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Is a third, more nuclear and deadly world war unavoidable?

No, of course it is not unavoidable.

But it will not be avoided.

If you see what I mean.

I dont see how It will happen. Nukes are meant as a default, not a weapon of war. People with thier hands on the button know that if they press it, the game will be over.

The third world war will begin just as the first two did. In Europe. Only this time it will be the internal strife in the EU, not facsism or alliances that will be the cause.

It depends. If you're talking an all-out thermonuclear war, I don't think so. Now, if you're talking about limited nuclear exchange or tactical nuclear usage, well, that is an unfortunate likelihood. However, I think we'll event pleanty of new and hideous ways to kill each other that will be more popular than nukes.

I dont see how It will happen. Nukes are meant as a default, not a weapon of war. People with thier hands on the button know that if they press it, the game will be over.
Ahh, but what happens when they discover a way to save themselves, yet destroy all others..or what about a freak who thinks a suicide nuking of the world would please his god?

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

I do NOT even want to think about the possiblity of a 3rd World War!!!

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

There's always one...

I dont see how It will happen. Nukes are meant as a default, not a weapon of war. People with thier hands on the button know that if they press it, the game will be over.
Ahh, but what happens when they discover a way to save themselves, yet destroy all others..or what about a freak who thinks a suicide nuking of the world would please his god?

Sounds like Osama

WWWIII is a good cd by KMFDM.

Sounds like Osama
Or those Christian nuts who believe that Israel must be destroyed in a nuclear war in order for the Second Coming to take place.

No one will be stupid enough to use nukes, short of terrorists... which is why they're our prime concern in the whole WMD thing.

Other than that... WWIII itself? yeah, it'll happen eventually

By guess is that a capable nuclear defense will be developed before a WWIII breaks out. Perhaps it isn't necessarily shooting down a thousand missiles from the sky, but somehow neutralizing their warheads or something - its a distant possibilty, but given the rate of human technological advancement, definately not out of grasp, if humanity can stay around that long.

"Vote Colodia! World War by '44!"

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm

"But wait a minute. Nuclear war, is that still possible? The answer is a plain and clear `yes'. Sure, the Russians and the West more or less like each other now. But the world is still armed to the bone with some 50,000 nuclear warheads. Although there's no finger on the trigger right now, the trigger is still within reach -- and the gun is fully loaded. And of course it doesn't really help more and more countries got nukes. India and Pakistan have at their disposal about a hundred nukes; thousands of nuclear weapons are spread over the many unstable countries that once made up the Soviet Union.

There's one reassurance, however. In principle, since its discovery in the 1980s, everybody knows what a Nuclear Winter is. You'd expect the world leaders to keep that in mind. The biggest nuclear weapons threat facing us right now is a small-scale nuclear war -- or a nuclear bomb attack by terrorists. But although that's awful enough, a small-scale nuclear war isn't enough to trigger a full-scale Nuclear Winter. "

"Vote Colodia! World War by '44!"

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm

"But wait a minute. Nuclear war, is that still possible? The answer is a plain and clear `yes'. Sure, the Russians and the West more or less like each other now. But the world is still armed to the bone with some 50,000 nuclear warheads. Although there's no finger on the trigger right now, the trigger is still within reach -- and the gun is fully loaded. And of course it doesn't really help more and more countries got nukes. India and Pakistan have at their disposal about a hundred nukes; thousands of nuclear weapons are spread over the many unstable countries that once made up the Soviet Union.

There's one reassurance, however. In principle, since its discovery in the 1980s, everybody knows what a Nuclear Winter is. You'd expect the world leaders to keep that in mind. The biggest nuclear weapons threat facing us right now is a small-scale nuclear war -- or a nuclear bomb attack by terrorists. But although that's awful enough, a small-scale nuclear war isn't enough to trigger a full-scale Nuclear Winter. "

Sounds like Osama
Or those Christian nuts who believe that Israel must be destroyed in a nuclear war in order for the Second Coming to take place.

What you said may possibly be slightly true, although i think you misunderstood. The Bible says that Isreal must be built back up. Many Christians believed that when Isreal regained its soveriengty like twenty years ago, that happened. ( you see, they became a nation again, built back up from ancient times?) The second coming is something that cannot be started by anything humans do. It will happen when God determines it to. As for the nuclear war part, i dont know where you got that, because it is not true.

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

Ok tell us where he is buried! :P

The third world war will begin just as the first two did. In Europe. Only this time it will be the internal strife in the EU, not facsism or alliances that will be the cause.

as a european i can tell you that's highly unlikely, the world is far too small to make a european war possible, and although its true that some people want the EU to go in different directions there is no way to see a war occuring from these divisions.
i have to say that from what i see from the world, WWIII will be started by american imperialism.

i dont there will be one. simple as that

and isnt this thread a little pessimistic?

