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He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence

Oh this thread should be interesting.. :lol:

Wow, 8:38 in the morning and we've already got a flamer thread. Looks like it's gonna be a fun weekend.

I think the Bush supporters will try to behead Microbrits now!

This guy is out of his frickin' mind. The faking of the Apollo Moon landings is a more believable conspiracy theory.

This guy is out of his frickin' mind. The faking of the Apollo Moon landings is a more believable conspiracy theory.

explain why i wrong then:)

I must admit, I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, even if just for fun.. ;)

I must admit, I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, even if just for fun.. ;)

this is the truth

you guys have to remember that the war on terror is a hoax and no one will benefit expect Bush,Sharon and the Neo cons who are suddenly richer ohh and Bin Laden family which includes Osama

Only Joking i was really Discussing something i found on the website

Where did you get this "information" from? Or did you put all this together by watching the video over and over? Hell, if one stares at the clouds long enough, you can see all kinds of stuff.

Where did you get this "information" from? Or did you put all this together by watching the video over and over? Hell, if one stares at the clouds long enough, you can see all kinds of stuff.

ok it was off www.whatreallyhappened.com but i think it shit

Ooh, bold, interesting theory, which may very well be possible. *shrugs* who knows.

Where did you get this "information" from? Or did you put all this together by watching the video over and over? Hell, if one stares at the clouds long enough, you can see all kinds of stuff.

ok it was off www.whatreallyhappened.com but i think it shit
Oh, so you KNOW its shit, and you post it anyway? Way to go :roll:

I saw it too.

The really bad quality, bad filmed and if your neck is cut - your blood is suppose to "fountain" out of your neck. That didn't happen.

The bad filming leaves room for "cheating".

But still, I wouldn't be suprised if this had really happend, nor would I be suprised if this would turn out a fraud.

I find that website amusing. But it is sad that some people completely break from reality.

Only Joking i was really Discussing something i found on the website

I know where you live! That black helicopter that is circling over your house is a dead give-a-way :lol:

You know, it was sad to see the picture of his father's sorrow in the paper. Not that it has anything to do with it, but.....a picture is worth a thousand words, or so they say.

:wink:

Well, any one who has been following the story must admit that there are some rather weird "what are the odds" kind of stuff about this lad Nick Berg. However, I'm not sure I'm willing to make any leaps to conspiracies personally.. certainly at least not at this point.

Bush's legitimate election might turn out to be a fraud.

The assassination attempt of Chen Shui-bien might turn out to be a fraud.

This incident might turn out to be a fraud...

In the modern world photo/movie enhancement can be so realistic on computer nobody knows what to believe or what not. The media simply manipulates the world.

That's why I want to be in the media, to slap truth back into its rightful place.

LOL this is too great!

Not only does the media refuse to make a big deal out of this slaughter, but now people are theorizing that it's a hoax! lol

Man, every day, it becomes more and more and more evident that some people are just afraid of the truth... you guys will do anything to prove al qaeda isn't in Iraq! ((Raysia, you'll do anything to prove they ARE)) ...yeah yeah... anyway...

1) they where saying the wrong prayers <-- As far as I know, all they said was some version of "god is great"
2) Are where light skin then Arabs <--Yeah, and Nick Berg's face was red... it was a webcam, get over it.
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam <-- A lot of things are forbidden in islam... we're talking al qaeda leaders here... you actually think they care about islam?
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year <--Saddam supposedly died 7 or 8 times before we captured him :P

A big point I want to make about the rings... if anything, it's suggesting that guys like Zarkowie (sp) don't give a rip about islam... they're terrorist leaders! "Jihad" is nothing more than a word that gets some easily-brainwashed arabs to follow them around, do whatever they say, and blow people up.

These guys are putting on a show. Just like Saddam, when his true cowardness was revealed (guy who ordered suicide bombings, sent his sons to die for him, then wound up cowering in a spider hole), these al qaeda leaders like OBL and Zarkowie (sp) are the EXACT same. They'll pretend to be leaders of a holy war, but they couldn't care less about the holy part.

These guys are pure evil.

If anything, that ring should be a hint to the arab world, that these guys are saying "Screw Jihad, let's just go kill the americans"

islamic World Domination, or Jihadic World Domination, whatever you call it, that's what they're after... appeasing will do nothing, bending to their will will do nothing. These guys want us dead, non-negotiable.

This is a battle we can not lose.

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And for the record, Nick Berg was a little suspiscious... why did he choose to drive through the borders when he was offered flight to jordan from the military? Why was he detained a year or two ago?

The whole head blood-gushing thing is easy to explain... this was no guillatine (sp), this was a long, drawn off sawing and ripping of his head... the bloody would spill over the duration.... it took over a minute for his head to come off, you don't think the gushing part would be subsiding by then?

*sigh* these guys are truly sick.

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Furtherly furthermore, What's up with his parents?! They seem a crapload more suspicious than their son... As soon as he's killed, they go onb a rampage against the Bush administration, who their son supported.... And they memorialized their son with words that suggest they never even heard the description of his death! They said they're glad it happened swiftly... where were they?! a Minute or so of slowly getting your head cut off is certainly no swift guillatine!!! I wouldn't be surprised if the we find out Teresa Heinz paid them to come out like that just like those 9/11 victims a few months ago...

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EDIT: And furthestmore, back to the webcam problems... a brass or silver or bronze ring on blurryvision could easily show up gold...

The really bad quality, bad filmed and if your neck is cut - your blood is suppose to "fountain" out of your neck. That didn't happen.
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Supposed to? You mean like in the movies? :x
I can't beleive people could watch that - don't you realize by watching it you are assisting the terrorists? :x

(not a flame)

This guy is out of his frickin' mind. The faking of the Apollo Moon landings is a more believable conspiracy theory.

HEY i was talking to a kid in a chat program a while back and he told me his UNCLE worked for nasa during the moon program and his uncled told and he told me that that whole moonshot in arizona thing IS TRUE

if you cant believe a kid on a chat program who can you believe?

The really bad quality, bad filmed and if your neck is cut - your blood is suppose to "fountain" out of your neck. That didn't happen.
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Supposed to? You mean like in the movies? :x
I can't beleive people could watch that - don't you realize by watching it you are assisting the terrorists? :x

(not a flame)By saying "we need to get the eff outta Iraq!" after watching it, we assist the terrorists, and say "Allright, you proved your point, terrorism works... have israel, go ahead and have Europe (they already have spain germany and france), and while you're at it, go ahead and grab america, we couldn't care less.... I mean, democracy ain't all it's cracked up to be... we can stand a jihadist control for a few hundred years."

By saying "You sick, wicked, twisted, brutal, Jihadist scum! You will never sacrifice another American life to your False God! We're coming in and uprooting you once and for all!" you send the message "Terrorism does not work. It only strengthens us. You will not shake our will!"

