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I personally believe school uniforms should be required. I went to a school where uniforms were required and it saved the parents money from buying new clothes constantly to keep up with the always changing fads, and it made it easier to pick out what you were going to wear in the morning before going to school. Everyone wore the same thing, so no one was judged for wearing what they choose. We all looked alike, and it worked out very well. Please tell me what you think.

Um. No. Kids in uniforms do NOT look all alike. You can still wear different jewelry, accessories, shoes, hairstyles, almost everything that defines a person besides just the clothes.

And yeah. The dorky kids still get made fun of. Uniforms don't change a thing.

I agree with FP. It's also usually only the smart kids who get beaten up, and it's not because of what clothes they're wearing.
[option idea]Maybe all bullied kids should get their own body armour or something. Kids don't normally like the idea of trying to punch through steel.[/option idea]

hmm, im going to say yes and no

Yes- man if this is like college... mmmm

No- Try to file a police report for a missing child... hmm, they seem to look the same to the cop. And also, what if the kid is so fat you cant make the uniform for them? Then what? Ive seen some monster kids, like thier pants must be 84 or something. Schools just couldnt keep up with the "big kids"

I think that they should not be required. There are sometimes problems with people being steriotyped based on their clothing, but on the other side of that coin people are able to identify others who they are likely to get along with at a glance. If we're going to be prejudiced let's at least allow for the possibility of benifits.

i say npo because where i went to school they just caused more problems with kids rebelling and if they wore what they wanted and felt comfortable they can concentrate more in class at least thats what i experienced.

the kids still need clothes to wear on weekends, holidays and after school...

Um. No. Kids in uniforms do NOT look all alike. You can still wear different jewelry, accessories, shoes, hairstyles, almost everything that defines a person besides just the clothes.

And yeah. The dorky kids still get made fun of. Uniforms don't change a thing.Actually a well set up dress code goes a long way to making everyone appear the same, and eliminates alot of the outward signs of social strata. I recall the last school I went to with a dress code evolved a standard where the most esteem went to whoever could dress the rattiest and still be technically within the dress code, suit coats 4 sizes too small and disco camoflage ties being popular and it was a great achievement to be still wearing the same shoes as a senior you wore as a freshman especially if they required duct tape to stay together. Admittedly there was status based upon clothing but it was based more upon the amount of sartorial freeedom you could get past your parents instead of the clothes your parents could afford.

School uniforms do not prevent people from getting beat up, and I accessorize the shit out of mine. Personally I think they rock my otherwise sad and insignifigant life. Mine's snappy, easy to clean, and the girls who wear it make it difficult for me stand up, go to the front of the class and do a math problem. I don't believe that anyone should be forced to wear something against their will, however.

As a parent, I like it because it's simpler and cheaper. But I don't like the idea of training kids to conform at such an early age. The pressure to conform is already so strong thanks to the media and peer pressure, schools shouldn't add to it.

If I were forced to wear uniforms, I'd sag the shit outta those cacky pants. No way am I gonna be tucking anything in either. No sir!

If I were forced to wear uniforms, I'd sag the shit outta those cacky pants. No way am I gonna be tucking anything in either. No sir!

That's what I do everyday. Dude, you don't understand just how awesome it can rule. Think about it. Ultra hot, ultra short skirt...

If I were forced to wear uniforms, I'd sag the shit outta those cacky pants. No way am I gonna be tucking anything in either. No sir!

That's what I do everyday. Dude, you don't understand just how awesome it can rule. Think about it. Ultra hot, ultra short skirt...

Still, I won't be happy knowing I can't wear my real clothes. Clothes that bring out the Colodia in me.

My current school enforces the use of school uniforms (mostly just navy blue pants and white shirt). I just tend to get lazy and wear the same outfit for days, and sometimes, weeks. It has its ups-and-downs, although I would prefer to wear something different every day.

