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From the NY Post:

By VINCENT MORRIS and DEBORAH ORIN
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May 13, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Shocking shots of sexcapades involving Pfc. Lynndie England were among the hundreds of X-rated photos and videos from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal shown to lawmakers in a top-secret Capitol conference room yesterday.
"She was having sex with numerous partners. It appeared to be consensual," said a lawmaker who saw the photos.

And, videos showed the disgraced soldier - made notorious in a photo showing her holding a leash looped around an Iraqi prisoner's neck - engaged in graphic sex acts with other soldiers in front of Iraqi prisoners, Pentagon officials told NBC Nightly News.

"Almost everybody was naked all the time," another lawmaker said.

Many members of Congress left the 45-minute viewing session early, thereby missing the porno performance by England, but there were enough other images of torture, humiliation and intimidation to sicken anyone.

"It was pretty disgusting, not what you'd expect from Americans," said Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.). "There was lots of sexual stuff - not of the Iraqis, but of our troops."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who also characterized the photos as "disgusting," agreed, noting, "It's hard to believe that this actually is taking place in a military facility."



The shocking photos and videos, provided on computer disks by Pentagon officials, showed attack dogs snarling at cowering prisoners, Iraqi women forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners tied together on the floor, senators revealed as they emerged from the heavily guarded conference room.

"It was significantly worse than I had anticipated," said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore). "Take the worst case and multiply it over several times."

"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) described the images as "more detailed and more graphic than the pictures that have been released publicly," referring to the disturbing photos of Iraqis being abused at Abu Ghraib prison that surfaced two weeks ago, and which Islamic terrorists claim led to this week's revenge beheading of American Nick Berg.

"Normally, I side with disclosure and openness, but in this case, these photos are evidence," Schumer said, indicating that he favors keeping the lid on the alarming pictures, as Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) have urged.

Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said she was most appalled by a video of a handcuffed prisoner beating his head against a wall in an apparent bid to knock himself unconscious to escape abuse.

In another video clip, she said, a group of men were shown masturbating.

Before the pictures of England's sex romps were shown to Congress, the 21-year-old reservist from West Virginia tried to portray herself as a reluctant participant who was just following orders.

"I didn't really, I mean, want to be in any pictures," England told a Denver TV station.

"I was instructed by persons in higher rank to 'stand there, hold this leash, look at the camera,' and they took picture for PsyOps [psychological operations]," she told KCNC-TV.

England acknowledged "it was kind of weird" when she was photographed smiling, with a cigarette in her mouth, as she leaned forward and pointed at the genitals of a naked, hooded Iraqi at Abu Ghraib prison.

England has refused to identify who gave her the orders, saying only that they came from "persons in my chain of command."

England faces a military court-martial that includes charges such as conspiracy to maltreat prisoners and assault consummated by battery.

She could face punishment ranging from a reprimand to more than 15 years in prison.

Additional reporting by Niles Lathem

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Just like Paris Hilton, except you don't need the night vision goggles!

/disgusted

ewwwww :?

God it sounding more and more like a harem over at the prion

"that's un-american" - grampa rumsfeld
(he really knows his non sequiter)

Yep, according to some officials, some of it even went as far as rape and murder, but that stuff will not be released for obvious reasons. I bet they all get dishonourable discharges, and no prison time. That's the way it's looking, with the number of lawyers they've got. Disgraceful.

Yep, according to some officials, some of it even went as far as rape and murder, but that stuff will not be released for obvious reasons. I bet they all get dishonourable discharges, and no prison time. That's the way it's looking, with the number of lawyers they've got. Disgraceful.

YES!

Yep, according to some officials, some of it even went as far as rape and murder, but that stuff will not be released for obvious reasons. I bet they all get dishonourable discharges, and no prison time. That's the way it's looking, with the number of lawyers they've got. Disgraceful.

YES!

I second that

If we are complacent enough to sit back and accept that 7 lower ranking figures were completely to blame without looking at anyone else, then that too is disgusting. Where were the orders coming from? What was the chain of command? Were they taking orders from private contractors and if so, why? This is not the military I served. The line between military and private contractor is so skewed that its frightening.

It's bad enough for America with all these pictures, and details of even worse. Can you imagine if over the next two months they all walked free? I can't even begin to contemplate what headlines that would make, and what message it would send out.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the fuck is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:

BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers? :roll:
Transl: "I don't even give a damn about American public opinion anymore."

