NationStates Jolt Archive

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?
You make a good point. We should stop spending all that money immediately.

we should indeed. Parents should instead not to mention you'd think maybe the kid could seek out the info him/herself also ask some questions do research. The shits bad for you.

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

because idiots are running our country. the shit they have in schools doesnt do any good, they should just just stop spending that money. but ican suggest some movies that i think would work better than the stuff they're using now; pulp fiction, and requiem for a dream

'Drug' is way too broad a term to be used, I think. Even when excluding normal drugs like penicillin or prozac, you're still putting speed and marijuana on the same level. They are, with very few exceptions, -very- different drugs with very different lethality rates.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see whySo, legalizing drugs would render programs like DARE useless? or what?

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

Because if not used in moderation, just like tobbacco and alcohol and caffeine, it can cause health and mental problems. In some cases, severe health and mental problems (paint huffing and speed, for example).

But, most -anything- in excess can be detrimental (sp?). It is, however, easier to go overboard with certain drugs than it is with others. Quite a few people who support legalization of marijuana do not support legalization of -all- drugs.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?Part of it is because we're lazy. Instead of actually teaching our kids the nuances--that pot and alcohol are about equally damaging to the body (albeit in slightly different ways), but that heroin and crystal meth can really feck your world up for the long term, we just lump it all together into "drugs are bad, mmmkay?"

Let me tell you something from personal experience. Do too much of anything and you'll have problems. Take too much aspirin and you end up with a bleeding ulcer. The risk level varies with the drug, and that's the case whether your drug of choice is caffeine or cocaine. But you can't package that into a 30-second soundbite, so instead you get the egg in the frying pan commercial and everyone acts like they've done some good.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

As such, why shouldn't pot be treated in the same way?

(Woo, quote pyramid.)

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

With that logic, drugs should be legal...but with anti-overuse campains.

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

First off.....your a Mormon, and a Conservative so your opinion is already jaded.

Secondly...

Last year twenty two and a half billion dollars were spent to keep people in prison for small amounts of marijuana.

Do you honestly think that that money is being well spent?
Honestly?

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

Which is exactly what should be done with, say, marijuanna. Legalize, regulate, tax, and use the revenues to encourage people not to use it.

I wish Alcohol and Tobacco would be banned like every other drug... but, unfortunately, that's a MUCH bigger problem.

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

First off.....your a Mormon, and a Conservative so your opinion is already jaded.

Secondly...

Last year twenty two and a half billion dollars were spent to keep people in prison for small amounts of marijuana.

Do you honestly think that that money is being well spent?
Honestly?


and more than teice that was spent on recycleing programs, which are bullshit

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

Then maybe we should legalize drugs and have anti-weed campaigns?

It's hypocrisy to ban certain things and allow others that are more harmful.

Marijuana is less damaging to the body the tobacco or alcohol.

There was a study done that showed weed has 4x the amount of tar in it's leaves compared to tobacco. This is flawed for two reasons:

You smoke weed buds, not leaves, the buds contain far less tar and much more THC then the leaves.

Much of the health problems from tobacco come from it containing radioactive compounds because of how it is grown, not just the fact that the leaves are filled with toxins.

I'll dig up the sources later. -.-

Every attempt at limiting drug use through law in the US (by this, I mean Prohibition) has ended in disaster. Once it becomes a social issue rather than a legal one, it can be delt with better.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

we tried pal...did you see the hell that was brought up?

Pot is the only thing which hasn't raised hell

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.

what's better, telling kids to NEVER EVER DO IT IF THEY WANT A CAREER?

Or telling kids that they CAN do it, as long as they use it responsibly?

It doesn't work for alcohol

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.LOL Why even bother with an age limit? A lot of the people that use them are underage anyway...

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.

what's better, telling kids to NEVER EVER DO IT IF THEY WANT A CAREER?

Or telling kids that they CAN do it, as long as they use it responsibly?

It doesn't work for alcohol

Plenty of people do drugs and have careers.

Cokeheads and tweakers especially seem to have well-paying jobs.

what's better, telling kids to NEVER EVER DO IT IF THEY WANT A CAREER?

Or telling kids that they CAN do it, as long as they use it responsibly?

It doesn't work for alcohol

Again, people are gonna do it even if it is illegal. I'm willing to bet just about every person arguing here to legalize pot has tried it once or more. So how is keeping it illegal keeping people from doing it? It's not. The only answer is to tell people to use it responsibly...or not at all.

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.LOL Why even bother with an age limit? A lot of the people that use them are underage anyway...

That would give new meaning to the words 'crack baby'...

what's better, telling kids to NEVER EVER DO IT IF THEY WANT A CAREER?

Or telling kids that they CAN do it, as long as they use it responsibly?

It doesn't work for alcohol

Again, people are gonna do it even if it is illegal. I'm willing to bet just about every person arguing here to legalize pot has tried it once or more. So how is keeping it illegal keeping people from doing it? It's not. The only answer is to tell people to use it responsibly...or not at all.

I haven't tried it :lol:

what's better, telling kids to NEVER EVER DO IT IF THEY WANT A CAREER?

Or telling kids that they CAN do it, as long as they use it responsibly?

It doesn't work for alcohol

Again, people are gonna do it even if it is illegal. I'm willing to bet just about every person arguing here to legalize pot has tried it once or more. So how is keeping it illegal keeping people from doing it? It's not. The only answer is to tell people to use it responsibly...or not at all.

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

The thing is... we already have enough problems with secondhand smoke and drunk driving... what would be the effects of legalized drugs?!