My current school enforces the use of school uniforms (mostly just navy blue pants and white shirt). I just tend to get lazy and wear the same outfit for days, and sometimes, weeks. It has its ups-and-downs, although I would prefer to wear something different every day.Doesn't it start to smell after a while?

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

Um. No. Kids in uniforms do NOT look all alike. You can still wear different jewelry, accessories, shoes, hairstyles, almost everything that defines a person besides just the clothes.

And yeah. The dorky kids still get made fun of. Uniforms don't change a thing.I beg to differ, what happens is the uniforms do all look similar enough so that kids do not get picked on it that regard. BUt can be altered enough to allow individuality.

My current school enforces the use of school uniforms (mostly just navy blue pants and white shirt). I just tend to get lazy and wear the same outfit for days, and sometimes, weeks. It has its ups-and-downs, although I would prefer to wear something different every day.Doesn't it start to smell after a while?

Indeed it does, but I get used to it. It also brings out the nerdiness in me. :P

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.The bolded part is what I have an issue with. You have plenty of time to become a cog in the machine once you're grown--we don't need to do that to our kids.

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

1. It merely cuts down the messing around, it's not a foolproof technique.
2. I dont have a BIG problem with this one
3. Pride? Man, you just said these uniforms are there because of ill-behaved kids! What kinda pride is that?
4. And...who would care?

Right to Rebuttal

3. It is proven that a school with uniform leads to a greater sense of community among students and that they can identify more as a whole even in something as simple as a uniform. Ill behaved kids no I meant people from a lower socio-economic background ie poorer. They also feel better by being like everyone else and not on the isolated circle.
4. The community cares

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

1. It merely cuts down the messing around, it's not a foolproof technique.
2. I dont have a BIG problem with this one
3. Pride? Man, you just said these uniforms are there because of ill-behaved kids! What kinda pride is that?
4. And...who would care?Trust me uniforms do help with school pride, to the point where kids sit seperately at major busstops.

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

1. It merely cuts down the messing around, it's not a foolproof technique.
2. I dont have a BIG problem with this one
3. Pride? Man, you just said these uniforms are there because of ill-behaved kids! What kinda pride is that?
4. And...who would care?
4. The police and truant officers.
1. Helps teach kids (needed now more than ever) that in life they can't always have everything thier own way.

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

1. It merely cuts down the messing around, it's not a foolproof technique.
2. I dont have a BIG problem with this one
3. Pride? Man, you just said these uniforms are there because of ill-behaved kids! What kinda pride is that?
4. And...who would care?
4. The police and truant officers.
1. Helps teach kids (needed now more than ever) that in life they can't always have everything thier own way.

4. Police are not a community. A community within a community perhaps
1. There are a million other ways kids are thought that. I would know.

I agree with uniforms.

*Firstly it disciplines kids for the workforce where a uniform is required.
*The disadvantaged kids who can't afford an extensive wardrobe with the latest fashions won't be humiliated.
*Instills pride in the school.
*Helps the community to more easily recognise kids with a school.

Well anyway this is why I think uniforms are good. I know most of you will disagree with this but it's what I think.

1. It merely cuts down the messing around, it's not a foolproof technique.
2. I dont have a BIG problem with this one
3. Pride? Man, you just said these uniforms are there because of ill-behaved kids! What kinda pride is that?
4. And...who would care?
4. The police and truant officers.
1. Helps teach kids (needed now more than ever) that in life they can't always have everything thier own way.

4. Police are not a community. A community within a community perhaps
1. There are a million other ways kids are thought that. I would know.
Ideally the police reprsent the community and the wishes of it (at least in a democracy they should).
Those million other ways do not always appear to work. Youth crime in most of the western world is at an all time high.

I hated school uniforms when I went to school, however, I did notice that all of the schools in the county I lived in did far better if they were a "uniform" school. My only thought is that there are less things to be distracted by?