I really hope this isnt going to turn into some stupid impeachment thing.

"BUSH LINKED TO IRAQI PRISONER ABUSE! VIDEO FOUND!"
(Insert badly edited copy/paste of Bush making a speech into background of previously released tapes)

BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers? :roll:
Transl: "I don't even give a damn about American public opinion anymore."

I wonder if he knows about the guy that was killed by the Al Qeda

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/US/05/12/prisoner.abuse.england.ap/vert.story.private.lynndie..jpg

Is it just me or does she look like Bush's twin?

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/US/05/12/prisoner.abuse.england.ap/vert.story.private.lynndie..jpg

Is it just me or does she look like Bush's twin?

Looks like Russell Crowe.

Your title is a bit misleading--the woman allegedly involved in these acts (she hasn't been convicted yet, so it's still alleged) didn't release the tape. It was viewed by the Senate and hasn't been released to the public, but England hasn't released it and if the descriptions are correct, I don't imagine she will.

They can add a new charge: rape.

At the American training facility for the MI, they have orgies a lot. Seems to be part of the culture. They be freaking videotaping the crap too.
Most recently they busted 132 people who were caught in the act of having one.

Yep, according to some officials, some of it even went as far as rape and murder, but that stuff will not be released for obvious reasons. I bet they all get dishonourable discharges, and no prison time. That's the way it's looking, with the number of lawyers they've got. Disgraceful.
Basically a slap on the hand when the only appropriate punishment is death by firing squad.

If we are complacent enough to sit back and accept that 7 lower ranking figures were completely to blame without looking at anyone else, then that too is disgusting. Where were the orders coming from? What was the chain of command? Were they taking orders from private contractors and if so, why? This is not the military I served. The line between military and private contractor is so skewed that its frightening.
Most likely they did on their own. Cause in the cases of the orgies at a certain installation in the states, when the senior ranking found out, the people involved always ended up in hot water.

It's bad enough for America with all these pictures, and details of even worse. Can you imagine if over the next two months they all walked free? I can't even begin to contemplate what headlines that would make, and what message it would send out.
Many American soldiers are hoping they don't get off free.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers? :roll:
Transl: "I don't even give a damn about American public opinion anymore."
Actually the editorials in the New York Times don't reflect American public opinion. Nor do that paper's news stories. YOu want your opinion heard? Send an email to the white house.

Actually the editorials in the New York Times don't reflect American public opinion. Nor do that paper's news stories. YOu want your opinion heard? Send an email to the white house.
These days, that involves navigating a dozen-step online procedure which filters out all negative content.

Actually the editorials in the New York Times don't reflect American public opinion. Nor do that paper's news stories. YOu want your opinion heard? Send an email to the white house.
These days, that involves navigating a dozen-step online procedure which filters out all negative content.Glad you mentioned that--I was about to.

Don'y those Congressional scoundrels sound hypocritical pretending to be oh-so-virtuous? Come on, we all know better.

Actually the editorials in the New York Times don't reflect American public opinion. Nor do that paper's news stories. YOu want your opinion heard? Send an email to the white house.
These days, that involves navigating a dozen-step online procedure which filters out all negative content.
You are mostly likely correct on that one. The President is wrapped in a coccoon where he can't see what going on in the real america.

Don'y those Congressional scoundrels sound hypocritical pretending to be oh-so-virtuous? Come on, we all know better.
What are you talking about?

This shows you the need for balance.

In the middle east, there's not enough sex, and too much religion.

In the U.S. / Europe, there's not enough religion, and too much sex.

People in the west need to take sexuality more seriously... sheesh.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.

Rumsfeld is really dlyslexic and the newspaper discriminates against his race.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.Actually, two of Rumsfeld's biggest critics in the press recently are Col. David Hackworth who writes a cyndicated column and runs a website and the Army Times. Neither of them is what you would call liberal, unless your political bent is somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.
No. Cause the media has always given him favorable coverage.
What I am saying, the reason we in the military don't like the media, is that the media always biases their reporting depending on which political party they want to gain sympathy for. Hence, democratic reporters are using the event to make a Republican White House look bad and republican reporters are using it to make democratic lawmakers look bad.
That is for a fact how the US media operates.

