is true in all parts of the world, Asia, Europe, Australia, and everywhere else.

Resistance to globalisation of measurement units: While lecturing and bullying the rest of the world to accept US exports under the slogan of ``globalisation'', which really means Americanization of non-US economies, the USA refuses to globalise its measurement units. They still use the medieval units known as British Imperial measures even though 95% of the world has converted to modern decimal-based units (the metric or SI system) as developed in France during the 18th century. The USA is 200 years behind the rest of the world, but they keep bullying everyone else to be like them. It's time they showed some commitment to globalization and immediately removed all usage of miles, furlongs, acres, fahrenheit, feet, inches, pounds, ounces, imperial tons, hundredweight, stones, gallons and quarts. The old units are so quaint, but they are a serious impediment to world trade. Get moving, USA, and catch up with the rest of the world!!! Every other country has to produce everything in dual units for the USA. The USA claims to be very modern, but is in actual fact the most backward bountry in the world in measuring units. Everybody else in the world can cope with metric units. So why can't the USA cope?

Attempting to create/maintain world monopolies: One of the many clear examples of the USA creating or maintaining world monopolies is Boeing. In the last year or so, the European competitor Airbus Industrie announced they would build a very large passenger plane, and the US government said it wasn't fair competition because there was some government loan involved. But the USA gives huge tax advantages to its own capitalists so that they can compete unfairly with other countries. Boeing doesn't have the same burden to contribute to the social welfare that Airbus does in Europe. The Europeans believe that capitalists should pay tax to support the general social good, whereas the USA think that the ordinary taxpayers should support their industries. This gives the USA a strong edge in overseas markets because their taxpayers are subsidising their companies. Therefore it is fully justified for European governments to give a little money back to Airbus to partially compensate for the larger tax burden in Europe. Another way that the USA gives its capitalists an unfair advantage is through the use of the echelon spy system to acquire information on how the bidding is progressing for tenders for big projects, for example for aeroplane purchases. This kind of abuse of a supposed defence system for shafting the overseas competition is greatly resented, as are all of the unfair competitive malpractices of the USA.

Support for massacres by UNITA in Angola: The USA gave strong support to the UNITA terrorists (led by Jonas Savimbi) in Angola who massacred about 500,000 people in the most horrible way. The killings occurred especially after they lost free elections which they had agreed to. The reason the USA supported UNITA was the fact that the legitimate government was socialist. This is yet another proof that the USA's government is anti-democracy. Only pro-capitalist governments are supported by the USA. In fact, the USA always confuses laissez-faire economics with democracy. They think that any government that restricts capitalism in any way must be ``undemocratic''. The US-supported UNITA destroyed to economy of Angola, which otherwise would have been a very rich country. Any country which resists US laissez-faire economic ideology is opposed and crushed.

Export of catholic ideology, causing massive AIDS deaths: In order to get votes from the catholic anti-condom, anti-contraception, anti-abortion (and anti many other things) lobby, the US government impedes the use of condoms in poor countries which have a serious AIDS problem. Just as one example, Kenya has a very serious AIDS problem, but the US has cut off aid to organisations in Kenya making condoms available to prevent AIDS. The result in poor countries of this sort of policy is a vast increase in AIDS sickness and death. The USA say that they give a lot of foreign aid. But this is propaganda nonsense. The USA gives only about 0.1% of GDP in foreign aid, compared to 3 times that much for most western countries. Some western countries give as much as 1% of GDP in foreign aid. The USA is near the bottom of the league table in overseas aid. (But they're at the top of the league table in killing innocent civilians with bombs.) The consequence of the USA's negative attitude to contraception for poor countries is actually an increase in abortions because of unaffordable pregnancies. Logic has never been a strong point of US government policies. (GW Bush is known to have paid for an abortion for his girlfriend, which has been kept quiet by US media which are pro-Republican. See here and here.)

Export of American recreational drug choices: The USA insists that all other countries must follow the USA's ideology on recreational drugs, which means that tobacco and alcohol are okay, but hemp, heroin, cocain etc. are not permitted. Other countries have different ideas on which drugs to tolerate and which to ban. But the USA insists that all countries must accept the USA's choice of drugs and must reject all others. This is a little dictatorial. But it is also extremely hypocritical. Even presidents of the USA have taken drugs, such as gwb taking cocain. But the most recent example of the USA's weird attitudes towards drugs is Afghanistan. The Taliban reduced opium poppy production from 3300 tons to 180 tons (or something like that) in the last year, but the USA refused to remove sanctions that they imposed to force the reduction in poppy production. (I believe the 180 tons was produced in the area not under the control of the Taleban - it was produced in the area controlled by the US allies, the Northern Alliance.) So the Taleban did exactly as asked, but the USA refused to remove the sanctions. But now that the Taleban's opponents (the USA's allies) have taken over, poppy production is back up again, and the USA is taking Afghanistan off its list of nations which produce bad drugs. So just as the heroin production goes up, the USA removes the sanctions. It's just astonishing that the US thinks that everyone should take them seriously on drugs. If they were really serious about stopping drugs, they would follow the course of the Netherlands and Switzerland, which are having serious success in combatting drugs.

USA is protectionist - but everybody else must accept free trade: In March 2002, the USA put up to 30% tariffs on steel imports to protect the inefficient US steel industry and get votes for the next election. The USA's propagandists have been on the airwaves explaining why this is a good thing. Unfortunately, the arguments they have used in favour of US protectionism, if true, are even more true for the poor countries of the world. If a rich country like the USA needs to protect its industries, then surely the poor countries have even more need. This is just typical of the USA's approach to politics - first work out what's in the USA's self-interest, then muster the arguments to support the decision. But if the same arguments are used to defend the actions of any other country, they are rejected. Somehow free trade is supposed to be good for every country in the world, but protectionism of the farm sector, the steel sector etc., is good for the USA. People in the USA just can't remember the arguments they used last month for last month's policies. The ``right argument'' for the USA is always the argument which benefits the USA this month. Protecting the workers is a good thing when the USA wants to increase the cost of production in poor countries to reduce their competitiveness, but protecting the workers is a bad thing when US companies want to exploit workers. A good example of US American protectionism is the exclusion of catfish imports from Vietnam. The USA just can't compete. So they call efficient production ``dumping'' or ``unfair trade''. But that just means that the USA can't compete on a level playing field.

CIA trained Mujahideen to make heroin from poppies: The Mujahideen in Afghanistan did not make poppies into heroin until the CIA showed them how to do this so as to get Russian soldiers hooked on heroin. So now Afghanistan is a big exporter of heroin. In fact, the Taleban stopped the growing of poppies, and the US backed the Northern Alliance which kept making heroin when the Taleban stopped 95% of production. All over the world, the CIA is known to have encouraged their clients (local anti-democratic terrorist groups) to get into illegal drug production to finance their terrorist activities. This is particularly true in Central and South America. And yet the USA is always lecturing to other countries that they should have zero tolerance of the drugs which they choose to make illegal. The USA is against compassion for drug victims such as is shown by the Netherlands government.

