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a request for Dubya

Daistallia 2104
12-05-2004, 04:12
Please keep Rummy and Paul on until the election. Oh and try to keep that Cheney guy who says that Rummy
"is the best secretary of defense the United States has ever had" (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/09/iraq.abuse.main.int/).

If you can do that, we can kick your sorry embarassing heiney out of office next January. (And maybe Kerry will turn your war criminal cabinet over to the ICC, so we can get back some of the credibility you flushed down the toilet in your assinine prosecution of the Afghan and Iraq wars.)
Colodia
12-05-2004, 04:16
assinine prosecution in Afghan???????????????????/ I understand Iraq....but AFGHAN?
12-05-2004, 04:19
Amen to that! Hope that son of a Bush gets a royal eviction from the White House come November. Go Kerry!

F.U.G.W.B!!!!! F.U.D.R!!!!!!
Free Soviets
12-05-2004, 04:21
assinine prosecution in Afghan???????????????????/ I understand Iraq....but AFGHAN?

have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.
Colodia
12-05-2004, 04:22
assinine prosecution in Afghan???????????????????/ I understand Iraq....but AFGHAN?

have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

Keyword: Dropped. Out. Of. The. News.

Tell me...
Cuneo Island
12-05-2004, 04:25
My request is he leave office.
Lovebug
12-05-2004, 04:27
Please keep Rummy and Paul on until the election. Oh and try to keep that Cheney guy who says that Rummy
"is the best secretary of defense the United States has ever had" (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/09/iraq.abuse.main.int/).

If you can do that, we can kick your sorry embarassing heiney out of office next January. (And maybe Kerry will turn your war criminal cabinet over to the ICC, so we can get back some of the credibility you flushed down the toilet in your assinine prosecution of the Afghan and Iraq wars.)



I can't believe anyone with a brain would vote for Kerry - he has no plan...he changes his mind every 5 seconds for GODS sake...and speaking of which even the Pope, a man of GOD wants him out of the CHURCH...what does that tell you about his moral fiber. I personally would rather have a president with scruples, who stands behind his decisions, and actions, and actually has a plan for this country. Thats what I look for in a president...now if you want a guy who is a hypocrite, who has no idea what to do with this country, because he can't make up his mind, and you have no brain yourself then ok I would expect you to vote for Kerry.
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 04:32
assinine prosecution in Afghan???????????????????/ I understand Iraq....but AFGHAN?

have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

Keyword: Dropped. Out. Of. The. News.

Tell me...Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "dropped out of the US news."

Here's the lowdown. The Taliban is regrouping and controls a goodly bit of territory. The majority of the other warlords are consolidating their power. The coalition that supports Hamid Karzai controls the city of Kabul and little else. In short, because the US has been obsessed with Iraq, Afghanistan has largely reverted to the way it was on 9-11-2001. I'm sure the President's diversion of funds from the Afghan action to prepare for an Iraq war that had not been discussed by, much less approved by Congress, didn't help matters any.
12-05-2004, 04:32
Lovebug, the same thing is happening with Bush and the GOP's, think before you speak next time. It's Cheney and Rummy who are really running this country.
The Black Forrest
12-05-2004, 04:35
I can't believe anyone with a brain would vote for Kerry - he has no plan...he changes his mind every 5 seconds for GODS sake...and speaking of which even the Pope, a man of GOD wants him out of the CHURCH...what does that tell you about his moral fiber. I personally would rather have a president with scruples, who stands behind his decisions, and actions, and actually has a plan for this country. Thats what I look for in a president...now if you want a guy who is a hypocrite, who has no idea what to do with this country, because he can't make up his mind, and you have no brain yourself then ok I would expect you to vote for Kerry.

Where there you go! Let's just keep the shrub!

The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.

You mention hypocracy?