This guy is out of his frickin' mind. The faking of the Apollo Moon landings is a more believable conspiracy theory.

HEY i was talking to a kid in a chat program a while back and he told me his UNCLE worked for nasa during the moon program and his uncled told and he told me that that whole moonshot in arizona thing IS TRUE

if you cant believe a kid on a chat program who can you believe?Of course the moonlanding happened! Everybody knows the whole "moonlanding was faked" conspiracy was distributed by the government as a wag-the-dog to cover-up the REAL conspiracy! (That we were actually meeting up with alien motherships!) :P

Man, every day, it becomes more and more and more evident that some people are just afraid of the truth... you guys will do anything to prove al qaeda isn't in Iraq! ((Raysia, you'll do anything to prove they ARE)) ...yeah yeah... anyway... Raysia, most people by know know that al-queda or similar groups are in Iraq. The issue was that they were not working in Iraq before the invasion. 130,000 sitting US soldiers makes for quite an attractive target for them. Think about it.

1) they where saying the wrong prayers <-- As far as I know, all they said was some version of "god is great" I don't know arabic either. If they are, i'm fairly sure someone with expertise in Arabic would come forward against that.

2) Are where light skin then Arabs <--Yeah, and Nick Berg's face was red... it was a webcam, get over it. I agree. There are muslims of every skin color, so why should this be an issue?

3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam <-- A lot of things are forbidden in islam... we're talking al qaeda leaders here... you actually think they care about islam? This is where you are off-base. Al queda is a fundamentalist muslim group. They see islamic nations as under attack from heathen nations and have called a jihad to "protect" their land. Following the las of Islam is of uttermost importance to them. Or at least, with bin Laden and Al-Queda. With a couple of the newer groups, it is more questionable.

4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year <--Saddam supposedly died 7 or 8 times before we captured him :P Where and when? Proof? They had no evidence Saddam was dead before they captured him, only speculation. In the same stance I would like to see the same for this guy. Dead and died last year? Of what and did they find his body or was it also jsut speculation?

A big point I want to make about the rings... if anything, it's suggesting that guys like Zarkowie (sp) don't give a rip about islam... they're terrorist leaders! "Jihad" is nothing more than a word that gets some easily-brainwashed arabs to follow them around, do whatever they say, and blow people up. Do you know nothing of Islam? You don't seem to have a clue as to what these groups are about. They care mroe passionately about islam than about your life. Jihad is a crusade to them. As for "easily brainwashed arabs" I could say the same of anyone of any religion. It proves no point, as with your entire statement there.

These guys are putting on a show. Just like Saddam, when his true cowardness was revealed (guy who ordered suicide bombings, sent his sons to die for him, then wound up cowering in a spider hole), saddam never ordered suicide bombings. He compensated some Palestinian families in which a member had done so, but this was after the fact. I doubt he ordered any such attack; compensating the families put him squarely against the Israeli presence, which was a shrewd move to improve his relations with other Arab nations. Them being not so fond of Saddam for having war against two nations and running a secular nation.
There is no evidence he sent his sons anywhere. From what was found on them, it looked like his sons were headed for a night on the town, but ran into trouble. I realyl doubt saddam had any play in their deaths. As for being caught in a hole, the man was in hiding. Did you expect him to be in a high rise? :roll:

these al qaeda leaders like OBL and Zarkowie (sp) are the EXACT same. They'll pretend to be leaders of a holy war, but they couldn't care less about the holy part. You really should get out and learn more. It is painful to hear this. These guys are as strong of followers of Islam as Falwell is of Christianity. They don't have their heads screwed on straight, but they damn-well DO care about the holy part.

If anything, that ring should be a hint to the arab world, that these guys are saying "Screw Jihad, let's just go kill the americans" If the video was faked, that may be part of the reason it was put in. Or the assertion that the type of ring was banned may be false or not widely practiced. (Akin to several parts of the bible, including most of Leviticus, that are not adhered to.)

islamic World Domination, or Jihadic World Domination, whatever you call it, that's what they're after... appeasing will do nothing, bending to their will will do nothing. These guys want us dead, non-negotiable.And how will bombing the hell out of their lands solve anything? torturing prisoners isn't exactly going to create less terrorists, now is it?


And for the record, Nick Berg was a little suspiscious... why did he choose to drive through the borders when he was offered flight to jordan from the military? Why was he detained a year or two ago? this I agree with; his reasons for being in iraq are specious at best.


Furtherly furthermore, What's up with his parents?! They seem a crapload more suspicious than their son... As soon as he's killed, they go onb a rampage against the Bush administration, who their son supported.... Supported? From what i hear, he jsut came over to find work. But then, parents are allowed to have different views. If they choose to blame the Bush administration for this, that is their prerogative.

And they memorialized their son with words that suggest they never even heard the description of his death! They said they're glad it happened swiftly... where were they?! a Minute or so of slowly getting your head cut off is certainly no swift guillatine!!! I really doubt they saw the video. Chances are they just heard his head was cut off and thought it guillotine-style, with the head lopped off quickly.


I wouldn't be surprised if the we find out Teresa Heinz paid them to come out like that just like those 9/11 victims a few months ago... Possible, but then its also possible the bush administration made the video to make the fundamentalists look even worse and lose support, explaining the ring. Or that the video was real and meant to harm US support for the occupation. it could be interpreted a number of ways.

I saw it too.

The really bad quality, bad filmed and if your neck is cut - your blood is suppose to "fountain" out of your neck. That didn't happen.

The bad filming leaves room for "cheating".

But still, I wouldn't be suprised if this had really happend, nor would I be suprised if this would turn out a fraud.


I think somebody watched Kill Bill Vol. 1 too many times. :roll:

Man, every day, it becomes more and more and more evident that some people are just afraid of the truth... you guys will do anything to prove al qaeda isn't in Iraq! ((Raysia, you'll do anything to prove they ARE)) ...yeah yeah... anyway... Raysia, most people by know know that al-queda or similar groups are in Iraq. The issue was that they were not working in Iraq before the invasion. 130,000 sitting US soldiers makes for quite an attractive target for them. Think about it. Have. And every talk show hast has been talking about that too. THere are a number of things going on to suggest that they were there beforehand... one could argue "Iraq and al qaeda never liked each other, why would they join up against us?" to which I would argue that shiites(sp) and suunis(sp) hate each other, and teamed up to fight us... We're a common enemy.

And zarkowie(sp) on video suggests that he still, and always had, has connections with saddam and his regime, and that we were right that they were working together from the beginning.