Bhopal disaster, India: When a US company caused the deaths of many thousands of people in India, the USA gave negligeable compensation to the victims. The sympathy for these people was less than the sympathy for any minor incident in the USA. The USA's big companies value the lives of non-US citizens at absolute zero. But when even one US citizen is killed, there's a huge fuss. If the USA wants people to feel sympathetic towards their victims of disasters, they should start regarding non-US citizens as full human beings. All the USA thinks about in disasters like Bhopal is how to minimize the compensation payouts. So why should anyone feel sympathy for the much less serious NY incident on 2001-9-11. The USA is milking that incident for all it's worth.

Korea Airlines KAL 007 spying mission: When there was very strong opposition throughout Europe to the stationing of US intermediate range ballistic missiles in Europe for pre-emptive attacks on the Soviet Union - which would have caused Europe to be annihilated by the Soviet Union if such an attack had been launched - the USA organised for a Korean Airlines passenger plane to conduct a spy flight over a Soviet launch facility during a Soviet military exercise, thereby provoking the Soviet Union to destroy the plane. The USA doctored tapes which were presented to the United Nations. The USA had closely tracked the spy mission with an AWACS plane. The USA didn't confess to having conducted a spy mission with a passenger plane until well after the issue had left the headlines. In the meantime, the political effect of the destruction of the KAL 007 plane was to remove all opposition to intermediate range ballistic missiles in Europe. So the USA got its policies forced onto Europe at the cost of several hundred Korean lives. (In case anyone thinks that the USA's spy satellites were so good that they didn't need to make spy flights, remember that a US spy flight near China was brought down in April 2001. So more than a decade later, the US still needs to make spy flights.)

US citizens are the most wasteful people on Earth: To sustain their lifestyle, US citizens consume about 10 to 20 times the resources per capita of the average of the rest of the world including Europe. Americans think they're the most productive people on Earth. They are not. They don't produce the most. They just consume the most. Just as one example, they burn about 25% of the fossil fuels which are consumed by all people on Earth, but US citizens are only about 4% of the population of the Earth. So that means that they consume about (25/4)/(75/96) = 8 times the average of all other nations. US citizens consume about twice the fuel of western Europeans for approximately the same standard of living. But when countries which supply critical materials to the USA threaten to deny supply, the USA is quick to go in with the military to ensure continuation. Americans think that their excessive consumption is an indication of their moral superiority, but in fact the opposite is true.

Export of culture of violence through movies: Since 1945 and long before, the USA has been exporting it culture of violence world-wide. Other countries don't traditionally create movies with so much violence as US movies. For example, French movies are more oriented to life-style, sex, and life problems. In the USA, when the V-chip was proposed, it was supposed to stop kids watching violence. But US citizens think that sex and violence are inseparable. So they added sex to the list of things to censor with the V-chip. When US movies show sex, they always have to include physical violence, murder and general nastiness. (US citizens may be surprised to learn that sex and violence are thought of as opposites in many other countries.) The huge overdose of murders and visciousness of US movies have been exported world-wide. (US movies pay for themselves in US sales. So they can make the prices low to undercut all indigenous productions overseas. US viewers can't tolerate overseas movies much, especially with subtitles. So the export doesn't go the other way much.)

The result of this is that people all over the world are brought up from childhood on a diet of constant crass violence and inhumanity in the movies they see. They are also led to believe that sex requires violence, and that violence is much more socially acceptable than sex. If the USA wants other countries to be peace-loving, perhaps they should stop exporting super-violent movies and try to work out how to make successful movies without a single murder or car chase.

Resistance to outlawing mines: The USA is the principal country resisting the international outlawing of mines. The USA claims that they need mines in Korea. The USA financed the extensive mining of Nicaragua by terrorists. The USA used mines extensively itself in the 1991 war against Iraq. In the 2001/2002 war against Afghanistan, the USA made extensive use of cluster bombs which leave behind very numerous mine-like mini-bombs which kill children because they look like cans of food. Other countries obviously conclude from this that since the ``leader of the free world'' says it is a good and necessary thing to lay mines (in a foreign country even), then it must be okay for everyone else. Once again, the USA leads by bad example.

Disparagement, sabotage, harrassment and bullying of the United Nations: Since the setting up of the United Nations, the USA has attempted to starve and harrass the United Nations at every opportunity. But when the USA needs a fig-leaf of ``legitimacy'' for an aggressive military action, they bully and threaten the United Nations. The USA offers bribes whenever they want a `yes' vote on anything. The USA cuts off aid to any country which votes against it. The UN has been completely corrupted by the USA.

The USA regards the UN as a threat to its world dominance. The United Nations is ``not the US national interest''. So the USA has treated the UN like a slave which it starves and gives orders to. The USA vetos everything which is not in the US or Israeli interest. (The USA has used the UN Security Council veto more than 70 times; the UK has used the SC veto more than 30 times.) The UN should have expelled the USA a long time ago. The USA expects all countries to obey the resolutions which it sponsors, and non-compliance means that they will be invaded. But the USA refuses to obey any resolution which is not convenient for it.

The concept of cooperation is alien to the USA's psychological nature. How can other countries make sacrifices to meet the expectations of the UN when the USA thwarts and disparages the United Nations at every opportunity?

Killing dozens of Italian cable car passengers: A few years ago, US air force pilots in Italy were playing around in their jet fighter by skimming just underneath the cable supporting a few dozen skiers. They cut the cable and all of the skiers were killed. This kind of thing happens time after time because USAF pilots treat their job as being like a game. And the cost is often large numbers of foreign lives. Apologies from the USA for such reckless murder using their killer toys are very rare and never genuine. Another example is the reckless killing of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan in 2002.

Opposition to democracy in Australia: In 1975, the USA listed Australia as being one of the top security threats in some list of assessments of ``allied'' governments. Australia was regarded as a serious risk to the USA because it had a Labor government. It is rumoured that the CIA supported the coup against the legally elected Labor government in 1975 which resulted in an election and a pro-USA party in power. At the time of that election, Australian army reserve forces were put on alert to implement martial law in case the Labor government was re-elected. The USA has never accepted the full legitimacy of Labor governments in Australia. Nor have their proxies, the misnamed Liberal party of Australia.

Support for enslavement of poor countries: In cooperation with Europe and other rich countries, the USA concsiously or unconsciously keeps poor countries in a condition of debt bondage. In India and some other countries, there are millions of people who have such heavy debt and such low incomes that they must work for their whole life to pay off their debt, and then they pass on the debt to their children who inherit the debt. In this way, millions of Indians are in a condition which is no different to slavery. In the same way, there are very many poor countries in the world which will never be able to pay off their national debt to the rich countries. Therefore they are obliged to work forever for foreign masters.