WW3 will be a war of West versus East. Conflict is already brewing in the Gulf (liken this to Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand getting shot).

Nuclear war? I don't think so. The only nations capable of delivering nuclear weapons any sizeable distance are Russia and the USA. Let me just say, Russia and the USA would more than likely side together against the East.

(China does not possess ICBM's contrary to sci-fi geeks and their damned conspiracies :lol: )

The West shall win WW3. Many will die, but it will be a conventional war for the most. This victory shall be purely based on technology.

So it shall be written, so it shall be done.

I'm putting my entire fortune on the option that the Third World War would start in the Middle East. Nukes may or may not be used, but World War III will definitely not be the end of the world.

These are the possibilities that I find possible:

1. Europe will grow strong and the US will feel more and more threatened by Europe. Lot's of scared Americans will point at Europe and scream "communists!" A power hungry president will be elected and will decided to take action against Europe to "liberate" it's people which has been "oppressed" by "communist" goverments. The outcome of the war will probably be A. A nuclear war ending with several European and US cities destroyed. B. A full war (which will lead to a total blood bath) or C. A seccond cold war

2. China buys modern and effective weapons from Europe (and possibly the US), grows powerhungry and starts invading other countries. The EU, The US and possibly some Asian countries will join forces to destroy the Chinese foe.

3. The hostilities grow in the middle east and grows into a all out war and a chain reaction starts which leads to the involment of several all around the world. A short, but possibly bloody world war starts.


Or something else might happen... I don't know. I'm not a d*** prophet...

China is unlikely to become the next aggressor. I don't think it's going to invade Taiwan either, unless something big happens, like a militant ruler rises in Taiwan and threatens to nuke Beijing or something.

I think it's already starting. It began with the American invading Iraq... There seems to be nothing else happening, but they are slowly arming themselves and if, the US is indeed hell-bent on going after Iran and Syria, we will see the coming of the next war. Even if they don't tensions in the Middle East will mount until the pot overboils, at which point it was become inevitable...

If you want to be pernickity we already had World War III.

It was called the Cold War and nukes were involved.

If you want to be pernickity we already have World War III.

It was called the Cold War and nukes were involved.
Ah, but was there any fighting?

There are really only a lot of muscle flexing an espionage...

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

There's always one...

:D Isn't there just.

[Ah, but was there any fighting?

There are really only a lot of muscle flexing an espionage...

Vietnam, Korea and numerous civil wars across Latin America and Africa were battles by proxy to the cold conflict

[Ah, but was there any fighting?

There are really only a lot of muscle flexing an espionage...

Vietnam, Korea and numerous civil wars across Latin America and Africa were battles by proxy to the cold conflict
Iran-Contra affair... let's not forget.

[Ah, but was there any fighting?

There are really only a lot of muscle flexing an espionage...

Vietnam, Korea and numerous civil wars across Latin America and Africa were battles by proxy to the cold conflict
Iran-Contra affair... let's not forget.

Aye and the Iraq / Iran War, Angola, Chile's 9/11 etc etc.

And of course the Middle East was a mess then and still is.

I'm putting my entire fortune on the option that the Third World War would start in the Middle East. Nukes may or may not be used, but World War III will definitely not be the end of the world.

I find myself in agreement, well either that or China.

1. Europe will grow strong and the US will feel more and more threatened by Europe. Lot's of scared Americans will point at Europe and scream "communists!" A power hungry president will be elected and will decided to take action against Europe to "liberate" it's people which has been "oppressed" by "communist" goverments. The outcome of the war will probably be A. A nuclear war ending with several European and US cities destroyed. B. A full war (which will lead to a total blood bath) or C. A seccond cold war

Europe is no longer the military giant it once was. Their armies are not that strong (Britain as the strongest in Europe is less powerful than it was 50 years ago) and their navies are nothing special. Considering that an invasion of Europe is possible through Turkey, I would say Europe is more likely to side with the USA in the decades ahead.

2. China buys modern and effective weapons from Europe (and possibly the US), grows powerhungry and starts invading other countries. The EU, The US and possibly some Asian countries will join forces to destroy the Chinese foe.

China has already been buying heavy capital from Russia and has plans for a larger Navy. It will be forced by economic necessity in the next 30-50 years to invade other nations for land. With a nett population increase of 400,000,000 within the next 46 years, China has no choice but to expand. The USA will be left with 2 choices: either increase their authority in Asia or back off as China's Navy threatens American Naval forces off China.

