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Just wondering, 100 years ago the world superpowers were easy to define, i was thinking about who i would classify as the world Superpwers today,

1. USA (unfortunaly)
2. China
3. Russia
4. Britain
5. Israel

What does everybody else think?

1. US (thank GOD!)
2. Britain
3. China

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

I'm not even sure that the term 'superpower' really applies anymore. Wasn't it originally coined to refer to the USA & the USSR because the majority of the world's political power was concentrated there.

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1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

:P

I'm not even sure that the term 'superpower' really applies anymore. Wasn't it originally coined to refer to the USA & the USSR because the majority of the world's political power was concentrated there.

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No its been in use for at least 100 years, usually refering to the great European Empires or superpowers. But the US and USSR were the heirs of the empires if you will.

As of right now...there is only one true "Superpower" and that would be the United States.

It is the only nation capable of global force projection.

Britain is a soft superpower and China and Russia are regional powers.

By 2020, China and possibly India and Brazil will have reached economic Superpower levels.

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

Ah-oh

I wouldn't let Devil Dogs see that...

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

Ah-oh

I wouldn't let Devil Dogs see that...

who the heck is that?

Almost. The previous term was "great power", but it was essentially the same thing. By 1939, only UK and Nazi Germany were Great powers, and from the end of WW1 to Hitlers "ascension" the UK was the only Great power. Obviously, when Hitler came in to power he pulled Germany out of the recession and remilitarised sharpish, putting Germany far higher.

USA. China in about ten years. The European Union, if they unify a bit more.

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

Ah-oh

I wouldn't let Devil Dogs see that...

who the heck is that?

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Oh crap here he is.

Good one Colodia...

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

Ah-oh

I wouldn't let Devil Dogs see that...

who the heck is that?

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Oh, pardon me

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs
1337. Mutant Devil Dogs


Are you happy? :? Messes with your mind

Oh crap here he is.

Good one Colodia...

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

FOOLED!!!

Oh crap here he is.

Good one Colodia...

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

FOOLED!!!

You should get the new forum title: Puppet Master

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

Ah-oh

I wouldn't let Devil Dogs see that...

who the heck is that?

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Oh, pardon me

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs
1337. Mutant Devil Dogs


Are you happy? :? Messes with your mind

Just wondering, 100 years ago the world superpowers Technically there were no 'superpowers' 100 years ago. There were a number of 'great powers.' 'Superpower' is a post WWII term used to describe the USA and the USSR, two insane imperialist powers that held the world hostage for much of the latter half of the twentieth century. One of these is still with us today. The last standing Superpower (or "Hyperpower") has no true rivals yet. China is said to be getting there but it has a long ways to go yet to pose either an economic or military threat to the US. Russia isn't what it used to be, the sun had set on the Brittish Empire decades and decades ago though the EU may be formitable if it evolvles into a more cohesive organization. Isreal is a minor regional power that is highly dependent of American goodwill.

I'm not even sure that the term 'superpower' really applies anymore. Wasn't it originally coined to refer to the USA & the USSR because the majority of the world's political power was concentrated there.


No its been in use for at least 100 years, usually refering to the great European Empires or superpowers. But the US and USSR were the heirs of the empires if you will.

In that case, I shall sue my high school history teacher for negligence.

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Oh crap here he is.

Good one Colodia...

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

FOOLED!!!

You should get the new forum title: Puppet Master

:twisted: So you wanna play games eh?

Hello, I am Colodia. Will you be nice and play with me, Mutant Dogs? Yay!

Now?
We should really bring back the term great power to define something between a regional power and a superpower

Since we now lack a Cold War political divide, I'd define the term Superpower to now mean a Great Power that has significant power projection capabilities.

Superpowers:
The US

Great Powers (i.e. some power projection capability but not on the scale of a superpower):
Britain

Regional Powers:
Russia
China
India
Israel (solely because of their nukes)
Brazil

:twisted: So you wanna play games eh?

Hello, I am Colodia. Will you be nice and play with me, Mutant Dogs? Yay!

We should stop with the threadjacking...

:twisted: So you wanna play games eh?

Hello, I am Colodia. Will you be nice and play with me, Mutant Dogs? Yay!

We should stop with the threadjacking...

Hello, I am Colodia. Will you be nice and play with me, Mutant Dogs? Yay!


Your right...Forum Title topic?

Now?
We should really bring back the term great power to define something between a regional power and a superpower

Since we now lack a Cold War political divide, I'd define the term Superpower to now mean a Great Power that has significant power projection capabilities.

Superpowers:
The US

Great Powers (i.e. some power projection capability but not on the scale of a superpower):
Britain

Regional Powers:
Russia
China
India
Israel (solely because of their nukes)
Brazil

Funny, I just said that.