A recent example of this is Argentina, where many people do not have enough food, but the food which is produced must be exported to pay off debt. Thus there are many countries which must work to pay off an unpayable debt forever rather than working to feed their own people. About half the people of the world are in countries in this condition of `debt bondage' or slavery, and the USA is strongly opposed to relieving these countries of unpayable debt. Whereas the USA used to have slaves in their own country, now there are starving slaves in many other countries working to produce things for the USA instead of working to feed themselves. This is a total and utter humiliation of the poor countries. The world is now divided into master countries and slave countries, and the USA is very reluctant to let the slaves go free, since the USA's wealth depends on these billions of slaves.

Gulf of Tonkin incident: In 1964, the US government administration lied about the North Vietnamese attacking US ships in the Gulf of Tonkin and used this as a pretext for a massive escalation of aggression against North Vietnam. The US government's respect for truth is similar to Hitler's respect for truth when he invaded Poland because of the alleged mistreatment of Germans by the Poles.
The Kuwait incubator babies lie: The USA lied to the UN about the removal by Iraqis of Kuwaiti babies from incubators in order to justify the war against Iraq in 1991. They trained a young female member of the Kuwaiti royal family to cry as she told the lies to a UN meeting. This lie by the USA is comparable to the Nazi lie about Jews eating German babies. (In fact, the USA's propaganda about the threat from International muslim conspiracy is comparable to the Nazi propaganda about the threat from the ``International Jew''. Those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it!) How can the world take seriously any ``evidence'' presented to the UN by the USA again? In late 2002 and early 2003, the USA is asking for the world's trust in its ``evidence'' to justify invasion of Iraq.

War crimes against Iraq: In the 1991 war to liberate Kuwait from Iraq, the US planes killed thousands of retreating soldiers. One of the US pilots at the time said it was ``like shooting fish in a barrel''. Even most US Americans thought that this was shameful, but the US military never apologize for their war crimes.

Establishment of the new principle of ``pre-emptive war'': In 2002/2003, the USA's very clever propaganda organisations have come up with a new euphemism for naked aggression. Now they're calling it ``pre-emptive military action''. The US Americans are experts in language abuse. It used to be taken for granted that the country which attacks first is the guilty party. This approach had the advantage that if no one wants to be the first to attack, then no one will ever attack. So outlawing aggression has the effect of minimizing war. Now the USA has changed that with the new doctrine of ``pre-emptive war''. Since the USA is the leader of the world, all countries in the world will now conclude that they can conduct a ``pre-emptive action'' with justification. The effect will be an outbreak of numerous wars in the next decade as every country which feels threatened invades its neighbours. When other countries catch up with the USA's current military technological advantage, the USA will regret deeply its ``might is right'' approach to world affairs.

Abuse of the IMF as a tool of international blackmail: We have been seeing in early 2003 how the USA uses the IMF as a tool to bribe and threaten poor countries. The original purpose of the IMF was not to provide a tool for bribing and bullying, and yet the US government uses the IMF in this way. All of the poor countries on the UN security council are shaking in their boots because of US threats to cut IMF aid if they vote against the unjust war of the USA against Iraq. If it's a question of morality, then why does the USA have to use threats and bribes? In particular, the USA has offered some IMF loans as bribes to Turkey. This kind of misuse of the IMF has been going on for decades. The USA misuses also many other international organisations in the same way to bribe and bully other countries.

Removal of Boutros Boutros-Ghali from the United Nations: When the term of Boutros Boutros-Ghali as Secretary-General of the United Nations came to and end, there was unanimous and strong agreement of the Security Council that he should have a second term. But this was vetoed by the United States. (This proves that the USA is not in favour of consensus on the UN Security Council.) The USA continually blocked the re-appointment until eventually everyone had to agree to the USA's appointment of Kofi Anan, the USA's puppet, to the position. So Kofi Anan was appointed with a `majority' of 1 vote for and 14 votes against. This shows that the United Nations is a passive tool of the US government.

The master plan to subjugate the entire Middle East: The US government has announced in March 2003, and earlier through its christian right-wing think tanks, that it intends the war of aggression against Iraq to be part of a total subjugation of the Middle East. This is a new Drang nach Osten to turn Middle East nations into US provinces or economic slave colonies. The previous Drang nach Osten was aimed at subjugating the Slav peoples. Now the USA has found a new class of ``Untermenschen'' to enslave in the Middle East.

Ethnic cleansing of native Americans: The USA was built on native American land which was stolen. This was achieved by the ethnic cleansing of the entire area of the USA apart from a few ``reservations'' which are the bits left over that the colonists didn't immediately want. US Americans should never forget that the USA is a colony created by theft. Therefore the USA cannot lecture other countries about colonization. A nation that was built from ethnic cleansing and slavery is not in a strong position to talk internationally about morality. The ``cowboys and indians'' movie genre during the 20th century has given the impression that the ethnic cleansing of native American lands was something like a sport where the good guys won. How many countries proudly base their national cinema culture on their own history of ethnic cleansing?

Incubator babies Mark II: the Iraq WMD lie: After their success with the notorious Incubator Babies lie in 1991, when the US government presented to the United Nations a woman who they trained to lie about babies being thrown out of the Kuwait hospital incubators by the Iraqi invaders, the US had further ``success'' in 2003 with their lies to the United Nations about the Iraqi ``Weapons of Mass Destruction''. Although Colin Powell talks like a gentlemen, he is an expert liar like the rest of the US government. Meanwhile the USA continues to give massive financial, military and diplomatic support to the only state in the Middle East with WMDs, a state which kills thousands of innocent people in a massive concentration camp every year. Now the US government expects everyone to believe that they are putting pressure on the Israeli regime to give some very limited form of statehood to their little slave colony.

NOBODY WILL READ ALL OF THAT!!!

No, thats why the world hates the US government

In that one big essay, I could not find anything that mentioned our society

NOBODY WILL READ ALL OF THAT!!!
Which is why, I fail to see anything that says why "everybody" dislikes American society.

NOBODY WILL READ ALL OF THAT!!!
Which is why, I fail to see anything that says why "everybody" dislikes American society.
We don't. It's just some (and I say some) Americans will read all the above post and say 'So what? We are the USA USA USA etc' That is what turns people against the US.
Most of the Americans I've met have been ok, I have a friend from California (I can even forgive you for him! :lol: ) but there are so very vocal and loud exceptions.
Plus the US does not appear to always treat it's allies any better than it's foes. The steel tarrifs for a start, after the never ending support two faced Tony Blair showed the US what did he get? He got the same treatment that the rest of the world got. So why the loyalty? Well that's a question that will be in the back of our politicians minds the next time the US wants some moral support or back up.
Every countires political leaders screw over other countires the US is no worse, but others tend to try not to do it to thier friends.

