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nancy Ragan has recently become a big proponent of embrionic stem cell research after a long long stay in the pro-life camp.

she said she did it for her huband who is suffering from a degenerative disease (I think if he wasn't he would have slapped her)

is she just changing her mind now becasue her husband could profit, or haver her opinions on the issue been changed now that shes seen the effects in the flesh?

She's a conservative right?

Well then we should encourage this. Maybe more and more Republicans will see the light.

Why the blatant misogyny in the thread title?

Why the blatant misogyny in the thread title?
I dunno. Maybe he has something against women. [shrugs] :?

awww i thought red arrow had been re-incarnated

creating embryos for the purpose of killing them and using the cells to improve someone elses health is just creepy. no civilized society should permit it.

if however, one could use ones OWN stem cells, something that i have a vague notion will some day be possible, then even if it starts "life" in an petri dish ,thats OK because they are your cells. that they have some possibility of growing into a baby because they are a kind of clone is irrelevant.

i also believe that every frozen embryo that people have created on the notion that they may want to grow it into a real baby some day, but now they dont want to do that, that even those embryos should be given to couples who need them to make their own families. they have a right to a chance at life.

wow good thing im a liberal ehh?

creating embryos for the purpose of killing them and using the cells to improve someone elses health is just creepy. no civilized society should permit it.

Wouldn't you say it depends on exactly how those embryos are created?


if however, one could use ones OWN stem cells, something that i have a vague notion will some day be possible, then even if it starts "life" in an petri dish ,thats OK because they are your cells. that they have some possibility of growing into a baby because they are a kind of clone is irrelevant.

What about taking an unfertilized egg cell, putting your DNA in it, shocking it so that it begins to divide, and then isolating stem cells? Is that ok? Because that's what they eventually want to do.


i also believe that every frozen embryo that people have created on the notion that they may want to grow it into a real baby some day, but now they dont want to do that, that even those embryos should be given to couples who need them to make their own families. they have a right to a chance at life.

Of course this assumes that frozen embryos will still be viable and that the woman who wants to "make a family" can successfully carry them and that she wants someone else's embryo.


wow good thing im a liberal ehh?

Eh?

Wow she changed her mind to something you don't like. Gee what a ho! :roll:

Ronnie would have slapped her???? Yea I am sure he would have said "No thank you dear, I want this disease that will sloooooooooooooooooooowly kill me!

I am will to bet you can't even tell us what exactly Stem Cell research can offer.

Sorry but posting this only increases my respect for her.

I could not stand her but now it's starting to change.

First she shot down the Neo-Con effort to put Ronnie on the dime and now this! Good for her!

yes it does depend on how they are created. if they are created "from scratch" so they are in fact new potential people, its creepy

if they are a kind of clone of someone then thats fine with me, as it is in effect "my own genes being used to help me".

most of the frozen embryos would end up dying in the attempt to implant them. as do naturally made embryos or so ive read ( im not sure how they would ever know that, but "they" say its true) but i believe that they have the right to have a chance at life same as you and i had a chance at life. to just discard them seems to me to be wrong.

as does the creation of unique embryos for the purpose of killing them to cure someone else's disease.

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If people can't change their long held beliefs following an enlightening experience, we're all doomed. When Churchill was young, he gas-bombed the Kurds. At that time of viscious imperialism, he thought he was doing a bad thing for the right reasons. Later in life, he regretted it. Nancy Reagan has had more than enough experience now to consider her position on stem cell research, watching Ronnie grow stupid and wither away. What would be the point of debate and argument, or even experience, if people didn't have the capacity to change their minds? It's a hallmark of humanity that we learn from our mistakes. Nancy knows nothing will help Ronnie now but maybe her concience has given her the courage to publicly state her current views, in the hope of easing the suffering of others. I wasn't a Reagan fan by the way, just addressing the issue.

What a ho. Hehehehe.

When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?

Wow she changed her mind to something you don't like. Gee what a ho! :roll:

Ronnie would have slapped her???? Yea I am sure he would have said "No thank you dear, I want this disease that will sloooooooooooooooooooowly kill me!

I am will to bet you can't even tell us what exactly Stem Cell research can offer.

Sorry but posting this only increases my respect for her.

I could not stand her but now it's starting to change.

First she shot down the Neo-Con effort to put Ronnie on the dime and now this! Good for her!



Well I dont know about you, but some people, Ronald Reagan inclued, value their morales above themselves.

I can understand why Nancy would change, but I dont nessacarily agree with her.

Whats so wrong with putting him on the dime? He brought down the soviet-bloc, and the other communist countries pretty much single-handidly.

She also shot down the idea of a Ronald Reagan college...oh well.

Stem Cell research is good stuff

Ronnie would have slapped her???? Yea I am sure he would have said "No thank you dear, I want this disease that will sloooooooooooooooooooowly kill me!

Regan was uber pro-life and even as he knew he was going to die and that stem-cell research could help him

nancy only made these pronouncements when he couldn't refute them

Stem Cell research is good stuff
but is embironic stem cell research?

yes it does depend on how they are created. if they are created "from scratch" so they are in fact new potential people, its creepy

if they are a kind of clone of someone then thats fine with me, as it is in effect "my own genes being used to help me".

So you would be ok with a practice that takes one of your cells with your DNA, implants it in an egg cell, and makes that egg cell artificially start dividing to get you some stem cells?

Because that's exactly what they want to research and be able to do.


as does the creation of unique embryos for the purpose of killing them to cure someone else's disease.

