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Circumcision, routine infant, for or against?

Edit; Vote yes if; you had a kid and would have him circ'ed but don't care what others do. Vote no if; you had a kid and would not have him circed but don't care what others do. Vote undecided if you don't know what you would do with a kid. The other options are self explanatory.

For it.

Just to throw out....

A buddy had his done at 25 :shock:

He will tell you the argument of lost pleasure is highly over rated.

He said his wife had a huge drop in "female problems" as a result.

He also said spontaneous sex was easier.....

Isn't circumcision (male, at least) supposed to be healthier?

Myth. I think its a barbaric ritual.

Well you don't need to worry about accumulated crap under there. And, to put it bluntly, your "wang" doesn't look like its about to hold up a liquor store. But I think its the parents decision whether or not to get it.

In order to appear completly impartial I will attempt to keep myself out of this poll for as long as I can. However I do have extensive knowledge and a quirky interest in the subject, so I'm not sure how long I will be able to maintain my impartiality.

I second "barbaric ritual."

It's healthy in the way cutting off your toe to prevent ingrown toenails is healthy.

Its something that cannot be un-done. The kid (who actually eventually OWNS the body part) has NO say in it.

It's slightly healthier, and that's the only difference. The rest of us just have to spend an extra second cleaning.

Its like removing your finger nails so you don't have to clean under them. :shock:

My vote would have to be whatever the parents want is fine.

I don't buy that

My vote would have to be whatever the parents want is fine.

Well the vote is technically how you feel. If you think it's OK for your kid but others should make up their own mind, then pick yes. If you don't think it is OK for your kid but others can pick as they will, then pick no.

Myth. I think its a barbaric ritual.

What's your take on piercings and tattoos?

And for that matter, what determines barbarism? Since circumcision is common practice by a large portion of the worlds "civilized" people, wouldn't it be civilized and not doing it be barbaric?

well, if you're a male interested in working for the porn industry, then chances are you're going to need it done.
i know that's a small population, but hey-tell kids, let them decide if they want to be porn stars or not. and circumsize when appropriate.

well, if you're a male interested in working for the porn industry, then chances are you're going to need it done.
i know that's a small population, but hey-tell kids, let them decide if they want to be porn stars or not. and circumsize when appropriate.

That's actually not fully accurate. There has recently been quite a fetish for the uncut porn stars.

Oh and I f'ed up the poll cause I thought when I edited my first message I deleted the entire poll so just ignore the additions, kay thanks!

it doesnt really matter. circed or not, i dont know what the big deal is? its been proved not to be healthier, and im pretty sure you dont really lose much sexual pleasure with being cut.

its all nonsense, if you want your kid cut, cut im. if u dont, dont. cut yourself if u really want it. get it reattached if u want it back.

well, if you're a male interested in working for the porn industry, then chances are you're going to need it done.
i know that's a small population, but hey-tell kids, let them decide if they want to be porn stars or not. and circumsize when appropriate.

That's actually not fully accurate. There has recently been quite a fetish for the uncut porn stars.

true, but more often than not, they want the circumsized ones.

Myth. I think its a barbaric ritual.

What's your take on piercings and tattoos?

And for that matter, what determines barbarism? Since circumcision is common practice by a large portion of the worlds "civilized" people, wouldn't it be civilized and not doing it be barbaric?

Not addressed to me, but I'll answer, since I gave the same answer.

Piercings and tattoos are "self-inflicted," or at the very least consensual.

Barbarism has little to do with the number and status of people practicing it and more to do with e.g. the needless cruelty of the act. The obvious example is slavery.

That's actually not fully accurate. There has recently been quite a fetish for the uncut porn stars.

true, but more often than not, they want the circumsized ones.

You might also forget that this is a international forum, and that rates outside the US are incredibly differant. In the mid east it is near 100%, in Europe (excluding Britain) the rates are around 2-5%. That said those countries would tend to produce porn using uncut actors.

That's actually not fully accurate. There has recently been quite a fetish for the uncut porn stars.

true, but more often than not, they want the circumsized ones.

You might also forget that this is a international forum, and that rates outside the US are incredibly differant. In the mid east it is near 100%, in Europe (excluding Britain) the rates are around 2-5%. That said those countries would tend to produce porn using uncut actors.

ah, true. i wouldn't know much about foreign porn.

one word.
:shock: ow

two words.

fuckedupcircumcision wouldreallysuck.

Barbarism has little to do with the number and status of people practicing it and more to do with e.g. the needless cruelty of the act.

Whether or not something is "needless" or "cruel" is a matter of opinion, which will vary from person to person and culture to culture. So, the people who oppose circumcision can force their opinions on children who cannot speak for themselves just as much as those who advocate circumcision. Those who would back up their opposition or support with the force of law (EDIT: or even any kind of activism) can hardly claim to be innocent of forcing their views on people of different opinions and culture.


It's healthy in the way cutting off your toe to prevent ingrown toenails is healthy


The analogy is flawed considering that, in the case of circumcision, only the "toenail" is removed, not the entire appendage.

4 in support, 10 against. Of those ten 4 would ban it.

3 undecideds.

Interesting results. I'm bumping to see if I can increase the numbers.

Barbarism has little to do with the number and status of people practicing it and more to do with e.g. the needless cruelty of the act.

Whether or not something is "needless" or "cruel" is a matter of opinion, which will vary from person to person and culture to culture. So, the people who oppose circumcision can force their opinions on children who cannot speak for themselves just as much as those who advocate circumcision. Those who would back up their opposition or support with the force of law (EDIT: or even any kind of activism) can hardly claim to be innocent of forcing their views on people of different opinions and culture.

Uh, whether or not "needless" and "cruel" are a matter of opinion is a matter of opinion, which will vary from person to person and culture to culture. If you're going to invoke moral relativism right off the bat, there's no point even discussing the subject, yer?


It's healthy in the way cutting off your toe to prevent ingrown toenails is healthy


The analogy is flawed considering that, in the case of circumcision, only the "toenail" is removed, not the entire appendage.

Not that it matters, since I could just as easily say toe/toenail is like penis/foreskin (except one actually grows back), but the toe is also part of the whole appendage I like to call the "foot."

What makes it "barbaric" is the fact that this operation is performed without the consent of the person being operated on. I doubt that anyone here has ever given a child a tattoo or piercing, specifically without their consent. Circumcision is a practice of bodily mutilation performed without consent, with minimal medical benefits (except for people who actually develop conditions which require them), and with a number of potential complications and side effects (such as the loss of sexual pleasure or the potential for infection).

Well you don't need to worry about accumulated crap under there. And, to put it bluntly, your "wang" doesn't look like its about to hold up a liquor store. But I think its the parents decision whether or not to get it.

instead it looks like it's about to spraypaint a swastika on a temple... :P

well well, we got our first mandatory. Damn.