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!
So are you saying the US does not want any international firends?
I hope your a little quieter than the other Californian then! But looking at your posts, I think not :)
All I'm saying is that if the US does want to be a bit more popular they should try and be a better friend to those that support them. My friends are aware of my faults but would still defend me if I was verbaly attacked and point out my good points etc, but if I kept crapping on them I think they would soon stop.

You hate us because you want to be us. For all your "Cultural Superiority", for all your lovely socialist morals, you're jealous that we beat you to the hyperpower stage, and know you're never going to catch up, since we have control of the world economy.

I guess people hate America in the same way some Americans hate Notre Dame, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Red Wings, or the Cowboys.

when you are on top, either you are a fan or you are an enemy.

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!
So are you saying the US does not want any international firends?
I hope your a little quieter than the other Californian then! But looking at your posts, I think not :)
All I'm saying is that if the US does want to be a bit more popular they should try and be a better friend to those that support them. My friends are aware of my faults but would still defend me if I was verbaly attacked and point out my good points etc, but if I kept crapping on them I think they would soon stop.

The U.S. relies on their International friends, as much as they rely on us.
"Do not bite the hand that feeds you" <-- Golden Rule #2

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!
So are you saying the US does not want any international firends?
I hope your a little quieter than the other Californian then! But looking at your posts, I think not :)
All I'm saying is that if the US does want to be a bit more popular they should try and be a better friend to those that support them. My friends are aware of my faults but would still defend me if I was verbaly attacked and point out my good points etc, but if I kept crapping on them I think they would soon stop.

The U.S. relies on their International friends, as much as they rely on us.
"Do not bite the hand that feeds you" <-- Golden Rule #2
May be Bushy should be included in these Golden rules.
And to the other posters, no the dislike some show you is not because they envy you, it is because of comments such as you have expressed. The arrogance of assumption. true there are many things that people outside the US see and like, but for some of us there are slightly more things we don't, the same goes for many other countries I've visited, and like most people I like my home nation. The difference being I admit our faults and regognise we sometimes get things really wrong. But I hope as a nation our heart is in the right place.

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!
So are you saying the US does not want any international firends?
I hope your a little quieter than the other Californian then! But looking at your posts, I think not :)
All I'm saying is that if the US does want to be a bit more popular they should try and be a better friend to those that support them. My friends are aware of my faults but would still defend me if I was verbaly attacked and point out my good points etc, but if I kept crapping on them I think they would soon stop.

The U.S. relies on their International friends, as much as they rely on us.
"Do not bite the hand that feeds you" <-- Golden Rule #2
Unfortunately, some of your international friends didn't want to go play in the big Iraqi sandbox for all of the right reasons. Truly a shame. :cry:

Well the problem is, no other nation has the guts to face us.

I mean really...it's like me taking on [violet] in a flame war. Ain't gonna be pretty.

Oh, and I'm from California too!
So are you saying the US does not want any international firends?
I hope your a little quieter than the other Californian then! But looking at your posts, I think not :)
All I'm saying is that if the US does want to be a bit more popular they should try and be a better friend to those that support them. My friends are aware of my faults but would still defend me if I was verbaly attacked and point out my good points etc, but if I kept crapping on them I think they would soon stop.

The U.S. relies on their International friends, as much as they rely on us.
"Do not bite the hand that feeds you" <-- Golden Rule #2
Unfortunately, some of your international friends didn't want to go play in the big Iraqi sandbox for all of the right reasons. Truly a shame. :cry:
And those that did get the shaft just like those that didn't. So they have to ask themselves, who's the bigger fools?

Quite simply, the "world" does not "hate" America.
But, there are many who feel apprehensive, distrutful, and offended by some of the actions of the US government and its armed forces - and who could honestly blame us for that?
At the same time, we recognise many of the good actions that the US and its people have taken over many years, sometimes in the face of adversity and criticism.
The simplification of "the world hates us" is, IMHO, a pleasant way of avoiding looking at those things which do cause offence in other countries.
Address the issues, do not hide behind the paranoia.
The paranoia can be used to justify the unjustifiable, which is the only reason it is given any currency.

I guess people hate America in the same way some Americans hate Notre Dame, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Red Wings, or the Cowboys.

when you are on top, either you are a fan or you are an enemy.Frankly I try to resist anti-american feeling and I had none some years ago, but reading comments like this doesn't help. get a pair of glasses, you're not on top.

I guess people hate America in the same way some Americans hate Notre Dame, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Red Wings, or the Cowboys.

when you are on top, either you are a fan or you are an enemy.Frankly I try to resist anti-american sentiment and I had none some years ago, but reading comments like this doesn't help. get a pair of glasses, you're not at the top.yes we are.

yes we are.oops sorry I thought you weren't. I made a mistake then.

Sorry but you lost my interest with the "anybody with Neurons" comment.

When simplistic logic such as that appears, it is usually a good warning sign that the article is crap.

I would have been more interested in they say they help comments, but did you know......

yes we are.oops sorry I thought you weren't. I made a mistake then.oops, sorry i thought you trying to make a pitiful attempt at sarcasm. i made a mistake then

if we are not on top, than who is?

Nah I hate America because of my extreme hatred of freedom and democracy. Instead of hating a more democratic country, or one where freedoms aren't slowly being eliminated, I hate America.

Clearly.

Nah I hate America because of my extreme hatred of freedom and democracy. Instead of hating a more democratic country, or one where freedoms aren't slowly being eliminated, I hate America.

Clearly.
hm, my sarcasm detectors broken so...

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.
Arrogance? How about associating who ever is president at the time with every mistake the US has made since it became a country. Now thats arrogance!

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

uh, wow. hello? satire? :roll:

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

uh, wow. hello? satire? :roll:

really? is the president white?

I can tell you I don't hate America, but I resent some of its foreign policy. Let's not go to Iraq, so far way:

Dear America,

Will you please try to stop meddling with Chinese affairs? Yes, that includes:

1. Don't ask us to re or devalue our currency. We do it the way we like.
2. Don't put import tariffs on us if you can beat competition. Protectionism is stupid anyway.
3. Stop criticising our human rights abuses when we're actually improving. Sort out your human rights problem in Iraq and Afghanistan first.
4. Taiwan and Tibet happen to be rightful territories of China. Please stop meddling.
5. Hong Kong is definitely a territory of China. Don't meddle with us.

And that's just for China. There about hundreds of other reasons other states in other regions will detest America. And most are not as pacific as I am. Some may take up arms, be trained, and hijack planes to fly into skyscrapers.

There are some good points in there but quite a few of the assertions are poorly done. His argument breaks down when he moves away from criticising the American government and tries to blanket criticise all Americans.

Most of us don't hate all Americans. We may detest the American government and look down on the provincial, narrowminded, wilfully ignorant aspects of American culture but we also recognise that there are just as many Americans who are cosmopolitan, accepting and willing to look at different points of view- these are the Americans who we respect.

