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A thought just enterd my head ; Is America a moder British empire that dominates the world ??

A thought just enterd my head ; Is America a moder British empire that dominates the world ??

1. Yes
2. get better spelling puppet

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!


were it not for the fact that it takes oh so long to do i would write whats wrong with America. for a snapshot read "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore, he knows a lot, some of what he says is bullshit but most of it on America in that book is spot on, also you are one of the least deomcratic societies the world has ever known, especially as your "President" didnt even win the election.

Also, If you want to be a new British Empire, you need to seriously advance the world on the scale of the industrial revolution, abolition of slavery, or equal rights.

Indeed, it is far from the glory of the British Empire, but it is the nearest thing to an imperial state in modern times.

Great Leveller, America IS a democracy, but as Socrates observed over 2000 years ago democracy is an extremely impure state, on the divided line it is only one step away from tyranny.

Indeed, it is far from the glory of the British Empire, but it is the nearest thing to an imperial state in modern times.

Great Leveller, America IS a democracy, but as Socrates observed over 2000 years ago democracy is an extremely impure state, on the divided line it is only one step away from tyranny.

I never said it wasn't. But he/she claimed "The USA is the most democratic society in this world," which it isn't.

although there were the problems of class at the time and various ohter mishaps, there has never been or will be for that matter a power that could ever match the scale of the british empire, not even America for all its material wealth and manpower, the British army has always been known since it was established as a full time army to be the best fighting force in the world.

Exactly They don't even get who they vote for in power.
No nation is democratically perfect, but America has a long way to go.

Ahem. Mongols > Rome > Britain, as far as empires are concerned. The Mongols beat the living stuffing out of everyone they came across, and their empire stretched from Poland to the Sea of China.

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The Roman Empire was not invincible. Nor nearly as big as the British Empire. Mongolian Empire was larger, but was less populace, even relatively.

you are one of the least deomcratic societies the world has ever known, especially as your "President" didnt even win the election.
Thats news to me. Of course what could I expect from someone who reads Mr. Moore seriously. :roll:

But he got less votes. That means he lost, no matter which way you spin it.

No, because Plurality isn't the system the US uses.

Then you negate your own point. It's not the most democratic, as it does not accurately represent the votes of the people.

No system accurately represents the views of the people 100% of the time, Condorcet's voting paradox shows that.

That system more than most however.
Could you explain how Dubya did win the election?

The electoral college.

Its not perfect, and it wasn't myself who stated the US was the most democratic country in the world. I was just saying that it wasn't one of the "least deomcratic societies the world has ever known" (direct quote).

If Al Gore had somehow gotten the election, he wouldn't have accurately reflected the will of the people either - as he got less than 50% of the votes. He would've been the greatest minority. In fact, the last person to get a majority was George H. W. Bush in '88.

I know, but I'd rather have the greatest minority than one who isn't even that. I didn't suggest that was what you said, but I had assumed that you were arguing that case.

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

Apart from: Executions, shit education, ignorant citizens, the choice of 2 whole parties to vote for, gun problem, crime problem, obesity problem, racism problem, corrupt politician problem, awful media that keeps the masses in a zombie-like trance, being hated throughout the world, warmongering, pollution problem...etc.

If you don't count these things...sure, it's the most democratic and successfull society today.

As the free nation gradually ensures its grip on information flow, it has guaranteed its slip into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information for in his heart he dreams himself your master.....

i live in america. its pretty cool.

:shock: I live in America too... and it really isn't.

:shock: I live in America too... and it really isn't.

its because i have low expectations for my town that are usually fulfilled.

Just to comment on America's military strength in comparison with other nations', no nation, with the exception of maybe the Mongols has had greater control of the world than the US.

While the British Empire was strong, they were largely overrated by the British public, they had a lot of territory, but they weren't all powerful like the US. In my opinion, in order to be a Super Power, a nation should literaly be able to take on at least 75% of the world and win, right now only the US can do that.

And to top it off, the UN has now classified the US as a 'hyperpower' and stronger than almost the entire world combined.

Don't talk BS. The U.S could never take out 3/4 of the world. You couldn't take vietnam. Unless you somehow don't count Russia, China, Britain. If those three combined you would be annihilated. The British Empire controlled 1/5 of the world, and 1/5 of its populace. That's more than China, relatively. More land than Russia. We told nations what to do by sailing warships into their port. We got decadent and lazy by the 20th century though. A fully kitted up Britain would have smshed Hitler. We weren't though.

I think we are seeing the crumbling on the "American Empire". Bush is putting nails in the American coffin as we speak, and, if you want my opinon, this "war on terror" will probably be then down fall of America. Since 9/11, the US has declaired war on all terrorist states/organisation etc and all we hear on the news is the same old shit about iraq and North Korea.

If the US goes to war with North Korea in the next two years, by 2006 we will be seeing a new superpower. A war with a country like North Korea is going to cost the US alot.

The sad thing is, is that nearly all middle eastern/Islamic states have stated how much they hate America. Even American Citzens are hated just because they are American.

It doesn't matter who the Americans vote into office, Kerry or Bush we'll end up being the last president controlling the American superpower. I would even go as far as saying that America stated to crumble during the Clinton administration.

A thought just enterd my head ; Is America a moder British empire that dominates the world ??

Someone is a bit slow. Yes, unfortunatly America has been an empire since after the second world war.