3. The hostilities grow in the middle east and grows into a all out war and a chain reaction starts which leads to the involment of several all around the world. A short, but possibly bloody world war starts.

Quite so. I am more inclined to support this. The Middle East is the Balkans of the 21st century. A world war will erupt, but Western civilisation will win out. The war will be fought far from the USA (although you can bet the terrorist threat increases) but Europe may face problems if the Arabs banded together and invaded through Turkey. That is always a possibility although with their superior technology, the USA and Europe will easily quash such an invasion.

However, this noted, I question why the West keeps selling their technologies to nations in the Middle East! Idiots! Selling weapons to our enemy's enemy is ludicrous and it is a failed doctrine.

1. Europe will grow strong and the US will feel more and more threatened by Europe. Lot's of scared Americans will point at Europe and scream "communists!" A power hungry president will be elected and will decided to take action against Europe to "liberate" it's people which has been "oppressed" by "communist" goverments. The outcome of the war will probably be A. A nuclear war ending with several European and US cities destroyed. B. A full war (which will lead to a total blood bath) or C. A seccond cold war

Europe is no longer the military giant it once was. Their armies are not that strong (Britain as the strongest in Europe is less powerful than it was 50 years ago) and their navies are nothing special. Considering that an invasion of Europe is possible through Turkey, I would say Europe is more likely to side with the USA in the decades ahead.

2. China buys modern and effective weapons from Europe (and possibly the US), grows powerhungry and starts invading other countries. The EU, The US and possibly some Asian countries will join forces to destroy the Chinese foe.

China has already been buying heavy capital from Russia and has plans for a larger Navy. It will be forced by economic necessity in the next 30-50 years to invade other nations for land. With a nett population increase of 400,000,000 within the next 46 years, China has no choice but to expand. The USA will be left with 2 choices: either increase their authority in Asia or back off as China's Navy threatens American Naval forces off China.

3. The hostilities grow in the middle east and grows into a all out war and a chain reaction starts which leads to the involment of several all around the world. A short, but possibly bloody world war starts.

Quite so. I am more inclined to support this. The Middle East is the Balkans of the 21st century. A world war will erupt, but Western civilisation will win out. The war will be fought far from the USA (although you can bet the terrorist threat increases) but Europe may face problems if the Arabs banded together and invaded through Turkey. That is always a possibility although with their superior technology, the USA and Europe will easily quash such an invasion.

However, this noted, I question why the West keeps selling their technologies to nations in the Middle East! Idiots! Selling weapons to our enemy's enemy is ludicrous and it is a failed doctrine.

1. Europe will grow strong and the US will feel more and more threatened by Europe. Lot's of scared Americans will point at Europe and scream "communists!" A power hungry president will be elected and will decided to take action against Europe to "liberate" it's people which has been "oppressed" by "communist" goverments. The outcome of the war will probably be A. A nuclear war ending with several European and US cities destroyed. B. A full war (which will lead to a total blood bath) or C. A seccond cold war

Europe is no longer the military giant it once was. Their armies are not that strong (Britain as the strongest in Europe is less powerful than it was 50 years ago) and their navies are nothing special. Considering that an invasion of Europe is possible through Turkey, I would say Europe is more likely to side with the USA in the decades ahead.

2. China buys modern and effective weapons from Europe (and possibly the US), grows powerhungry and starts invading other countries. The EU, The US and possibly some Asian countries will join forces to destroy the Chinese foe.

China has already been buying heavy capital from Russia and has plans for a larger Navy. It will be forced by economic necessity in the next 30-50 years to invade other nations for land. With a nett population increase of 400,000,000 within the next 46 years, China has no choice but to expand. The USA will be left with 2 choices: either increase their authority in Asia or back off as China's Navy threatens American Naval forces off China.

3. The hostilities grow in the middle east and grows into a all out war and a chain reaction starts which leads to the involment of several all around the world. A short, but possibly bloody world war starts.

Quite so. I am more inclined to support this. The Middle East is the Balkans of the 21st century. A world war will erupt, but Western civilisation will win out. The war will be fought far from the USA (although you can bet the terrorist threat increases) but Europe may face problems if the Arabs banded together and invaded through Turkey. That is always a possibility although with their superior technology, the USA and Europe will easily quash such an invasion.

However, this noted, I question why the West keeps selling their technologies to nations in the Middle East! Idiots! Selling weapons to our enemy's enemy is ludicrous and it is a failed doctrine.

China is unlikely to become the next aggressor. I don't think it's going to invade Taiwan either, unless something big happens, like a militant ruler rises in Taiwan and threatens to nuke Beijing or something.