I guess no one listens to talking glass of smooth refreshing beer anymore.

I guess no one listens to talking glass of smooth refreshing beer anymore.

*drinks Guiness Extra Cold*

Did someone say something? :?

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:twisted: So you wanna play games eh?

Hello, I am Colodia. Will you be nice and play with me, Mutant Dogs? Yay!

We should stop with the threadjacking...

n3v4!!

I guess no one listens to talking glass of smooth refreshing beer anymore.

*drinks Guiness Extra Cold*

Did someone say something? :?


I am so going to mess up your liver.

I guess no one listens to talking glass of smooth refreshing beer anymore.

*drinks Guiness Extra Cold*

Did someone say something? :?


I am so going to mess up your liver.

*burp*

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1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

Tasmania's 110? give us tasmanians some credit

There is/was only 1 superpower, the USSR.

Tasmania > USSR

In all seriousness, the United States is the sole superpower at the moment.

thread hijack

who are the superpowers of NS?
pick me!!

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

Tasmania's 110? give us tasmanians some credit

109?

The USSR was probably the greatest of the Superpowers (in terms of nukes, military and influence), but not the only one.

The USA is the only remaining Superpower.

China will be in 10-50years, Russia in 50-100years (granted they actually get around to creating the vast industral goldmine it has).

The USSR was probably the greatest of the Superpowers (in terms of nukes, military and influence), but not the only one.

The USA is the only remaining Superpower.

China will be in 10-50years, Russia in 50-100years (granted they actually get around to creating the vast industral goldmine it has).

This guy knows his stuff ...

China's products are inferior though ...

OK here's my reasonings behind my choices
1. USA, pretty obvious. Economically, militarily, and technologically the most advanced nation on earth.

2. China. Because they really are no longer a "regional power" projections like 2020 are useless. The Chinese are here now and their continual advances are only taking them from strength to strength. Uncountable man power, increasing economy especially sets them apart frorm the rest of the contendors.

3. Russia. The residue from the Soviet Union keeps them powerful, but not for long. Their corrupt system especially weakens them amongst many other factors. Yet still can destroy the world in 30 mins so you have got to respect that.

4. Britain. Strong economy, strong militarily, will not be able to sustain superpower status for long, but for now remains in the list.

5. Israel. Dominates the most influentail region in the world right now. Got US backing, strong military, and with policies that demand growth (literally)

If anyone has been paying attention to the Chinese economy they'd know there is grave concern for the future.

China is growing too fast and no matter what is done to curb inflationary expectations, the economy keeps going at an alarming speed (like the energiser bunny on red cordial).

The result could easily be a crash which will plunge world economies into recession - on a scale only equal to the Great Depression. However, one would have to ask whether we would miss their cheap and inferior products.

I just do not understand why the West is giving up its economic superiority by allowing jobs to move offshore and give other nations the ability to manufacture for themselves.

It is clear from such actions that the USA does not wish to remain the superpower it is.

Now?
We should really bring back the term great power to define something between a regional power and a superpower

Since we now lack a Cold War political divide, I'd define the term Superpower to now mean a Great Power that has significant power projection capabilities.

Superpowers:
The US

Great Powers (i.e. some power projection capability but not on the scale of a superpower):
Britain

Regional Powers:
Russia
China
India
Israel (solely because of their nukes)
Brazil

France has an equivalent power projection to Britain. They have bases in Africa, South America and the Pacific, as well as a large global nuclear strike capability. They should definitely be up there too.

Germany and Japan are also economic great powers (Well, if you rated Israel, a country with a population less than 10 million people, surely they deserve a mention!)

3. Russia. The residue from the Soviet Union keeps them powerful, but not for long. Their corrupt system especially weakens them amongst many other factors. Yet still can destroy the world in 30 mins so you have got to respect that.

Imo, they are as low as they can go. With there bettering economy they can only get more powerful(unless something drastic happens with screws them royally).

How many Russians are on NS?

There aren't enough roubles in all the world to fix Russia's problems. They were better off as Commies. At least we conservatives then had an excuse to demand more defence spending :D

Just wondering, 100 years ago the world superpowers Technically there were no 'superpowers' 100 years ago. There were a number of 'great powers.' 'Superpower' is a post WWII term used to describe the USA and the USSR, two insane imperialist powers that held the world hostage for much of the latter half of the twentieth century. One of these is still with us today. The last standing Superpower (or "Hyperpower") has no true rivals yet. China is said to be getting there but it has a long ways to go yet to pose either an economic or military threat to the US. Russia isn't what it used to be, the sun had set on the Brittish Empire decades and decades ago though the EU may be formitable if it evolvles into a more cohesive organization. Isreal is a minor regional power that is highly dependent of American goodwill.

Exactly.