We are an incredibly crappy and beligerent empire, but an empire nonetheless. We actually have nothing to offer, no freedom, no justice, and civil rights went out the window with the last election going to our Nazi party [republicans]. Please help overthrow this terrible yoke on the world. I really hate it here, even if I do have the lxury of being on the enlightened coast line.

By the way, we have no economy, we simply maintain it like we maintain all other aspects of society... bullying. Hopefully you can stop us before we strike more nations. :p

Im serious, by the way.

Help. I really need to get out of the hellhole before the sh!t hits the fan, and Europe grows some balls. I can't stand much more of these fake Christian hypocrits with their pollution, confinement, suppression, and sheer ignorance. :cry:

Don't worry, just move out soon if i was you, 'cause North Korea will probably end up nuking America soon :D

It doesn't matter who the Americans vote into office, Kerry or Bush we'll end up being the last president controlling the American superpower. I would even go as far as saying that America stated to crumble during the Clinton administration.

As much as I hate Democrats, I'd have to say Clinton did a pretty good job for a conservative. He did protect the environment, and he did maintain some semblance of peace in the east, and I'm pretty sure we had a surplus to completly rid us of war debts by 2010.
He also signed a bunch of disarmament treaties and kept things relatively peaceful.

He didn't spend enough money on education though, and he could have better secured some civil rights.

I wish John Buchannen had won for Republican primary, of course, he was too republican, and not Nazi enough for the neo-GOP.

Don't talk BS. The U.S could never take out 3/4 of the world. You couldn't take vietnam. Unless you somehow don't count Russia, China, Britain. If those three combined you would be annihilated. The British Empire controlled 1/5 of the world, and 1/5 of its populace. That's more than China, relatively. More land than Russia. We told nations what to do by sailing warships into their port. We got decadent and lazy by the 20th century though. A fully kitted up Britain would have smshed Hitler. We weren't though.

You don't believe so? Very soon, we will have our Missile Defense perfected, and at the push of a certain red button.....

Russia, China, and Britain...Is this a joke. Russia could no longer compete with the US and it's armed forces are not even close to the technological level that the US is at. China isn't much better, their tech level isn't on par with the US, and their huge force would be easily targeted and destroyed by cruise missiles.

I guess you could say that Britian presents the only real challenge, however, their Royal Navy has fallen from glory and would be utterly destroyed at the hands of the US Navy.

The US Navy could easily knock out China, Britian, and Russia's Navies. I'll admit, the US Army is a bit overrun with trash, but the US Marines are top notch.

If the US had the backing of the American public, and go into total war mode, there's no war they can't win, in WWII the US carried the Allies on it's back. The USSR could have never go into Berlin without the American lend-lease program, and Britain might have very easily fallen without US supply ships. America single-handidly beat the crap out of Japan and successfuly fought and won a two front war, thousands of miles from their homeland.

Even in Vietnam when the US had the backing of 40% of the American public (friggin hippies) we still managed to kill 1.7 million Vietnamese.

Frankly put, the US industry, technology, and will power can not be equaled.

Don't worry, just move out soon if i was you, 'cause North Korea will probably end up nuking America soon :D

I hope they leave all the animals alone. All the wildlife. Tis so sad... This land used to look so wonderous. At least that's what the homeless decendent of a Native American told me. :p
lmao.

But seriously, please do. Just bomb the bible belt and things should clear up fine. Leave the coasts alone, as the smartest people live there.

I didn't say kindest, the kindest are in the deep south, intermingling with the slave owners, who still think the confederacy won.

I think we are seeing the crumbling on the "American Empire". Bush is putting nails in the American coffin as we speak, and, if you want my opinon, this "war on terror" will probably be then down fall of America. Since 9/11, the US has declaired war on all terrorist states/organisation etc and all we hear on the news is the same old shit about iraq and North Korea.

If the US goes to war with North Korea in the next two years, by 2006 we will be seeing a new superpower. A war with a country like North Korea is going to cost the US alot.

The sad thing is, is that nearly all middle eastern/Islamic states have stated how much they hate America. Even American Citzens are hated just because they are American.

It doesn't matter who the Americans vote into office, Kerry or Bush we'll end up being the last president controlling the American superpower. I would even go as far as saying that America stated to crumble during the Clinton administration.

LoL, you don't know much about SK do you?

If the US went to war with NK, they would be beaten in about 8 months with the help of South Korea. In fact, South Korea alone could overpower their counterparts, and with the help of their American allies, would pound them into the ground.

If you think America is going to fall as soon as four years, you are wanting the return of the British Empire too badly.

If you think America is going to fall as soon as four years, you are wanting the return of the British Empire too badly.

I just want anyone but us. We are far too unweildy to be trusted as an empire. We need to learn to cooperate and disarm just like everyone else. Because when you get a bully like Bush, and a bunch of dogmatic Christian Nazis, there is no telling who might wind up getting killed next. It's like how the fourth crusade ended up with the sacking of byzantine (or whichever crusade it was).

Don't talk BS. The U.S could never take out 3/4 of the world. You couldn't take vietnam. Unless you somehow don't count Russia, China, Britain. If those three combined you would be annihilated. The British Empire controlled 1/5 of the world, and 1/5 of its populace. That's more than China, relatively. More land than Russia. We told nations what to do by sailing warships into their port. We got decadent and lazy by the 20th century though. A fully kitted up Britain would have smshed Hitler. We weren't though.

You don't believe so? Very soon, we will have our Missile Defense perfected, and at the push of a certain red button.....