1) they where saying the wrong prayers <-- As far as I know, all they said was some version of "god is great" I don't know arabic either. If they are, i'm fairly sure someone with expertise in Arabic would come forward against that.Another big point... Arabic translators did do the simple translation for "god is great," but why no one spoke out about it? That's my question too!
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145069

2) Are where light skin then Arabs <--Yeah, and Nick Berg's face was red... it was a webcam, get over it. I agree. There are muslims of every skin color, so why should this be an issue?it isn't, people like to grasp at anything... ANYTHING, when it comes to anti-bush conspiracies :)

3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam <-- A lot of things are forbidden in islam... we're talking al qaeda leaders here... you actually think they care about islam? This is where you are off-base. Al queda is a fundamentalist muslim group. They see islamic nations as under attack from heathen nations and have called a jihad to "protect" their land. Following the las of Islam is of uttermost importance to them. Or at least, with bin Laden and Al-Queda. With a couple of the newer groups, it is more questionable. that was just a little rant of mine, I went ahead and posted the shortened alternate theory at the bottom :P

4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year <--Saddam supposedly died 7 or 8 times before we captured him :P Where and when? Proof? They had no evidence Saddam was dead before they captured him, only speculation. In the same stance I would like to see the same for this guy. Dead and died last year? Of what and did they find his body or was it also jsut speculation?You sure you aren't on my side? lol

A big point I want to make about the rings... if anything, it's suggesting that guys like Zarkowie (sp) don't give a rip about islam... they're terrorist leaders! "Jihad" is nothing more than a word that gets some easily-brainwashed arabs to follow them around, do whatever they say, and blow people up. Do you know nothing of Islam? You don't seem to have a clue as to what these groups are about. They care mroe passionately about islam than about your life. Jihad is a crusade to them. As for "easily brainwashed arabs" I could say the same of anyone of any religion. It proves no point, as with your entire statement there.All I am saying is that people Like OBL, Saddam, and Zarkowie, use "Jihad," a thing that many islamic extremists take very seriously, as a tool for world domination.

These guys are putting on a show. Just like Saddam, when his true cowardness was revealed (guy who ordered suicide bombings, sent his sons to die for him, then wound up cowering in a spider hole), saddam never ordered suicide bombings. He compensated some Palestinian families in which a member had done so, but this was after the fact. I doubt he ordered any such attack; compensating the families put him squarely against the Israeli presence, which was a shrewd move to improve his relations with other Arab nations. Them being not so fond of Saddam for having war against two nations and running a secular nation.
There is no evidence he sent his sons anywhere. From what was found on them, it looked like his sons were headed for a night on the town, but ran into trouble. I realyl doubt saddam had any play in their deaths. As for being caught in a hole, the man was in hiding. Did you expect him to be in a high rise? :roll: I would have expected him to go down a little less easy than looking like a bum with a bunch of money in a suitcase and an unarmed AK-47 and a cry for mercy :P

these al qaeda leaders like OBL and Zarkowie (sp) are the EXACT same. They'll pretend to be leaders of a holy war, but they couldn't care less about the holy part. You really should get out and learn more. It is painful to hear this. These guys are as strong of followers of Islam as Falwell is of Christianity. They don't have their heads screwed on straight, but they damn-well DO care about the holy part.

If anything, that ring should be a hint to the arab world, that these guys are saying "Screw Jihad, let's just go kill the americans" If the video was faked, that may be part of the reason it was put in. Or the assertion that the type of ring was banned may be false or not widely practiced. (Akin to several parts of the bible, including most of Leviticus, that are not adhered to.)

islamic World Domination, or Jihadic World Domination, whatever you call it, that's what they're after... appeasing will do nothing, bending to their will will do nothing. These guys want us dead, non-negotiable.And how will bombing the hell out of their lands solve anything? torturing prisoners isn't exactly going to create less terrorists, now is it?Bombing their lands sends the message that we don't like getting attacked ourselves... As for the prisoner abuse, there is no excuse for that.


And for the record, Nick Berg was a little suspiscious... why did he choose to drive through the borders when he was offered flight to jordan from the military? Why was he detained a year or two ago? this I agree with; his reasons for being in iraq are specious at best.


Furtherly furthermore, What's up with his parents?! They seem a crapload more suspicious than their son... As soon as he's killed, they go onb a rampage against the Bush administration, who their son supported.... Supported? From what i hear, he jsut came over to find work. But then, parents are allowed to have different views. If they choose to blame the Bush administration for this, that is their prerogative.to which I say, let them rant for a little while... if they're still doing this in a month, then I'll bring up the theories again :)

And they memorialized their son with words that suggest they never even heard the description of his death! They said they're glad it happened swiftly... where were they?! a Minute or so of slowly getting your head cut off is certainly no swift guillatine!!! I really doubt they saw the video. Chances are they just heard his head was cut off and thought it guillotine-style, with the head lopped off quickly.Which is, of course, quite not the painless case. The Guillotine was meant to be a tortureless painless swift death... which this was FAR from.


I wouldn't be surprised if the we find out Teresa Heinz paid them to come out like that just like those 9/11 victims a few months ago... Possible, but then its also possible the bush administration made the video to make the fundamentalists look even worse and lose support, explaining the ring. Or that the video was real and meant to harm US support for the occupation. it could be interpreted a number of ways.And like I said in the edited post, about the ring... I could have just gone off on a little ranting tangent :)

I don't know about Islam's ring laws, but I do know that on a blurryvision webcam, a brass/silver/platinum/cubic zirconium/bronze ring would probably easily be confused for Gold...

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence

Where did you get the info fo r#4? And were did you get the whole Israeli spy bit. I really dislike Israel, so a source would be nice.

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence

Where did you get the info fo r#4? And were did you get the whole Israeli spy bit. I really dislike Israel, so a source would be nice.Given enough time and imagination and michael moore, anyone can make a conspiracy theory against anyone.

"Bush looks like a monkey, ergo, he is a genetically modified chimp raised by michael jackson with funding from martha stewart, whose trainer is dick cheney." :P

"Bush looks like a monkey, ergo, he is a genetically modified chimp raised by michael jackson with funding from martha stewart, whose trainer is dick cheney." :P

I KNEW IT!! :shock:

"Bush looks like a monkey, ergo, he is a genetically modified chimp raised by michael jackson with funding from martha stewart, whose trainer is dick cheney." :P

I KNEW IT!! :shock:Mars doesn't exist. That bright red object we're looking at is an alien mothership! NASA puts out photos of the "red planet" as a cover-up!

By saying "we need to get the eff outta Iraq!" after watching it, we assist the terrorists, and say "Allright, you proved your point, terrorism works... have israel, go ahead and have Europe (they already have spain germany and france), and while you're at it, go ahead and grab america, we couldn't care less.... I mean, democracy ain't all it's cracked up to be... we can stand a jihadist control for a few hundred years."

By saying "You sick, wicked,, twisted brutal, Jihadist scum! You will never sacrifice another American life to your False God! We're coming in and uprooting you once and for all!" you send the message "Terrorism does not work. It only strewngthens us. You will not shake our will."

good point :wink:

btw, did capsule corporation get Deated ?