As he has pointed out, the term Superpower was coined after WWII to describe the awesome military and political strength the US and USSR had.

The US became one of the most powerful countries after WWI when it had assembled one of the largest and most powerful Armies and Navy. It ended a small Naval Arms Race with Britain, who couldn't compete with the US, but it ended with a truce in which Britain, Japan, and the US agreed to prevent future confrontation by limiting their ship numbers.

During WWII the US did more to keep the Allies running than any other nation. Without the Lend Lease program, Russia would have lost in 1942, without constant supply ships going in and out of Britain, the British people probably would have starved. The US became the only nation to successfuly fight a two front war, singlehandedly beating Japan and becoming the first Nucleur Power.

The USSR had formed shortly after WWI, and had been forming an Army in the years before WWII. Stalin had severly hurt the Red Army with his Great Purges in when he killed 90% of the Generals, 70% of the Colonels, and 60% of his Officers, all because they were "disloyal" to Communism. The Red Army had no leadership and were in bad shape entering WWII.

In the first few years of war, the USSR's casulty rate was 20 Soviets to 1 German, and until they could modernize their military were almost always defeated. However, when the Ruskies drove out the Germans in Stalingrad, the Soviet people knew they would win the war, and did everything they could to. In 1945, The Soviets held Berlin, Hitler had shot himself and proclaimed the Slavs as the holders of Berlin, and thus the new master race.

LoL I guess I sort of explained the rise of the USSR and US...for no real reason...

3. Russia.

Imo, they are as low as they can go. You should study russian history a bit more. They can go much lower yet :twisted:

The UK could compete with the US until 1939, when our industry was blitzed. Several times. We could easily out-producxe every other nation indefintely. However, decadence got in the way. No we have little power left. We went the way of the Romans, the Mongols, the Huns, the Egyptians, the Russians (remember that they were a huge player in the renaissance), the Chinese, and the same way America will go. It's inevitable.

1. A Grenada-Falklands alliance.

Nothing can compare, just hope the civilized worl never meets a threat so huge. :D

Just wondering, 100 years ago the world superpowers Technically there were no 'superpowers' 100 years ago. There were a number of 'great powers.' 'Superpower' is a post WWII term used to describe the USA and the USSR, two insane imperialist powers that held the world hostage for much of the latter half of the twentieth century. One of these is still with us today. The last standing Superpower (or "Hyperpower") has no true rivals yet. China is said to be getting there but it has a long ways to go yet to pose either an economic or military threat to the US. Russia isn't what it used to be, the sun had set on the Brittish Empire decades and decades ago though the EU may be formitable if it evolvles into a more cohesive organization. Isreal is a minor regional power that is highly dependent of American goodwill.

Exactly.

As he has pointed out, the term Superpower was coined after WWII to describe the awesome military and political strength the US and USSR had.

The US became one of the most powerful countries after WWI when it had assembled one of the largest and most powerful Armies and Navy. It ended a small Naval Arms Race with Britain, who couldn't compete with the US, but it ended with a truce in which Britain, Japan, and the US agreed to prevent future confrontation by limiting their ship numbers.

During WWII the US did more to keep the Allies running than any other nation. Without the Lend Lease program, Russia would have lost in 1942, without constant supply ships going in and out of Britain, the British people probably would have starved. The US became the only nation to successfuly fight a two front war, singlehandedly beating Japan and becoming the first Nucleur Power.

The USSR had formed shortly after WWI, and had been forming an Army in the years before WWII. Stalin had severly hurt the Red Army with his Great Purges in when he killed 90% of the Generals, 70% of the Colonels, and 60% of his Officers, all because they were "disloyal" to Communism. The Red Army had no leadership and were in bad shape entering WWII.

In the first few years of war, the USSR's casulty rate was 20 Soviets to 1 German, and until they could modernize their military were almost always defeated. However, when the Ruskies drove out the Germans in Stalingrad, the Soviet people knew they would win the war, and did everything they could to. In 1945, The Soviets held Berlin, Hitler had shot himself and proclaimed the Slavs as the holders of Berlin, and thus the new master race.

LoL I guess I sort of explained the rise of the USSR and US...for no real reason...

Stalin didn't kill almost all of his Officers because they were "disloyal" to Communism, it was because he was an Idiot affraid that they would take over the gov't. And the the USSR could of won the war much earlier if Stalin listend to his spies and set up a defence, before the German Army would attack them, ("Stalin didn't want to believe that Hitler would order the attack on USSR.
Also don't forget, Stalin had been training the German amry in USSR before the war started,
so basically Stallin trained his own assassins! There were also problems during the war when
some Idiot advised Stalin to get the Light weight US tanks to fight against the heavy German Panzer, Tiger tanks, which became a disaster, later they started to produce the T-34
which was the best tank in world at that time, and the first to ever have power steering! which helped win the battle at Kursk.