Russia, China, and Britain...Is this a joke. Russia could no longer compete with the US and it's armed forces are not even close to the technological level that the US is at. China isn't much better, their tech level isn't on par with the US, and their huge force would be easily targeted and destroyed by cruise missiles.

I guess you could say that Britian presents the only real challenge, however, their Royal Navy has fallen from glory and would be utterly destroyed at the hands of the US Navy.

The US Navy could easily knock out China, Britian, and Russia's Navies. I'll admit, the US Army is a bit overrun with trash, but the US Marines are top notch.

If the US had the backing of the American public, and go into total war mode, there's no war they can't win, in WWII the US carried the Allies on it's back. The USSR could have never go into Berlin without the American lend-lease program, and Britain might have very easily fallen without US supply ships. America single-handidly beat the crap out of Japan and successfuly fought and won a two front war, thousands of miles from their homeland.

Even in Vietnam when the US had the backing of 40% of the American public (friggin hippies) we still managed to kill 1.7 million Vietnamese.

Frankly put, the US industry, technology, and will power can not be equaled.

Um please Mr Ego STFU. I find it very amusing that America when tellin North Korea to Disarm its nuclear arsenal to a reply from North Korea of Fuck off or we'll go to war with you then backed off....very fkin fast. Super Power eh. Shit Scared more like. Hmm wonder why this could be. I know cos your highly overrated country of the US of A is well within range of Nuclear missiles from North Korea where as say um....Iraq isn't. Well My money is on North Korea winning and hate to say it as everyone over the age of 18 has done at least 2 years of military service and those damn weird slanty eyed individuals are well inlove with their emperor which is more than can be said for the USA and Dubya at present I'm betting that The North koreans would do anything to protect thier little eutopia, including nuking your ever so flabby and overweight ass.

Shinoxia, you aren't giving the Russians much credit. The reason they got so poor is because they spent all their money on defense. That means good weapons. The Russian fighters that the U.S has fought recently were ancient, so not very good. There were wargames recently, in which 1 UK submarine, a trafalgar class, sneaked into a carrier fleet and sunk the carrier, without being spotted. (can't remember whether it got away, but I know which side got the better deal.) You can't see a trafalgar unless you are a: very lucky, or b, spot it visually.
When a primitive SDI can stop about 30 thousand warheads, let me know.
America did not beat Japan singlehandedly. *coughcoughBurmacough*
You dodged my question on vietnam. The point was not to kill civilians, but to stop it turning communist. Last time I checked, vietnam was red.
The U.S had a significant advantage in world war 2. I think it should be mentioned. NOBODY DROPPED BOMBS ON YOUR CITIES OR FACTORIES. That, believe it or not, is an important factor.

If the US went to war with NK, they would be beaten in about 8 months with the help of South Korea. In fact, South Korea alone could overpower their counterparts, and with the help of their American allies, would pound them into the ground.

If you think America is going to fall as soon as four years, you are wanting the return of the British Empire too badly.

8 months? In 8 months America will probably wipe out half its army due to friendly fire. America isn't so great and powerful as it used to be. And no im not wanting a return of the British Empire, the years of imperialism have long died.

America's motto is "shoot now, ask questions later", the first causties of the war were britsh/american troops which we killed by american troops. Dear god, can't you boys tell the difference between a brit and a iraqi?

The world was fighting terrorism long before America came along. The french were fighting terrorism when America was training terrorist in Afghanistan. Then 9/11 happened and OH NO!! what a tragedy!!. If 9/11 happened to another country, America wouldn't have given two shits. Take the madrid bombing, how many times was that covered in the states? hell, 9/11 was still get covered. America expects everyone to feel sorry when something bad happens to them, but when its the other way aound, your country does care.

As the man above me said and to add a bit, funny how until the US of A went into the South American jungle and found IRA members training armed guerillas to fight against the USA that you actually supported the IRA. And We the UK are supposed to be your greatest ally. Must be a bitch when you get slapped back huh. I feel sorry about 9/11 i cried when i saw it happening but sad though it is to say you needed that wake up call to see that the grass on the other side of the fence has been fighting to prevent that kinda thing since the late 1950's. Shame so many had to die for your stupid ass country to realise that, also a shame those that died were innocents if only they had got Dubya maybe all this shit would never of happened. One man 2 wars and a shit load of trouble follows. You will eventually reap what you sow, or in a plain term for you What goes around comes around.

Incidentally if you killed so many Vietnamese why did you lose the war? Guess killing lots of people doesn't make you any smarter eh. And I'm guessin 3 years till America gets their ass well and deservedly kicked. I suggest you start reading up on how to build a strong and safe nuclear bunker and put all ya food in it cos your gonna be needing it soon. The higher the pedestal the greater the fall. Try this site www.howtosaveyoursorryassfromthewrathoftheworld.com its a good read.

And I'm guessin 3 years till America gets their ass well and deservedly kicked. I suggest you start reading up on how to build a strong and safe nuclear bunker and put all ya food in it cos your gonna be needing it soon


I would say less then 3 years. Even though my posts look anti-american, im not, just don't like the government thats all. :D

But he got less votes. That means he lost, no matter which way you spin it.
While he didn't win the popular vote, Bush did get constitutionally elected by the electoral college. There was a firestorm about how to vote in presidents back in 1789, and the electoral college was based off a compromise.