By saying "we need to get the eff outta Iraq!" after watching it, we assist the terrorists, and say "Allright, you proved your point, terrorism works... have israel, go ahead and have Europe (they already have spain germany and france), and while you're at it, go ahead and grab america, we couldn't care less.... I mean, democracy ain't all it's cracked up to be... we can stand a jihadist control for a few hundred years."

By saying "You sick, wicked,, twisted brutal, Jihadist scum! You will never sacrifice another American life to your False God! We're coming in and uprooting you once and for all!" you send the message "Terrorism does not work. It only strewngthens us. You will not shake our will."

good point :wink:

btw, did capsule corporation get Deated ?No, why?

Actually, yeah, It timed out a while back, but I resurrected it.

that'll be it.

3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam <-- A lot of things are forbidden in islam... we're talking al qaeda leaders here... you actually think they care about islam? This is where you are off-base. Al queda is a fundamentalist muslim group. They see islamic nations as under attack from heathen nations and have called a jihad to "protect" their land. Following the las of Islam is of uttermost importance to them. Or at least, with bin Laden and Al-Queda. With a couple of the newer groups, it is more questionable.
It's worth noting that Jihad, in it's highest form, is characterized by an internal struggle against one's nature, not terrorism. It's also worth noting that women are to be respected and that the innocent protected.

Bin Laden and gang are not strictly following the Laws of Islam (which conflict at times, just like Christianity), but rather are twisting them around for their own agenda.
Al Qaeda is no more an accurate representation of Islam than the KKK is of Christianity.

This guy was an idiot for even going to Iraq! 'Cmon #1 he was Jewish and #2 he is an American! How bold to walk the streets alone.
Apparently greed blinded him.

It's worth noting that Jihad, in it's highest form, is characterized by an internal struggle against one's nature, not terrorism. It's also worth noting that women are to be respected and that the innocent protected.

Bin Laden and gang are not strictly following the Laws of Islam (which conflict at times, just like Christianity), but rather are twisting them around for their own agenda.
Al Qaeda is no more an accurate representation of Islam than the KKK is of Christianity.

I agree with what you said fully. The members truly do believe in what they are doing, which is what I was trying to emphasize. However, they are not representational of the religion by any means. Your last sentence in particular:
Al Qaeda is no more an accurate representation of Islam than the KKK is of Christianity. Summarized my thoughts best.

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence

Acts of violence against civilians are also forbidden by the Qur'an does that mean that terrorism is also an American invention or could it be that the "gold ring" was perhaps not the strongest piece of evidence you could offer.

How do you know that the man involved is dead? Certainly not how he's been reported on the BBC or channel 4?

What are these alleged links between the CIA and the website you speak of?

Why were the prayers "wrong"? I am not familiar with Islamic prayer but it would seem likely that if these prayers are somehow inconsistent with mainstream Islamic teaching then that would be because they were conducted by people with a very different form of Islam.

EEWWWWW yum yum!

Conspiracy theory!!!!!!!

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him

Well that is very hard to prove since it most likely did not happen. With all the anomisty that is going on. A rather American looking spy would be a bad choice. There are many Iraqis that would gladly do the work for a price.


1) they where saying the wrong prayers

Chanting God is Great is very common. I even saw old clips of the Afghan war with the Soviets and saw Afghans firing RPGs shouting God is Great.

2) Are where light skin then Arabs

That is pretty good that you picked that up from rather crappy film.

3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam

Beheading a prisoner in retaliation(which nobody belives) is also against Islam. The terrorists violate Islam all the time so a ring does not matter.


4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

Actually I read a couple months ago. However, a statement means NOTHING on a claim of death. Only a body proves that.


and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence
It's called politics and timing. The idiots who killed Berg did the Shrub a HUGE favor!

Many people who were complaining about the crap that is going on in the prisions are now talking about this! :roll:

Why were the prayers "wrong"? I am not familiar with Islamic prayer but it would seem likely that if these prayers are somehow inconsistent with mainstream Islamic teaching then that would be because they were conducted by people with a very different form of Islam.

There were only chanting "Allah Ackbar(sp?)"

wow, TBF came up with the exact same conclusion as me, probably without even reading my post.

Why? Because we both have something called common sense :P

(half j/k ;) )

The beheading of Nick Berg just explains why the heck we're even in this war against terrorism. People like that have no real moral beliefs, they just want to kill Americans. Should we not go to war against such people? And to those who say we have no business in Iraq, I'd much rather be killing terrorists in Iraq, before they get on American soil. Otherwise we'd be having all these suicide bombings, kidnappings, and beheadings <i>here</i>.

"beheading" is an understatement. Beheading implies a guillotine or sword... 1-cut swift death.

"Live Butchering" would best describe the way this kid slowly and painfully lost his life.... Like an entire torture camp shrunken down to a minute.

If anything, this should be undeniable evidence that evil does in fact exist, and that we are at war with it. And that we can not afford to lose.

If we lose/back down from this war, the result will be worse than vietnam post-war crossed with Rwanda and Iraq pre-war.... it'd be hell for the middle east.

War is painful, but when we come out on top, it will be for the best.

The problem is, some people fail to grasp that there ARE worse things than war.

wow, TBF came up with the exact same conclusion as me, probably without even reading my post.

Why? Because we both have something called common sense :P

(half j/k ;) )

COMMON SENSE!!?!?!?!

You take that back! :P

Although the OPer appears to have already admitted this was
a troll...

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers

Are the really correct prayers for commiting un-islamicx attrocities? And, assuming there is an answer to the first question, since when has "Allah Akbar" not been correct in anything to do witb Islam?

2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam

I know English is not the 1st language of many posters here. And I am used to translating fractured English (I teach ESL). However, could you try that again, please....

Why should the military have protected Berg after they had him in their custody? He isnt an oil field, a museum or zoo.

oh wait they didnt protect the museums or zoos either.

but they do protect their precious contracters the us taxpayers are overpaying for arent they?

THe beheading comes as a convenient distraction for the beleaguered administration.
Berg was known as an Iraqi symapthizer. Our army would hate him.

He was last known and reported to be in US custody.

oh wait they didnt protect the museums or zoos either.

but they do protect their precious contracters the us taxpayers are overpaying for arent they?

Actually I thought one Army unit did adopt a zoo and tried to help the animals?

The Museum was a tragity. Luckily the staff managed to hide many of the valuble stuff.

Though many of it was lost. :(

oh I hadn't heard that.

If thats true then i's very commendable, but somehow I doubt it. dunno why... maybe because of the zoos I heard about having gotten fully looted and all the animals were dying of starvation. :(

Yeah that museum stuff was a HUGE tradgedy along with EVERY other thing goign on in Iraq.

Stupid Iraq War. Useful only in gaining recruits for anti-US terrorism

Why were the prayers "wrong"? I am not familiar with Islamic prayer but it would seem likely that if these prayers are somehow inconsistent with mainstream Islamic teaching then that would be because they were conducted by people with a very different form of Islam.

