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This topic is about under aged sex. How can we stop under aged sex or should the minimum age be lowered, have ure say. should we stop it or allow it?

Wouldn't raising the age just create more underage sex? So, obviously, the age should be lowered. That way, there'd be no underage sex.

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

What were you thinking of?

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

:roll: Oh please! You think I started thinking NOW?

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.


Riiight. Where do you live by the way?

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

What were you thinking of?

At 13, I was probably thinking about getting stoned..lol not having sex..lol :P

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

What were you thinking of?

At 13, I was probably thinking about getting stoned..lol not having sex..lol :P

a-f***ing-men!

Although I'm not planning on it :roll:

especially after this one weirdo did it

I think it should be abolished. If it's consensual, it should be legal in my opinion. I mean if two thirteen year olds want to have sex, that's their business. Except they should video tape it. And send it to me. And that goes for everyone else......... :lol:

I think that it raises an important issue. I think the current limit should be maintained when there is a more than 6 year limit between someone of below the consent age ie a 13 yr old and 40 yr old shouldnt be allowed but a 13yr old and 14 yr old shouldnt be illegal but maybe morally frowned upon. :lol: Anyways whatever we say they will go continue to break the laws anyway.

This topic is about under aged sex. How can we stop under aged sex or should the minimum age be lowered, have ure say. should we stop it or allow it?

I think this question would result in many different answers because most of today's standards for the minimum age to have sex is based on religious ideals. Personally, I think having a minimum age for sex is good to 'protect' children from older people - not that it really makes sense, but even if it doesn't, I still stand by that sort of law.

It's a difficult question to answer. When you think 10 year olds having sex, you automatically think, "That is so wrong", then when a 35 year old marries a 19 year old, some of you still think, "That is so wrong", and then a 60 year old marries a 25 year old, and somehow, for some of you, that is still wrong. So what exactly is right? What is acceptable?

Obviously, these questions can ONLY be answered by the individuals who govern these morals within themselves. Our laws supposedly protect the general morals of every citizen - either that be partially right or partially wrong. I would hate to know that my daughter at age 13 is having sex with a 15 year old, but it happens, and when that does, what will we do? Jail the 15 year old? Scold him/her/them? Punish them somehow?

My comments may be a little off because of my lack of sleep right now, but I think for most of you, you probably can understand what I am talking about.

I think the Canadian laws pertaining to minimum age right now is good. Something like if you're 18 and under, 14 is the 'legal' age, and if you're over 18, the min age is 16. Something like that.

Conclusion: basically, age, sex, marriage, sexual preference should be dictated by personal values rather than solely a section of law. Too bad we don't live in a society where everyone has a common basic law to live by.

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

What were you thinking of?

At 13, I was probably thinking about getting stoned..lol not having sex..lol :P

you're not male. that says it all :P

I've never understood why anyone believes the legal age to do anything has a bearing on who does it.

There are some exceptions, of course. Alcohol and driving really only depend on your friends (who will buy you alcohol or let you drive). But sex? Nothing's stopping you from having sex if you want to and you know someone else who's willing. I don't know anyone, nor can I imagine a person who actually cares enough about statutory rape law to forego sex they otherwise would have.

As for actually stopping underage sex...

Adolescence is when people start feeling an impulse to have sex, or at least thoroughly explore what these changing parts of their body can now do. Nothing will take away that desire short of a massive change in the human genetic makeup. The only ways to stop underage sex, therefore, require stifling that impulse.

Some people use scare tactics ("if you have sex, you/she will get pregnant, and you'll ruin your life!"). The idea that you can dissuade people from having sex by barring either safety measures (e.g. keeping the morning after pill prescription-only, against the advice of an FDA study), or sex education, is ridiculous. It just makes an already risky thing more dangerous by assuming horny teenagers use more foresight than almost any of them do.

Personally, I don't think any of that is healthy or even useful. Kids are going to have sex. The only reason I know of (besides ingrained dogma) that it's supposed to be a bad thing is that it results in teenage pregnancy and the passage of STDs. Given that complete abstinence is not feasible, there are two non-exclusive ways to lessen the occurance of either one.