Incidentally if you killed so many Vietnamese why did you lose the war?
Because Lyndon Johnson was a horrible President and, instead of taking numerous chances to end the war fully, he didn't. In one big bombing raid, he could've destroyed nearly all of the North's oil supplies, but he didn't - for fear of hurting a few "neutral" Ruskies. Besides politicans meddling in military affairs, pot-smoking hippies got brainwashed by the liberal anti-war media and started protesting en masse.

Anyone suggesting that North Korea could seriously beat the USA needs a reality check. North Korea is under the thumb of an unpopular dictoral madman who regularly keeps nearly his whole country in a state of famine while feeding his troops and giving himself feasts every night. Not only is his country armed with equipment barely post-WW2 level in technology, while the ROK Army is one of the most advanced in the world, but he has at max Eight nuclear weapons. These could reach the West coast of the USA. If an SDI defense does work, though, we're not seeing the defenses being flooded by mass amounts of Soviet missles, we're talking less than a dozen. Heck, even enough Patriot II missles in the right place would be able to, most likely, shoot them down.

Anyone suggesting that North Korea could seriously beat the USA needs a reality check.

Anyone suggest America is a good country needs a reality check.

Anyone suggesting that North Korea could seriously beat the USA needs a reality check.

Anyone suggest America is a good country needs a reality check.

I thought you just hated our government. At least you show your true colors. :roll:

Incidentally if you killed so many Vietnamese why did you lose the war? Guess killing lots of people doesn't make you any smarter eh. And I'm guessin 3 years till America gets their ass well and deservedly kicked. I suggest you start reading up on how to build a strong and safe nuclear bunker and put all ya food in it cos your gonna be needing it soon. The higher the pedestal the greater the fall. Try this site www.howtosaveyoursorryassfromthewrathoftheworld.com its a good read.
The reason why we didn't win Vietnam was because of politics. While it is true more Vietnamese were killed than Americans, American forces couldn't advance beyond the 20th paralell, the border with North Vietnam. If the troops were allowed to advance to Hanoi, we'd take the city in a few months, Ho Chi Mihn would run, and the Viet Cong would be impotent. While that wouldn't gurantee us victory, it would've made its prospects better.

I thought you just hated our government. At least you show your true colors. :roll:

I don't have a problem with American people, atleast their more polite then a english men :roll:

but as Socrates observed over 2000 years ago democracy is an extremely impure state, on the divided line it is only one step away from tyranny.

bah. those words were plato's, and plato thought that we should be ruled by plato.

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Democratic??? Bush are a soon of your democracy (and the Florida) :lol:

um Kwagista if thats the case why are the USA so afariad of disarming this so called mad man who's people hate him??? Hmm go figure that one out sonny whilst I read another book on how to conquer the world by George Dubya Bush.

3 years and counting until the fall of America :lol:

were it not for the fact that it takes oh so long to do i would write whats wrong with America. for a snapshot read "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore, he knows a lot, some of what he says is bullshit but most of it on America in that book is spot on, also you are one of the least deomcratic societies the world has ever known, especially as your "President" didnt even win the election.

Michael Moore is nothing. Read Noam Chomsky, Greg Palast, or William Blum, Michael Moore is a waste of time.
Don't talk BS. The U.S could never take out 3/4 of the world. You couldn't take vietnam. Unless you somehow don't count Russia, China, Britain. If those three combined you would be annihilated. The British Empire controlled 1/5 of the world, and 1/5 of its populace. That's more than China, relatively. More land than Russia. We told nations what to do by sailing warships into their port. We got decadent and lazy by the 20th century though. A fully kitted up Britain would have smshed Hitler. We weren't though.

HAHAHAHA, the U.S. did not lose Viet Nam because it didn't have superior military force. It lost the war because finally the general population suffered from the "Vietnam syndrome." The U.S. war lacked support from the population, that's one of the reasons the U.S. didn't send 200,000 more troops to the country in 1968, because they felt they would need them for "civil disorder control."

You do not understand the methods of the U.S. It does not waste its resources on conquering land in the way Britain did. It installs local collaborators and hires mercenaries for them to slaughter the local population. It costs less that way.

And you sound like you praise the actions of the British Empire. Such praise is reminiscent of fascism. The U.S. is an offshoot of the British Empire, and both unleash massive suffering around the world, those actions should be despised.

Even in Vietnam when the US had the backing of 40% of the American public (friggin hippies) we still managed to kill 1.7 million Vietnamese.

It's probably more like 3 to 4 million, if you count the deaths the U.S. caused. It's revealing to know you enjoy slaughtering peasents.

um Kwagista if thats the case why are the USA so afariad of disarming this so called mad man who's people hate him??? Hmm go figure that one out sonny whilst I read another book on how to conquer the world by George Dubya Bush.

Because, if we attacked him whats to say he wouldn't kill a hundred million people by launched nukes at the some ofmost populous places on the face of the planet? Like Toyko, Seoul, Osaka... Plus, despite what some of you may think we don't go around declaring war on everyone at a whim.

Plus, despite what some of you may think we don't go around declaring war on everyone at a whim.

are you sure about that??
:roll:

While he didn't win the popular vote, Bush did get constitutionally elected by the electoral college. There was a firestorm about how to vote in presidents back in 1789, and the electoral college was based off a compromise.

except that if there ever was an election where the electoral college results could have reasonably been disputed, 2000 was it. we had statistical ties in several states accounting for at least 55 electoral votes - i don't know what the exact margin of error is, but it is not less than 1%.