No! If I had gone to a school with a serious dress code (as in the school provided you with the clothes- not like they said "wear any collared shirt and pants or skirt") then I doubt I would've been able to graduate as high as I did in my class, because my class time would've been constantly interrupted by being sent to the principal's office and being suspended and such. I already got sent to the principal's office several times in high school because I didn't agree with the dress rules that we had in our school. My shorts were always too short, they outlawed tank tops- so I started wearing halter tops- and very low cut t-shirts cause cleavage was not banned, I weared shoes as little as possible...Anyway, dress codes are not a good idea, because they punish the good kids! Maybe only the kids who get into real trouble should have to follow the dress code :wink:
And Lith....I don't know where you go to school, but here in New Orleans there are lots of kids that wear the plaid skirt deal- and it always covers their knees. Though, without a school uniform, I managed to wear some really short skirts..

I am against school uniforms. I left (a Scottish) school last year, after staying on till sixth year. We were obliged to wear uniform (black or white shirt and tie, with black trousers for boys and black trousers/skirt for girls) although the staff was fairly lax about following the dress code. In the last 6 months o f the year I wore dark jeans and a black shirt to school every day.

As has been said before, accesories, jewellry etc are substituted for 'cool' clothes. Also, I found, the way you wear your uniform (do you tuck your shirt in or leave it out; are the cool kids wearing their ties loose or tight; are short-sleeved shirts 'in' is everyone still just rolling their sleeves up?) and what brand of black trousers or shirt you had on seemed to matter to a large amount of people (the more vacuous pupils I might add...) and had fashions and trends just like normal clothes.

Also, I believe a child's uniqueness and individuality needs to be stressed much more in all parts of education. Fact is there are many different fashion and non-fashion styles for children. If someone in a Versacce top ridiculed me for wearing a plain jumper I wouldn't give two shits. What should it matter if some kid has a designer top? He/she is only wearing an expensive sandwich board for whatever company they/their parents shelled out a ridiculous sum of money for.

If kids are so incrediably worried over what clothes they are wearing, then their teachers and parents are not teaching or parenting well at all.

EDIT: Also, the point people are making about kids from disadvantaged backgrounds not getting picked on with uniforms was moot in my school as you had to shell out a hefty sum for the uniforms. Disadvantaged kids were the ones who wore Kappa tousers and tops to scchool because they couldn't afford the uniform.

As with everything, uniforms have their ups and downs. Kisarazu can back me up on this. Japan is big on this one. First off, if you see someone from your school, you recognize them; it kind of instills a sense of comradarie even though you may not realize it. Also, there are certain parts of the uniform you can totally blow off and certain parts they will just bitch and moan about until you do it.

I think I spend a combined total of 20 minutes each day with my shirt tucked in, and I only wear my blazer (sports coat) to and from school. My pants are far too low, the chain on my wallet is far too long, my tie is rarely on, and I (this may not sound big, but they got kinda pissed in the beginning) changed my shoelaces for my inside shoes. They just don't care as long as you keep your shit together.

No! If I had gone to a school with a serious dress code (as in the school provided you with the clothes- not like they said "wear any collared shirt and pants or skirt") then I doubt I would've been able to graduate as high as I did in my class, because my class time would've been constantly interrupted by being sent to the principal's office and being suspended and such. I already got sent to the principal's office several times in high school because I didn't agree with the dress rules that we had in our school. My shorts were always too short, they outlawed tank tops- so I started wearing halter tops- and very low cut t-shirts cause cleavage was not banned, I weared shoes as little as possible...Anyway, dress codes are not a good idea, because they punish the good kids! Maybe only the kids who get into real trouble should have to follow the dress code :wink:
And Lith....I don't know where you go to school, but here in New Orleans there are lots of kids that wear the plaid skirt deal- and it always covers their knees. Though, without a school uniform, I managed to wear some really short skirts..

I go to school in Niigata. Some of the girls don't even look like they wear a skirt. Disadvantage to that is that it's difficult to not look like a pervert while walking up the stairs, because practically everyone can see up their skirt.

