NationStates Jolt Archive


cherion wants a liberal's answer, here it is

Marxinapolis
17-05-2004, 03:38
He asks:

(1) If you are going to cry, bitch, piss, and moan...If you are going to wail and gnash teeth at the loss of a few innocents through a conflict of arms....that is being fought by both sides....then why do you same people condone the killing of an innocent life in the womb? (Murder of an innocent, is murder of an innocent!)

(2) If you are going to place the blame for the killing of a few children in a conflict of arms, on the soldier, or the president.....then who is to blame for the killing of innocent children, by other children....here in our own streets every day? (Who is responsible for death?)

(3) How can you seek to remove the death penalty? Many who are given the death penalty have purposely, maliciously, and violently taken innocent lives. (They set out to take those lives from the start.)

(4) How can you support the acts of the Palestinians (Blowing up busloads of innocents and training children to strap bombs on their backs), but refuse to support the US leadership and military in putting an end to such things?

(5) How can you try to remove the gun from my home, that is used only to protect my home from invasion, but not support the removal from power, of a dictator that harbors mass graves, has people killed for free speech, or takes food from their mouths, to support his empire?

(6) (Two part question) How is it that you believe that the First Amendment only applies to those of you wanting to burn the flag, remove the cross, tear up the bible, hate the president, or spit at the soldier? Does the First Amendment not also apply to those who love their country, love god, support the military, or wish to preserve patritosm?

I reply:

1. The abortion issue is pro-choice vs. anti-choice. I morally oppose abortion, and would never recomend that option to a woman i care about, but I believe that every individual has ultimate control over their own body. If we call ourselves a free society, the law must reflect this. It's a woman's burden; it's a woman's choice.

2. I can only point to the double standard applied to violence perpetrated within a community, and violence perpetrated by one community upon another. If the president wants to set an example for America's youngsters, maybe he shouldn't make pre-emptive military strikes.

3. New forms of evidence gathering (such as DNA and the like) are consistenly overturning guilty verdicts. I'd rather have my taxes go toward sustaining ten guilty lives than taking one innocent life.

4. On the Israeli/Palestinian conflict: Just look at the numbers, man. The Palestinian Red Crescent (Red Cross of Muslim countries) lists 2,931 deaths since the beginning of the al-aqsa intifada (Sept. 2000). How many Israelis have died? Furthermore, the Palestinian independence movement will not die with its combatants and organizers. As long as Palestinians, especially those in Gaza and the West Bank, are opressed, harassed and collectively punished by Israeli authorities, Palestinian moderates will condone the violence of the extremists. When you face the IDF in open combat, you can kiss your ass goodbye. Suicide bombing is a way of ensuring casualties on your enemy. Civilians often die in the attacks, but they usually target soldiers. Plenty of Palestinian civilians die in Israeli rocket attacks. These people are resisting a foreign occupation the only way they can.

5. I support background checks for those who wish to purchase firearms, and I think that people with a history of violent crime should be denied the right to own firearms. Most gun control advocates don't want to take your gun away, unless you're a violent criminal with a record to prove it.

6. The First Ammendment applies to all. Liberals aren't stopping you from waving the flag and worshiping god if that's what you'd like to do. By "preserve patriotism" do you mean silence dissent? In 1776, the Patriots were the ones spitting on soldiers, resisting what they considered to be unjust rule. Patriots, in my opinion, are the people who have the courage to resist their little federal republic when it becomes the British empire.