Dude....legal or not, people are still gonna do them. People would smoke pot and drive, or whatever, even if it stayed illegal. I think we should legalize it...but have an age limit to it, and have campains to make sure that when people use it, they also use their brains.LOL Why even bother with an age limit? A lot of the people that use them are underage anyway...

Well that would still happen, sure...but hopefully people would wait before using it. With drinking and smoking some people wait for the legal age...so why not with pot?

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.

I haven't tried it :lol:

Bah! :P

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.

Does that work with alcohol? Does that work with cigarettes?

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

legalizing it would just create darwinism in action.
so the regular people experiment a little, and the stupid ones overdose and die. everyone's happy.

legalizing it would just create darwinism in action.
so the regular people experiment a little, and the stupid ones overdose and die. everyone's happy.can we really call it experimentation? Experiments are meant to be done and learned from... why must we repeat the experiment 10,000,000 times? :P

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

(EDIT: The only evidence presented that drugs are harmful is that there are anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools? There is a website detailing the harmful effects of Dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/). We should, therefore, teach our children that drinking water is addictive and funds terrorism.)

Drugs are bad and we propagandize about them....because drugs are bad and we propagandize about them...

*begins walking around in circles*

Does that work with alcohol? Does that work with cigarettes?

If both were illegal, would people still do them? Not only would they do it...but there'd be a whole illegal bussiness around making alcohol, and cigarettes. More wasted government money trying to tell people to not do what they're going to anyway.

by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Sure! And because alcohol is legal, why not make murder legal?

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....

Let's see...

rolemodels
peer-pressure
second-hand
addiction
money


need I say more?

legalizing it would just create darwinism in action.
so the regular people experiment a little, and the stupid ones overdose and die. everyone's happy.can we really call it experimentation? Experiments are meant to be done and learned from... why must we repeat the experiment 10,000,000 times? :P

*smokes up*
Because man... I uhh... forgot what happened last time... Got some chips man? I got the munchies.

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....really... no one ever needs therapy for seeing their OD'ed friends jump off bridges?

And still, what about statutory rape? A 14 year old and 21 year old is tramatic?

I agree with discouraging use of drugs, but not with making it illegal to use them. Making it a crime for someone to hurt themself is just silly.

really... no one ever needs therapy for seeing their OD'ed friends jump off bridges?

That wouldn't be from an OD, that would be from hallucinating. :p

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....

Let's see...

rolemodels
peer-pressure
second-hand
addiction
money


need I say more?

Yes..you should....

Rolemodels?

You dont think Gangster rap rapping about smokin da chronic isnt already a rolemodel?

Addiction...

marijuana does NOT cuase addiction.....

Peer pressure?

That already exists....legalizing wont change that.

Money you say?

Can you possibly imagine the revenue from legalizing marijuana?

And still, what about statutory rape? A 14 year old and 21 year old is tramatic?


I still don't see where you're coming from. Rape and pot are two diffrent things. Rape is bad...no matter how you cut it. Pot can only be bad if you don't use it responsibly. There is no such thing about responsable rape.

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....

Let's see...

rolemodels
peer-pressure
second-hand
addiction
money


need I say more?

Yes..you should....

Rolemodels?

You dont think Gangster rap rapping about smokin da chronic isnt already a rolemodel?

Addiction...

marijuana does NOT cuase addiction.....

Peer pressure?

That already exists....legalizing wont change that.

Money you say?

Can you possibly imagine the revenue from legalizing marijuana?

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....really... no one ever needs therapy for seeing their OD'ed friends jump off bridges?

And still, what about statutory rape? A 14 year old and 21 year old is tramatic?

Now your showing that you know nothing about Marijuana.

Nobody Overdoses from marijuana.
Thats a fact.

At no time when using weed, do you completely lose all sense of reality...
Those are hallucinagenics or very strong drugs like Heroin.

And yes....a 14 year old being assualted by a 21 year old IS traumatic.
Regardless of that, even when the younger one is consenting..its still just not a good idea.
No one at that age generally can make a decent choice about sex.

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

most illegal drugs are harmful, but the anti-marijuana campaign is much more complicated. It's completely political.

First, it is against the "good christian" stereotype to smoke dope, so most religious influences want dope illegal.

Second, weed poses a threat to all tobacco and alcohol companies. They lose many customers, and lose profit if weed is legal. So they endorse anti-drug campaigns.

Third, weed is still associated with the anti-war/hippy movement of the sixties. This movement stressed anarchy, which obviously the government does not like. Therefore, because of the generalization of weed and anarchy, the government does like want to make is legal.

And still, what about statutory rape? A 14 year old and 21 year old is tramatic?


I still don't see where you're coming from. Rape and pot are two diffrent things. Rape is bad...no matter how you cut it. Pot can only be bad if you don't use it responsibly. There is no such thing about responsable rape.You totally blew off the context:

Colodia wrote:
Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Basenji :
Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it."

Me:
By that logic, what about consensual sex between a 14 and 21 year old?

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

You really buy into that 'gateway drug' bullshit?

Marijuana is the most commonly tried drug because it is the most easily accessed drug.

Surprise, surprise! Most people who snort coke smoked weed before? :o
Surely it has nothing to do with the fact that you can get weed in any town with little to no trouble. More people who smoke weed only smoke weed then those who go on to harder drugs.

Why not say tylenol is a gateway drug? I bet everyone who shoots heroin has taken tylenol before. There must be a connection.

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

You really buy into that 'gateway drug' bullshit?

Marijuana is the most commonly tried drug because it is the most easily accessed drug.