The Vatican needs to clean up it's practice of pedophillia before they can start talking about morality.
One of Jupiters Moons
12-05-2004, 04:36
My request is he leave office.amen to love bug. and to cuneo island, i want to make a request that all you anti bush people go and take some sort of class on common sense. i suppose you think that if gore had been president, that we wouldnt be in iraq? HAHAHA dont make me laugh, we would still be there.... you think that if bush leaves office that all of the problems are going to go away?? HAHAHA he isnt the cause of the problems. its people like you that make opinions against people things or ideas without relevant reason that cause the united states' problems. i dont really even like george bush... he handles some things well, and he handles some things poorly... overall, he has gotten his job done adaquetly. if you think that john kerry or any indy canidate is the solution to our problems, then, maybe we really do need to start teaching you all common sense
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 04:37
I can't believe anyone with a brain would vote for Kerry - he has no plan...he changes his mind every 5 seconds for GODS sake...and speaking of which even the Pope, a man of GOD wants him out of the CHURCH...what does that tell you about his moral fiber. I personally would rather have a president with scruples, who stands behind his decisions, and actions, and actually has a plan for this country. Thats what I look for in a president...now if you want a guy who is a hypocrite, who has no idea what to do with this country, because he can't make up his mind, and you have no brain yourself then ok I would expect you to vote for Kerry.Allow me to correct a few of the fallacies you're spouting here.

1. Kerry has a plan, and he doesn't change his mind every 5 seconds. But unlike our Fearless Leader King George the Lesser, he doesn't express his opinions in "yes/no" dichotomies. Sorry if your brain can't handle anything more complex than that.

2. The Pope has never made a single statement as regards John Kerry. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. There are a few hypocritical church leaders in the US who are making political hay out of this matter and who want to deny Kerry communion because of his pro-choice stance. And before you ask, they're hypocritical for two reasons--they're not going after any pro-choice Republicans (like Pataki, Ridge, Giuliani or Schwarzenegger) and they're not making a stink over capital punishment, which the Church holds equally important and which Kerry opposes.

3. If you think Bush has scruples, then I really wonder who you would consider dishonest.
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 04:40
The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.Let's make sure we're accurate here--the US Catholic Church wants any Democratic presidential candidate who doesn't take a stand against abortion out of the church. Pro-choice Republican politicians are apparently welcome.
The Black Forrest
12-05-2004, 04:43
My request is he leave office.amen to love bug. and to cuneo island, i want to make a request that all you anti bush people go and take some sort of class on common sense. i suppose you think that if gore had been president, that we wouldnt be in iraq? HAHAHA dont make me laugh, we would still be there....


-buzzer sound-

Ok do explain how.


you think that if bush leaves office that all of the problems are going to go away?? HAHAHA he isnt the cause of the problems.

Well lets see. Alienated old friends. Increasing hatred? Sounds like him leaving would be a step in the right direction.


its people like you that make opinions against people things or ideas without relevant reason that cause the united states' problems.


And what was the relevent reason for Iraq?

"He tried to kill my daddy!"


i dont really even like george bush... he handles some things well, and he handles some things poorly... overall, he has gotten his job done adaquetly.


Surreee you don't!


if you think that john kerry or any indy canidate is the solution to our problems, then, maybe we really do need to start teaching you all common sense

Spoken like a good drone!

-turns on the TV-

Look teletubbies!
The Black Forrest
12-05-2004, 04:46
The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.Let's make sure we're accurate here--the US Catholic Church wants any Democratic presidential candidate who doesn't take a stand against abortion out of the church. Pro-choice Republican politicians are apparently welcome.

Well that was not said exactly right. I doubt they will try to excomunicate anybody.

They have been telling them to stop taking communion.

Which if you are heavily Catholic is pretty bad.
Daistallia 2104
12-05-2004, 04:49
assinine prosecution in Afghan???????????????????/ I understand Iraq....but AFGHAN?

Getting distracted from the goal of destroying Al Qaeda and the Taliban in to nation building.

Syphoning off forces and funds intended the Afghan war to the Iraq war.

Allowing a resurgance of the Taliban.

Drastically underestimating the amounts of aid and forces needed to finish the job.

Allowing, if not encouraging, war crimes.
One of Jupiters Moons
12-05-2004, 05:10
-- the black forrest:

ok one, im not a drone, and i dont watch television, apart from movies if you count that. two, i can honestly say that i am not a republican and if i felt there was a better canadate i could vote for, i would. three, a relevant reason for iraq... where should we start? saddam funds terrorism directly and indirectly. saddam kills his own people. saddam, though weapons were not found, did not let in inspectors at the moment they requested to come in, a sign that he did have something to hide. he hurt my daddy.... hey if someone hurt my daddy, i'd try to get em back... if i had a good reason, which i feel we did.
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 05:25
The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.Let's make sure we're accurate here--the US Catholic Church wants any Democratic presidential candidate who doesn't take a stand against abortion out of the church. Pro-choice Republican politicians are apparently welcome.