So there you go.

3. Russia.

Imo, they are as low as they can go. You should study russian history a bit more. They can go much lower yet :twisted:

In military power they are one of the best!

1. Queensland
2. Perth
3. New Zealand

110. Tasmania

1. Colodia
2. USA
3. Britain

666. Mutant Dogs

All because you wanted to deat me!

HAHA. Just had to put yourself as # 1 didn't you?

I'm a Superpower! :lol:

The next superpower:

AUSTRALIA

Laugh now, but wait and see.

It seems like you are mostly right. But depends on what type you mean. Economic or Militaristic.

It seems like you are mostly right. But depends on what type you mean. Economic or Militaristic.

With economic power comes military might. It follows in the wake of prosperity (bigger population + booming economy --> stronger military)

[quote="Communist Likon"]1. USA (unfortunaly)
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Make like the Idahoan way: Is it bleedin'? Is it green? Does it smell bad? No? Then pick up and quit yer bitchin'!

[quote="Communist Likon"]1. USA (unfortunaly)
quote]

Make like the Idahoan way: Is it bleedin'? Is it green? Does it smell bad? No? Then pick up and quit yer bitchin'!

The next superpower:

AUSTRALIA

Laugh now, but wait and see.

I'm laughing at the thought of an 98 year old John Howard making a speech as to why we should invade the USA.

The next superpower:

AUSTRALIA

Laugh now, but wait and see.

I'm laughing at the thought of an 98 year old John Howard making a speech as to why we should invade the USA.

LOL well I doubt "little johnny" will be running the country till he is 98 (although he might live that long - who knows aye)...it would be hilarious though...poor Costello!

As for the USA...Australia and America have far too much in common to go to war against one another. It is my belief that for at least the next 200 years, war will be fought between the Western bloc and the Eastern bloc. (Western Civilisation versus the Arabs and Asians)

USA, Japan, Britain, France, China, Russia, Germany; in no peticular order.

This is easy...

1. USA
2. China
3. The EU

Top 10 Great Powers

Why no Superpowers? Even if some consider us Americans as I superpower, I don't think we deserve that title anymore. Why? Our economy is outsourcing at an alarming rate, and our military numbers are too small (otherwise they wouldn’t be considering instituting the draft again).

1. USA (hopefully we get whackos like Bush outta office so that we won't become a dictatorship... and then our downfall will come closer too if such a thing happens)

2. Euro Union - If Turkey and Russia are introduced in the Union, then the Euro Union will have a strong military backbone as well as economic; Greece, Poland, and France just don't have enough military power to go around. :P

3. Russia - has so much industrial potential! Yet, corruption is horrible.

4. Brazil - making leaps and bounds in the economic sense, and is the largest and most developed of the Latin American nations (I wouldn't consider them to be a '3rd world country')

5. China - is on a economic crash course with its inflation. :\

6. Japan - Japan's bubble may have burst, but even a 12-year recession can't knock it out of the #2 economic spot. It is not ranked higher because of its lack of military, but its military's building up, on the request of our government.

7. Argentina - Argentina was on the brink of becoming one of the first developed nations to revert back into a developing nation (like the UK) but the economy is on a recovery track. I'm not sure if Mexico should've been here instead though...

8. Israel - Even for such a small nation, Israel is a great power; it had developed nukes when some US nuclear material was lost in transit (supposively) some time ago. Israel also flexes its influence beyond the Middle East, particularly in Europe (esp. Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey, IMO).

9. India - India has crippling economic difficulties with its overpopulation, but the nation has potential to sprout into a greater power.

10. Great Britain - Jolly old England is barely holding on in my opinion. The nation has had severe economic difficulties since the 1920's when their markets for textiles shriveled up.

The Future Supreme Power: The Future American Union? The OAS hasn't done much, but a new Union proposal will have to come up soon when Europe unifies. I think Canada, the USA, Brazil, Mexico, and Argentina should be the heads of such a Union.

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Britain is, I believe, still considered weak, and it was even called the "Sick Man of Europe" not too long ago (as the Ottomans in the 19th century). The Empire also crumbled after WWI... which essentially killed the UK's power coupled with the post-war economic crises and WWII. UK has become a diplomatically reliant nation on the US, unfortunately.

Also, if the Euro nations don't find a way to force their people to have a lot more kids, they won't be on the power list too long, for they'll have to waste so much money on pensions... :?

The same goes for Japan, in which many government officials fear a severe depopulation of the nation and even have considered moving the capital from Tokyo in the future due to the rapid aging of the population around Edo in as little as 20 years.

And then the EU will be just a union to pay each other's welfare bills...

Finally, if Canada's military were stronger and its population increasing at a faster pace through birth rate, it would rank rather high on the list.

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