There were only chanting "Allah Ackbar(sp?)"


Ah, that one I know, "Allah Akhbar" - "God is great". I haven't seen the tape, nor do I want to, but I do know that that quote is from mainstream Islam and is frequently used during prayer. if that was all that they were saying then the person who produced this post clearly does not know what he's talking about. (Lol - as if that's not already a given).

This is nuts.First of all the KKK have done things in the US that rival this act.And open your eyes people shit like this happens everyday even in the 'civilised' western world.
A few nutters who want a 'holy war' are being listened to.America says it must weed them out.
Folks come on, what have they done? Al Q will never be anything more that a seriously bad egg.The majority of people all over the world hate what they do.
Yet the US government lets people believe that they are representative of the Islamic majority. Why? They are not.Yet the excuse to fight them has led to 2 invasions already.

Wake up folks....a bearded crippled millionaire and a few cronies cannot lead a serious war against the US.They commit acts of terrorism but these will be pretty random.Terrorism has always occurred, it is not a recent phenomenon.It was dealt with before by investigation and police work, which worked and had much less loss of life attached to it. Now its being dealt with by invasion.

This shit creates feelings of fear among people.They think they could be killed at any moment.
Al Q are not all that. They do not need to be feared. Greater worldwide harmony and communication between peoples and nations would defeat them.To 99% of people Al Q actions are abhorrent.9/11 could have been used to create some universal concurrence amongst the worlds many peoples.It could have been a turning point.But no, Al Q were blown out of all proportion and were said to be supported by many Middle Eastern governments.
To foster new links with many of these countries could have occurred but instead the US and Britain and others chose war believing anything else would be whimpering to terrorism and thus Al Q got what they wanted.

Read the fucking history books people.......................... And learn.....

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence
And it was shown on a website with known links to al-Qaeda. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya. A conspiracy!

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence
And it was shown on a website with known links to al-Qaeda. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya. A conspiracy!

Yeah especially when you consider that there are strong links between the CIA and Al Q. Ah the shady world of espionage something most of you will never know about and will wallow in ignorance because of it.

He was... he was a Spy who worked for Israel and something went wrong so they killed him
1) they where saying the wrong prayers
2) Are where light skin then Arabs
3) They where when A Gold ring which is forbidden in Islam
4) The guy who supposed to do it is Dead and died Last year

and Bush was in Trouble... and this comes just when he needs it............. and the "Website" goes back to an America Company with links to the CIA

Enough Evidence
And it was shown on a website with known links to al-Qaeda. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya. A conspiracy!

Yeah especially when you consider that there are strong links between the CIA and Al Q. Ah the shady world of espionage something most of you will never know about and will wallow in ignorance because of it.
However, I'm just not buying the theory that the CIA or Israeli intelligence slaughtered Nick Berg.

Tell me is it is supposedly a fraud then tell me why does it convince so many people? i mean it looked just like nick burg didnt it (mind you i havent seen the video and will not for i believe it disrespect the death of Mr.Burg) and light skin doesnt really mean anything remember that american taliban guy? he was white but still a terrorist and a shame to his country. this smells like another conspracy therory made by some one wanting attention :?

It's worth noting that Jihad, in it's highest form, is characterized by an internal struggle against one's nature, not terrorism. It's also worth noting that women are to be respected and that the innocent protected.

Bin Laden and gang are not strictly following the Laws of Islam (which conflict at times, just like Christianity), but rather are twisting them around for their own agenda.
Al Qaeda is no more an accurate representation of Islam than the KKK is of Christianity.

Added to which there are a number of precedents which must be meet before Jihad, in the lose 'Holy War' translation of the term, can be declared and there also qualifiers as to who can make such calls. Osama bin Laden by Islam's own laws is unqualified to declare Jihad.

Added to which matryrdom isn't given out ten-a-penny for blowing up Jews. It is the corruption of people like bin Laden and groups like Al'Queda and Hamas that cause Muslims and Arabs the most damage.

This is nuts.First of all the KKK have done things in the US that rival this act.And open your eyes people shit like this happens everyday even in the 'civilised' western world.
A few nutters who want a 'holy war' are being listened to.America says it must weed them out.
Folks come on, what have they done? Al Q will never be anything more that a seriously bad egg.The majority of people all over the world hate what they do.
Yet the US government lets people believe that they are representative of the Islamic majority. Why? They are not.Yet the excuse to fight them has led to 2 invasions already.

Wake up folks....a bearded crippled millionaire and a few cronies cannot lead a serious war against the US.They commit acts of terrorism but these will be pretty random.Terrorism has always occurred, it is not a recent phenomenon.It was dealt with before by investigation and police work, which worked and had much less loss of life attached to it. Now its being dealt with by invasion.

This shit creates feelings of fear among people.They think they could be killed at any moment.
Al Q are not all that. They do not need to be feared. Greater worldwide harmony and communication between peoples and nations would defeat them.To 99% of people Al Q actions are abhorrent.9/11 could have been used to create some universal concurrence amongst the worlds many peoples.It could have been a turning point.But no, Al Q were blown out of all proportion and were said to be supported by many Middle Eastern governments.
To foster new links with many of these countries could have occurred but instead the US and Britain and others chose war believing anything else would be whimpering to terrorism and thus Al Q got what they wanted.

Read the f--- history books people.......................... And learn.....

Excellent post and insight and so very true.

Bush and Blair are playing directly into Osama bin Laden's hands.

Islam as a political entity does not exist, there is enough infighting and disagreement across the Middle East and Asia for such countries to become a force to be reckoned with.

Attacks like 9/11 and look at the American response. Afghanistan fair enough in the eyes of the Western World, but Iraq was clearly a step to far.

Not only are international relations strained, Coalition casulties continue to mount and resentment continues to spread across the Middle East. There will always be those who see America as the Great Satan, nothing they could do would ever change that.

But actions like Iraq and with Bush's bungled handling and it very much comes across as West vs. Islam and that is exactly what Osama bin Laden wants. He wants to be able to persuade moderate Muslims to become more susceptable to Al'Queda's perverted stamp of psuedo-Islam, and the Coalition are doing exactly that. bin Laden wants a cohesive politicies version of his fake Islam and America and the UK are doing the perfect job of recruting 'martrys' for him.

Shock and Awe of Baghdad broadcast around the world , BBC, CNN, Fox, Al-Jeezera - the perfect propoganda videos.

I don't have answers and I don't say nothing should be done or that the war on terrorism does not have merits (flawed though the concept is). Right now however far from being the noble crusaders Jesus W. Bush & St. Athony of Sedgefield are being the perfect stooges for their own shifty eyed beardy kindey imploding devil.

However, I'm just not buying the theory that the CIA or Israeli intelligence slaughtered Nick Berg.