Well that was not said exactly right. I doubt they will try to excomunicate anybody.

They have been telling them to stop taking communion.

Which if you are heavily Catholic is pretty bad.You miss my point--the only politician being attacked over this right now is John Kerry. George Pataki, Republican governor of New York, is pro-choice and no one is pressuring his local diocese to deny him communion. Tom Ridge, head of the Dept of Homeland Security--same story. Same for Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And that's just the ones off the top of my head.

And don't even get me started on the Catholic politicians/death penalty issue. What I'm saying is that there's a double standard here--Kerry's being attacked, and to say it's simply because he's a pro-choice Catholic is a load of crap. It's because he's a Democrat and the people in the church--not the church as a whole, mind you--who don't like him want a Republican in office. It's partisan politics under the cover of religious belief. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.
Mentholyptus
12-05-2004, 05:27
a relevant reason for iraq... where should we start? saddam funds terrorism directly and indirectly.

Excuse me? The terrorists who we are primarily concerned with (they call themselves al-Qaida, in case you've forgotten in the midst of the Iraq war. their leader is Osama, who may as well be Osama bin Forgotten as far as the Bushies are concerned) absolutely despised Saddam's regime. Saddam had a secular government. That pissed off al-Qaida to no end. Admittedly, Saddam was a horrible dictator, but don't say he was buddy-buddy with terrorists. That's the primary lie that convinced America to support the war. Here's an article: Look! An Article! (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0211-11.htm). Don't bitch and whine about the bias in it, I know it's a left-slanted new source. It's still got some factual information.


ok, I'm done.
Zeppistan
12-05-2004, 05:48
-- the black forrest:

ok one, im not a drone, and i dont watch television, apart from movies if you count that. two, i can honestly say that i am not a republican and if i felt there was a better canadate i could vote for, i would. three, a relevant reason for iraq... where should we start? saddam funds terrorism directly and indirectly. saddam kills his own people. saddam, though weapons were not found, did not let in inspectors at the moment they requested to come in, a sign that he did have something to hide. he hurt my daddy.... hey if someone hurt my daddy, i'd try to get em back... if i had a good reason, which i feel we did.

The US funded terrorism when it suited their wants. The US kills their own people. Saddam DID let inspectors in - the inspectors begged to be allowed to finish their job- GW insisted they be pulled out so he could go to war.

Perhaps you could argue more effectively if you DID watch the news once in a while.

Then you might know what you were talking about.

-Z-
The Atheists Reality
12-05-2004, 05:50
-- the black forrest:

ok one, im not a drone, and i dont watch television, apart from movies if you count that. two, i can honestly say that i am not a republican and if i felt there was a better canadate i could vote for, i would. three, a relevant reason for iraq... where should we start? saddam funds terrorism directly and indirectly. saddam kills his own people. saddam, though weapons were not found, did not let in inspectors at the moment they requested to come in, a sign that he did have something to hide. he hurt my daddy.... hey if someone hurt my daddy, i'd try to get em back... if i had a good reason, which i feel we did.

The US funded terrorism when it suited their wants. The US kills their own people. Saddam DID let inspectors in - the inspectors begged to be allowed to finish their job- GW insisted they be pulled out so he could go to war.

Perhaps you could argue more effectively if you DID watch the news once in a while.

Then you might know what you were talking about.

-Z-
saddam had an unbelievable amount of time to get rid of any weapons, from the moment he heard about the possibility of inspections!
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 05:53
saddam had an unbelievable amount of time to get rid of any weapons, from the moment he heard about the possibility of inspections!And the US was doing overflights and satellite photography at the time. Don't you think that we'd have seen him trying to get rid of it?
One of Jupiters Moons
12-05-2004, 05:53
indeed, and they could be somewhere in iraq (the size of 14 indianas, or 1.2 texases) with all the same terrain, rocky, deserty across the entiere thing.... just saying, you could hide something and keep it hidden
Daistallia 2104
12-05-2004, 06:35
Ignoring the justness the casus belli, for the moment, the prosecution of the Iraq war has been atrocious.

A sample of some of the mistakes made by Bush and his administration:

1) The Bush administration has managed to alienate the populations, and in most cases the governments, of all our major allies.
2) The war was begun prematurely, with no air lead up, and without adequate forces in place.
3) The war was begun without the important northern front and the 4th infantry division, due to a diplomatic misreading of Turkey. This further decreased the forces available.
4) There was a terrible misreading of both the reaction of the Iraq people and the war plan of Saddam.
5) The invasion plans drawn up by the pros were ignored.
6) Plans for the occupation were poor at best and non-existant at worst.
7) Allowing or encouraging war crimes.