I still think that they should turn her and her cohorts over to a muslim court along with all of the evidence......

I think if this case is true to history (i.e. the punishment of rape perpetrators), the criminals will get no more than a slap on the wrist and maybe a few lines in the press. Although the government has so far shown much interest in getting to the bottom of what is going on, the case of Nick Berg has come forth as much more important because he is an American horribly brutalized and beheaded "by those terrorist bastards."

Congressman have commented that his story should take precedence because those prisoners were not being held for "mere traffic violations" to quote one Republican.

I think its surprising that England was allowed to express her sexuality (if it was indeed her sexuality) at all the way that the United States surpresses female sexuality.

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.Actually, two of Rumsfeld's biggest critics in the press recently are Col. David Hackworth who writes a cyndicated column and runs a website and the Army Times. Neither of them is what you would call liberal, unless your political bent is somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.
The Army Times is pretty neutral though it leans toward being biased in favor of American troops. Then again, that's because it is written and edited by American soldiers.

I still think that they should turn her and her cohorts over to a muslim court along with all of the evidence......

That'd be the day....

I think if this case is true to history (i.e. the punishment of rape perpetrators), the criminals will get no more than a slap on the wrist and maybe a few lines in the press. Although the government has so far shown much interest in getting to the bottom of what is going on, the case of Nick Berg has come forth as much more important because he is an American horribly brutalized and beheaded "by those terrorist bastards."

Congressman have commented that his story should take precedence because those prisoners were not being held for "mere traffic violations" to quote one Republican.

I think its surprising that England was allowed to express her sexuality (if it was indeed her sexuality) at all the way that the United States surpresses female sexuality.
What makes you say that?

Which part?

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.
No. Cause the media has always given him favorable coverage.
What I am saying, the reason we in the military don't like the media, is that the media always biases their reporting depending on which political party they want to gain sympathy for. Hence, democratic reporters are using the event to make a Republican White House look bad and republican reporters are using it to make democratic lawmakers look bad.
That is for a fact how the US media operates.

So the answer is "stop reading news" instead of perhaps keeping your eyes open as you read them?

Which part?
The part of her expressing her sexuality.
And yes, in America, sex is considered evil. This is due to the political lobbying of certain wacko christian groups.

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

yet the dirty magazines are on the top shelf and spiderman gets melted by acid on the bottow shelf...

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!When you have people screaming bloody murder cause some singer accidently had her breast exposed at a football game, then yes Americans think sex is evil and they think the human body is evil.

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

yet the dirty magazines are on the top shelf and spiderman gets melted by acid on the bottow shelf...
You are aware that Bush is having his people write up a law banning pornography cause Focus on the Family complained about it that it was immoral.

Exactly, the expression of female sexuality is supressed in the United States, partly because of wacko Christian groups and partly because of the mixed messages that women get.

We're supposed to be knowledgeable about sex, and yet virginal. We're supposed to have experience, and yet stay chaste until marriage. It's all very confusing.

Yet, there is so little information about female sexuality and what it IS. I was surprised that it was England who was in the pictures and not a man--making this young girl a scapegoat and not the sexually active, virile male.

So little is known about female sexuality, I guess I thought that from the background and messages that society gives to women, England would have abstained from such actions and left it to the boys. But--perhaps something about it appealed to her. I think it would make an interesting study about human nature, female sexuality and perhaps "peer pressure" for lack of a better term.

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!When you have people screaming bloody murder cause some singer accidently had her breast exposed at a football game, then yes Americans think sex is evil and they think the human body is evil.No--Americans don't think sex is evil. A few loud-mouthed puritanical Americans think sex is evil and that the human body is evil, but Americans as a whole don't think so. Hell, I don't think we could get Americans as a whole to agree that the sky is blue.

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!When you have people screaming bloody murder cause some singer accidently had her breast exposed at a football game, then yes Americans think sex is evil and they think the human body is evil.

You kidding me? A lot of people I've been seeing were printing that boob and did God knows what with it.

It was only the parents with 3 yr old boob witnesses who were complaining. And the FCC or whatever

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

yet the dirty magazines are on the top shelf and spiderman gets melted by acid on the bottow shelf...
You are aware that Bush is having his people write up a law banning pornography cause Focus on the Family complained about it that it was immoral.

Really? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll have lots of fun seeing that one unfold.