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

uh, wow. hello? satire? :roll:

really? is the president white?ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

I was trying to play along in my first reply :(

i thought it was funny...

There are some good points in there but quite a few of the assertions are poorly done. His argument breaks down when he moves away from criticising the American government and tries to blanket criticise all Americans.

Most of us don't hate all Americans. We may detest the American government and look down on the provincial, narrowminded, wilfully ignorant aspects of American culture but we also recognise that there are just as many Americans who are cosmopolitan, accepting and willing to look at different points of view- these are the Americans who we respect. i hope you realize the #1 reason why we have our fuck the world attitude is because of the ignorant and narrow minded foriengers(sp?) that have no idea what they're saying (but think they do)

ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

I was trying to play along in my first reply :(well, sarcasm is hard to translte over the internet. im sorry, can you forgive me? :(

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

uh, wow. hello? satire? :roll:

really? is the president white?ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

You do not have to be anti-American to find some pathetic attempts at humour distasteful.
You may have thought it witty, I think you are probably half right.

i thought it was funny... thank you. im starting my own site that should be something like a mix of something awful and maddox.

if we are not on top, than who is?

Oh yeah, did I mention the arrogance of some Americans.

Or the preversity ot their so-called humour. Try the thread "I knew and condoned prison abuse. American Humor." to gain an understanding of what most sane people see as "The ugly American".

But, again, this does not mean you can hide behind the paranoid "The world hates us anyway" routine, which is really just an elaborate cop-out. The world merely recognises that some of the US governments actions, and some of its citizens attitudes are quite warped. Get used to it.

umkay then. you get used to that we're the greatest and the world shall soon be enslaved and everyone (cept america) will be working in outsourced factories and sweatshops making cheap plastic trinkets for our enjoyment

You've already got the third world doing that. You need the first world to threaton into helping your wars on countries where you can't get sweatshops..

uh, wow. hello? satire? :roll:

really? is the president white?ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

You do not have to be anti-American to find some pathetic attempts at humour distasteful.
You may have thought it witty, I think you are probably half right.

really now?

i thought it was funny... thank you. im starting my own site that should be something like a mix of something awful and maddox.

Shit, good luck to you if you end up with Maddox's demographic. I'd still trying to figure out whether or not the people that love him or the people that hate him are stupider.

(not all people that like his site are stupid, there just seem to be a lot of fanboys out there who think that Maddox did everything first and will jump on anyone who says 'dolt')

I can tell you I don't hate America, but I resent some of its foreign policy. Let's not go to Iraq, so far way:

Dear America,

Will you please try to stop meddling with Chinese affairs? Yes, that includes:

1. Don't ask us to re or devalue our currency. We do it the way we like.
2. Don't put import tariffs on us if you can beat competition. Protectionism is stupid anyway.
3. Stop criticising our human rights abuses when we're actually improving. Sort out your human rights problem in Iraq and Afghanistan first.
4. Taiwan and Tibet happen to be rightful territories of China. Please stop meddling.
5. Hong Kong is definitely a territory of China. Don't meddle with us.

And that's just for China. There about hundreds of other reasons other states in other regions will detest America. And most are not as pacific as I am. Some may take up arms, be trained, and hijack planes to fly into skyscrapers. why? meddling is goooood, ignorant hateful foriengers making distasteful remarks about 9-11 is baaaaad

ok, next time ill save my witty and humorous writing from some anti-american (expletive dealeted) who doesnt care about the finer points of what im talkin bout *there isnt a emoticon that both expresses my dissapointment so ill just put this little pouty one here: :( really, im sad now*

I was trying to play along in my first reply :(well, sarcasm is hard to translte over the internet. im sorry, can you forgive me? :(

Well I thought it was funny and assumed that you I could point out the inherant problems with taking over the world :(

unless.... could sweatshop workers be turned into cannon fodder?

i thought it was funny... thank you. im starting my own site that should be something like a mix of something awful and maddox.

Shit, good luck to you if you end up with Maddox's demographic. I'd still trying to figure out whether or not the people that love him or the people that hate him are stupider.

(not all people that like his site are stupid, there just seem to be a lot of fanboys out there who think that Maddox did everything first and will jump on anyone who says 'dolt')been to his fansite? i want to murder those people :evil:

I tried to read it, I really did. But I fell asleep. Could you reproduce this as a book on tape ?

Thank you

cheers Ilham for the original posting. I DID read it all and found some stuff I wasn't already aware of.
It is true that the US contibutes to the world communtity, but increasingly the actions of its governemnt which are to to the detriment of most of the rest of the world outweighs that contribution. It is very tempting to feel anger towards americans for not trying harder, if they know they are, as some claim, "on top", then is it not their responsibility to at least achieve some benevolance in that leadership? However, I would feel i lot more moral highground beneath my toes if my own countrys government didn't bow to the great and mightly US on every issue....

yes we are.oops sorry I thought you weren't. I made a mistake then.

you didn't make a mistake.I am anti-US government,not anti-american.however,the assumption that america is at the top and that no other country has the guts to face you is wrong.

First off,I am from Singapore,the regional power of South East Asia.That is a fact.During the Free Trade negotiations we had with the USA last year,they tried to make terms in the treaty unequal to favour them.

Trust me on this.Singapore is a great friend of the USA.For f.u.c.k's sake, we are the only country in the world that has a military base in the continental USA.We gained your respect because we have survived in a hostile neighbourhood.

We are a realistic and pragmatic people and being your friends' for the immediate future is a necessary evil.at least for th3 next 20-30 years.but we have never bowed to you,and we never will.We will compromise with you and accomodate you,but the US govt has never tried to seriously screw around with my country or with any in the neighbourhood because thet knew the consequences.

I posted that article.It is not mine but from the websites listed.while I do have american friends,some of the people in this forum are arrogant pricks.You do not acknowledge the damn limitations of the country except for a few of you.The US is a nation with great power but no understanding of how to use it.You lack the responsibility and understanding.

Your politicians think only in the short-term about staying in power,when you could do so much more.Now,america is in a slow fall,and Asia rises.The future is ours,the future belongs to Asia and Europe.It is OUR manifest destiny as Europeans and Asians to carve our own paths,not determined and dictated to us by a falling superpower.The future belongs to us.Not the USA.

You seem to ignore the world around you.Open your eyes and look at reality.You treat even your allies and good friends like shit!you look down on others and take the "peace through superior firepower without thinking,texas style approach".The USA has lost any moral authority it once had and lost any respect I had for it.

yes we are.oops sorry I thought you weren't. I made a mistake then.

you didn't make a mistake.I am anti-US government,not anti-american.however,the assumption that america is at the top and that no other country has the guts to face you is wrong.

First off,I am from Singapore,the regional power of South East Asia.That is a fact.During the Free Trade negotiations we had with the USA last year,they tried to make terms in the treaty unequal to favour them.

