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What was your reaction when, after Ted Kennedy requested "Rumsfield"'s resignation, Bush said that Rumsfeld was one of the best Secretaries of Defense ever and that he was doing a great job?

Also, what was your reaction to Bush's reaction to the most recent set of prisonert abuse photos? (His reaction was outright disgustion and shame, btw)

I wasn't told on what his reaction was to the photos

And I wasn't surprised about what Bush said about Rumsfeld...who wasn't?

It's called "standing your ground." Rumsfeld is a good SecDef who just happened to be on duty during the worst moments (9/11 and this "abuse picture crisis" that has been overplayed...after all, Jean Francois Kerry did admit to committing worse acts during Vietnam.)

Bush practically says "up yours" to Teddy Kennedy


From what I've heard, even Democrats find it hard not saying "Up Yours" to Ted Kennedy

Bush practically says "up yours" to Teddy Kennedy


From what I've heard, even Democrats find it hard not saying "Up Yours" to Ted KennedyBut Dems usually refer to drinks when they talk to Chappaquiddick Ted.

well, ted kennedy is my arch-nemissis

and I don't see the point in fireing Rumsfield this late in the game

so good work George

I wasn't told on what his reaction was to the photos

And I wasn't surprised about what Bush said about Rumsfeld...who wasn't?
Rumsfeld's a good secretary of defense. He's made a few mistakes, but who hasn't? This guy is bringing the military out of the Cold War, and into the 21st century. He also has some great ideas on increasing troop efficiency and availability.

btw, "Rumsfield" is not his name, it's "Rumsfeld"... ticks me off :)

Rumsfeld should be forced to resign. He admitted to having knowledge of these tortures and rapes, and what did he do? Not a god damn thing

Rumsfeld should be forced to resign. He admitted to having knowledge of these tortures and rapes, and what did he do? Not a god damn thing

knowledge after the fact, it's not like he let it go on or encouraged it

I wasn't told on what his reaction was to the photoshis reaction was to do nothing. Three months later, the photos started to show up on the news so he decided that his new reaction would be to apologize

Rumsfeld should be forced to resign. He admitted to having knowledge of these tortures and rapes, and what did he do? Not a god damn thingThe situation was being handled by the commander on the field. The investigation was initiated by the generals on the ground in Iraq almost as soon as the pictures were found (several months ago). What Rumsfeld and Myers did, as soon as they found out that the pictures were about to be released, was to ask the press for some more time while the investigations were completed. Sounds to me like that's a lot more than "not a ... damn thing."

I wasn't told on what his reaction was to the photoshis reaction was to do nothing. Three months later, the photos started to show up on the news so he decided that his new reaction would be to apologizeYOU! Read my reply above.

I wasn't told on what his reaction was to the photoshis reaction was to do nothing. Three months later, the photos started to show up on the news so he decided that his new reaction would be to apologizeuhhh... where have you been? How can you say we're doing nothing? We're taking legal action against those involved... what more do you want? Executions?!

What was your reaction when, after Ted Kennedy requested "Rumsfield"'s resignation, Bush said that Rumsfeld was one of the best Secretaries of Defense ever and that he was doing a great job?

Rumsfeld is very much overrated. His management of the occupation operations in Iraq and Afghanistan has been idiotic, and I still feel he doesn't belong anywhere in government after his role in aiding and abetting Saddam's massacre of the Kurds. Kennedy was being a blowhard, though. Rumsfeld should resign, but Ted Kennedy ruins any chance of that happening.

Also, what was your reaction to Bush's reaction to the most recent set of prisonert abuse photos? (His reaction was outright disgustion and shame, btw)

Ahem... It's reported that his reacion was disgust and shame. Does that mean that he was actually disgusted and shamed? Not likely.

Honestly, I doubt Bush has an ounce of compassion or remorse in his body after what he did to Carla Faye Tucker. People do not go from coldhearted to compassionate and caring that quickly.

btw, "Rumsfield" is not his name, it's "Rumsfeld"... ticks me off :)It ticks you off his name isn't Rumsfield? :P

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What was your reaction when, after Ted Kennedy requested "Rumsfield"'s resignation, Bush said that Rumsfeld was one of the best Secretaries of Defense ever and that he was doing a great job?

Rumsfeld is very much overrated. His management of the occupation operations in Iraq and Afghanistan has been idiotic, and I still feel he doesn't belong anywhere in government after his role in aiding and abetting Saddam's massacre of the Kurds. Kennedy was being a blowhard, though. Rumsfeld should resign, but Ted Kennedy ruins any chance of that happening.