There have been many, many, many other mistakes.

100 Mistakes for the President to Choose From (http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=6963&fcategory_desc=Bush%20Administration%20Lies%20and%20Deceit)
http://www.eurolegal.org/mideast/meiraqrecon.htm
Daistallia 2104
12-05-2004, 06:47
indeed, and they could be somewhere in iraq (the size of 14 indianas, or 1.2 texases) with all the same terrain, rocky, deserty across the entiere thing.... just saying, you could hide something and keep it hidden

So what? Even if all the intelligence proves correct and we find that Saddam had huge stocks of WMDs, the war has been prosecuted in a disastrous fashion.

Kerry may not be the best man for the job, but he would be hard pressed to screw up the international affairs of this nation any worse than Bush and company.
At least getting rid of Bush would bring some legitimacy back and help to begin removeing the stains on our honor.
Moozimoo
12-05-2004, 07:13
I can't believe anyone with a brain would vote for Kerry - he has no plan...he changes his mind every 5 seconds for GODS sake...and speaking of which even the Pope, a man of GOD wants him out of the CHURCH...what does that tell you about his moral fiber. I personally would rather have a president with scruples, who stands behind his decisions, and actions, and actually has a plan for this country. Thats what I look for in a president...now if you want a guy who is a hypocrite, who has no idea what to do with this country, because he can't make up his mind, and you have no brain yourself then ok I would expect you to vote for Kerry.[/quote]

Bush is soo much better than - he always does what he says he will, eh? :wink:
Akilliam
12-05-2004, 07:25
It's pages like this that make me glad I've got guns and know how to use them.
Brindisi Dorom
12-05-2004, 07:28
Maybe G.W. will be assassinated if he gets re-elected, if he doesn't get re-elected, Kerry will do a better job (You can't do a worse job than G.W.).

P.S. fuck the pope.
Sdaeriji
12-05-2004, 07:30
Maybe G.W. will be assassinated if he gets re-elected, if he doesn't get re-elected, Kerry will do a better job (You can't do a worse job than G.W.).

P.S. f--- the pope.

I don't know. I may not like Bush, but I can think of a few people who could do a worse job than him. Like all of us, for instance.
Daistallia 2104
12-05-2004, 19:13
I was watching Sen. McCain on Larry King earlier tonight. Damn, I am still so pissed at the GOP for choosing Bush over McCain!
Incertonia
12-05-2004, 19:22
I was watching Sen. McCain on Larry King earlier tonight. Damn, I am still so pissed at the GOP for choosing Bush over McCain!Be pissed at the bastards associated with the Bush campaign that did racist push-polling in South Carolina right before the primary there in 2000. That's what wound up killing McCain's campaign.
Furry Folk
12-05-2004, 19:52
I'd give my complete and uncensored opinion on how badly that idiot has FUBARD our foreign policy but the Mods, like Zepp's lovely lady have ruled such words 'unacceptable language' so I can't say my real opinion on Dubya and not get 'Furry Folk' turned into an 'Ex-Nation'.

Bush broke or just plane ignored the first two rules of foreign policy and international diplomacy, 1 - Make friends, not enemies. 2 - Don't piss off yor friends.
Ashmoria
12-05-2004, 20:07
saddam had an unbelievable amount of time to get rid of any weapons, from the moment he heard about the possibility of inspections!
i think we'll find the WMD right next to the pile of teeth the tooth fairy took from me while i was sleeping
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:16
have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

I'm sure it was better under the taliban
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:23
The coalition that supports Hamid Karzai controls the city of Kabul and little else. In short, because the US has been obsessed with Iraq, Afghanistan has largely reverted to the way it was on 9-11-2001. I'm sure the President's diversion of funds from the Afghan action to prepare for an Iraq war

that has a lot more to do with the pentagon's decision to persue this as a small war (which was pretty smart) than it ever did with congress
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:27
Lovebug, the same thing is happening with Bush and the GOP's, think before you speak next time. It's Cheney and Rummy who are really running this country.

just keep telling yourself that
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:29
The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.