Did you know dildos are illegal in texas?

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!When you have people screaming bloody murder cause some singer accidently had her breast exposed at a football game, then yes Americans think sex is evil and they think the human body is evil.No--Americans don't think sex is evil. A few loud-mouthed puritanical Americans think sex is evil and that the human body is evil, but Americans as a whole don't think so. Hell, I don't think we could get Americans as a whole to agree that the sky is blue.

THE SKY IS BLACK! HELLLOOOOOOOO? DID YOU LOOK OUT THE WINDOW? :wink:

Exactly, the expression of female sexuality is supressed in the United States, partly because of wacko Christian groups and partly because of the mixed messages that women get.

We're supposed to be knowledgeable about sex, and yet virginal. We're supposed to have experience, and yet stay chaste until marriage. It's all very confusing.

Yet, there is so little information about female sexuality and what it IS. I was surprised that it was England who was in the pictures and not a man--making this young girl a scapegoat and not the sexually active, virile male.

So little is known about female sexuality, I guess I thought that from the background and messages that society gives to women, England would have abstained from such actions and left it to the boys. But--perhaps something about it appealed to her. I think it would make an interesting study about human nature, female sexuality and perhaps "peer pressure" for lack of a better term.

no no no. In America, the women are very aggressive when it comes to sex.

I could make a fortune selling blackmarket dildos in Texas!

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

yet the dirty magazines are on the top shelf and spiderman gets melted by acid on the bottow shelf...
You are aware that Bush is having his people write up a law banning pornography cause Focus on the Family complained about it that it was immoral.

Really? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll have lots of fun seeing that one unfold.

Did you know dildos are illegal in texas?
They are? More proof of how evil these people are.

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?

yep

well...not just the women....

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

Where the hell did you see this?

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

Where the hell did you see this?

All over the country "Eagle"man!

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

Where the hell did you see this?
In California. In los angeles county.
And if a girl refuses to have sex with a guy, he pisses in her drink or in her car.

Sex is not considered evil in America... perhaps we have higher standards of sexual behavior than Europe, but not by much, and those are too low as it is. All these games revolving around sex, treating sexuality like a game, a toy, is unhealthy. As I said, in America/Europe, too much sex, not enough religion, in the Middle East, too much religion, not enough sex.

This is what gives us people who do these depraved things, a society that looks at sexuality as a game.

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

Where the hell did you see this?
In California. In los angeles county.


Well shit, I ain't going there. That's not worth it.

Sex is not considered evil in America... perhaps we have higher standards of sexual behavior than Europe, but not by much, and those are too low as it is. All these games revolving around sex, treating sexuality like a game, a toy, is unhealthy. As I said, in America/Europe, too much sex, not enough religion, in the Middle East, too much religion, not enough sex.

This is what gives us people who do these depraved things, a society that looks at sexuality as a game.
In America sex is something to be ashamed of.

"The women" are very aggressive when it comes to sex?
Yes. from what I have seen. The woman always gives the man the pick up line.

Where the hell did you see this?
In California. In los angeles county.


Well shit, I ain't going there. That's not worth it.
WHy not?

sex....evil....HERE?

Man....people have sex on Fox 11 for a colonge commercial here in the USA!

yet the dirty magazines are on the top shelf and spiderman gets melted by acid on the bottow shelf...
You are aware that Bush is having his people write up a law banning pornography cause Focus on the Family complained about it that it was immoral.

Really? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll have lots of fun seeing that one unfold.

Did you know dildos are illegal in texas?
They are? More proof of how evil these people are.

The weird thing is...They've made arrests. Dildo-smugglers and dildo-peddlers :shock:

screw that. I think I'll help smuggle dildos into Texas. Simply becuase I don't like laws based solely on Bible morality.

screw that. I think I'll help smuggle dildos into Texas. Simply becuase I don't like laws based solely on Bible morality.

You'd be running the risk of a year in jail...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/12/16/MNGEA3O52I1.DTL&type=printable

Whoa. In America, sex toy salespeople are targeted by drugs cops? :shock:

Sex is not considered evil in America... perhaps we have higher standards of sexual behavior than Europe, but not by much, and those are too low as it is. All these games revolving around sex, treating sexuality like a game, a toy, is unhealthy. As I said, in America/Europe, too much sex, not enough religion, in the Middle East, too much religion, not enough sex.