Also, what was your reaction to Bush's reaction to the most recent set of prisonert abuse photos? (His reaction was outright disgustion and shame, btw)

Ahem... It's reported that his reacion was disgust and shame. Does that mean that he was actually disgusted and shamed? Not likely.

Honestly, I doubt Bush has an ounce of compassion or remorse in his body after what he did to Carla Faye Tucker. People do not go from coldhearted to compassionate and caring that quickly.LOL

wow, conspiracy theorist anyone?

Honestly, I doubt Bush has an ounce of compassion or remorse in his body after what he did to Carla Faye Tucker. People do not go from coldhearted to compassionate and caring that quickly.And yet, we have been fed the line about Bill Clinton feeling our pain, especially after what he did to Juanita Broderick (sp).

What was your reaction when, after Ted Kennedy requested "Rumsfield"'s resignation, Bush said that Rumsfeld was one of the best Secretaries of Defense ever and that he was doing a great job?

Also, what was your reaction to Bush's reaction to the most recent set of prisonert abuse photos? (His reaction was outright disgustion and shame, btw)


Bush hates gays, that is 1 in 8 people on earth. Bush hates non Christians, that is 2 in every 3 people on earth. Bush cares nothing for the environment... that is the earth. Bush doesn't care about our "heroes" or our real heroes [teachers] --- he cares about his cronies in Enron. Bush doesn't believe in affirmative action, or any team playing for that matter. He is against women's right to choose, even in situations of rape.
He believes in censorship, unless it is of something benificial to him.


Do you really think I give a $$$$ about this insignificant war?

He's taking away civil rights and all you can bitch about is this stupid war.
Get your heads out of your asses and think about what is really important.

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ok, you're all too self centered to think about the world, that's right, I forgot i live in america. ok.

1 in 5 people are non Christian. 1 in 10 people are gay. The environment is still being ravaged by the "Clean Air Act" and the refusal to give tax benifets to users of more fuel efficient cars. He still doesn't like "those black folk" nor does he wish them an equal opportunity for an education.

He is also a complete imbecile, scoring a mere 1200 on his SATs, and snorting his way through college.

I want him dead. Now. And I will paypal you 500$ if you kill him. I'd do it myself, but guns are bad. Oh wait, that's why no one has killed him yet. Only the nazis and republicans and democrats have guns.

Why can't people use an iota of common sense.

Moderator Edit: Please don't try to bypass the language filter, however upset a topic may make you.

uhhh... where have you been? How can you say we're doing nothing? We're taking legal action against those involved... what more do you want? Executions?!I'm talking about Bush's reaction in February when he learned about what was going on.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/07/abuse.timeline.ap/index.html

so, what was Bush thinking between late January-early February and May 3? That sure took him a while to decide that his opinion would be disgust and shame instead of no opinion

He's taking away civil rights and all you can bitch about is this stupid war.
Get your heads out of your asses and think about what is really important.
Your treatment of fellow forum users is rather harsh here. Please tone it down.

Tactical Grace
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uhhh... where have you been? How can you say we're doing nothing? We're taking legal action against those involved... what more do you want? Executions?!I'm talking about Bush's reaction in February when he learned about what was going on.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/07/abuse.timeline.ap/index.html

so, what was Bush thinking between late January-early February and May 3? That sure took him a while to decide that his opinion would be disgust and shame instead of no opinionDoes it say anywhere what his reaction was? Nope, it says he didn't step into the situation. That is because there were people on the ground in Iraq who were taking care of the situation. The last time we had a war managed from Washington, we lost Vietnam...hey, Kerry ought to know about that; after all, I heard someone tell me he served in Vietnam.

It's called "standing your ground." Rumsfeld is a good SecDef who just happened to be on duty during the worst moments (9/11 and this "abuse picture crisis" that has been overplayed...after all, Jean Francois Kerry did admit to committing worse acts during Vietnam.)

1) Overplayed? They forced prisoners to rape teenage girls on camera, Panhandlia. How in the name of all that's Holy is the outrage that should and will legitemately be provoked, to say nothing of alienating whatever support we still had in Iraq and making every other soldier, guilty or not, a target of retribution overplaying the frappin' crisis?!

Once again, we see the conservative capacity for doublethink at work. Consentual presidential blowjobs really are cause for removal from office, but forcing prisoners to simulate homosexual oral sex is just "blowing off steam"*.