As soon as I hear the name "Noam Chomsky" thrown around in a serious tone, I know I'm dealing with a pack of dipshits. America is going to be beaten by WHOM within in three years?

North Korea? They have a large army, but they can barely feed it, and it's hardware is older than dirt. Logistics being what they are, the North Korean army would probably starve to death on the march if it invaded the South. They can wave their nuclear weapons around, but so what? What are they actually going to do? Wake up one day and nuke South Korea, just for the hell of it? Doubtful. They've had chemical weapons within range of Seoul for decades, without ever doing anything that stupid.

Ignore the North Koreans, and you render them powerless. Ignore them, and suddenly they have only three choices: Negotiate, do nothing, or commit suicide by launching a surprise nuclear/chemical attack. So far they've chosen to do nothing (except talk, of course) but the only ones suffering for it are the North Korean people.

Regarding this completely insane "USA vs UK, Russia, China" scenario: Combined enemy navy is sent to the bottom of the sea in short order, after which the war becomes a stalemate. The US can't conquer the world, but neither can the world conquer the US.

i know that the UK Russia China vs the USA is ridiculous, but so is supposing that the U.S.A can declare war on everyone at the same time, and win. I just formulated the next 3 most powerful nations and put them against the U.S as an example. As I said before, our navy may be small now, but it is still excellent. Admittedly it would be sunk, but not in short order, and not before it done damage to the U.S.A fleet.

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

The USA is the most democratic society in this world

That is simply laughable. Not even close!

Noam Chomsky IS THE GREETEST! Fear and Love him!

Anyway. People Reckon NK is a problem But it aint. It all goes back to when NK returned Those Japanese Kidnapped People.
See people Say Northkorea is the Last Stalinist State left in the world, but its not. They realised their economic system was not Viable, not difficult to catch since they couldnt even afford to feed themselves. So they entered into Negotiations With China the U.S and others to establish a Free Market zone in the north of the country, probably near the same place where that train crash was.

They were all sitting around the negotiations Table getting chummy and Acts of good faith were flying all around. Then In a fit of misguided Honesty they admited to not playing by the rules in the nuclear department. And that put a sudden stifle over the evenings proceedings. So the U.S left the table. And It sorta fell apart. So for all this time Jhong Ill has been playing Brinkmanship because he has nothing to loose and trying to get the U.S back and get this Desperately needed Market place going and the U.S.A has been saying "No, Do as we tell you and then maybe We'll think about it"

The Negotiations have been stopping and starting since then. The U.S could compromise and finish the damn thing. So If L.A gts nuked, Apart from Singing the Praises of Bush's name :twisted: you'll know not to Re-elect him Because you'll know it was His fault.

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

if it is not then who is?

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

The USA is the most democratic society in this world

That is simply laughable. Not even close!

yes it is. Which country is more democratic?

Britain. France. Germany. Japan. Spain. Belgium. Canada.
Australia. South Africa. Turkey. Italy. Poland. India. Republic of China (Taiwan) Egypt. Austria. Portugal. Need I go on?

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Because Lyndon Johnson was a horrible President and, instead of taking numerous chances to end the war fully, he didn't. In one big bombing raid, he could've destroyed nearly all of the North's oil supplies, but he didn't - for fear of hurting a few "neutral" Ruskies. Besides politicans meddling in military affairs, pot-smoking hippies got brainwashed by the liberal anti-war media and started protesting en masse.

Anyone suggesting that North Korea could seriously beat the USA needs a reality check. North Korea is under the thumb of an unpopular dictoral madman who regularly keeps nearly his whole country in a state of famine while feeding his troops and giving himself feasts every night. Not only is his country armed with equipment barely post-WW2 level in technology, while the ROK Army is one of the most advanced in the world, but he has at max Eight nuclear weapons. These could reach the West coast of the USA. If an SDI defense does work, though, we're not seeing the defenses being flooded by mass amounts of Soviet missles, we're talking less than a dozen. Heck, even enough Patriot II missles in the right place would be able to, most likely, shoot them down.

thank God I think I just found a sane person. Kwangistar I agree with you.

The USA is the most democratic society in this world... and the most powerfull! We have an american empire in that sense, that it is the most successfull society today!!

Sure it is :roll:

if it is not then who is?

I can think of quite a few countries that are more free then the United States and don't even call you unpatriotic if you disagree with your government, in fact I live in such a country. It's called Canada, then you have the Netherlands.. New Zealand ... Oh, quite a few trust me.

Britain. France. Germany. Japan. Spain. Belgium. Canada.
Australia. South Africa. Turkey. Italy. Poland. India. Republic of China (Taiwan) Egypt. Austria. Portugal. Need I go on?

ahahahhaha

alright I will destroy one of your examples. In Germany you can't run on the Nazi platform and it is against the law to proclaim yourself a Nazi.....free speech I think not

Yeah. Most nations in the world are quite democratic. It's just because I can't remember most things that the list wasn't longer.

Turkey? China? WTF!

Yeah. Most nations in the world are quite democratic. It's just because I can't remember most things that the list wasn't longer.

no. You see in America we have the right to be idoits. I know it sounds weird but it is true. We have the right to belive whatever the hell it is that we want. You can't say that about alot of countries esp. Germany.

If I had said the peoples republic of China, you would be right to disagree. I said the republic though. And in brackets next to it I wrote Taiwan. Turkey is a democracy.
Hommen, in America it is political suicide to call yourself a communist. Free speech I think not.