Surprise, surprise! Most people who snort coke smoked weed before? :o
Surely it has nothing to do with the fact that you can get weed in any town with little to no trouble. More people who smoke weed only smoke weed then those who go on to harder drugs.

Why not say tylenol is a gateway drug? I bet everyone who shoots heroin has taken tylenol before. There must be a connection.

Nice, about a hundred words, and you only see 2

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Same can be applied to cigs and beer.

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Booze and cigs are both very additive, yet are both legal. I again fail to see your point.

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Extend it? It's already there. Legalizing it won't make it go away.

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

Again, both can be appiled to cigs and booze. Jack couldn't pay the rent because he's addicted to cigs and can't stop. You can stop smoking weed.

Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it." We could even use the money from selling this stuff for anti-drug campains. And it wouldn't be so edgy trying to buy pot. You don't have a fear of getting shot if you're buying this from a store, lol.by that logic, Statutory rape should be legalized.

As well as child molestation and all that.

Thats assinine and you know it.

Those are crimes in wich one person preys on another.
Trauma, and psychological damage occur.

Using marijuana is a victimless crime.

Next.....

Let's see...

rolemodels
peer-pressure
second-hand
addiction
money


need I say more?

Yes..you should....

Rolemodels?

You dont think Gangster rap rapping about smokin da chronic isnt already a rolemodel?

Addiction...

marijuana does NOT cuase addiction.....

Peer pressure?

That already exists....legalizing wont change that.

Money you say?

Can you possibly imagine the revenue from legalizing marijuana?

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

First off all....what kind of person smokes pot around an eight year old?
The same person who would do it regardless of its legal status.
I smoke it..but never around children.

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Wrong.

It is NOT a gateway drug....research shows othwerwise.
Learn the facts before you critize.
Nor is it addictive, in any way.

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

Then since weeds not addictive....Jack is a dumbass, and would probably have problems paying the rent no matter what.

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Its already there.

Your 13 arent you?
Have you given in to it?

Some will..some wont....its a part of life.

Booze and cigs are both very additive, yet are both legal. I again fail to see your point.if we could, we would... (make it illegal)

And still, what about statutory rape? A 14 year old and 21 year old is tramatic?


I still don't see where you're coming from. Rape and pot are two diffrent things. Rape is bad...no matter how you cut it. Pot can only be bad if you don't use it responsibly. There is no such thing about responsable rape.You totally blew off the context:

Colodia wrote:
Even IF you legalize pot, your telling society that "hey, if you do it anyways, we'll legalize it then...not like we can do **** about it"

Basenji :
Or you're telling people "Hey, we know you do it. So go ahead and do it...but use your brain when you do it."

Me:
By that logic, what about consensual sex between a 14 and 21 year old?

My mistake man. :oops:

Booze and cigs are both very additive, yet are both legal. I again fail to see your point.if we could, we would... (make it illegal)

But they're not illegal. So why is weed?

By rolemodels, I'm talking about brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/dads/moms...what if a 8 yr old watches as his bigger bro smokes pot for a few months as his bro tells him how cool it is. Once he's offered one at 12 or so, there's a damn good chance he's gonna accept

Addictions...mental addiction....and the fact that it's a gateway drug

Peer-pressure exists, so why do you wish to extend it further in marijuana?

Money....money from your family. Reason why you don't have the money to pay your rent? Jack's been smoking a few...

You really buy into that 'gateway drug' bullshit?

Marijuana is the most commonly tried drug because it is the most easily accessed drug.

Surprise, surprise! Most people who snort coke smoked weed before? :o
Surely it has nothing to do with the fact that you can get weed in any town with little to no trouble. More people who smoke weed only smoke weed then those who go on to harder drugs.

Why not say tylenol is a gateway drug? I bet everyone who shoots heroin has taken tylenol before. There must be a connection.

Nice, about a hundred words, and you only see 2

I cut to the ones I could best argue against.

An 8 year old shouldn't know his older brother smokes up. My 11 year old brother has never seen me smoke up, never will either. It's called responsibility. Would it be any better to let your kid brother see you getting drunk or smoking?

Other people have commented on the others already.

Either your friend was already fucked up, or he took something other than marijuana, or the marijuana is laced.

Marijuana is not a very powerful hallucinogen, I have a hard time believing that story.

Booze and cigs are both very additive, yet are both legal. I again fail to see your point.if we could, we would... (make it illegal)

Thank god you cant.

People smoke in front of schools
People smoke pot around newborns

Like you said, it's a fact of life. And they're probably dumbasses. You don't speak for a society.

--

Even if weed is not addictive, Jack loves it. He would want weed because he thinks it's so damn good, he doesnt give a damn about the rent.

--

Okay, it's already there. As I said, do you really wish for it to extend further, shall it be legalized?

My view on drugs:

Using - one person harms themself: no crime
Dealing - one person causes harm to another : crime

Even if weed is not addictive, Jack loves it. He would want weed because he thinks it's so damn good, he doesnt give a damn about the rent.

Then Jack is an idiot.

If Bob the town drunk couldn't pay rent because he spent it all on booze or John the john spent it all on hookers, he would be an idiot, why look at it any differently?

Even if weed is not addictive, Jack loves it. He would want weed because he thinks it's so damn good, he doesnt give a damn about the rent.

My point is- Does it matter if the weed is legal or not? Jack will still have it. So why make it hard for the people who use it sparingly and responably?

And yes....a 14 year old being assualted by a 21 year old IS traumatic.
Regardless of that, even when the younger one is consenting..its still just not a good idea.
No one at that age generally can make a decent choice about sex.not assaulted, consensual

People smoke in front of schools
People smoke pot around newborns

Like you said, it's a fact of life. And they're probably dumbasses. You don't speak for a society.