Fair enough. I'm also not willing to buy into the wholesale conspiracy theory that this was an internal action or, even more on the fringe, that this was orchestrated by BushCo to draw focus from the prison abuse scandal and the fact that leading pundits on both sides and military experts are calling the war in Iraq unwinnable or, even, EVEN, more on the fringe that this was manipulated by Bush detractors to throw even more wrenches into a struggling administration.

However, the fact that both the military administration over there (which has hardly proved itself trustworthy), the Iraqi Police Force and the CIA were all playing "Follow The Queen" with Berg's whereabouts and are now frantically denying that they were the last one holding the hot potato makes me think that something unsavory is going on. Don't know what, though.

However, I'm just not buying the theory that the CIA or Israeli intelligence slaughtered Nick Berg.

Fair enough. I'm also not willing to buy into the wholesale conspiracy theory that this was an internal action or, even more on the fringe, that this was orchestrated by BushCo to draw focus from the prison abuse scandal and the fact that leading pundits on both sides and military experts are calling the war in Iraq unwinnable or, even, EVEN, more on the fringe that this was manipulated by Bush detractors to throw even more wrenches into a struggling administration.

However, the fact that both the military administration over there (which has hardly proved itself trustworthy), the Iraqi Police Force and the CIA were all playing "Follow The Queen" with Berg's whereabouts and are now frantically denying that they were the last one holding the hot potato makes me think that something unsavory is going on. Don't know what, though.
Well, they can't easily identify someone who hasn't a head left. However, a few days after they found the body, the tape was shown, there was no way the family alone could know that it was, in fact, Mr. Berg. It was regular problems in their forensics investigation that held them up.

However, I'm just not buying the theory that the CIA or Israeli intelligence slaughtered Nick Berg.

Fair enough. I'm also not willing to buy into the wholesale conspiracy theory that this was an internal action or, even more on the fringe, that this was orchestrated by BushCo to draw focus from the prison abuse scandal and the fact that leading pundits on both sides and military experts are calling the war in Iraq unwinnable or, even, EVEN, more on the fringe that this was manipulated by Bush detractors to throw even more wrenches into a struggling administration.

However, the fact that both the military administration over there (which has hardly proved itself trustworthy), the Iraqi Police Force and the CIA were all playing "Follow The Queen" with Berg's whereabouts and are now frantically denying that they were the last one holding the hot potato makes me think that something unsavory is going on. Don't know what, though.
Well, they can't easily identify someone who hasn't a head left. However, a few days after they found the body, the tape was shown, there was no way the family alone could know that it was, in fact, Mr. Berg. It was regular problems in their forensics investigation that held them up.

I'll give you that. Corpse identification is tricky when one doesn't have a head. However, I'm referring to the incidents that led up to Berg's "kidnapping" and the lack of any cohesive idea of where he was, even though he was supposedly in the custody of at least two different military groups for around two to three weeks directly prior to his disappearance. In fact, one of those detainments caused him to miss a flight out of Iraq. It's also interesting to note that the Berg family is in possesion of e-mails from the State Department saying they were holding him, but the State Department now denies ever sending those e-mails.

one could argue "Iraq and al qaeda never liked each other, why would they join up against us?" to which I would argue that shiites(sp) and suunis(sp) hate each other, and teamed up to fight us... We're a common enemy.

It's a point not without merit but I don't believe it to be the case.

Common enemy is a simplistic look at it. The Shi'ite and Sunni's have a common goal in their resistance to the Coalition. Once the invaders are driven out they'll no doubt get back to killing each other

Al'Queda on the other hand also viewed secular Iraq as a threat. America may have been Hussein's enemy but so was Al'Queda. If the Ba'athis regime sided with Al'Queda it would have already signed it's death warrent. Even in a unlikely nightmare scenario in which Al'Queda triumphed over America, Iraq as it was under Hussein would have been a legitimate target to.

Links with Palestinian terrorism sure, but Al'Queda, I remain unconvinced and have yet to see any compelling proof.

one could argue "Iraq and al qaeda never liked each other, why would they join up against us?" to which I would argue that shiites(sp) and suunis(sp) hate each other, and teamed up to fight us... We're a common enemy.

It's a point not without merit but I don't believe it to be the case.

Common enemy is a simplistic look at it. The Shi'ite and Sunni's have a common goal in their resistance to the Coalition. Once the invaders are driven out they'll no doubt get back to killing each other

Al'Queda on the other hand also viewed secular Iraq as a threat. America may have been Hussein's enemy but so was Al'Queda. If the Ba'athis regime sided with Al'Queda it would have already signed it's death warrent. Even in a unlikely nightmare scenario in which Al'Queda triumphed over America, Iraq as it was under Hussein would have been a legitimate target to.

Links with Palestinian terrorism sure, but Al'Queda, I remain unconvinced and have yet to see any compelling proof.

The daisy chain goes like this. Hussein had ties to to Syria sufficient to ship them oil beyond the amount allowable by UN sanctions. In short a decent working relationship. The documentation of this goes back to at least 1997-8. One Source (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/irq9910.htm) (there are many others.)

"Syria has functioned as a hub for al-Qaeda operatives who moved Islamic extremists and money from Italy to north-eastern Iraq, where the recruits fought alongside the recently defeated Ansar al Islam terrorist group, according to an Italian investigation." . . . "We are not interested in the politics of it," an Italian law enforcement official said. "The investigation shows that there were several leaders in Syria - that's the bottom line." This from a LA Times article dated April 17, 2003 SOURCE (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/16/1050172655079.html)

A BBC article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2149499.stm) dated July 24, 2002 states, "A captured Iraqi intelligence officer of 20 years' standing, Abu Iman al-Baghdadi, who is held by the PUK, said Abu Wa'il is actively manipulating the Ansar on behalf of Iraqi intelligence.

"I was captured by the Kurds after Iraqi intelligence sent me to check what was happening with Abu Wa'il, following rumours that he'd been captured and handed over the CIA," al-Baghdadi said.

He added that Baghdad smuggles arms to the Ansar through the Kurdish area, and is using the group to make problems for the PUK, one of the opposition factions ranged against Saddam Hussein.

It is interesting to see people in their anti-US vitrol try to reconstruct Saddam Hussein. I wouldn't be surprised to soon hear that he was just a poor, misunderstood man. I am not suggesting that the US doesn't deserve the criticism. It does. But seriously, no al Qaeda ties?

SHL

It is interesting to see people in their anti-US vitrol try to reconstruct Saddam Hussein. I wouldn't be surprised to soon hear that he was just a poor, misunderstood man. I am not suggesting that the US doesn't deserve the criticism. It does. But seriously, no al Qaeda ties?

Understanding a man's motivations is not synoymous with being an apologist for his actions.

I was unaware there was an vitriol in my post.

If there were links between Saddam and Al'Queda then Saddam was very stupid indeed to cultivate them. But I've never claimed the man was a genuis.

Thanks for the links.

Oh this thread should be interesting.. :lol: uh, why didnt you lock this for trolling?