Britain. France. Germany. Japan. Spain. Belgium. Canada.
Australia. South Africa. Turkey. Italy. Poland. India. Republic of China (Taiwan) Egypt. Austria. Portugal. Need I go on?

ahahahhaha

alright I will destroy one of your examples. In Germany you can't run on the Nazi platform and it is against the law to proclaim yourself a Nazi.....free speech I think not

Unfortunately you have to destroy all the examples plus any other suggestions put forward.

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

Turkey? China? WTF!

yeah who said turkey or china that was just stupid of them. human rights in china thats funny. democracy in china even funnier!

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

alright prove it. I belive America has the most rights. I bet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

yeah who said that there is only one nation called China was stupid of them. There are 2. I'll say their names slowly to avoid confusion.
Peoples. Republic. Of. China. (not a democracy)
Republic. Of. China. (A democracy!)
How is Turkey undemocratic?

yeah who said that there is only one nation called China was stupid of them. There are 2. I'll say their names slowly to avoid confusion.
Peoples. Republic. Of. China. (not a democracy)
Republic. Of. China. (A democracy!)
How is Turkey undemocratic?


Where is the Republic of China in comparison to the real China do u mean Thailand? If so stop calling it China I am sure the people of Thailand would be upset with you.

If I had said the peoples republic of China, you would be right to disagree. I said the republic though. And in brackets next to it I wrote Taiwan. Turkey is a democracy.
Hommen, in America it is political suicide to call yourself a communist. Free speech I think not.Free speech exactly, you are free to proclaim yourself a Communist and people are free to deem you unfit to serve in public office. How could it be more free? Free speech insures that one can speak ones mind, in no way that that excuse one from consequences.

Alright according the Freedom in the world database......America is great in all rights and freedoms....but are others.. I am only saying this to ell the China lover that China got a 7, the worst. and that they only made mention of one china

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

alright prove it. I belive America has the most rights. I bet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

I like to take the Line that people Have "Rights" under even the Harshest of Dictatorships. Is only up to you wether ot not you Piss off the government. The United States Treats its prisoners Appaulingly keeping Their Prisons in bad shape Culturally and throwing people into Solitary confinement years at a time which tends to send them insane Sounds like torture to me. And lets not forget all that naughtyness comitted by U.S troops At Abu Gharib, Which Ultimately was probably Half U.S policy.

The U.S IS in violation of Human rights treaties.

I mean the republic of China as in Taiwan, and not Thailand. They would not be unhappy with me, as that is their name. The island used to be called Taiwan. 2 seperate nations now.

Deeloleo. It is not just political suicide. It can make you a pariah in a community. it is the same as nazism in Germany. The only difference, is that one nation has a bit of paper declaring it illegal, and the other doesn't.

If I had said the peoples republic of China, you would be right to disagree. I said the republic though. And in brackets next to it I wrote Taiwan. Turkey is a democracy.
Hommen, in America it is political suicide to call yourself a communist. Free speech I think not.Free speech exactly, you are free to proclaim yourself a Communist and people are free to deem you unfit to serve in public office. How could it be more free? Free speech insures that one can speak ones mind, in no way that that excuse one from consequences.

exactly Jordeaxia, it does not matter what public opion is. if you want to be a communist you can. the people don't have to like it for it to be conisdered free speech.

And Turkey has a shitty Human rights Record, and the Democracy aint too good either.

And Turkey has a shitty Human rights Record, and the Democracy aint too good either.

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

alright prove it. I belive America has the most rights. I bet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

I like to take the Line that people Have "Rights" under even the Harshest of Dictatorships. Is only up to you wether ot not you Piss off the government. The United States Treats its prisoners Appaulingly keeping Their Prisons in bad shape Culturally and throwing people into Solitary confinement years at a time which tends to send them insane Sounds like torture to me. And lets not forget all that naughtyness comitted by U.S troops At Abu Gharib, Which Ultimately was probably Half U.S policy.

The U.S IS in violation of Human rights treaties.None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

I mean the republic of China as in Taiwan, and not Thailand. They would not be unhappy with me, as that is their name. The island used to be called Taiwan. 2 seperate nations now.

Deeloleo. It is not just political suicide. It can make you a pariah in a community. it is the same as nazism in Germany. The only difference, is that one nation has a bit of paper declaring it illegal, and the other doesn't.

No not just paper work. fines. possibel jail time depending on how zelous you are. it is a completly different story. I know people who are all for communism. they are not social pariahs they have groups. there is an American Communist Party. It does have members it is a legal party.

And Turkey has a shitty Human rights Record, and the Democracy aint too good either.

yeah an on the freedom for the world ranking list Turkey got a 4. The ranking goes 1 to 7. one being the best and 7 being the worst. Ukraine also got a 4

And Turkey has a shitty Human rights Record, and the Democracy aint too good either.

yeah an on the freedom for the world ranking list Turkey got a 4. The ranking goes 1 to 7. one being the best and 7 being the worst. Ukraine also got a 4

Maybe you should look at this list:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/usa/reports.do

Not all the links, just some.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

None of what you wrote about prisons in the US is true. I know first-hand.

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done. You people love to say that Americans get thier facts from Hollywood, but in this case it is you that has seen too many movies.

Is it illegal to take a man throw him solitary and then let him out and arbitrarally throw him back in?