--

Even if weed is not addictive, Jack loves it. He would want weed because he thinks it's so damn good, he doesnt give a damn about the rent.

--

Okay, it's already there. As I said, do you really wish for it to extend further, shall it be legalized?

People who smoke around children are going to smoke it regardless of its legal status.

Your grasping at straws with this Jack thing....the Jack guy your portraying is a complete fool...

As for the peer pressure thing....

Its already there.....it cannot be extended any further than it already is...

Do you feel pressured to drink alchohol?

Cigarettes?

those are legal.

Drugs are not harmless, and they can cause harm to others in their own manners. Not really more or less than alcohol though (and some drugs, say pot, are far less likely to result in violent crimes versus say alcohol).

Truly, if one is legal the rest should be, and we saw how horrible prohibition of alcohol was in the US. There is a reason it was repealed. Outlawing the use of alcohol results in crime and violence, just like the outlawing of drugs do today. All we do is waste our money, court system and police forces by making drugs illegal.

Many feel drugs are responsible for crime in bad neighborhoods, etc. This isn't true. The fact these drugs are a crime is the cause. How many gangs are warring over booze? None. They did when it was illegal.

Repealing prohibition yet enforcing laws on USE of substances like drinking and driving laws is exactly where the US went right. Making other drugs illegal is where it went wrong.

Besides, think of the taxes we could rake in from making them legal. Cutting out the waste of money spent on drug enforcement + taxing legalized drugs = huge financial surplus!

I can't remember what country, but in some clinics, they'll inject recovering users with heroin in controlled doses to help wean them off.

They have one of the lowest usage rates in the world, and the junkies are safer, since they're getting clean needles (less AIDS in general), and pure heroin (less chance of overdose).

At least, that's what I hear.

Very nicely written, Wargale.

I can't remember what country, but in some clinics, they'll inject recovering users with heroin in controlled doses to help wean them off.

They have one of the lowest usage rates in the world, and the junkies are safer, since they're getting clean needles (less AIDS in general), and pure heroin (less chance of overdose).

At least, that's what I hear.

I think you may mean Methadone.

Sometimes Meth is given to them to wean them off heroin.

I can't remember what country, but in some clinics, they'll inject recovering users with heroin in controlled doses to help wean them off.

They have one of the lowest usage rates in the world, and the junkies are safer, since they're getting clean needles (less AIDS in general), and pure heroin (less chance of overdose).

At least, that's what I hear.

That's intresting. Like what happens when someone wants to stop smoking in the US. Most programs will use a 'step down' system to wean them off tabacco. I wonder what country that is.

Drugs are not harmless, and they can cause harm to others in their own manners. Not really more or less than alcohol though (and some drugs, say pot, are far less likely to result in violent crimes versus say alcohol).

Truly, if one is legal the rest should be, and we saw how horrible prohibition of alcohol was in the US. There is a reason it was repealed. Outlawing the use of alcohol results in crime and violence, just like the outlawing of drugs do today. All we do is waste our money, court system and police forces by making drugs illegal.

Many feel drugs are responsible for crime in bad neighborhoods, etc. This isn't true. The fact these drugs are a crime is the cause. How many gangs are warring over booze? None. They did when it was illegal.

Repealing prohibition yet enforcing laws on USE of substances like drinking and driving laws is exactly where the US went right. Making other drugs illegal is where it went wrong.

Besides, think of the taxes we could rake in from making them legal. Cutting out the waste of money spent on drug enforcement + taxing legalized drugs = huge financial surplus!

look at alcholol today

-alcohol related car crashes, despite "don't drink and drive" campaigns
-WE STILL have campaigns against alcohlol!
-I have more...but I am feeling sick

I can't remember what country, but in some clinics, they'll inject recovering users with heroin in controlled doses to help wean them off.

They have one of the lowest usage rates in the world, and the junkies are safer, since they're getting clean needles (less AIDS in general), and pure heroin (less chance of overdose).

At least, that's what I hear.

I think you may mean Methadone.

Sometimes Meth is given to them to wean them off heroin.

That could be, I don't remember all the details, and I was drunk when I was told it, so yeah.

Drugs are not harmless, and they can cause harm to others in their own manners. Not really more or less than alcohol though (and some drugs, say pot, are far less likely to result in violent crimes versus say alcohol).

Truly, if one is legal the rest should be, and we saw how horrible prohibition of alcohol was in the US. There is a reason it was repealed. Outlawing the use of alcohol results in crime and violence, just like the outlawing of drugs do today. All we do is waste our money, court system and police forces by making drugs illegal.

Many feel drugs are responsible for crime in bad neighborhoods, etc. This isn't true. The fact these drugs are a crime is the cause. How many gangs are warring over booze? None. They did when it was illegal.

Repealing prohibition yet enforcing laws on USE of substances like drinking and driving laws is exactly where the US went right. Making other drugs illegal is where it went wrong.

Besides, think of the taxes we could rake in from making them legal. Cutting out the waste of money spent on drug enforcement + taxing legalized drugs = huge financial surplus!

look at alcholol today

-alcohol related car crashes, despite "don't drink and drive" campaigns
-WE STILL have campaigns against alcohlol!
-I have more...but I am feeling sick

And?

Drugs are not harmless, and they can cause harm to others in their own manners. Not really more or less than alcohol though (and some drugs, say pot, are far less likely to result in violent crimes versus say alcohol).