Nick Berg was a pactifist Mennonite, like me.

We work in Palestine and Chechnya and in other places in perfect safety.

We carry no weapons.

The people of Islam know we are not a threat, but a friend, helpging not only with humanitarian relief but by building bridges between cultures.

Who is more likely to want this man dead, then? The people he is helping? Remember, we are used to working with radicals.

Or the government whose policies of aggression he opposes?

What could be better for the administration? Get this pacifist troublemaker out of the way and create a necessary distraction from the prison atrocities and the decline of the war?!

It is interesting to see people in their anti-US vitrol try to reconstruct Saddam Hussein. I wouldn't be surprised to soon hear that he was just a poor, misunderstood man. I am not suggesting that the US doesn't deserve the criticism. It does. But seriously, no al Qaeda ties?

Understanding a man's motivations is not synoymous with being an apologist for his actions.

I was unaware there was an vitriol in my post.

If there were links between Saddam and Al'Queda then Saddam was very stupid indeed to cultivate them. But I've never claimed the man was a genuis.

Thanks for the links.

Hmm.. OK. I was incorrect in placing that sentiment in a response to your comment. My apologies.

I was commenting generally on the tenor of some comments made with regard to SH.

If we agree on nothing else, then yes, the man was not the brilliant strategist he apparently thought he was.

SHL

Hmm.. OK. I was incorrect in placing that sentiment in a response to your comment. My apologies.

I was commenting generally on the tenor of some comments made with regard to SH.

If we agree on nothing else, then yes, the man was not the brilliant strategist he apparently thought he was.

No apology needed Sir, but I appreciate the sentiment.

I will conceed that there has been a lot of retroactive justification for Saddam's actions by those against the war, though the same criticism can be leveled at those who turned a blind eye to the worst of his atrocities at the time cf. many senior figures in the current American administration..

I dont justify what happened to Nick Berg in any way--but he was clearly a spy

There are some wierd things
http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

Anyways, I'm going to assume it wasn't a conspiracy because I just don't want to have to assume everything is, but all possibilities should be looked at.

I dont justify what happened to Nick Berg in any way--but he was clearly a spy

I'm going to regret this, but based on what?

What a theory.

what makes you think men who would saw off the head of an innocent man who came to help them as he screams for mercy would follow all the tenants of the koran?

I dont justify what happened to Nick Berg in any way--but he was clearly a spy

I'm going to regret this, but based on what?

look at all the highly suspiscous occurences in his life and what was he doing in Iraq as an "unemployed" contractor-whatever that is. He has a very strange story indeed

I dont justify what happened to Nick Berg in any way--but he was clearly a spy

I'm going to regret this, but based on what?

look at all the highly suspiscous occurences in his life and what was he doing in Iraq as an "unemployed" contractor-whatever that is. He has a very strange story indeed

Yes, but strang life story != spy. As has been pointed out, he was a Mennonite, a member of a peach church with a strong background in helping build infrastructures in other countries. He was over there doing that, or do you have some reason to believe otherwise? I'm not asking this in a rude or sarcastic way, because something under the table is going on in this story. I'd really like to know if you have seen an article or read something that made you think this.

However, I'm just not buying the theory that the CIA or Israeli intelligence slaughtered Nick Berg.

Fair enough. I'm also not willing to buy into the wholesale conspiracy theory that this was an internal action or, even more on the fringe, that this was orchestrated by BushCo to draw focus from the prison abuse scandal and the fact that leading pundits on both sides and military experts are calling the war in Iraq unwinnable or, even, EVEN, more on the fringe that this was manipulated by Bush detractors to throw even more wrenches into a struggling administration.

However, the fact that both the military administration over there (which has hardly proved itself trustworthy), the Iraqi Police Force and the CIA were all playing "Follow The Queen" with Berg's whereabouts and are now frantically denying that they were the last one holding the hot potato makes me think that something unsavory is going on. Don't know what, though.
Well, they can't easily identify someone who hasn't a head left. However, a few days after they found the body, the tape was shown, there was no way the family alone could know that it was, in fact, Mr. Berg. It was regular problems in their forensics investigation that held them up.

I'll give you that. Corpse identification is tricky when one doesn't have a head. However, I'm referring to the incidents that led up to Berg's "kidnapping" and the lack of any cohesive idea of where he was, even though he was supposedly in the custody of at least two different military groups for around two to three weeks directly prior to his disappearance. In fact, one of those detainments caused him to miss a flight out of Iraq. It's also interesting to note that the Berg family is in possesion of e-mails from the State Department saying they were holding him, but the State Department now denies ever sending those e-mails.
Probably it was linked to his meeting with Zacharias Mussoui, which is pretty much undoubted. I think that if anything happened, al-Qaeda was pissed at him for some reason about the meeting, and decided to kill him then for reasons of convinience. After all, the killing perfectly coincided with the prison torture scandal.
Anyhow, the government wanted, if anything, to try and hide the fact that Nick Berg was arrested, probably because the State Department didn't need this to somehow bring up the 9/11 issue. I'm sure that if someone got the facts all straight, the government would probably reveal what was involved between them and Nick Berg. But it's probably something that, while it's possible to find out, they'll just keep quiet until we do. It's the don't ask, don't tell sort of thing.

Hmm.. OK. I was incorrect in placing that sentiment in a response to your comment. My apologies.

I was commenting generally on the tenor of some comments made with regard to SH.

If we agree on nothing else, then yes, the man was not the brilliant strategist he apparently thought he was.

No apology needed Sir, but I appreciate the sentiment.

I will conceed that there has been a lot of retroactive justification for Saddam's actions by those against the war, though the same criticism can be leveled at those who turned a blind eye to the worst of his atrocities at the time cf. many senior figures in the current American administration..

Franklin Delano Roosevelt is often quoted as saying, "Yes, but he's our bastard." Unfortunately, as bastards must, they turn out to be bastards and everybody acts shocked.

An interesting look at the whole lot at this point might be Machiavelli's Discourses Chapter XXXIII HERE (http://www.constitution.org/mac/disclivy1.htm#1:33)

SHL

[quote="Raysian Military Tech"]LOL this is too great!

Not only does the media refuse to make a big deal out of this slaughter, but now people are theorizing that it's a hoax! lol

Man, every day, it becomes more and more and more evident that some people are just afraid of the truth... you guys will do anything to prove al qaeda isn't in Iraq! ((Raysia, you'll do anything to prove they ARE)) ...yeah yeah... anyway...

Furtherly furthermore, What's up with his parents?! They seem a crapload more suspicious than their son... As soon as he's killed, they go onb a rampage against the Bush administration, who their son supported.... And they memorialized their son with words that suggest they never even heard the description of his death! They said they're glad it happened swiftly... where were they?! a Minute or so of slowly getting your head cut off is certainly no swift guillatine!!! I wouldn't be surprised if the we find out Teresa Heinz paid them to come out like that just like those 9/11 victims a few months ago...

