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I hope these people are punished for doing this and disgracing the name of our country and military

Amen to that! I don't know if the military can give the death penalty, but if they can, they should do it. Burn these pricks alive.

I believe the Military can give the death penalty, and I agree that if the military can do it, these people should get it. Preferably, broadcasted on Iraqi TV screens, so they can see that we're dealing with them, although with the bias much of the Arab media has, I doubt if we did execute the criminals that it would get much cover.

I'm going to be pretty cynical and suggest that while much fanfare will be made of bringing them to justice, the actual punishments they will face will be quite trivial. Even in the best case, if any of them get sentenced to several years in prison, I bet their actual time served will turn out to be quite small. And some will probably just be kicked out of the military.

I think every officer above the rank of captain in the unit (portion of the brigade) holding that prison ought to be at least cashiered from the service and the commanding officer of the 800th MP brigade ought to be flogged in view of plenty of Iraqis...


As for the seven idiots that may well have cost us what respect we have gained from iraqis for positive actions, well...maybe cashiering them and then just dropping them off in the equivilent of the town square of Fallujah would be a proper sentence. I'm sure the Sunnis would be a-ok with that...

Ill bet that soldier is glad the US didnt sign the ICC treaty, he should be facing the war crimes tribunal right now.

Donald Rumsfeld should be fired!

what ever happened to that cum stain who threw the hand grenades in the tents right befor ethe war started?

Interesting. But the guy won't get the death penalty. It says so.

"If convicted of all charges, Sivits could face one year in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for a year, a fine or a bad conduct discharge, military officials said. Penalties could include only one, all or any combination of those punishments, officials said."


Thats bloody appalling! Thats barely a slap on the wrists! There are people who get more than that for smoking a joint for god's sakes!

"If convicted of all charges, Sivits could face one year in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for a year, a fine or a bad conduct discharge, military officials said. Penalties could include only one, all or any combination of those punishments, officials said."
Exactly what I was saying. None of them are going to serve much time, and many will probably be kicked out without any additional punishment.

As usual, it's a bunch of white guys beating up a bunch of black guys (better yet, they're foreign). And for all the empty outpourings of outrage, very little will be done. That's America for you.

Donald Rumsfeld should be fired!

AMEN! Not allowed to resign. Not asked to step down. Outright, pink-slip, you have an hour to clean up your office and then escorted out of the building fired!

AMEN! Not allowed to resign. Not asked to step down. Outright, pink-slip, you have an hour to clean up your office and then escorted out of the building fired!
That would set a dangerous precedent. If Rumsfeld is fired for screwing up over this, next time a senior government official screws up, there might be an expectation that they will be fired too . . . :o

AMEN! Not allowed to resign. Not asked to step down. Outright, pink-slip, you have an hour to clean up your office and then escorted out of the building fired!
That would set a dangerous precedent. If Rumsfeld is fired for screwing up over this, next time a senior government official screws up, there might be an expectation that they will be fired too . . . :o

And accountability in government would be a bad thing because...?

:D

And accountability in government would be a bad thing because...?

:D
:lol: Well, it would be good for the people. Just bad for the government.

And accountability in government would be a bad thing because...?

:D
:lol: Well, it would be good for the people. Just bad for the government.

Ah, good for the people bad for the government. I like the sound of that. I wonder if anyone will ever actually try it. :D

Ah, good for the people bad for the government. I like the sound of that. I wonder if anyone will ever actually try it. :D
Heh, that'll be the day! :lol:

"If convicted of all charges, Sivits could face one year in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for a year, a fine or a bad conduct discharge, military officials said. Penalties could include only one, all or any combination of those punishments, officials said."
Exactly what I was saying. None of them are going to serve much time, and many will probably be kicked out without any additional punishment.

As usual, it's a bunch of white guys beating up a bunch of black guys (better yet, they're foreign). And for all the empty outpourings of outrage, very little will be done. That's America for you.

This has got to be the most unsubstatiated piece of garbage I've seen today..or for that matter all week....the bit bout white guys beating up black foreign guys being ok...listen...the Iraqis weren't murdered, suffered no long term physical ailments..no severed arms, feet, toes, fingers...assault and battery yes...humiliation yes..but even by US civilian Penal Code statutes the max that could be handed out is similar to what they could get at a court-martial..Now..that being said...I believe they should get the max allowed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which has already been said.

"If convicted of all charges, Sivits could face one year in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for a year, a fine or a bad conduct discharge, military officials said. Penalties could include only one, all or any combination of those punishments, officials said."
Exactly what I was saying. None of them are going to serve much time, and many will probably be kicked out without any additional punishment.

As usual, it's a bunch of white guys beating up a bunch of black guys (better yet, they're foreign). And for all the empty outpourings of outrage, very little will be done. That's America for you.