Truly, if one is legal the rest should be, and we saw how horrible prohibition of alcohol was in the US. There is a reason it was repealed. Outlawing the use of alcohol results in crime and violence, just like the outlawing of drugs do today. All we do is waste our money, court system and police forces by making drugs illegal.

Many feel drugs are responsible for crime in bad neighborhoods, etc. This isn't true. The fact these drugs are a crime is the cause. How many gangs are warring over booze? None. They did when it was illegal.

Repealing prohibition yet enforcing laws on USE of substances like drinking and driving laws is exactly where the US went right. Making other drugs illegal is where it went wrong.

Besides, think of the taxes we could rake in from making them legal. Cutting out the waste of money spent on drug enforcement + taxing legalized drugs = huge financial surplus!

look at alcholol today

-alcohol related car crashes, despite "don't drink and drive" campaigns
-WE STILL have campaigns against alcohlol!
-I have more...but I am feeling sick

So how would making alcohol illegal solve these problems? Again, you're jut hurting the people that use it responcably by making it illegal.

look at alcholol today

-alcohol related car crashes, despite "don't drink and drive" campaigns
-WE STILL have campaigns against alcohlol!
-I have more...but I am feeling sick

You know what helps you get really hammered? Pot.

Once you start feeling sick, take a few hits, that sickness feeling goes away, and you can drink more.

Sorry, that was off-topic, back to why drugs should be legalized.

And yes....a 14 year old being assualted by a 21 year old IS traumatic.
Regardless of that, even when the younger one is consenting..its still just not a good idea.
No one at that age generally can make a decent choice about sex.not assaulted, consensual

A 14 year old can't give consent, so your argument is pointless.

Geez, you guys need to update your anti-drug rigamoral. You're still using the old Reefer Madness model or that After-School Special (so, am I the last person on earth to realize that it spells ASS?) where Helen Hunt flips out and jumps from a second story window.

Now drugs are bad because you'll miss your swim meet or be in slightly more danger when hanging out at irrisponsable peoples houses (like people with a pool and a toddler and no fence, or people with kids that keep a loaded gun in thier desk).

Geez, you guys need to update your anti-drug rigamoral. You're still using the old Reefer Madness model or that After-School Special (so, am I the last person on earth to realize that it spells ASS?) where Helen Hunt flips out and jumps from a second story window.

Now drugs are bad because you'll miss your swim meet or be in slightly more danger when hanging out at irrisponsable peoples houses (like people with a pool and a toddler and no fence, or people with kids that keep a loaded gun in thier desk).

Anyone who doesn't show up to her swim meet because she wanted to get high wouldn't be on the swim team.

Plus, she should be kicked off the team.

Don't blame drugs, blame the immense stupidity of the human race.

LOL

this argument is... funny. it's not going anywhere. particularly because some people just keep retorting the same claims again and again without pushing the dabate further.

personally, i'm divided on this issue. those i know who smoke up do it as much as they want. they don't toke in the middle of the mall, sure, but, as some have stated, i don't see weed disappearing or the users being discouraged because the substance is illegal. however, i do feel that cannabis should be treated in the same light as alcohol and tabacco, rather that being categorized with crystal meth, coke and heroin.

but really, that jack character is an idiot.

Geez, you guys need to update your anti-drug rigamoral. You're still using the old Reefer Madness model or that After-School Special (so, am I the last person on earth to realize that it spells ASS?) where Helen Hunt flips out and jumps from a second story window.

Now drugs are bad because you'll miss your swim meet or be in slightly more danger when hanging out at irrisponsable peoples houses (like people with a pool and a toddler and no fence, or people with kids that keep a loaded gun in thier desk).

Anyone who doesn't show up to her swim meet because she wanted to get high wouldn't be on the swim team.

Plus, she should be kicked off the team.

Don't blame drugs, blame the immense stupidity of the human race.
I'm no Jonathan Swift, but....

Now drugs are bad because you'll miss your swim meet or be in slightly more danger when hanging out at irrisponsable peoples houses (like people with a pool and a toddler and no fence, or people with kids that keep a loaded gun in thier desk).

Or, they're now bad because if you get caught with them you'll get in trouble. The circular logic ad - my favorite, right after the guys in the car who mow down the little girl on the pink bike outside the drivethrough. :lol:

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?

most illegal drugs are harmful, but the anti-marijuana campaign is much more complicated. It's completely political.

First, it is against the "good christian" stereotype to smoke dope, so most religious influences want dope illegal.

Second, weed poses a threat to all tobacco and alcohol companies. They lose many customers, and lose profit if weed is legal. So they endorse anti-drug campaigns.

Third, weed is still associated with the anti-war/hippy movement of the sixties. This movement stressed anarchy, which obviously the government does not like. Therefore, because of the generalization of weed and anarchy, the government does like want to make is legal.

I'm surprised the anti-drug man hasn't responded to this.

It seems to me that there are drugs out there that MIGHT be beneficial to mankind, but there are criminal organizations that kill others for the money that drugs create for them. Again, it comes as no surprise to me at least that the 'all-mighty dollar' is at the base of this issue.
I agree that the hard drugs or what I consider hard drugs, Meth, PCP, and crack have no benefits at all. Marijuana!??? I need more time studying this drug to see where the benefits outweigh the negatives. I've heard many people with cronic pain saw that smoking a small amount of 'weed' helps them through the day. They act normal in the public eye and have no ill-effects that is visible. I'm glad that they are able to find something to alleviate their pain, but I think society has a notion of marijuana being bad for you.
I'm just as confused as the rest of you whether or not medicinal marijuana should be legalized. All this hype of tobacco that is being generated from smoking cigarettes. Why not go on an ad campaign showing the ill-effects and benefits of marijuana? Educate the public of effects of all drugs, not just saying drugs are bad for you, don't take them.
We don't live in the 1800's where most citizens were uneducated. We have come a long way since then. Most people want to know why french fries are now named cancer sticks. We want to know why we are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and any other country. We care of what is going on around us. We need to satisfy the longing to be educated and to learn. That is what seperates us from the other animals. We learn about something and then we try to incorperate that knowledge into something useful or destructive.
Drugs are bad for us, some are some arent, just I think it's high time we find out which ones fit into either category.