Hmm . . . China invading Taiwan and the Western Democracies strike back trying to keep democracy in Taiwan. Sounds like deja vu of the Cold War

Hey, with North Korea tentions, I'd say a new Cold War, with nukes could be very possible.

Sounds like Osama
Or those Christian nuts who believe that Israel must be destroyed in a nuclear war in order for the Second Coming to take place.

What?

That might be one of the most stupid and offensive posts I've seen in awhile. I doubt Christians would just decide to nuke Israel, especially since MANY Chrisitians, including myself, support her.

Please do me a favor and think before you post this crap.

Yep, a lot of "christian nuts" fullheartedly support Israel, because they believe that if Israel builds the temple again, Jesus will come back.

Yep, a lot of "christian nuts" fullheartedly support Israel, because they believe that if Israel builds the temple again, Jesus will come back.

Oops, I re-read his post and understand it better now.

I thought when he said "nuts" he meant all Christians, but now I understand that he means radicalists...

My apologies Tactical Grace.

i dont there will be one. simple as that

and isnt this thread a little pessimistic?

Simple is right..well simplistic at least! Look at the world today. How can you seriously think there will not be another major conflict? With mounting problems in the middle east, and power hungry dictators in the west, do you truely believe they will simply live in peace for forever? As for this thread being pessimistic, isn't realistic more like it?

The third world war will begin just as the first two did. In Europe. Only this time it will be the internal strife in the EU, not facsism or alliances that will be the cause.
If you are right, the US jumping in is almost a certian, because of the NATO war clause.

No, of course it is not unavoidable.

But it will not be avoided.

If you see what I mean.
Succinctly put, and unfortunately, probably prescient.

There's almost surely going to be a Third World War. I would guess that the USA (or maybe by the time of WWIII, the Republic of the Americas or some such), EU, and China will be the principal powers, with Russia and India as powerful components of the power blocs. I don't think it'll start IN the Middle East, but that damned place will probably somehow set it off.
If I had to guess, I would say that the main power blocs are going to be led on one side by the China and her allies, and the USA and her allies on the other. Maybe we'll all team up against China, then turn on eachother once the Chinese have been wiped off the face of the Earth.

yes

yes

Yes to what, and whom?

My apologies to everyone and their theories, but there can never be a third World War (at least, not unless the World changes dramamticaly) for one reason: McDonalds (bear with me, here).
McDonalds is a symbol; it shows that a country has become rihc enough that it's citizens are willing to pay excessive amounts for poor quality mass-produced foood; it symbolises an excess of wealth. No two countries with McDonalds have evergone to war with one another (this is a fact: don't dispute it), becuase one u have a population with an excess of wealth, a total war (like a World War) is no longer economicaly viable, and thus no government of a McDonalds nation with any regard for it's own survival would engage in a World War, and all the World's ,most powerful countries have McDonalds. Problem solved.

Peace in our Time! :D

(granted, a worldwide economic disaster "Wall Street Crash times 100" could change all that, but how likely is a such a disaster.....? Someone, tell me it's unlikely or I won't be abble to sleep at night anymore! :( )

Perhaps it isn't necessarily shooting down a thousand missiles from the sky, but somehow neutralizing their warheads or something

That kinda reminds me of a sci-fi trilogy I read back in high school by Michael P. Kube-Mcdowell. One of the main plot points is that scientists develop a device to neutralize nukes at the point of impact (known as the "Fission Blanket") - the only problem is that it works too well,sending Earth into a new dark age where scientists are blamed for the disintigration of society and persecuted. AFAIK,the books are still available on amazon.com - just look for the titles "Enigma," "Emprise" and "Empery."

My apologies to everyone and their theories, but there can never be a third World War (at least, not unless the World changes dramamticaly) for one reason: McDonalds (bear with me, here).
McDonalds is a symbol; it shows that a country has become rihc enough that it's citizens are willing to pay excessive amounts for poor quality mass-produced foood; it symbolises an excess of wealth. No two countries with McDonalds have evergone to war with one another (this is a fact: don't dispute it), becuase one u have a population with an excess of wealth, a total war (like a World War) is no longer economicaly viable, and thus no government of a McDonalds nation with any regard for it's own survival would engage in a World War, and all the World's ,most powerful countries have McDonalds. Problem solved.

Peace in our Time! :D

(granted, a worldwide economic disaster "Wall Street Crash times 100" could change all that, but how likely is a such a disaster.....? Someone, tell me it's unlikely or I won't be abble to sleep at night anymore! :( )

My apologies to you, but you certainly do relized that some of the poorest countries in the world have McDonalds? Soon you'll be declaring unicycles a symbol of a wealthy fun society and saying that no country with unicycles will ever ban circuses! :P I can see the headlines..."McDonald Saves Earth from Nuclear War!" or "All Hail Fast Food"
Granted, you may have a basic principle, but i truly dont think it applies at such an extreme level.