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"Lol"eh? Glad you find this a laughing matter.
Quaeda most certainly is in Iraq......now. Along with all sorts of gutter-snipes that weren't there before the invasion. Thank you Messrs. Bush and Blair for substantially adding to the numbers of people that hate us.

You've got some nerve criticising the poor murdered bastards parents. Just what gives you the right to slag them off? If you read the story of his original imprisonment, his treatment, the 3 visits by US authorities to him during that time, then his 'release' and re-capture, I too would insist that the US government has a meaty share of the blame. And I don't suppose that by saying they're thankful that their sons death was 'quick' is an attempt at coming to terms with his loss could it?
I refuse to watch the video, I don't need to see it to satisfy any curiosity or perverted blood-lust. So I can't comment on how the poor sods blood left his agonised and terrified body.
People like you make me ashamed to be part of the same human race.

who has seen the video?
i have.

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

we-ell, i didn't think it's that bad. then again, it is someone getting decapitated. you have to choose.

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

we-ell, i didn't think it's that bad. then again, it is someone getting decapitated. you have to choose. i heard it wasndone in one swift motion, i heard they hacked his head off

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

we-ell, i didn't think it's that bad. then again, it is someone getting decapitated. you have to choose. i heard it wasndone in one swift motion, i heard they hacked his head off

they sure did. it didn't bother me though.

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

we-ell, i didn't think it's that bad. then again, it is someone getting decapitated. you have to choose. i heard it wasndone in one swift motion, i heard they hacked his head off

they sure did. it didn't bother me though. well, off to entinsity then

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Why should you? Can't you just imagine the horror?

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Why should you? Can't you just imagine the horror?

it really wasn't that bad!

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/earthgifs/world.gif

Why should you? Can't you just imagine the horror?

it really wasn't that bad!

If you really feel that, I pity you.

If you really feel that, I pity you.

i'm aware of my lack of emotional development. truth is, i can't empathize with other people or identify even my own emotions. when i was a kid my parents stressed intellect over everything else, so i never really learned how to understand other people.

if your neck is cut - your blood is suppose to "fountain" out of your neck.

how did you know?
did you watch kill bill and so your an expert?

WTF? Is this The Red Arrow, version two?

Hmm.. OK. I was incorrect in placing that sentiment in a response to your comment. My apologies.

I was commenting generally on the tenor of some comments made with regard to SH.

If we agree on nothing else, then yes, the man was not the brilliant strategist he apparently thought he was.

No apology needed Sir, but I appreciate the sentiment.

I will conceed that there has been a lot of retroactive justification for Saddam's actions by those against the war, though the same criticism can be leveled at those who turned a blind eye to the worst of his atrocities at the time cf. many senior figures in the current American administration..

Franklin Delano Roosevelt is often quoted as saying, "Yes, but he's our bastard." Unfortunately, as bastards must, they turn out to be bastards and everybody acts shocked.

That is always the way. How did the old joke go? Something along the lines of most Cold War dictators had degrees from Havard or Oxford. Wasn't Idi Aman at Eaton?

Of course the Coalition currently counts Islam Karimov as an ally, a man with many Saddamistic (Hey, I invented a new word!) tendancies.

Perhaps in 20 years time President Jenna Bush will invade Uzbekistan, and her supporters will cite the human rights abuses of 2004 as justification.

Perhaps in 20 years time President Jenna Bush will invade Uzbekistan, and her supporters will cite the human rights abuses of 2004 as justification.

My, you do harbor dark dreams.

Brrrr...

Perhaps in 20 years time President Jenna Bush will invade Uzbekistan, and her supporters will cite the human rights abuses of 2004 as justification.

My, you do harbor dark dreams.

Brrrr...

Oh, I don't know. By that point in time, perhaps the US will have grown tired of earning the hatred of the rest of the world and we'll need a party girl in our top executive slot.

My husband and I watched the video on the net. It was deeply disturbing and left us with more questions then answers. Certainly some thing seemed off. I'm not saying it was and I'm not saying it wasn't a set up.. I don't know. I do know it was horrible and is now etched in my mind. It's not some thing I would watch again if I knew how I was going to react.

Apparently some HS student in Memphis was in his computer lab at school and watched the video. He told his parents about it and now the father wants the teacher to be fired, her certification revoked, and to never be able to teach in Tennessee again. The student is 18 years old. He is old enaugh to watch movies with that much violence, and the father is bitching and moaning.

People like that need to get a grip on reality.

I've actually heard that it was a fake.

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Apparently some HS student in Memphis was in his computer lab at school and watched the video. He told his parents about it and now the father wants the teacher to be fired, her certification revoked, and to never be able to teach in Tennessee again. The student is 18 years old. He is old enaugh to watch movies with that much violence, and the father is bitching and moaning.

People like that need to get a grip on reality.

Lotsa suthruners don't like ta see news that make Dubya look bad.
Damaging pictures? Punish the photographer!

My husband and I watched the video on the net. It was deeply disturbing and left us with more questions then answers. Certainly some thing seemed off. I'm not saying it was and I'm not saying it wasn't a set up.. I don't know. I do know it was horrible and is now etched in my mind. It's not some thing I would watch again if I knew how I was going to react.

For once I agree with you. I can't quite put my finger on it but I liken it to hearing a waltz while watching a mosh pit in full throttle. It just doesn't 'ring true' somehow.

SHL

who has seen the video?
i have. im debating about it, should i?

we-ell, i didn't think it's that bad. then again, it is someone getting decapitated. you have to choose. i heard it wasndone in one swift motion, i heard they hacked his head off

you heard wrong--it was anything BUT swift--they didnt know what they were doing, they used the wrong kinda knife and they were sawing away at his neck forever while he was screaming at the top of his lungs--whether he was a spy or not no one deserves a fate like this (well, almost no one)

Perhaps in 20 years time President Jenna Bush will invade Uzbekistan, and her supporters will cite the human rights abuses of 2004 as justification.

My, you do harbor dark dreams.

Brrrr...

Oh, I don't know. By that point in time, perhaps the US will have grown tired of earning the hatred of the rest of the world and we'll need a party girl in our top executive slot.

Hey I'm a foreigner remember, I've no idea what Jenna's like, I just yanked her name off google. :P

I've seen it, and if you ask me, the man was dead before they started. He didn't move at all during the long ramble of the "terrorists", other than his shoulders moving up and down, which could easily be accomplished by the man standing conveniently behind him. The scream seemed completely out of place. As MKULTRA pointed out, it was anything but quick, and he shouldn't be able to scream at all with a slit throat, but he did. Also, a man's heart continues to beat violently some minutes after the head is removed from the body, but in the video you could discern almost no blood flowing at all.

Whether he was killed by terrorists or otherwise, I don't know, though the facts others have posted here make it very suspicious. All I feel certain about is that he did not die in that video.