We did have the wear school uniforms, but not after Year 12. I guess it's not a matter of what or where, it's a matter of when to let the older people have more freedom.

School uniforms? Bah! My school has dangled the threat of uniforms over us to enforce their almost draconian dress code policy. My school is not misbehaved by a long shot, but the administration feels that they're losing control, and there fore continual create more and more restrictive legislature to tame us. If uniforms were deployed, I forsee mass rebellion. A lot of kids use what they wear or don't wear to express who they are. The goths wear black, the preps brand names, the geeks whatever suits them. To enfore them would just be another conforming measure, which in this day and age would be greeted with the utmost hostility. If you want comraderie in uniforms, I suggest you look in the marching band, where everyone agrees to wear them. Other than that, uniforms could only breed dispair and monotony.

eh, i saw make 'em mandatory and save the poor kids some embarassment. I just finished my 4 years in a catholic high school where uniforms were required, after having gone to a public school were they werent required for 9 years, and i liked having the uniform to stick on. and as for smart kids always being beaten up, what world do you guys live in (whoever said that). my gpa was a 4.0 and no one ever beat me up...then again i know karate and was friends with most of the tough/crazy kids...

No uniforms.

Uniforms all the way... Less distraction and less "tolerance" movements.

Uniforms all the way... Less distraction and less "tolerance" movements.

(Cuneos girl posting)

Less distraction! I happened to like distracting the boys with my thong underwear and skimpy skirts and tube tops, back in my school days.

come on cuneo, we know thats really you replying, stop sayin its your girl :lol: (jk man)

I enjoyed being distracted also, but school isn't a place for distractions, its a place for learning!

come on cuneo, we know thats really you replying, stop sayin its your girl :lol: (jk man)

Whoa if that was my husband, well, he so wouldn't be my husband! :wink:

I love it when they all try to joke with the blonde.

I enjoyed being distracted also, but school isn't a place for distractions, its a place for learning!

Coughqueercough.

*cough* genius *cough*

Yeah I'm a genius, that's right, and hot too.

Everyone is mentioning what students learn by having to conform wearing the same thing everyday, but whta about learning the opposite: how to dress yourself and be able to look decent?

Poo on uniforms

I like the idea of uniforms, but I also like the idea that my school had, that students in the final 2 yrs of school (ys 11 & 12) could wear anything they wanted as long as it was neat, and not strappy (to stop the skin cancer law suites).

It showed they were treating adults as such, we also got to express ourselves better, esp the (fine) Arts students.

And uniforms are distracting too.... or the main bush week event at college wouldn't be a school dayz bar night...

Why are we talking about uniforms when school should be about education and trying new ideas and debating the merits of 'stuff?' Hell, this example of debate about uniforms is exactly what needs to go on in school more so then them wearing them. There are far more human features that make us 'uniform' than clothes. Like thought. Does school encourage this standardizing concept?

Humans do not seem to like chaos and randomness. We want predictability. Uniforms and curriculum give us this.

My rant is over ;)

I guess I should give some background on my initial post. My high school was your ordinary, run of the mill, American public school. We had a dress code that was short, to the point, and relevant (the enforcement basically boiled down to you couldn't show up naked).

Theeeeen, in my junior year, we got a new principal, who maxed out the dress code with do and don'ts (but mostly don'ts), and enforced them strictly. More strictly than truency, sometimes. The student body fought this dress code in the guise of right to free expression, and mostly won - the dress code wasn't changed but the heavy and disproportional enforcement of it was toned down.

What does this have to do with uniforms, well, I'd just love to imagine the reaction of my old student body to the administration trying to make us wear uniforms. Would not have been pretty, oh no. No way.


I beg to differ, what happens is the uniforms do all look similar enough so that kids do not get picked on it that regard. BUt can be altered enough to allow individuality.
Dude, you're contradicting me in your first sentence and agreeing with me in your second. Make up your mind?