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

Like the thousands of young professionals who are into 'soft' drugs. Complete losers, I tell you. :D

________________________

http://www.eunos.com/keith/brb/images/brb_sm.gif (http://fua.board.dk3.com/2/index.php)
DO NOT PRESS
THIS BUTTON

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gif

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/info/cannabis_info/cannabis_info_history_of_cannabis.htm
do you find the info on it accurate? no screaming propaganda please, i just want feedback on the given historical and scientific data.
Your heart may be in the right place, and i'm personally a supporter of the wide world of weed, but rule 1 of debate is using credible sources, and i'm afraid everyonedoesit.com isn't credible.

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

Like the thousands of young professionals who are into 'soft' drugs. Complete losers, I tell you. :D


:lol: Very good, although I was hoping to draw Colodia out on this one a bit. Oh well.

That's a self-confirming bias, Colodia. How convenient that the smokers you see happen to be the fools. Remind me, how do they enter your sight again? Could it be...by being fools?

It's kinda pointless arguing if you know that neither one of us is going to listen. Don't you agree?

Although it DOES raises my post count...

Let's talk more about Jack...

8) Very good, although I was hoping to draw Colodia out on this one a bit. Oh well.

Sorry to spoil your fun. :oops:

________________________

http://www.eunos.com/keith/brb/images/brb_sm.gif (http://fua.board.dk3.com/2/index.php)
DO NOT PRESS
THIS BUTTON

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gif

then why do we spend so much money on Anti-drug ad campaigns and programs in schools?

Can one of you pro-drug-legalization guys explain that to me?That is like saying 'if drugs are so bad, then why do we spend so much money on them?' The answer to both questions is that people need to get their priorities streight.

The problem lies not with the ads, but with the draconian enforcement of the idiotic laws. Drug addiction is a desiese, and you cannot cure diabities by making the possession of a six-pack of Mountain Dew punnishable by a life sentence. The use of heavy drugs ought to be discouraged, and minor indulgences such as pot should be as accepted at least as much as alchohol.

Putting addicts in prision though only agrevates the problem and creates a whole lot of new ones.

Well that's great. I come out again and no one's here

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?

It's kinda pointless arguing if you know that neither one of us is going to listen. Don't you agree?

Although it DOES raises my post count...

Let's talk more about Jack...

There are many people on this thread, and I'd hope that at least some are getting something from this. I always listen to a good argument. I'm sorry if you refuse to do the same, but if my words here fall on deaf ears, I thank you for letting me know and hope some day you will try to learn.

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?
Dude, I think you need a haircut. That is SO not you!

Oh wait, I can't see you!

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?
Dude, I think you need a haircut. That is SO not you!

Oh wait, I can't see you!

Perhaps you have learned something.

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?
Dude, I think you need a haircut. That is SO not you!

Oh wait, I can't see you!

The funny part is, I really do need a haircut, my hair's down to my shoulders, I just can't really afford it right now.

Moving out was a costly ordeal that I'm still recovering from.

But, besides of the illegalities, what is so scary about drugs? Why are parents so protective? Why do programs Like D.A.R.E. exist?

if you live in any major city, go into the "bad" part of town and you'll see why

Most problems related to drugs stem from them being illegal.

and, they can seriously fuc'k up your body

So can binge drinking, smoking and car crashes. But you don't see alcohol, tobacco and cars being banned do you?

no, but you do see seatbelt laws, anti smoking campaigns, and anti drinking campaigns.

Which is exactly what should be done with, say, marijuanna. Legalize, regulate, tax, and use the revenues to encourage people not to use it.

much like gambling. Everything is bad in excess. eating is bad in excess. sex is bad in excess. children are ESPECIALLY bad in excess. (i just had to raise the topic of how much i hate you all and overpopulation). the thing is, those who can't control themselves un the presence of excess can go fvck themselves and die off. That's progress.

My dad overeats and my mom is an alcoholic. If either of them die because of it, it's their own damn faults for not taking their genetic setbacks into consideration. The government shouldn't bother taking care of those fools.

That's not to say I'm conservative, absolutly not. I love civil liberties. I just think people who can't handle the responsibility of those civil liberties should be in any position to demand help when they go off the deep end.

Incidentally, my country is turning more and more right wing, and if anyone can telegram me with a solution to bring me back to the civil rights lovefest that it used to be, I would be much obliged.

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?
Dude, I think you need a haircut. That is SO not you!

Oh wait, I can't see you!

Perhaps you have learned something.

That High School is coming up and I haven't received a letter from that ****ing counselor?

Dragging this from an earlier thread:

I'm sorry, but a lot of the pot-smokers I see are a drain on society. Not exactly a thing that's encouraging.

And the ones you don't see?

I have a job and an apartment, and I smoke pot every day.

How am I a drain on society?
Dude, I think you need a haircut. That is SO not you!

Oh wait, I can't see you!

Many many many artists and writers et al were under the influence of some substance or another when making their works. Romantic poets, of course, such as Colridge, and of course, the likes of Lewis Carrol.