Doing it with your own DNA with "your own genes being used to help you" could create a unique embryo.

the title of this thread cracks me up

anyhoo, I am all for embryonic stem cell research

it's not like the embryos will ever have emotions, thoughts, or physical pain

whats the big deal, when this technology can be used to cure diseases?

Well I dont know about you, but some people, Ronald Reagan inclued, value their morales above themselves.
I can understand why Nancy would change, but I dont nessacarily agree with her.
Whats so wrong with putting him on the dime? He brought down the soviet-bloc, and the other communist countries pretty much single-handidly.

She also shot down the idea of a Ronald Reagan college...oh well.

Nancy Reagan wants to save others from the tremendous pain that she and her husband experience day to day. She knows that there is no real chance that any research done now would help her husband. She is helping others, not herself. To suggest that she is doing this out of self-interest belittles her and you, I'm embarrassed to read the arrogant and ignorant post that began this topic.

Some have no wish to prevent the horriffic slow death of the mind in others based on some vauge notion of impropriety. I find that goes against my own morals.

As for putting him on the dime. You do realize who is on the dime currently don't you? FDR, the man who orchastrated the New Deal and presided over all but the final days of WW2. Unlike Jackson, Washington, or any of the other great presidents who were placed on our currency FDR has been on for obviously less than 60 years. The great liberal icon would just happen to be replaced by a great conservitive icon. It was a shameless move by the extremist elements within the RNC and she wisely refused it.

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If people can't change their long held beliefs following an enlightening experience, we're all doomed. When Churchill was young, he gas-bombed the Kurds. At that time of viscious imperialism, he thought he was doing a bad thing for the right reasons. Later in life, he regretted it. Nancy Reagan has had more than enough experience now to consider her position on stem cell research, watching Ronnie grow stupid and wither away. What would be the point of debate and argument, or even experience, if people didn't have the capacity to change their minds? It's a hallmark of humanity that we learn from our mistakes. Nancy knows nothing will help Ronnie now but maybe her concience has given her the courage to publicly state her current views, in the hope of easing the suffering of others. I wasn't a Reagan fan by the way, just addressing the issue.

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Thanks man.

Wow she changed her mind to something you don't like. Gee what a ho! :roll:

Ronnie would have slapped her???? Yea I am sure he would have said "No thank you dear, I want this disease that will sloooooooooooooooooooowly kill me!

I am will to bet you can't even tell us what exactly Stem Cell research can offer.

Sorry but posting this only increases my respect for her.

I could not stand her but now it's starting to change.

First she shot down the Neo-Con effort to put Ronnie on the dime and now this! Good for her!

How ironic if Reagan was on the dime. The March of Dimes would truely have permanent advertising on Alzhemer's.

Okay guys you know that there is no earthly way companies will every be moderate in their dealings with embryonic stem research, right?
So then you have the possibility of baby farms where embryos are created to be ripped out of the womb and experimented with.
You also have the chance of children ranches where clone children ae grown and raised in case you ever need their organs.
Then you also have who knows what knid of horrors hidden in the background behind layers of shadows and lies.
Why? Because money, greed, and deperation make the world go round.

Good on her. I saw that in the news and I was glad. It's a shame she didn't come to the conclusion decades ago, but late is better than never.

Okay guys you know that there is no earthly way companies will every be moderate in their dealings with embryonic stem research, right?
So then you have the possibility of baby farms where embryos are created to be ripped out of the womb and experimented with.
You also have the chance of children ranches where clone children ae grown and raised in case you ever need their organs.
Then you also have who knows what knid of horrors hidden in the background behind layers of shadows and lies.
Why? Because money, greed, and deperation make the world go round.

All right, Chicken Little. We're talking about making use of unfeeling, unconscious, impersonal cells to benefit actual people. No one's endorsing baby farming.

Okay guys you know that there is no earthly way companies will every be moderate in their dealings with embryonic stem research, right?
So then you have the possibility of baby farms where embryos are created to be ripped out of the womb and experimented with.
You also have the chance of children ranches where clone children ae grown and raised in case you ever need their organs.
Then you also have who knows what knid of horrors hidden in the background behind layers of shadows and lies.
Why? Because money, greed, and deperation make the world go round.

All right, Chicken Little. We're talking about making use of unfeeling, unconscious, impersonal cells to benefit actual people. No one's endorsing baby farming.

No, but if this works it'll become a huge profitable business right? And huge business equals corruption. So therefore my senerio is actually quite possible and rather realistic. I mean how many horendous medical experiments/operations have happened behind close doors in order to benefit actual people?

Okay guys you know that there is no earthly way companies will every be moderate in their dealings with embryonic stem research, right?
So then you have the possibility of baby farms where embryos are created to be ripped out of the womb and experimented with.
You also have the chance of children ranches where clone children ae grown and raised in case you ever need their organs.
Then you also have who knows what knid of horrors hidden in the background behind layers of shadows and lies.
Why? Because money, greed, and deperation make the world go round.

This is why you make reproductive cloning illegal with extremely stiff penalties and only make therapeutic cloning legal. Not that hard...

No, but if this works it'll become a huge profitable business right? And huge business equals corruption. So therefore my senerio is actually quite possible and rather realistic. I mean how many horendous medical experiments/operations have happened behind close doors in order to benefit actual people?

You're absolutely right. After all, who could forget the great mass-murdering HMOs of the 1990's? Seriously man, medical science has done good and bad, coorperations have done both good and bad, MANKIND has done both good and bad. You put up safeguards and restrictions to prevent such things from getting out of control. If you're really so worried about it; start a watchdog group and look for abuses.