*Actual quotation from Rush Limbaugh

2) So because John Kerry was ordered to engage in free-fire zones, that somehow makes this o-frappin'-kay? God, and you complain about our sense of moral relativism. . .

TAG...

Does it say anywhere what his reaction was? Nope, it says he didn't step into the situation. That is because there were people on the ground in Iraq who were taking care of the situation. The last time we had a war managed from Washington, we lost Vietnam...hey, Kerry ought to know about that; after all, I heard someone tell me he served in Vietnam.

Bush's lack of reaction early on in the case was hardly surprising, it would have been political suicide for him to offer himself to the wolves. However now that the story has broke, he's seen by the entire world (as seen by opinion polls on the subject) as doing far too little to fix the problem.

Rather than simply stating, "Bush is doing enough, and he did enough before. Stop complaining." I would really like to see some honest concern towards the voices of the Iraqi people (who seem displeased with the way the situation has been handled), the world opinion at large, and the dissenting voices within the US government. I'm not asking for the Bush admin to actually DO anything about it, but even the pretense of caring would be nice. Sitting still when one hears of human right's abuses within their own highly scrutanized occupation force, one would think Rumsfeld would at least write a memo about it to his commander in chief.

On the other subject raised, Rumsfeld is deeply antagonistic to those situated to the left of the political spectrum, and I would venture to say that those with a strong grasp of military theory would also find him vexing. Resignation be hanged, I would much rather know who's going to undo the doctrinal damage he's done to US military training and policy.

Your Kerry comments are flatly absurd, I can only assume you suffered a stroke while writing that. I wish you a speedy recovery.

bush's reaction, cited here:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200405/11/eng20040511_142888.html

Does it say anywhere what his reaction was? Nope, it says he didn't step into the situation. That is because there were people on the ground in Iraq who were taking care of the situation. The last time we had a war managed from Washington, we lost Vietnam...hey, Kerry ought to know about that; after all, I heard someone tell me he served in Vietnam.the problem isn't that he didn't micromanage. The problem is that he he didn't apologize or even acknowledge that there was a problem until the pictures were about to be shown by news media. Heck, his last SOTU speech even mocked people who thought there were serious problems with Iraq. John Kerry has been against American war crimes since at least as far back as the 1970's. George W Bush the flip-flopper apparently didn't come to that conclusion until last week

Up yours to Bush!

Up yours to Bush!Yes, please up Bush's poll numbers :)

Convert away from your liberal ways! The power of Christ compells you! :P

First of all, Saipea is an idiot. Do you realize that you just threatened the President of the most powerful nation on Earth? :x Please think before you post something that other intellegent beings could read. Also Logarthy, Carla Fay Tucker may have made her peace with God, but she owed humanity for what she did. She paid with what she took from those other people, her life.

Now, though I am an ultra-right wing conservative i feel that what those guards did is atrocious and should be punished as severely as possible.
Yes, I mean exocutions. Those were other humans they were torturing, not just some raghead terrorists. We are supposed to be the good guys here. However, believe that Bush did truly feel sickened by what he saw and so did Rumsfeld. They are human after all.

Kennedy has been insulting the President and his cabinet for some time, he has a lot of gall to start trying to relate to them in a professional manner after that.

Rumsfeld should be forced to resign. He admitted to having knowledge of these tortures and rapes, and what did he do? Not a god damn thing

knowledge after the fact, it's not like he let it go on or encouraged it

If you were to kill someone, or commit a crime...andnthen tell me that you did it....and I didnt do anything about it....

Im just as guilty as you are.

So is Donald Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld should be forced to resign. He admitted to having knowledge of these tortures and rapes, and what did he do? Not a god damn thing

knowledge after the fact, it's not like he let it go on or encouraged it

If you were to kill someone, or commit a crime...andnthen tell me that you did it....and I didnt do anything about it....

Im just as guilty as you are.

So is Donald Rumsfeld.Umm... what makes you think he did nothing about it? Have their or haven't their been any legal and/or disciplinary actions taken against those known to be involved?

What was your reaction when, after Ted Kennedy requested "Rumsfield"'s resignation, Bush said that Rumsfeld was one of the best Secretaries of Defense ever and that he was doing a great job?

Rumsfeld is very much overrated. His management of the occupation operations in Iraq and Afghanistan has been idiotic, and I still feel he doesn't belong anywhere in government after his role in aiding and abetting Saddam's massacre of the Kurds. Kennedy was being a blowhard, though. Rumsfeld should resign, but Ted Kennedy ruins any chance of that happening.