Trust me uniforms do help with school pride, to the point where kids sit seperately at major busstops.
This requires uniforms? No, at the bus stops I frequented, we knew who went to what school and which schools were considered friendly or unfriendly without needing uniforms staring us in the face.

Like I always said, Catholic schoolgirls are hot (well, some of them) ...and debauched (heh-heh!)
So, YES to uniforms, YES to religious instruction, YES to corporal punishment!

In Dog We Trust

I guess I should give some background on my initial post. My high school was your ordinary, run of the mill, American public school. We had a dress code that was short, to the point, and relevant (the enforcement basically boiled down to you couldn't show up naked).

Theeeeen, in my junior year, we got a new principal, who maxed out the dress code with do and don'ts (but mostly don'ts), and enforced them strictly. More strictly than truency, sometimes. The student body fought this dress code in the guise of right to free expression, and mostly won - the dress code wasn't changed but the heavy and disproportional enforcement of it was toned down.

What does this have to do with uniforms, well, I'd just love to imagine the reaction of my old student body to the administration trying to make us wear uniforms. Would not have been pretty, oh no. No way.


I beg to differ, what happens is the uniforms do all look similar enough so that kids do not get picked on it that regard. BUt can be altered enough to allow individuality.
Dude, you're contradicting me in your first sentence and agreeing with me in your second. Make up your mind?

Trust me uniforms do help with school pride, to the point where kids sit seperately at major busstops.
This requires uniforms? No, at the bus stops I frequented, we knew who went to what school and which schools were considered friendly or unfriendly without needing uniforms staring us in the face.
'Right to free expresion' that is another point for debate. Do children have rights? I heard some one argue recently that rights come with resposibility and as children are not legally responsible they do not have rights only privellages. Interesting thought! If they have rights then the buggers can support themselves and stop living in my house!

That's a definate yes to uniforms. If I had to put up with them, you little bastards have to too.

That's a definate yes to uniforms. If I had to put up with them, you little bastards have to too.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's a definate yes to uniforms. If I had to put up with them, you little bastards have to too.

It is not as if they are that hard to get around. I wore some black moleskin jeans for a whole year before anyone noticed.

-I'm anti-uniform. Having look the same would be so...boring. Uniforms are just another way that schools are trying to make students conform. Sure, it doesn't hurt students as much as mainstreaming(making students that are qutie a bit above or below average go to the same classes as everyone else) & stuff like that does(the gifted kids get bored since they know most of the stuff already, the less-smart kids don't understand what's being taught), but...
-The whole "reduce kids getting picked on" thing is, in a word, total nonsense. The same kids will keep getting picked on even if you remove the choice of what clothes to wear, because they clothes they'll wear if you let them choose will reflect who they are anyway, and it's something about who they are that gets them picked on.
-If kids don't like the fact that their school makes them wear uniforms, they'll have LESS school pride since they're not happy with their school.
-If having inapproriate dress is a concern, there's a little thing called a DRESS CODE that can be used to bar studens from wearing skimpy clothes & whatnot.
-The school I go to has NO UNIFORMS(other than gym uniforms). I don't see anybody getting picked on for what they're wearing. I don't see any other problems caused by clothes.
-If I EVER have to go to a school that requires uniforms, I will NOT wear them. End of story.

-I'm anti-uniform. Having look the same would be so...boring. Uniforms are just another way that schools are trying to make students conform. Sure, it doesn't hurt students as much as mainstreaming(making students that are qutie a bit above or below average go to the same classes as everyone else) & stuff like that does(the gifted kids get bored since they know most of the stuff already, the less-smart kids don't understand what's being taught), but...
-The whole "reduce kids getting picked on" thing is, in a word, total nonsense. The same kids will keep getting picked on even if you remove the choice of what clothes to wear, because they clothes they'll wear if you let them choose will reflect who they are anyway, and it's something about who they are that gets them picked on.
-If kids don't like the fact that their school makes them wear uniforms, they'll have LESS school pride since they're not happy with their school.
-If having inapproriate dress is a concern, there's a little thing called a DRESS CODE that can be used to bar studens from wearing skimpy clothes & whatnot.
-The school I go to has NO UNIFORMS(other than gym uniforms). I don't see anybody getting picked on for what they're wearing. I don't see any other problems caused by clothes.
-If I EVER have to go to a school that requires uniforms, I will NOT wear them. End of story.

