NationStates Jolt Archive

For those who don't know, the Liberal party of Canada, spent over $200,000, 000; on advertising groups, to help Québec (province of Canada) get in the nationalist mood, and, well they found out, and people are furious. Some think it'll cost them the election, what do you think, or need more info???Just ask.

is that two hundered thousand or two hundered milion?

Million

Well do you mean two million or two hundrred million?

Hundred million

I find that hard to believe.

It's not, they sneaked money slowly through the course of 10 years, but 200 million, man, that is a lot.

For those who don't know, the Liberal party of Canada, spent over $200,000, 000; on advertising groups, to help Québec (province of Canada) get in the nationalist mood, and, well they found out, and people are furious. Some think it'll cost them the election, what do you think, or need more info???Just ask.
I for one want Quebec to stay in Canada, and if $200 Million helps great!!
How much money is lost on the stock market when separation rears its' ugly head? WAY more than $200 Mil. And to boot, talk of separation causes the dollar to nosedive as well.

Smart move by the Liberals!! They have my vote.

at least your putting your input, I am anti-Liberal. RIGHT WING ALL THE WAY!!!

Your french canadian Right? I can tel because you no use good grammar

What the f***, that is racism, you are right, but I don't like to be told, that because I don't use good grammar, I am French Canadian, hello, this is the 21st century, grow up dinosaur.

Your french canadian Right? I can tel because you no use good grammar

...said the pot of the kettle. Lay off him, his English is actually better than that of a lot of native English speakers on these boards.

In any case, your message should have read:

"You're French Canadian, right? I can tell because you don't use good grammar." Now, you know what's different about this one? PROPER SPELLING, CAPITALIZATION AND THAT GOOD GRAMMAR YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT! :evil:

*breaks out the clue hammer for some smiting*

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It was a joke foo'. Its always so embarrasing when someone takes a joke seriously...

at least your putting your input, I am anti-Liberal. RIGHT WING ALL THE WAY!!!
So you would vote for the Socially disCredited Alliance of Reformed Conservatives?

Ou peut etre les Bloc Quebecquois?

Quel dommage!! What a pity!!

Nouvelle Normande, you are exactly right. The Liberals are trying to desperatly get more of the Bloc vote and it may or may not work. They have destroyed themselves in Western Canada, where their top two ministers could be in danger of losing their seats. I'm a Conservative supporter myself and there is actually a worse party you could vote for: the NDP. They are terrible economically and I won't even go into the military or international relations. By the way to New Astrolia, making anti-French comments isn't a funny joke. It's ignorance of what is different. And believe me, this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of Quebec but I still respect the people, even if I disagree with the seperatist views.

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I like the french. I also like taunting Uptight Individuals such as yourself. Which is ironic because the french are stereotypically uptight.

Nouvelle Normande, you are exactly right. The Liberals are trying to desperatly get more of the Bloc vote and it may or may not work. They have destroyed themselves in Western Canada, where their top two ministers could be in danger of losing their seats. I'm a Conservative supporter myself and there is actually a worse party you could vote for: the NDP. They are terrible economically and I won't even go into the military or international relations. By the way to New Astrolia, making anti-French comments isn't a funny joke. It's ignorance of what is different. And believe me, this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of Quebec but I still respect the people, even if I disagree with the seperatist views.
Even Joe Clark doesn't like the NEW Conservatives. Oh my.

The bottom line is that if a federal party wants political influence in Quebec, it must buy that influence. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

And if the Tories were in power they'd have done the very same thing. To hear them say otherwise makes me wanna puke.

I'm with the starter of this thread. Thank god conservatives exist up north but it seems few. canada is now well a very liberal country of course its pretty bad here in the states to spending is out of control everywhere really canada I believe having it worse than the states but when your taking 46% of the citizens income.. :shock: :x

I recently read some IRs documents however that state we americans have a choice whether to pay our income tax, its voluntary sadly few realize this.

Whichever party in canada is pro freedom and very conservative on financial issues is the one I support. Whats the problem with the new conservative party? Are they like the neo cons here in the states? with theire interventionist policy and liberal economic stances?

Your french canadian Right? I can tel because you no use good grammar

...said the pot of the kettle. Lay off him, his English is actually better than that of a lot of native English speakers on these boards.

In any case, your message should have read:

"You're French Canadian, right? I can tell because you don't use good grammar." Now, you know what's different about this one? PROPER SPELLING, CAPITALIZATION AND THAT GOOD GRAMMAR YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT! :evil:

*breaks out the clue hammer for some smiting*

Its aboot, not about. For canadians.

eh?

$200,000,000? CDN? Well that's not all that much. It's like $1.99 US. Chicken feed.

Well, too bad for the nutty french facist, but I *SERIOUSLY* doubt that Canada will have anything but a liberal governement for the next, oh, few decades or so.

Nouvelle Normande, you are exactly right. The Liberals are trying to desperatly get more of the Bloc vote and it may or may not work. They have destroyed themselves in Western Canada, where their top two ministers could be in danger of losing their seats. I'm a Conservative supporter myself and there is actually a worse party you could vote for: the NDP. They are terrible economically and I won't even go into the military or international relations. By the way to New Astrolia, making anti-French comments isn't a funny joke. It's ignorance of what is different. And believe me, this is coming from someone who isn't the biggest fan of Quebec but I still respect the people, even if I disagree with the seperatist views.

Personally, I like your thinking, you share many of my views, except I support seperatism.

I'm with the starter of this thread. Thank god conservatives exist up north but it seems few. canada is now well a very liberal country of course its pretty bad here in the states to spending is out of control everywhere really canada I believe having it worse than the states but when your taking 46% of the citizens income.. :shock: :x

I recently read some IRs documents however that state we americans have a choice whether to pay our income tax, its voluntary sadly few realize this.