Many of my gifted friends also smoke pot to alleviate one of the problems that afflicts them outside of acedemic life; thinking too much.
I used to think far too much, and at one point was in a downward spiral of nihilism. Would I prefer to be doped up and happy? Yet still be cogniscent of my self delusion and escape? Sure, that's what religion is, of course. :P

True that, my theory on life for a while was "life sucks, so stay high as much as possible".

...

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

I disagree, to some extent. PCP is a true danger to society, and should be illegal.

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/info/cannabis_info/cannabis_info_history_of_cannabis.htm
do you find the info on it accurate? no screaming propaganda please, i just want feedback on the given historical and scientific data.
Your heart may be in the right place, and i'm personally a supporter of the wide world of weed, but rule 1 of debate is using credible sources, and i'm afraid everyonedoesit.com isn't credible.

i was neither debating nor using it for debate, i was asking people if the data given is verifiable. i was curious because i've seen other articles on cannabinoids and human receptors and some people in the philippines, specifically from baguio have said that americans encouraged the natives of the locale to grow cannabis. all this is for a paper i'm writing, in case you're wondering.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

its cool untill you have a neighbor doing heroin and going crazy in your front yard. then you have to deal with some narced up lunatic who wont respond or feel pain. the f***er put his fist through one of our windows. the cops broke his arm and he just went on like nothing happened. scary, scary time. not all drugs are good, there is a limit. if you can use them and control yourself, more power to you, i guess. although, opium basically killed china. and columbia under the cocaine cartels isnt necessarily my idea of a good time either. maybe government does need to step in at a certain point and protect us citizens from ourselves.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

its cool untill you have a neighbor doing heroin and going crazy in your front yard. then you have to deal with some narced up lunatic who wont respond or feel pain. the f***er put his fist through one of our windows. the cops broke his arm and he just went on like nothing happened. scary, scary time. not all drugs are good, there is a limit. if you can use them and control yourself, more power to you, i guess. although, opium basically killed china. and columbia under the cocaine cartels isnt necessarily my idea of a good time either. maybe government does need to step in at a certain point and protect us citizens from ourselves.

I learned in one of my college courses that opium was helping China's economy immensely. Then some Europeans started a war over it.....twice.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

its cool untill you have a neighbor doing heroin and going crazy in your front yard. then you have to deal with some narced up lunatic who wont respond or feel pain. the f***er put his fist through one of our windows. the cops broke his arm and he just went on like nothing happened. scary, scary time. not all drugs are good, there is a limit. if you can use them and control yourself, more power to you, i guess. although, opium basically killed china. and columbia under the cocaine cartels isnt necessarily my idea of a good time either. maybe government does need to step in at a certain point and protect us citizens from ourselves.

I learned in one of my college courses that opium was helping China's economy immensely. Then some Europeans started a war over it.....twice.

nah, the europeans needed an in to the chinese market. they couldnt sell china anything because they already had everything they wanted, they had silk, fruits, gold, silver, ivory, all the luxeries. then britain and france brought in opium and basically made the whole nation into junkies. china didnt want their citizens being drug addicts, faught britain, lost, and britain got another market. i guess it did help china since britain brought them industrialization and modernization, but it came on the backs of a bunch of lives ruined by opium addiction.

im a history nerd, sorry. anyways, a nation of addicts probably isnt the best thing. that was my point.

Hmm, that sounds right, I probably had it backwards. Works for me.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

its cool untill you have a neighbor doing heroin and going crazy in your front yard. then you have to deal with some narced up lunatic who wont respond or feel pain. the f***er put his fist through one of our windows. the cops broke his arm and he just went on like nothing happened. scary, scary time. not all drugs are good, there is a limit. if you can use them and control yourself, more power to you, i guess. although, opium basically killed china. and columbia under the cocaine cartels isnt necessarily my idea of a good time either. maybe government does need to step in at a certain point and protect us citizens from ourselves.

I learned in one of my college courses that opium was helping China's economy immensely. Then some Europeans started a war over it.....twice.

nah, the europeans needed an in to the chinese market. they couldnt sell china anything because they already had everything they wanted, they had silk, fruits, gold, silver, ivory, all the luxeries. then britain and france brought in opium and basically made the whole nation into junkies. china didnt want their citizens being drug addicts, faught britain, lost, and britain got another market. i guess it did help china since britain brought them industrialization and modernization, but it came on the backs of a bunch of lives ruined by opium addiction.

im a history nerd, sorry. anyways, a nation of addicts probably isnt the best thing. that was my point.

He's right about China, that's material I should be studying right now. However, it should also be noted that opium addicts can still lead productive lives. The father of modern surgery and founder of Johns-hopkins was an opium addict, as were hundreds of thousands of American housewives before it was made illegal.

The damage done by the cartels are the result of drug laws, not the drugs themselves. Without the laws, the cartels would shrivel up, because they only serve the black market. As for the heroine guy, heroine is somewhat dangerous, I will give you that. Unlike with PCP, however, a heroine user can be talked down.

Just look at the Netherlands- they've legalised soft drugs and yet they're an extremely prosperous, generally law-abiding country.

People who will misuse drugs (be it tobacco or alcohol or pot or whatever) will do so whether or not they're legal.

Legalize all drugs. If a person wants to smoke/snort/inject/eat/drink whatever substance they choose, then let them. It is their body, not yours.