Also, what was your reaction to Bush's reaction to the most recent set of prisonert abuse photos? (His reaction was outright disgustion and shame, btw)

Ahem... It's reported that his reacion was disgust and shame. Does that mean that he was actually disgusted and shamed? Not likely.

Honestly, I doubt Bush has an ounce of compassion or remorse in his body after what he did to Carla Faye Tucker. People do not go from coldhearted to compassionate and caring that quickly.LOL

wow, conspiracy theorist anyone?

What conspiracy? Bush publicly mocked a Christian begging for her life (Carla Faye Tucker) and then summarily rejected her plea. Rumsfeld was a friend of Saddam for years; his role in shunting American war material to Iraq is no secret at all.

First of all, Saipea is an idiot. Do you realize that you just threatened the President of the most powerful nation on Earth? :x Please think before you post something that other intellegent beings could read. Also Logarthy, Carla Fay Tucker may have made her peace with God, but she owed humanity for what she did. She paid with what she took from those other people, her life.

That may well be, but it's inhumane and decidedly un-Christian to mock those whose lives are in your care. It betrays an utter lack of compassion, and to this date Bush has refused to apologize for his shameful behavior.

First of all, Saipea is an idiot. Do you realize that you just threatened the President of the most powerful nation on Earth?

He also offered a bounty for the President's death. That's felonious conduct. There's a certain line (debated in the 1984 thread) that one does not cross. He crossed and spat on that line.

uhhh... where have you been? How can you say we're doing nothing? We're taking legal action against those involved... what more do you want? Executions?!I'm talking about Bush's reaction in February when he learned about what was going on.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/07/abuse.timeline.ap/index.html

so, what was Bush thinking between late January-early February and May 3? That sure took him a while to decide that his opinion would be disgust and shame instead of no opinionDoes it say anywhere what his reaction was? Nope, it says he didn't step into the situation. That is because there were people on the ground in Iraq who were taking care of the situation. The last time we had a war managed from Washington, we lost Vietnam...hey, Kerry ought to know about that; after all, I heard someone tell me he served in Vietnam.Actually, according to the television reports I saw, Bush claimed he hadn't seen the pictures until right before they were released, which tells me--if I give him the benefit of the doubt--that his staff from the DoD, the head of which is Don Rumsfeld, were not keeping him informed of very major problems. That's incompetence at the very least on the part of Rumsfeld, and he ought to resign or be fired as a result.

And that's assuming that Bush is telling the truth on this--that he really didn't know there was torture going on there. There's no evidence as of yet to contradict that, so I'll give him that one. But that has to mean that Rumsfeld is incompetent, and Bush's decision to not only back him but to praise him publicly only further illustrates Bush's incompetence at being President. Georgie, sometimes you just gotta fire people--watch "The Apprentice" sometime for crying out loud.

According to a few sources in the last few days, Rumsfeld's accountability in all this was the transgression of the types of manipulation/torture used to get some kind of assistance in whatever the f*ck someone believes they're gonna get from Iraqis at this point that has any pertinence at all to the publicly stated reason for invading them in the first place. Iraq DOES NOT EQUAL Bin Laden, never did.
He ordered some physical abuse as well. The psyche attacks are a given. But physical abuse with wires, broomsticks and invasion of one's orifi are the lines so boldly trespassed, apparently. Rumsfeld gave no clarity as to the fine line to be determined in this situation, and he did authorize torture in this case.
Today, on Michael Savage, he devoted his second hour on air to HIS question, "What's the big deal?", about the abuse.
This pretty much puts the bold-faced lie "compassionate conservatism" into focus.

Let's see... we're on the eve of the beginning of court-martials over this. Now, generally, they don't hold a courts-Martial unless they're preety sure they have a Conviction. The offense(s) in question get more than a Dishonourable and a boot out-minimum for the lightest offense noted in the photos is a multi-year stay in a facility Amnesty International lists as one of the most inhumane on earth (Leavenworth Federal Prison-as in the Military wing of said institution...) No doubt our young friends will meet 'Bubba' and experience what kindnesses they've shown to others.

On the whole, there isn't a lot the Commander In Chief should be doing-short of expediting the process by way of refusing the defendants Civilian Counsel. (Under UCMJ, you don't have any more rights than the Regulations provide-once you put on the green uniform, you're no longer protected under the Constitution.)