This has got to be the most unsubstatiated piece of garbage I've seen today..or for that matter all week....the bit bout white guys beating up black foreign guys being ok...listen...the Iraqis weren't murdered, suffered no long term physical ailments..no severed arms, feet, toes, fingers...assault and battery yes...humiliation yes..but even by US civilian Penal Code statutes the max that could be handed out is similar to what they could get at a court-martial..Now..that being said...I believe they should get the max allowed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which has already been said.

Er, actually, yes, around 20 of them were, at least two frankly admitted by the US. Murdered, that is. While in our custody. And, to be fair, in those pictures released, the predominate color of the US soldier was white.

There have been quite a few deaths in custody, there have even been photos published of that stuff. Prisoners being beaten, strangled and suffocated to death. Not to mention some rapes, and it appears, abuse of children, though this last bit has not been formally confirmed yet.

It will be interesting to see what sentences will be given for that stuff. I am quite confident that their severity will be far, far lesser than what those people would be getting for doing the same to white American citizens.

This whole damn war is stupid. I can't wait until Bush is out of office.

You know, the best years of the stock market was when Clinton was our president. And John Kerry is using some of Clinton's advice and representatives to help fix the economy. So I want that guy in office as soon as possible.

"If convicted of all charges, Sivits could face one year in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay for a year, a fine or a bad conduct discharge, military officials said. Penalties could include only one, all or any combination of those punishments, officials said."


Thats bloody appalling! Thats barely a slap on the wrists! There are people who get more than that for smoking a joint for god's sakes!
However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally. Besides, what role did this Mr. Sivits play?

Everyone who participated in this prison affair should be shot right away!

However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally.
That's like being fired for gross negligence or incompetence from any job. It's like a policeman beating the sh*t out of a bunch of people he has arrested, and simply getting fired without further criminal proceedings. Which, to be fair, happens a lot everywhere.

However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally.
That's like being fired for gross negligence or incompetence from any job. It's like a policeman beating the sh*t out of a bunch of people he has arrested, and simply getting fired without further criminal proceedings. Which, to be fair, happens a lot everywhere.
However, being fired from those jobs isn't a good thing on your resume. Especially with some jail time, as this Sivits guy will probably get.

However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally.
That's like being fired for gross negligence or incompetence from any job. It's like a policeman beating the sh*t out of a bunch of people he has arrested, and simply getting fired without further criminal proceedings. Which, to be fair, happens a lot everywhere.
However, being fired from those jobs isn't a good thing on your resume. Especially with some jail time, as this Sivits guy will probably get.

However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally.
That's like being fired for gross negligence or incompetence from any job. It's like a policeman beating the sh*t out of a bunch of people he has arrested, and simply getting fired without further criminal proceedings. Which, to be fair, happens a lot everywhere.
However, being fired from those jobs isn't a good thing on your resume. Especially with some jail time, as this Sivits guy will probably get.

So why doesn't the police just "dishonorably discharge" rapists and serial-killers? I mean...It's bad and...ummm...They won't find a job. :roll:

Amen to that! I don't know if the military can give the death penalty, but if they can, they should do it. Burn these pricks alive.
The death penalty should never be an option.

Amen to that! I don't know if the military can give the death penalty, but if they can, they should do it. Burn these pricks alive.
The death penalty should never be an option.

I heartily agree! Two wrongs never make a right. Period.

However, if he is dishonorably discharged, as discussed in the penalties, it's pretty severe. Being dishonorably discharged means that no one will hire the person, generally.
That's like being fired for gross negligence or incompetence from any job. It's like a policeman beating the sh*t out of a bunch of people he has arrested, and simply getting fired without further criminal proceedings. Which, to be fair, happens a lot everywhere.
However, being fired from those jobs isn't a good thing on your resume. Especially with some jail time, as this Sivits guy will probably get.

So why doesn't the police just "dishonorably discharge" rapists and serial-killers? I mean...It's bad and...ummm...They won't find a job. :roll:
That's for the courts to decide. But I wasn't defending the soldier's actions, or saying that the punishment was right. However, I was trying to say that dishonorable discharge isn't a slap on the wrist. It's more like a bitch slap.

Thank gosh these soldiers are being punished!

Thank gosh these soldiers are being punished!
We'll have to wait and see how the first couple of trials turn out. If they only get a reprimand and a demotion, world opinion will not be pretty.

Thank gosh these soldiers are being punished!
We'll have to wait and see how the first couple of trials turn out. If they only get a reprimand and a demotion, world opinion will not be pretty.

Trust me, they're going to see bigger results on the citizen's part if that's the case.

Although I can hope.