why can't the vatican critasize him? he is sworn as a Catholic to uphold a human rights. if dosn't want to live up to that obligaiton he can quit. nobody is making him stay in the Catholic church.
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:32
2. The Pope has never made a single statement as regards John Kerry. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. There are a few hypocritical church leaders in the US who are making political hay out of this matter and who want to deny Kerry communion because of his pro-choice stance.

thats because the Pope, as the reprasentitive of God on earth has mildly bigger fish to fry. this task was delegated to one of the Pope's right hand men and he came to the decision which has been endorsed by the Pope and therefor the whole of the Church.
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:34
Let's make sure we're accurate here--the US Catholic Church wants any Democratic presidential candidate who doesn't take a stand against abortion out of the church. Pro-choice Republican politicians are apparently welcome.

ah, no, can you tell me when and where the Vatican said that? republican Catholics who have betraied the Church will sill suffer the same
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:37
Well lets see. Alienated old friends. Increasing hatred? Sounds like him leaving would be a step in the right direction.

God, how ever will we live without france's stead fast ever potent support?

And what was the relevent reason for Iraq?

"He tried to kill my daddy!"

or maybe it had something to do with the liberation of 25 million people?
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:42
Getting distracted from the goal of destroying Al Qaeda and the Taliban in to nation building.

belive it or not the pentagon can walk and chew gum at the same time

Syphoning off forces and funds intended the Afghan war to the Iraq war. what funds and forces, we never had more than 12,000 people in there to begin with

Allowing a resurgance of the Taliban.

did they re-take kubal and kill Karzi? I must not have noticed

Drastically underestimating the amounts of aid and forces needed to finish the job.

how?

Allowing, if not encouraging, war crimes.

how in all creation did he do that?
Schrandtopia
12-05-2004, 20:45
their leader is Osama, who may as well be Osama bin Forgotten as far as the Bushies are concerned) absolutely despised Saddam's regime. Saddam had a secular government. That pissed off al-Qaida to no end.

and FDR absolutly despised stalin, but a common enemy brought them together live husband and wife

just cause saddan and ossam didn't invite eachother to their parties as kids dosn't mean they didn't work together
The Black Forrest
13-05-2004, 02:22
The vatican wants him out because of his support of a woman's right to choose! The vatican has started making threats against any Catholic Politician who does not take a stance against abortion.

why can't the vatican critasize him? he is sworn as a Catholic to uphold a human rights. if dosn't want to live up to that obligaiton he can quit. nobody is making him stay in the Catholic church.

Because they are targeting a politician and not the followers as a whole. It is basically an attempt to dictate policy for this country.

-please lets not start the US bashing on policies-
The Black Forrest
13-05-2004, 02:51
Getting distracted from the goal of destroying Al Qaeda and the Taliban in to nation building.

belive it or not the pentagon can walk and chew gum at the same time


Really :shock:
They must of changed a few people since I was involved with them! :lol:


Syphoning off forces and funds intended the Afghan war to the Iraq war. what funds and forces, we never had more than 12,000 people in there to begin with


No his point as that funds that were promised to the country have been rerouted to Iraq.


Allowing a resurgance of the Taliban.

did they re-take kubal and kill Karzi? I must not have noticed


No they don't need to do that. Karzi rules Kabul and that is it. The Taliban has more or less recovered their strength and the war lords have pretty well secure now.

Karzi rules Kabul and that is it.

I have a Cousin in Afghanistan and it sends us updates when he can. It's pretty f'd up there now.

But that is to be expected. They don't have oil. :roll:


Allowing, if not encouraging, war crimes.

how in all creation did he do that?

Well that is an arguable point.

However, if there is no sacking of a person of significance, then he has blessed it.

Rogue soldiers were doing this.....
Free Soviets
13-05-2004, 03:00
have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

I'm sure it was better under the taliban

of course not. it's just largely the same as it was for much of the country.
MKULTRA
13-05-2004, 03:21
have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

I'm sure it was better under the taliban

of course not. it's just largely the same as it was for much of the country.

Bushs father installed the taliban in power just like he told Saddam it was ok for him to invade Kuwait--he set him up to be invaded himself cause the Bushs are owned by the house of saud
Daistallia 2104
13-05-2004, 04:30
Getting distracted from the goal of destroying Al Qaeda and the Taliban in to nation building.

belive it or not the pentagon can walk and chew gum at the same time

Hmmm... they do not seem to be doing a very good job of it in Afghanistan...