Trust me on this.Singapore is a great friend of the USA.For f.u.c.k's sake, we are the only country in the world that has a military base in the continental USA.We gained your respect because we have survived in a hostile neighbourhood.

We are a realistic and pragmatic people and being your friends' for the immediate future is a necessary evil.at least for th3 next 20-30 years.but we have never bowed to you,and we never will.We will compromise with you and accomodate you,but the US govt has never tried to seriously screw around with my country or with any in the neighbourhood because thet knew the consequences.

I posted that article.It is not mine but from the websites listed.while I do have american friends,some of the people in this forum are arrogant pricks.You do not acknowledge the damn limitations of the country except for a few of you.The US is a nation with great power but no understanding of how to use it.You lack the responsibility and understanding.

Your politicians think only in the short-term about staying in power,when you could do so much more.Now,america is in a slow fall,and Asia rises.The future is ours,the future belongs to Asia and Europe.It is OUR manifest destiny as Europeans and Asians to carve our own paths,not determined and dictated to us by a falling superpower.The future belongs to us.Not the USA.

You seem to ignore the world around you.Open your eyes and look at reality.You treat even your allies and good friends like shit!you look down on others and take the "peace through superior firepower without thinking,texas style approach".The USA has lost any moral authority it once had and lost any respect I had for it.
ew. Singapore. *horrible recollections of Singapore* i think it's a great place with a horrible primary education system. :roll:

"power" is a relative term. Singapore a power? hm...

I'm a military nut.I may have gone overboard in saying that it was a power,but we are certainly the economic and military(airwise and navywise) power of South East Asia.

That is an undisputed fact.

as for horrible primary education system,its not so bad,though I did go to a mission school.studying in australia now.

As I ALREADY SPECIFICALLY STATED.THAT IS NOT MY BLOODY ARGUMENT!I looked at it and SOURCED IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.I posted it because it HAD SOME RELEVANT POINTS.

and as I already said at the beginning,some of the points are FABRICATIONS.they are FALSE.read carefully.

I'm a military nut.I may have gone overboard in saying that it was a power,but we are certainly the economic and military(airwise and navywise) power of South East Asia.

That is an undisputed fact.

as for horrible primary education system,its not so bad,though I did go to a mission school.studying in australia now.

yeah, if compared to the other countries in ASEAN Singapore is definitely the way to go.

i hated the primary school there, even if i was there for a week for 2 - 3 times.
then i studied in a singapore-sponsored school in hong kong. i hated the school even more.

I can tell you I don't hate America, but I resent some of its foreign policy. Let's not go to Iraq, so far way:

Dear America,

Will you please try to stop meddling with Chinese affairs? Yes, that includes:

1. Don't ask us to re or devalue our currency. We do it the way we like.
2. Don't put import tariffs on us if you can beat competition. Protectionism is stupid anyway.
3. Stop criticising our human rights abuses when we're actually improving. Sort out your human rights problem in Iraq and Afghanistan first.
4. Taiwan and Tibet happen to be rightful territories of China. Please stop meddling.
5. Hong Kong is definitely a territory of China. Don't meddle with us.

And that's just for China. There about hundreds of other reasons other states in other regions will detest America. And most are not as pacific as I am. Some may take up arms, be trained, and hijack planes to fly into skyscrapers.
reason why america wishes death on all foreigners!!!

First things first, since when has america been (legitimatly) in south east asia? It shares a continent (basically) with Canada.

Secondly maybe if you turned away from being a individualistic capitalist country you might see that a large proportion of the world doesn't think highly of you. Not hate you, mind you, more a general dislike (of you government).

If you didn't have such a totally popular individualistic, capitalist mid set . Realised that peace cannot be enforced, and paid your massive debts to third world countries, you might be eligable for a reputation upgrade.


Thirdly, a country in which a man can become president without being popularly elected; is it still a democray or more a capitalist state?

Is Singapore the country that buys its water from Malaysia?

Um one day America is going to push China too far. Its already kicking and screaming like UK did at the end of its reign as a world superpower.

As for Americas tendancy to dump its pollution on the world (and it does by building nasty factories elsewhere or just ingoring the Kyoto treaty or The SA summit) its just short sighted thinking it wont come round and get you.

Trust me Americans I dont hate America, but its not as great as you think.

Im from England, weve done some nasty things, we put Idi Amin in power, we supported America when we shouldnt etc.

Amd you who started this thread. At the SA summit you know who it was that supported America dont you? at every step it was Australia.

The only thing America is guilty of is thinking its better than all the other, petty nasty bitchy countries in the world. Its not, Our world, the western world is evil. All of us. America included. But America doesnt realise this. That is your problem. Oh and America cant get away with its disregard for the rest of the world, every other country has learn this the hard way and you will soon.

America isnt such a great superpower anymore, its big but in ten years we will all be trading with and following China, America will keep its importance where it has got its strength from, much like England did with London being a financial centre of the world, soon America will realise its not number one because it has rested on its laurels too long, but much like the worlds first (and until the near future only other ex superpower other than Russia) America wont realise til its too late.

And dont tell me America is the best place in the world to live. Go look up the HDI and look at what makes a country nice to live in, Norway is number 1 go look why. You might learn something about the context of America in the world...

reason why america wishes death on all foreigners

And stiop being so god damn arrogant! China alone could crush you! Europe is actually pretty big these days, the east is a wide range of countries. America isnt the centre of the world! its just an important country. Its not invincible, its not the fates growing economy in the world, it has a trade deficit equal to 40% of the UK economy! It is only 200mil people in a big world.

NOBODY WILL READ ALL OF THAT!!!

I read most of it actually.

well ur dumb sooo...

I can tell you I don't hate America, but I resent some of its foreign policy. Let's not go to Iraq, so far way:

Dear America,

Will you please try to stop meddling with Chinese affairs? Yes, that includes:

1. Don't ask us to re or devalue our currency. We do it the way we like.
2. Don't put import tariffs on us if you can beat competition. Protectionism is stupid anyway.
3. Stop criticising our human rights abuses when we're actually improving. Sort out your human rights problem in Iraq and Afghanistan first.
4. Taiwan and Tibet happen to be rightful territories of China. Please stop meddling.
5. Hong Kong is definitely a territory of China. Don't meddle with us.

And that's just for China. There about hundreds of other reasons other states in other regions will detest America. And most are not as pacific as I am. Some may take up arms, be trained, and hijack planes to fly into skyscrapers.

Taiwan wants independence i believe and is currently voting on a referendum. A referendum the US did not support in any way shape or form.
You should also know that despite CHina's improvement in human rights it still has a long way to go. Ive seen this personally during my time in Shanghai this year.
Oh and dont even get me started about the corruption in the Chinese Government or even on the displacement of wealth in China. Oh and the pollution my go the pollution.