Whichever party in canada is pro freedom and very conservative on financial issues is the one I support. Whats the problem with the new conservative party? Are they like the neo cons here in the states? with theire interventionist policy and liberal economic stances?
Well the thing is the Conservative Party is gaining power, and well they're about the equivalent as the Republicans.

Is it fun to congratulate people for sharing your views?

I guess Canuck Heaven doesn't mind if the Liberals waste his money or not because if he countinues to vote for them, they'll continue to waste his and my tax dollars. The Conservatives aren't perfect by any means but well, we'll see. Also, Joe Clark was a Liberal in Torry Blue, his insults simply may bother the more red torries, not the true blue ones.

It's not, they sneaked money slowly through the course of 10 years, but 200 million, man, that is a lot.

The United States is spending 87 billion dollars on the war on terror.

The securities markets in the U.S. lost over two trillion dollars as those markets responded to the attacks on September 11, 2001.

1 billion = 1000 million. 1 trillion = 1000 billion or a million million.

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Then there's this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/sheets/fct_2.xls

This is a link to the federal budget with line by line expenditures. I wanted you all to see it in case you've never bothered to check. In particular i want you to check out the following budgetary expenses identified by line numbers:

Figures are in millions of dollars so that 1,000 represents one billion.

256-261 ($22 billion) - Those poor farmers. When you buy your produce at your grocer you are really paying more than the market price because a binding price floor has been set above the true market price. If the agriculture industry were not subsidized, foreign growers would be able to compete with their cheaper crops and force the market prices lower. Of course this would push many domestic growers to find a different use for their land. Not to worry though, the American tax payers will continue to fund the programs that allow the federal government to step in and purchase all of the surplus produce on the market.

429-515 ($70 billion) - Everything in the education, higher education, and other training, in my opinion, should be funded at the state level. Wait a minute...hey wait, isn't this already being funded with property taxes and other taxes at county and state levels? I'm all for education but I believe the more local the government is in handling the money decisions, the more likely they will be responsible for they spending.

516-569 ($196 billion) - Any politician that exclaims, "We need a [insert words like universal, national, and socialized here] health system..." has obviously overlooked the fact that the very system they are touting is currently in place. Check it out for yourself these figures do not include Medicare which is a guaranteed issue health benefit entitlement for those persons that qualify at age 65.

596-690 ($312 billion) - Now admittedly there are some necessary expenses in this group but I'm sure that if you looked hard enough you'd see some disturbing things. These expenses do not include Social Security benefit payments which can be applied for as early as age 62 proving that you have 10 years (doesn't have to be consecutive) of qualifying payroll tax contributions to the system.

better to keep quebec, i think.
not only that, but the alliance under any other name is still the alliance to me and i wouldn't vote for them if they were the last party in the race.

Well the thing is the Conservative Party is gaining power, and well they're about the equivalent as the Republicans.

Ugly they may be, but Canada's Conservative Party is still no where near as far-right as the U.S. Republicans. Not yet anyway. If they were, almost nobody outside of Alberta would vote for them - and the party knows that very well.

[quote=Josh Dollins]I'm with the starter of this thread. Thank god conservatives exist up north but it seems few. canada is now well a very liberal country of course its pretty bad here in the states to spending is out of control everywhere really canada I believe having it worse than the states but when your taking 46% of the citizens income.. :shock: :x

I recently read some IRs documents however that state we americans have a choice whether to pay our income tax, its voluntary sadly few realize this..

As a sidenote, be very cautious about using documents. I'm involved in the tax field (Canada, not US), so do some US reading just to keep a grasp of the big picture. Every court case I've read has tossed out these arguments bigtime. Generally, the courts don't bother explaining since (to them) they are ridiculous, but a few do. The ones that have cut these down - see this link www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf for the IRSs explanation of most common arguments. It is long and has piles of citations - while these will be the most favourable, take the time to plow through these court cases before buying any of the internet arguments.

The overall tax burden has dropped alot up here - still much higher than in the States. Also, many of the goodies the US citizen expects as a matter of course simply don't exist - mortgage deductions, donating underwear to a charity and getting a tax donation (Bill Clinton).

Personally, Canada needs a change in government. Having an one party state is not healthy. Even a Liberal minority would be useful just to cool their arrogance and egos (although they'd probably ally with the NDP :shock: - not good). Also, the Conservatives are not = US Republicans. The entire US government is much more right-wing to the point that many (not all) the Canadian conservatives are well to the left of the Republicans. Also, we are not a superpower, so some realpolitik exists - no one can simply ignore foreign affairs ala US.

Generally, the government is fiscally conservative (with some notable exceptions) - they simply lie in the budgets - they lowball revenue and high-ball expenses so they can say - no sorry, no money to spend (for the freespending Liberals), or for tax cuts. Canada learned the hard way that deficits are bad - we were probably 5 years (max) from being a complete basket case. Unfortunately, it looks like the US might be relearning this lesson the hard way.

i dunno, i've been reading about that harper guy and while he's trying to come off as a middle of the road conservative... so did bush...
i really don't trust him at all.

plus, i don't really get why this spending scandal is a scandal. it's not like they took the money and used it to go on vacation or buy themselves mansions. they used it to maintain a healthy relationship with a provice that was considering separpation.

[ Even a Liberal minority would be useful just to cool their arrogance and egos (although they'd probably ally with the NDP :shock: - not good).

Au contraire - the last time this happened resulted in some of the best governance & legislation we've ever had. I *so* look forward to this happening!

I'm hoping that this sponsorship scandal will translate into a Liberal minority with the NDP as balance of power. Jack Layton is the next Ed Broadbent, if not the next Tommy Douglas. :D