I am with him, Uniforms should not be worn in any school accept if the student body takes a vote [Each year so its not a bias vote]. The clothes people wear now distinguish us from one another, Uniforms on the other hand make us the same and thus not original but I ask if we were born original then why should we end up a copy of everyone else ?

-I'm anti-uniform. Having look the same would be so...boring. Uniforms are just another way that schools are trying to make students conform. Sure, it doesn't hurt students as much as mainstreaming(making students that are qutie a bit above or below average go to the same classes as everyone else) & stuff like that does(the gifted kids get bored since they know most of the stuff already, the less-smart kids don't understand what's being taught), but...
-The whole "reduce kids getting picked on" thing is, in a word, total nonsense. The same kids will keep getting picked on even if you remove the choice of what clothes to wear, because they clothes they'll wear if you let them choose will reflect who they are anyway, and it's something about who they are that gets them picked on.
-If kids don't like the fact that their school makes them wear uniforms, they'll have LESS school pride since they're not happy with their school.
-If having inapproriate dress is a concern, there's a little thing called a DRESS CODE that can be used to bar studens from wearing skimpy clothes & whatnot.
-The school I go to has NO UNIFORMS(other than gym uniforms). I don't see anybody getting picked on for what they're wearing. I don't see any other problems caused by clothes.
-If I EVER have to go to a school that requires uniforms, I will NOT wear them. End of story.

I am with him, Uniforms should not be worn in any school accept if the student body takes a vote [Each year so its not a bias vote]. The clothes people wear now distinguish us from one another, Uniforms on the other hand make us the same and thus not original but I ask if we were born original then why should we end up a copy of everyone else ?

I went to a school with compulsory uniforms (every school in the city had a uniform, so there wasn't any choice in the matter).

And sure enough, we all found ways to, uh, interpret the uniform code, but at the end of the day it did nothing but annoy the hell out of us.

Now, to take several of your arguments:

School Pride: Irrelevant. I was never proud of my school, uniform or otherwise. Why should I be? It was just a High School. My feelings towards the school would have been exactly the same regardless of whether I was wearing whatever the hell I wanted, the school uniform, or a Gestapo uniform. :shock:

School pride is a dangerous thing- HIGH SCHOOL IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF YOUR LIFE. As soon as you graduate you really need to move on with your life and having "School Pride" is just going to hinder that.

People who cant afford fashion dont get picked on: That's the least of their problems. They're still poor, even if they're wearing a uniform. Which means they're going to be missing out on things like field trips and bought lunches, and it's going to be pretty obvious to the rest of the school- thus, they'll still get picked on. And even within a uniform, there are "fashions"- some good (like schoolgirls wearing really, really short skirts) and some bad (like wearing your shorts/pants around your ass). You get the idea.

Inappropriate Dress: Look, you can make a uniform look just as inappropriate as your normal clothes, so this argument is irrelevant.

Personally, I think Uniforms are a waste of time and money, and everyone should be able to wear whatever they want.

Kids really have enough problems without being forced to wear clothes that don't suit them and make them look like everyone else...

I think that there should be a dress code. . .but no uniforms.

Not being in style can be just as much a statement of individuality as being in style.

As well, I went to a school when I was young where we had uniforms (they were designer; I lived in California.) We still had some discrimination based on our shoes. I wasn't wearing the best brands. I wasn't shunned or anything, but there still was some discrimination.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm,

Catholic High School girls in uniform.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Who wouldn't want THAT!

Everyone loves Catholic High School Girls!

But you're all beginning to sound like Banky Edwards...