On environmental preotection America is currently voting on the Clean Air act. Which will see a estimated 70% reduction on emissions in coming years.
On American "war crimes during WW2" I call bullshit. American sent weapons to europe along with manpower. Don't forget britain fire bombing major German cities. Or the treatment of POWs by the Japanese. Oh hell the fucking holocaust which all european nations and America were completely apathetic towards until it became public knowledge.
THen there are the endless crimes commited by bothe Russians and Germans on the eastern front.
Vietnam: Agent Orange was defoliant that had an unkown side-effect on humans.

I am Canadian, so a large portion of my news, fashion, art and culture is American. This gives my a unique perspective on why everyone hates the US. Besides an arrogant, brutish manner (see posts by americans in this stream), americans have done other things to make us hate them. Their priorities are all mixed up. They spend fully half their government spending on the militairy (somewhere around $370 billion dollars a year) and hardly ever cut this, because of the public outrage this would cause. This happens while they go steadily into debt (a few trillion dollars now), their poor go completely without health care and their schools litteraly collapse around their children. Schools go without principals, janitors and librairies. They are forced to make deals with companies to make ends meet. Students are learning from ExxonMobil about the thriving wildlife in Prince William Sound (site of the Exxon Valdez Diasaster) and nutrition from Hershey. One student was Suspended for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke Day at his school. This is obscene. Children, not guns should be a top priority. That is another problem. Currently, the day after the purchase of a gun, all paperwork about this purchase is destroyed, so the gouvernment has NO record of who has a gun. In one state, legeslation that proposed limiting gun sales to one per person per month failed. Aparently, everyone needs MORE than one gun a MONTH! The US also disregards any international treaties or obligations that do not serve them. They only follow NAFTA when they feel like it (the soft-wood lumber controversy is one example). They ignore all UN nuclear disarment guidelines and refused to sign the 'UN Declairation of the Rights of the Child'. This would prevent them from EXECUTING MINORS! VERY few other countries refused this document, one of the others being Syria. China signed it. The US is one of the few nations that allows execution of minors and the mentally handicaped, and dozens of innocent people die each year when they can easily be proven innocent. These are only a few reasons, I have more and will post them later.

I am Canadian, so a large portion of my news, fashion, art and culture is American. This gives my a unique perspective on why everyone hates the US. Besides an arrogant, brutish manner (see posts by americans in this stream), americans have done other things to make us hate them. Their priorities are all mixed up. They spend fully half their government spending on the militairy (somewhere around $370 billion dollars a year) and hardly ever cut this, because of the public outrage this would cause. This happens while they go steadily into debt (a few trillion dollars now), their poor go completely without health care and their schools litteraly collapse around their children. Schools go without principals, janitors and librairies. They are forced to make deals with companies to make ends meet. Students are learning from ExxonMobil about the thriving wildlife in Prince William Sound (site of the Exxon Valdez Diasaster) and nutrition from Hershey. One student was Suspended for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke Day at his school. This is obscene. Children, not guns should be a top priority. That is another problem. Currently, the day after the purchase of a gun, all paperwork about this purchase is destroyed, so the gouvernment has NO record of who has a gun. In one state, legeslation that proposed limiting gun sales to one per person per month failed. Aparently, everyone needs MORE than one gun a MONTH! The US also disregards any international treaties or obligations that do not serve them. They only follow NAFTA when they feel like it (the soft-wood lumber controversy is one example). They ignore all UN nuclear disarment guidelines and refused to sign the 'UN Declairation of the Rights of the Child'. This would prevent them from EXECUTING MINORS! VERY few other countries refused this document, one of the others being Syria. China signed it. The US is one of the few nations that allows execution of minors and the mentally handicaped, and dozens of innocent people die each year when they can easily be proven innocent. These are only a few reasons, I have more and will post them later.
every complaint you make against america is really a complaint against the republican party cause democratic americans complain of the same thing--so the title of this thread should be why american rightwingers suck, not americans in general

every complaint you make against america is really a complaint against the republican party cause democratic americans complain of the same thing--so the title of this thread should be why american rightwingers suck, not americans in general

You don't know how true your statement is. (I'm a Democrat)

every complaint you make against america is really a complaint against the republican party cause democratic americans complain of the same thing--so the title of this thread should be why american rightwingers suck, not americans in general

You don't know how true your statement is. (I'm a Democrat)

rightwingers are generally a scourge in every country but their especially virulent in amerikkka

Most of this thread is trash, but i'll respond to... this:
As for Americas tendancy to dump its pollution on the world (and it does by building nasty factories elsewhere or just ingoring the Kyoto treaty or The SA summit) its just short sighted thinking it wont come round and get you.
China produces more mercury pollution than every other country in the world combined.

http://www.polonez.org/zdjecia/li%2007-20-03%20asses.jpg

Saying "I hate americans" or "WE hate americans" or "the ugly americans" is a bad generalization that is closeley related to the characteristics some people disliek about america.
I live in Oregon, and we're quite liberal here. Most of the people in Portland are Deomocrats. I'd guess that 1 in 3 of the students at my high school have anti-bush paraphenilia: hat, button, shirt. In my Social Studies class, we laugh at the idiocy of historical leaders, and sigh in disgust at the actions of our current leaders. People are fully aware of the bad labor practices of US componies, but what can we do? Even if you can vote, there are so many people that those who wan tchange hardly register. People that vote for Bush didn't vote for him becasue they approve of his foriegn policy and want to encourage the deficit and wanted the war in Iraq; they voted for him becasue he promised to lower their taxes. Which he didn't really do, becasue he relied on trickle-down economic, a god-awful concept.
Don't generalize that americans are ignorant and arogant and stupid and fat and lazy and uncarrying and walk around with six guns and the motto "shoot first, ask questions later." Many of us are not like that, and the people that do seem to be that way are still dcent people when you talk to them.

Damn, dont we have this topic every week?

http://www.polonez.org/zdjecia/li%2007-20-03%20asses.jpg

the incompetence of the mods in action my friends... :roll:

As I ALREADY SPECIFICALLY STATED.THAT IS NOT MY BLOODY ARGUMENT!I looked at it and SOURCED IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.I posted it because it HAD SOME RELEVANT POINTS.

and as I already said at the beginning,some of the points are FABRICATIONS.they are FALSE.read carefully.
I was in Singapore in 2002 during the Chinese New Year. Awesome city!! I was the visible minority and I felt extremely welcome there.

Singapore is a very FINE city!! :lol:

I can tell you I don't hate America, but I resent some of its foreign policy. Let's not go to Iraq, so far way:

Dear America,

Will you please try to stop meddling with Chinese affairs? Yes, that includes:

1. Don't ask us to re or devalue our currency. We do it the way we like.
2. Don't put import tariffs on us if you can beat competition. Protectionism is stupid anyway.
3. Stop criticising our human rights abuses when we're actually improving. Sort out your human rights problem in Iraq and Afghanistan first.
4. Taiwan and Tibet happen to be rightful territories of China. Please stop meddling.
5. Hong Kong is definitely a territory of China. Don't meddle with us.