I like getting high. It is fun. LSD and Hashish for meeeeeeeeeeee.

its cool untill you have a neighbor doing heroin and going crazy in your front yard. then you have to deal with some narced up lunatic who wont respond or feel pain. the f***er put his fist through one of our windows. the cops broke his arm and he just went on like nothing happened. scary, scary time. not all drugs are good, there is a limit. if you can use them and control yourself, more power to you, i guess. although, opium basically killed china. and columbia under the cocaine cartels isnt necessarily my idea of a good time either. maybe government does need to step in at a certain point and protect us citizens from ourselves.

Speaking from experiance the last thing you want to do when on heroin is move. You want to sit and nod off with a dopey grin on your face.

Drugs that are dangerous are PCP and crack, cocaine and methamphetimine when used for long periods of time.

Personally I think if coke is legalized it should only be allowed in coke bars that regulate people's intake to help cut down on the chance of addiction.

Just look at the Netherlands- they've legalised soft drugs and yet they're an extremely prosperous, generally law-abiding country.

People who will misuse drugs (be it tobacco or alcohol or pot or whatever) will do so whether or not they're legal.That's an important point--addictive personalities will be addicted to something more often than not, whether it's drugs or alcohol or gambling or sex or stealing or even work.

Which was sorta my point early on in this debate. People will use pot if it's illegal or legal. But at least with it being legal, you can tax it and keep money out of the hands of people that can do real damage with it....and really are a drain on us.

And put laws into effect about pot.

Drugs aren't harmless... I have three personal experiences that convince me otherwise.
1. My friend slit his wrists when he was drinking and doing PCP.
2. A house that had a meth lab blew up just up my street setting fire to two other houses
3. There was a dead body all bloated and naked and stuck down my next door neighbor's chimney. It turns out the man had taken a lot of Acid and stripped
naked and jumped head first down there

I never said drugs weren't harmless. I, and I'm sure everyone reading this, well knows the dangers of drugs.

But softer drugs, like weed, don't cause nearly as much damage as harder drugs.

Drugs aren't harmless... I have three personal experiences that convince me otherwise.
1. My friend slit his wrists when he was drinking and doing PCP.
2. A house that had a meth lab blew up just up my street setting fire to two other houses
3. There was a dead body all bloated and naked and stuck down my next door neighbor's chimney. It turns out the man had taken a lot of Acid and stripped
naked and jumped head first down thereI don't know of too many people who argue that all drugs are harmless. In fact, the consensus on this thread seems to be that there are varying degrees of harmfulness for drugs. At the low end you have pot and alcohol, caffeine and nicotine. At the high end you have crystal meth and pcp.

The thing that drives most of theese types of conversations is the ridiculous attempt to lump all drugs together into one "drugs are bad, mmmmkay?" category. They're not all bad, and they're not all equally harmful.

I don't think of cocaine as a really bad thing.

I mean, I've never done a whole lot of it, but the result of what I did do was pretty tame.

Just kind of....a feeling of goodness...yes...

But softer drugs, like weed, don't cause nearly as much damage as harder drugs. My dad and my brother do so much weed! I hate it.. They both justify it to themselves and they are both LAZY SLOBS!!
I didn't want to be Cinderella all through my teen years cleaning up their messes.

I'd never touch anything more powerful then weed. I hear other stuff, like coke, is powerful and highly addictive. All this stuff about weed being a gateway drug is crap.

But softer drugs, like weed, don't cause nearly as much damage as harder drugs. My dad and my brother do so much weed! I hate it.. They both justify it to themselves and they are both LAZY SLOBS!!
I didn't want to be Cinderella all through my teen years cleaning up their messes.

I'm sorry to hear that :?

That's okay. It's nobody's fault but their own.

It's still unfortunate. People that don't use weed responsibly bring a bad name to the whole thing...and make us who use it responsibly look bad. :x

It's still unfortunate. People that don't use weed responsibly bring a bad name to the whole thing...and make us who use it responsibly look bad. :x

Exactly but I think what the whole thrust of this debate has been is that people who will use weed responsibly (i.e. the vast majority) when it is illegal will continue to do so when it is legalised.

I'm in favour of legalising soft drugs like weed or shrooms or acid. I don't use them myself- weed doesn't make me feel good so I don't smoke it. However, as has been said many times, a distinction needs to be made between soft and hard drugs. Not all drugs are bad mm'kay?

So much money is spent to keep marijuana illegal that could be spent on meaningful purposes, and the potential revenue from its legalization is reason enought to warrant its change in legislation.

Simply keep it illegal for minors, or those under 21 to use it, much like alchohol, or tobacco.

Think of this...if you were to sell a pack of 5 joints for 10.00 dollars (U.S).

It would last me two days..smoking only recreationally.

If I were to buy 3 packs every two weeks....thats 60.00 dollars a month.

Thats 720.0 dollars a year.

Now say you sell the same amount to a quarter of the population of the US...about 70 million people.

Thats $50,400,000,000 every year.

Fifty billion dollars every year....and thats only saying 25% percent of the populace smokes 15 joints every two weeks.

The money that could be made is astounding.
It could be spent nearly anywhere....health care......education........social programs.....you name it.


and thus far the government isnt collecting a single cent on it.

look at alcholol today

-alcohol related car crashes, despite "don't drink and drive" campaigns
-WE STILL have campaigns against alcohlol!
-I have more...but I am feeling sick


Oh come now, surely you realize that things like alcohol-related car crashes would occur whether booze was legal or not. You can fantasize that if it were illegal they would happen less, but the fact is there is nothing to support this, and historical data to support that mortality rates would increase due to crime and violence associated with prohibition.

We have to be realistic. We can't uninvent processed alcoholic drinks. We can't uninvent drugs either. They're here, like it or not, the question is how do we best deal with them.