This is what gives us people who do these depraved things, a society that looks at sexuality as a game.

No religion at all would be better. That way, there would no longer be people with repressed sexual urges going overboard with such actions. Religion attempts to dirty sex and limit the knowledge of it...if people were exposed to the idea of sex and allowed to discuss it freely we would all be better off.

Sex is only what it is; the act of inserting one body part into another for procreation or pleasure. Don't confuse sex with the emotions of love. You can have sex with just about anyone, but you can only feel love for certain people. Love is an emotion, not sex. If people understood this and had a working knowledge of 'safe sex', many things would be better off.

You don't get it... The things that cause this sort of thing is a lack of repression. With no standards, people do awful things. We're very dirty creatures, humans.

Actually, two of Rumsfeld's biggest critics in the press recently are Col. David Hackworth who writes a cyndicated column and runs a website and the Army Times. Neither of them is what you would call liberal, unless your political bent is somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.

For your information, Chinggis Khan held many views that are anathema to today's "neoconservative" right wing... such as a strong separation for church and state (or in any way favoring one religion over another), allowing women to serve in combat positions of the army [rare, in Chinggis's time, that many women would reach the standards of the army, but allowed], respect for scholars, and a number of other carefully recorded views.

You don't get it... The things that cause this sort of thing is a lack of repression. With no standards, people do awful things. We're very dirty creatures, humans.

From what I've heard, sexual perversion, such as the nonconcensual BDSM mentioned in this thread, is often caused by sexual repression and anti-sex attitudes.

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BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers? :roll:
Transl: "I don't even give a damn about American public opinion anymore."

Hell..public opinion changes with the wind..most Americans are sheep who twist one way or the other politically with no more thought to it then going to bed every nite....more likely he doesn't give a damn what reporters with political agendas say anymore.

Just out of curioousity...

Who voted for option #3 on the poll?

You don't get it... The things that cause this sort of thing is a lack of repression. With no standards, people do awful things. We're very dirty creatures, humans.

psh. do you have any idea how repressed they were in the middle ages. and look at what they did. they came up with the most intricate torture methods...
sexual repression is a bad thing.

There's a difference between repression and oppression you know. Oppression would be the complete denial of sexuality, repression would be inducing proper shame in people about being deviants.

Just out of curioousity...

Who voted for option #3 on the poll?

* raises hand *

No, this porn is too low-quality, really, so consider it a protest vote against options #1 and #2.

Just out of curioousity...

Who voted for option #3 on the poll?

* raises hand *

No, this porn is too low-quality, really, so consider it a protest vote against options #1 and #2.

what? do you mean you've seen it?

Uhm... There isn't really much I can say about that... I think "What the f--- is wrong?" kind of sums it up.


BTW: Anyone see Rumsfelds statement in Iraq where he said "I don't read the newspapers anymore" and got applause from all those soldiers?
:roll:
That's because the media lies about the military. They can't be trusted to report the truth. All of their stories are politically biased.

Come on now, you can do better than that... You could even claim Rumsfeld was dyslexic and believes that newspaper discriminate against his kind, and it still wouldn't be as lame.
No. Cause the media has always given him favorable coverage.
What I am saying, the reason we in the military don't like the media, is that the media always biases their reporting depending on which political party they want to gain sympathy for. Hence, democratic reporters are using the event to make a Republican White House look bad and republican reporters are using it to make democratic lawmakers look bad.
That is for a fact how the US media operates.

True. But you have to remember, the two biggest networks in the country are on the Republican's side, for the most part.

CNN is purely pro-government, so they are lapdogs for whatever administration is in the White House. When they were Clinton's "posse," it was major factor in fueling the liberal media myth. Then you've got FOX, a network that is psuedo fascist at times, and always right winged.

On the left you've got The New York Times, and Air America Radio which is quickly becoming a strong political voice for the left. Whichever side has the biggest slant usually depends on CNN and the current Administration that they favors' side.

As for your military/media comments: There are plenty of pro and anti-military comments coming from either side. Al Franken, a very strong liberal, even said that he supports the military whole heartedly and hopes the campaign does well, but he wants to see these offenders punished; Like any rational person does. Trust me when i say though: The Bias is very close to balanced in America, it all depends what Administration is in the White House, and where you primarily get your news from.