And that's just for China. There about hundreds of other reasons other states in other regions will detest America. And most are not as pacific as I am. Some may take up arms, be trained, and hijack planes to fly into skyscrapers.

Taiwan wants independence i believe and is currently voting on a referendum. A referendum the US did not support in any way shape or form.
You should also know that despite CHina's improvement in human rights it still has a long way to go. Ive seen this personally during my time in Shanghai this year.
Oh and dont even get me started about the corruption in the Chinese Government or even on the displacement of wealth in China. Oh and the pollution my go the pollution.

On environmental preotection America is currently voting on the Clean Air act. Which will see a estimated 70% reduction on emissions in coming years.
On American "war crimes during WW2" I call bullshit. American sent weapons to europe along with manpower. Don't forget britain fire bombing major German cities. Or the treatment of POWs by the Japanese. Oh hell the f--- holocaust which all european nations and America were completely apathetic towards until it became public knowledge.
THen there are the endless crimes commited by bothe Russians and Germans on the eastern front.
Vietnam: Agent Orange was defoliant that had an unkown side-effect on humans.

I'm glad you noted all the Chinese weaknesses. Read: CHINESE WEAKNESSES that do not need American intervention to be solved.

every complaint you make against america is really a complaint against the republican party cause democratic americans complain of the same thing--so the title of this thread should be why american rightwingers suck, not americans in general

My arguements are, yes, against right-wingers. That does not mean that they are only against Rebublicans. Clinton was a great rebublican. He refused to put mileage restrictions on SUV's. He was the first president since, I believe, the forties who didn't increase fuel efficiency in cars. He didn't reduce arsenic in drinking water (something the rest of the world had long since done) until the last few moments of his presidency. Same with carpal tunnel. He spoke actively against abortion, while cleaning up the women's vote. Many democrat politicians are like this, claiming to be liberal while kissing coporate america in the closet.

Enough about that. Ohter reasons to dislike the US: the completely unfair and unjust justice system, refusal to revise antiquated and dangerous gun laws, and overwhelming arrogance.

The statistic is something like fewer than 1 out of ten people recieve their constitutional right to a jury trial. They are railroaded by the prosecuter, the judge and the public defender to give up that right, for fear of the horrible punishment they will recieve if they don't plead guilty. There is also tremendous preasure to wave their right to appeal. Something like 80% of people on death row are either completely innocent or undeserving of the death penalty. One colledge class was able to prove that 12 people should not have been sentanced to die. 8 out of ten people on death row have their sentances repealed by the second appeal. And, yet, the federal government, under Clinton, reduced the time they have to appeal to 3 years, nowhere near the time needed to prepare such a case. This cannot be just. There are so, so many cases of wrongfull convictions, so many examples. This is another reason to dispise a people who would allow this to go on.

The 'Right to bear arms' is an antiquated proposition around since the american revolution. The actual wording is 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.' This does not mean that everyone should have a gun at all times, this means that, when the security of the state is threatened, the people can form a well organized militia. Read the bill of rights. Guns are not, in fact, a right. As such, they should be limited, documented and registered. A bill was proposed in one state to limit the number of guns any person can buy to ONE A MONTH! It FAILED! This says something. No country should be allowed to have so many weapons on it's citizenry. No one should have the ability to kill another human being so readily availible. The people should stand up against this.

The arrogance of Americans is astounding. They assume everyone wants to be exactly like them and use their militairy to 'help' us realize this. America is the 'ideal'. And most americans cram this superiority down our throats. If they were more humble, willing to work with the world and not convert us, we would not hate them as much.

There have been a whole lot of comments that various arguements are really, only against the government. What is the ideal America most prizes? Democracy! We hate the government, but it is the american people who allow this state of affairs to continue. It is americans who vote for politicians who do these things, or all to often, don't vote at all. Americans should change the way their government runs. They should force a multi-party system. They should vote. The should run for office. As long as americans don't try to change the way their country runs, the animosity of the world will continue to include them. You have no right to make these complaints if you do not actively try to change this state of affairs.

if we are not on top, than who is?

Undoubtedly the USA is on top in many areas (most WMD, highest military budget, most hated, highest production, energy consumption, junk food consumption), or near the top (second fattest nation on earth, murder rates, pollution, low numbers of people bothering to show up to vote, amount of propaganda/lies spewn forth by the goverment and which the average USAer apparently falls for, biased media, installing puppet dictators), but I doubt the USA is anywhere near the top when it comes to those things that matter most (equality, freedom, safety).

if we are not on top, than who is?

Undoubtedly the USA is on top in many areas (most WMD, highest military budget, most hated, highest production, energy consumption, junk food consumption), or near the top (second fattest nation on earth, murder rates, pollution, low numbers of people bothering to show up to vote, amount of propaganda/lies spewn forth by the goverment and which the average USAer apparently falls for, biased media, installing puppet dictators), but I doubt the USA is anywhere near the top when it comes to those things that matter most (equality, freedom, safety).

true enough 1248.The USA with its wealth can do so much more with itself.I used to admire americans,but now,well,the actions of a government that american people placed in power tests everybody else's patience.

Never mind if it was just 50% or so.because americans boast of supposedly "superior american values" of liberty and democracy,the image that comes to foreign people's minds is that Bush is the choice of the american people.

that is the perception you get,and thus the resulting consequences.And Euro Savages,come down to Singapore sometime and I will teach you some courtesy towards your fellow humans.you don't go around posting naked pictures like that boy.that is what you are,an immature boy.learn to respect your elders,boy.

So you guys are justifying the slaughter of 3,000 people in 9/11 and other acts of terrorism aganst our country.

So you guys are justifying the slaughter of 3,000 people in 9/11 and other acts of terrorism aganst our country.

So you guys are justifying the slaughter of 3,000 people in 9/11 and other acts of terrorism aganst our country.

the only people who set that scenario up was the Bush family themselfs and their sleazy oil politics

amount of propaganda/lies spewn forth by the goverment and which the average USAer apparently falls for,

This compared to say, the amount of Europeans or Canadians who actually think Micheal Moore is telling the truth, is miniscule.

So you guys are justifying the slaughter of 3,000 people in 9/11 and other acts of terrorism aganst our country.

the only people who set that scenario up was the Bush family themselfs and their sleazy oil politics

So your saying it was justified because "we had it coming"?

why do we have to argue lets all get along.............blah blah blah blah blah blah......... Get over it. :twisted:

So you guys are justifying the slaughter of 3,000 people in 9/11 and other acts of terrorism aganst our country.

the only people who set that scenario up was the Bush family themselfs and their sleazy oil politics

So your saying it was justified because "we had it coming"?

no crime like that is ever justified--Im saying Bush abandoned Americans on 911 and everyday thereafter