I havnt been watching any movies about this, I have been reading articles.
Its not all that unheard of. Israel does it too. They kept Mordechai Vinunnu in there for years at a time. Cant have him Divulging State secrets to Bank robbers and rapists.

Is it illegal to take a man throw him solitary and then let him out and arbitrarally throw him back in?

I havnt been watching any movies about this, I have been reading articles.
Its not all that unheard of. Israel does it too. They kept Mordechai Vinunnu in there for years at a time. Cant have him Divulging State secrets to Bank robbers and rapists.Have you ever been in prison? If not, you are 29 months and 30 days short of knowing as much about prison as I do.

I fail to see how you spending any time in a prison either as an inmate or a guard qualifys you to inform us of conditions. Each prison is dfferent but all that asides. I dont need your opinion, I can refer to Official U.S Policy for that.

And who the Hell is "You people"?

How on earth did that possibly answer his question? Mordechai Vanunu was a whistleblower who did the job of the IAEA and notified the public about ONE of Israel's breaches of United Nation's resolutions: proliferation of WMDs

(They also illegally hold land; regularly torture 'insurgents and use unbalanced and disproportionate force in civilian areas - sound familiar?)

Israel DID hold him in solitary for an unprecedented duration and then return him to solitary in a flagrant breach of human rights!

Aside from anything else it is America's support for such regimes that makes them such a focus of hatred throughout the thinking world.

Whilst I’m on the subject: Webster's Dictionary has re-coined the word 'anti-Semitism' to include the definition 'sympathy to those who are at odds with the state of Israel'!!! Now is that some Orwellian linguistic debauchery or what??? (That was a rhetorical question - the answer is yes!)

Finally, can all of those people who hold the view that America is a bastion of democracy truly say that they are happy with the implications of the PATRIOT Act? if you're not in the know then this bill was in the pipelines even before the first Bush escapade and was a cornerstone of the Project for a New American Century, in essence it a means to achieve Total Information Awareness through recording and analysing all economic data and telecommunications, not from hostile states, but from the American Public. Unfortunately this appeared to be consigned to the scrap heap of history as:
a) The bill hadn't a chance of going through Congress, and
b) The amount and variability of the data was too much to reliably sieve through.

Well, with the boom of digitally encoded text after the military ARPANET gave was to the NSFNET and then morphed into the Internet that we all know and love the whole project didn't seem so ludicrous! Digitally encoded text was infinitely easier to search through and even with the decentralised system of the Internet that breaks up messages and sends them over several routes to get to a destination, all broken data passes through US government and intelligence systems and so handling the data suddenly became a possibility.
The last hurdle was to get the bill through congress and in the wake of 9/11 the vision became reality as the Act was sold to the American Public as a new way to fight terrorism.

Effectively you lucky, lucky, free people can now have any and all of your communications monitored without probable cause, your bank accounts analysed and frozen without any charges brought against you and you can be detained indefinitely without trial!!! Library records are also available to scrutiny by any Federal official and you will never be notified of any such action taken against you!!!!

Jesus, you really are the Freest nation on the planet! Free from worry about your megalomaniacal government! Free from a National Health Service! Free from decent state education! Free from regulations pertaining to the rights of the child! Free from restrictions on where you place your landmines (that every other nation on the planet - except North Korea - are now bound by)! Free from dissenting voices being presented to the public (referring to Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 not being released by Disney)........ So many freedoms!

How on earth did that possibly answer his question? Mordechai Vanunu was a whistleblower who did the job of the IAEA and notified the public about ONE of Israel's breaches of United Nation's resolutions: proliferation of WMDs

(They also illegally hold land; regularly torture 'insurgents and use unbalanced and disproportionate force in civilian areas - sound familiar?)

Israel DID hold him in solitary for an unprecedented duration and then return him to solitary in a flagrant breach of human rights!

Aside from anything else it is America's support for such regimes that makes them such a focus of hatred throughout the thinking world.

Whilst I’m on the subject: Webster's Dictionary has re-coined the word 'anti-Semitism' to include the definition 'sympathy to those who are at odds with the state of Israel'!!! Now is that some Orwellian linguistic debauchery or what??? (That was a rhetorical question - the answer is yes!)

Finally, can all of those people who hold the view that America is a bastion of democracy truly say that they are happy with the implications of the PATRIOT Act? if you're not in the know then this bill was in the pipelines even before the first Bush escapade and was a cornerstone of the Project for a New American Century, in essence it a means to achieve Total Information Awareness through recording and analysing all economic data and telecommunications, not from hostile states, but from the American Public. Unfortunately this appeared to be consigned to the scrap heap of history as:
a) The bill hadn't a chance of going through Congress, and
b) The amount and variability of the data was too much to reliably sieve through.

Well, with the boom of digitally encoded text after the military ARPANET gave was to the NSFNET and then morphed into the Internet that we all know and love the whole project didn't seem so ludicrous! Digitally encoded text was infinitely easier to search through and even with the decentralised system of the Internet that breaks up messages and sends them over several routes to get to a destination, all broken data passes through US government and intelligence systems and so handling the data suddenly became a possibility.
The last hurdle was to get the bill through congress and in the wake of 9/11 the vision became reality as the Act was sold to the American Public as a new way to fight terrorism.

Effectively you lucky, lucky, free people can now have any and all of your communications monitored without probable cause, your bank accounts analysed and frozen without any charges brought against you and you can be detained indefinitely without trial!!! Library records are also available to scrutiny by any Federal official and you will never be notified of any such action taken against you!!!!