No two countries with McDonalds have evergone to war with one another (this is a fact: don't dispute it), becuase one u have a population with an excess of wealth, a total war (like a World War) is no longer economicaly viable, and thus no government of a McDonalds nation with any regard for it's own survival would engage in a World War, and all the World's ,most powerful countries have McDonalds. Problem solved.

Well in the 1990's Indonesia and Malaysia went to war against one another. Both countries have McDonalds. Australia, the UK and the Commonwealth intervened in the conflict on Malaysia's side. Both Australia and the UK have McDonalds.

So there goes that theory.

Meanwhile, Indonesia does not have a population with an excess of wealth. Many Indonesians are poor and 50% of their population lives on less than $1US a day (many work for $0.14US an hour). Even China has McDonalds, but most of the people are not rich.

There will be a third world war, and this time Transnational Corporations (TNC's) will be major victims as nations revert back to highly protectionist policies. We may very well see the collapse of globalisation for the 3rd time in world history.

Note: 1st collapse caused by the fall of Rome (globalisation within the empire - the known world at the time). 2nd collapse during the period between WW1 & WW2.

I stand by my theory. I've never heard of any war between Indonesia and Malasia, but I assume u didn't just make it up...... hmm.....

I still maintain that McDonalds presents humanity greatest chance of survival, although it will be a greasy, obese, deep-fat-fried survival.

:D

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

:roll:

I predict:

"A man will rise to greatness tomorrow but will unfortunately fall at the hands of the betrayers, who's intentions are bad."

PLEASE, anyone who writes in this manner can be a prophet.

You guys should look up Nostradamus!

:roll:

I predict:

"A man will rise to greatness tomorrow but will unfortunately fall at the hands of the betrayers, who's intentions are bad."

PLEASE, anyone who writes in this manner can be a prophet.

Nostradamus claimed Bush would start dubya dubya three when he made an anagram outta the names Bush and Osama

(Forgive me if someone has said this already)

The two most likely scenarios for WWIII starters are:

I: Quite Simply: The US pulls a Germany. Bush, or possibly even Kerry (depending on the upcoming election) may continue this "war on terror" and take it too far for the world to tolerate.

II: Beijing orders Taiwan militarily assimilated, and the world picks sides. This is a powderkeg just waiting to boil over. The recently re-elected Taiwanese president has said that despite extreme hostility and many weapons pointed at Taiwan from the mainland of China, Taiwan will not give in and accept full dominance from Beijing.

Nostradamus claimed Bush would start dubya dubya three when he made an anagram outta the names Bush and Osama

:? huh.....say what???

Nostradamus wrote in incredibly vague terms and centuries old French, you can read anything in to his predictions: I've read books confidently interpretion a massive war in the mid-90s based on his stuff, which never happened.

To actually read stuff like that as anything less than speculation is, to my mind, extremely unwise.

As for WW3, my money would be on the middle east as the next "big" war, but I doubt we'll see a world war in the near future. Of course, if the Oil Crash comes along all bets are off and I'm heading for the hills.

Nostradamus claimed Bush would start dubya dubya three when he made an anagram outta the names Bush and Osama

:? huh.....say what???

it was on the History channel so it must be true

WWWIII is a good cd by KMFDM.

Funny. I always thought it said WWIII on the cd cover.

Is a third, more nuclear and deadly world war unavoidable?

No. I believe in destiny. I think that a WW3 is very possible. I think that politics is the only reason why it hasn't happened yet. :!:

Nostradamus claimed Bush would start dubya dubya three when he made an anagram outta the names Bush and Osama

:? huh.....say what???

it was on the History channel so it must be true

k ill buy that

Nostradamus claimed Bush would start dubya dubya three when he made an anagram outta the names Bush and Osama

:? huh.....say what???

it was on the History channel so it must be true

k ill buy thathow can anybody buy into that without further proof?

I think the current doomsday clock lists us as 7 midnights to midnight.

"Chinese sons o bitches are going down"
You know the rest

Is a third, more nuclear and deadly world war unavoidable?

No. I believe in destiny. I think that a WW3 is very possible. I think that politics is the only reason why it hasn't happened yet. :!:

I guess i could understand a bit about politics preventing a third WW, but it is very probable that a dictator may arise like Hitler, in which case politics will be absolutly, and utterly irrelevant. As for the destiny part...well. :roll: sry, but really...