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=aqorbYtq7.0Y&refer=asia
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/afghan/2003/0424kabul.htm

Of course we all know the US is historically very good at nationbuilding. Why just look at Haiti.

Syphoning off forces and funds intended the Afghan war to the Iraq war.
what funds and forces, we never had more than 12,000 people in there to begin with[/quote]

How the $700 million from the post 9/11 emergency supplemental appropriations, which was intended, in part, for "anti-terrorism initiatives"? (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ038.107)

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=46962
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28976-2004Mar27.html

Allowing a resurgance of the Taliban.

did they re-take kubal and kill Karzi? I must not have noticed[/quote]

Just to make sure you understand the words I used:

Resurgence
1. A continuing after interruption; a renewal.
2. A restoration to use, acceptance, activity, or vigor; a revival.

Victory
1. Defeat of an enemy or opponent.
2. Success in a struggle against difficulties or an obstacle.
3. The state of having triumphed.[/quote]

More:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/taliban_9-02.html (http://dictionary.reference.com/)
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2003/12/05/afghan_reconstruction_hastened_amid_taliban_resurgence?mode=PF

Drastically underestimating the amounts of aid and forces needed to finish the job.

how?[/quote]

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/afghan/2004/0401politics.htm
the US and the international community are apparently trying to rebuild and secure Afghanistan on the cheap. Compared with operations in Bosnia, for example - with 18.6 peacekeepers for 1000 people and $US1390 in foreign aid a head over the first two years - Afghanistan is limping along. Over the same period, peacekeeepers and US troops combined in Afghanistan were less than 1 for 1000, and foreign aid totalled $US52 a head.

More on the failures in Afghanistan:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040412fa_fact


Allowing, if not encouraging, war crimes.

how in all creation did he do that?[/quote]

As the CinC he is responsible.
In particular:
1) Allowing the widespread abuses of POWs at Camp X-Ray and POW facilities in Afghanistan.
2) Denying POWs their rights under the 3rd Geneval Convention (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva03.htm)
The Black Forrest
13-05-2004, 04:38
have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

I'm sure it was better under the taliban

of course not. it's just largely the same as it was for much of the country.

Bushs father installed the taliban in power just like he told Saddam it was ok for him to invade Kuwait--he set him up to be invaded himself cause the Bushs are owned by the house of saud

You got proof for the Taliban? Two people from Afghanistand and Pakistan told me they are their own thing and grew to power because of the anarchy created by the Soviets.

The Afghan will tell you the Taliban may have been brutal but they did keep order in the country.
CanuckHeaven
13-05-2004, 04:45
My request is he leave office.amen to love bug. and to cuneo island, i want to make a request that all you anti bush people go and take some sort of class on common sense. i suppose you think that if gore had been president, that we wouldnt be in iraq? HAHAHA dont make me laugh, we would still be there.... you think that if bush leaves office that all of the problems are going to go away?? HAHAHA he isnt the cause of the problems. its people like you that make opinions against people things or ideas without relevant reason that cause the united states' problems. i dont really even like george bush... he handles some things well, and he handles some things poorly... overall, he has gotten his job done adaquetly. if you think that john kerry or any indy canidate is the solution to our problems, then, maybe we really do need to start teaching you all common sense
It appears that Common Sense? is running about 50/50 in the polls? So if you claim that you have common sense does that mean that the other 50% don't have common sense? Sounds like a nonsensical assumption to me?
Daistallia 2104
13-05-2004, 04:48
have you been paying attention to what's up in afghanistan since it dropped out of the news? it aint pretty.

I'm sure it was better under the taliban

of course not. it's just largely the same as it was for much of the country.

Bushs father installed the taliban in power just like he told Saddam it was ok for him to invade Kuwait--he set him up to be invaded himself cause the Bushs are owned by the house of saud

Cool! I didn't know BHWBush was still president in 1994, when the Taliban (http://www.unomaha.edu/afghanistan_atlas/talhist.html) was born or in 1996 when they were "installed"!
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Have we forgotten what happened only 8 years ago? No wonder the world is so screwed up!
Daistallia 2104
13-05-2004, 04:51
It appears that Common Sense? is running about 50/50 in the polls? So if you claim that you have common sense does that mean that the other 50% don't have common sense? Sounds like a nonsensical assumption to me?

And slipping fast: His approval rating has gone from 90% approval right after 9/11 to the mid 40s now.