Jesus, you really are the Freest nation on the planet! Free from worry about your megalomaniacal government! Free from a National Health Service! Free from decent state education! Free from regulations pertaining to the rights of the child! Free from restrictions on where you place your landmines (that every other nation on the planet - except North Korea - are now bound by)! Free from dissenting voices being presented to the public (referring to Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 not being released by Disney)........ So many freedoms!

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

alright prove it. I belive America has the most rights. I bet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

None of the countries I just mentioned have the death penalty. Amnesty International speaks out often against the United States for this blatant abuse of human rights. You may agree with the death penalty, which is your right. But it doesn't negate that it's against the Declaration of human rights.

Also, don't even get me started on the Patriot act. In none of the countries I mentioned are people allowed to be detained without a lawyer and or charges being filed against them for a period of time such as in the United States.

There, I proved it.. Neither of my assertions can be disputed, they're fact!

Yeah, would love to see how the USA stacks up against The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand.. The USA hasn't a clue do they? That I suppose is the sad part.. that or simple denial.

alright prove it. I belive America has the most rights. I bet you have no proof to prove me wrong.

None of the countries I just mentioned have the death penalty. Amnesty International speaks out often against the United States for this blatant abuse of human rights. You may agree with the death penalty, which is your right. But it doesn't negate that it's against the Declaration of human rights.

Also, don't even get me started on the Patriot act. In none of the countries I mentioned are people allowed to be detained without a lawyer and or charges being filed against them for a period of time such as in the United States.

There, I proved it.. Neither of my assertions can be disputed, they're fact!

Some choice parts from various past AI reports (link supplied in a past post):

"More than 600 foreign nationals – most arrested during the military conflict in Afghanistan – were detained without charge or trial or access to counsel or family members in the US naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The USA refused to recognize them as prisoners of war or allow their status to be determined by a "competent tribunal" as required under the Geneva Conventions." 2003.

"AI and others criticized the US government for denying internationally recognized rights to people taken into custody in the context of its declared "war against terrorism" - 2003

"The US government failed to provide clarification on the whereabouts and legal status of those detained, or to provide them with their rights under international law, including the right to inform their families of their place of detention and the right of access to outside representatives. " - 2003

"The death penalty continued to be used extensively. There were reports of police brutality and unjustified police shootings and of ill-treatment in prisons and jails. Human rights groups and others voiced concern at the lack of public information given about the circumstances under which more than 1,200 people, mainly foreign nationals, were detained during investigations into the 11 September attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center."


http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/index.do check them against countries of your choice ;)

No, because Plurality isn't the system the US uses.

yah :roll:

Just because you werent thrown in solitary confinement doesnt mean someone else wasnt.Noone was in solitary for more than a month. regardless of what they'd done.

i know people who have been in solitary for longer than that. maybe we just know different segments of the prison population.

and then there are the things that aren't called solitary confinment but amount to the same thing...

And also how the hell do you know they dont put people in Solitary permanantly. By their very Definition They dont have Contact With you.

Plus, despite what some of you may think we don't go around declaring war on everyone at a whim.

are you sure about that??
:roll:

Lol I love egotystical yanks. So when 9/11 happened you were expecting that....course you were your all powerful all knowing and everywhere FUCK ME THE USA IS GOD!!!!!!

While I think about it I also have this to say.


Kwagistar STOP TALKIN ABSOLUTE BOLLOX WILL U. you live in the most egotystical big headed short sighted society full of half witted people who folow their stupid ass leader like lambs. Go out in the world and realise that you are not an all knowing nation neither are u all powerful and neither are u everywhere that would be GODS job. U just happen to be a bunch of gun ho asholes about to get their cum uppance. BTW you can tell me I'm right when it happens. BELIEVE ME YOU GUYSZ ARE GONNA GET SHAFTED JUST WAKE UP SMELL THE ROSES AND STOP PISSING THE REST OF THE CIVILISED (and uncuvilised) WORLD OFF. U wanna take a good hard look at yourselves before you try to make the world the greater states of America cos that my friend is not somewhere I wanna live. I would like to mention I am not anti america nor am i an Iraqi, Islamic fanatic nor of middle eastern descent but........you seriously need to get a seriouse perspective on ya country and stop talkin utter shit. Tell you what start a global war on terrorism and see how long your sorry ass's last without the UK, Japan, Spain, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and a whole lot of other countries backin you...go on smart ass try it....Dare u.....Nah didn't think so. Cos the USA is a bully and one about to get its come uppance and btw thats usually by some pipsqueak with nothing to lose (see earlier mention of North Korea and other fanatical dont give a shit religious countries). See its the small fish that are gonna get you, suitcase nuke, dirty bomb home made shit, remember Oklahoma he was one of yours. piss one off and you piss alot off. Maybe you should all sit back and chill abit...let them fight out their own troubles rather than jumpin in at the first chance to set the world to rights. piont made nuff said and to be honest anything any of you narrow minded americans say wont really bother me I live a very safe distance from you and certainly wont have to reap the whirlwind when it comes around. But good luck with it.....2 years 364 days and counting.

America has "The Daily Show" which automatically makes it the greatest country ever.

and America spawned Coca-Cola, Nike, Lockheed Martin and Halliburton spreading poverty, consumerism and violence over the planet 'which automatically makes it the worst country ever'

God Bless Freedom (and agent orange, sweat shops, cluster bombs...)