The first way is to make sure kids understand what sex is and does before they have it--which means sex education at or before puberty. There are rumors going around ranging from "you can't get pregnant if you have sex standing up" to "women only ovulate at orgasm" (which is even worse because it discourages female orgasm); no one should be ill-informed enough to believe them.

The second way is to make protection of all kinds easily available. Condoms are the quintessential example because they guard against most STDs as well as pregnancy (if properly used--see previous paragraph). They also have no biological effects, so they're safe to sell over the counter (as opposed to the pill, which should only be taken by prescription).

... well that turned into more of a rant than expected, but it's my four or five cents.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

Which age of consent? And where? And are you considering the different laws such as the US " Travel With Intent To Engage in Sexual Act With a Juvenile" law, forbiding travelling internationally to have sex with minors? And married or unmarried ages of consent?
These are significant issues, as the age range may be anywhere from 12 to 18, or even undefined.

I think it should be abolished. If it's consensual, it should be legal in my opinion. I mean if two thirteen year olds want to have sex, that's their business.

"Consensual" is so ambiguous. At that age, how do you know what you want and don't want, especially when you're more confused about yourself than anything else. And someone at that age is more prone to being pressured into giving their 'consent' as well.

Education is probably the key here. If you educate the younger people properly about the ins and outs of sex and such, then they'll be able to make a better decision for themselves. But this isn't always the case.

I think it should be abolished. If it's consensual, it should be legal in my opinion. I mean if two thirteen year olds want to have sex, that's their business.

"Consensual" is so ambiguous. At that age, how do you know what you want and don't want, especially when you're more confused about yourself than anything else. And someone at that age is more prone to being pressured into giving their 'consent' as well.

Education is probably the key here. If you educate the younger people properly about the ins and outs of sex and such, then they'll be able to make a better decision for themselves. But this isn't always the case.

correct, EDUCATION is a must!

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

:roll:

Nice to see General mentality is still alive & kicking

Anyways, I see the issue more about being education as to what sex really is & it's effects, physically, mentally, & emotionally. It's a fact of life, lets not skirt around the issue & turn it into soemthing utterly taboo

I don't live in the US, so I'm not familiar with the myriad of Age of Consent Laws, other than that I'm aware of their existence and the ages range from 14 (Missouri, I believe) to 18 (California, God only knows why).

Here in Australia it is 16, but in most States the Police will look the other way if a 15 year old has sex with an older guy and she consented (and the guy isn't old enough to be her Dad or anything inappropriate like that).

Also, Parental Consent is a defence in some places in Australia (I'm 99.9% sure it is Queensland, and NSW as well, I think...)

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

:roll:

Nice to see General mentality is still alive & kicking

Anyways, I see the issue more about being education as to what sex really is & it's effects, physically, mentally, & emotionally. It's a fact of life, lets not skirt around the issue & turn it into soemthign utterly taboo

education, education and more education!

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Also, with all the porn and sex in society nowadays, anyone over 10 knows what a bl**j** is. So more power to their, er, elbow!

GHI, where in England do you live? I think you have a little narrow minded view of english girls, yeah, some of them are whores, and some are okay, just like everywhere else.

Here in Australia it is 16, but in most States the Police will look the other way if a 15 year old has sex with an older guy and she consented (and the guy isn't old enough to be her Dad or anything inappropriate like that).

Also, Parental Consent is a defence in some places in Australia (I'm 99.9% sure it is Queensland, and NSW as well, I think...)

Parental Consent?!?!?! Since when will a teenager go to their parents and ask them if they'll give their consent?!

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Gee, it must be real bad to be an English girl & be such a slut when all the boys are so pure :roll:

Wtf?

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Yeah, glad someone got the pun lol :D

But, as I said, 'consensual' is very ambiguous. Its going to be hard to prove something was consensual or not. Its just easier to have an age of consent for legal purposes.

And its sad that nobody would listen to education on sex, considering its a big part of life and something you'd really want to know about.

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Gee, it must be real bad to be an English girl & be such a slut when all the boys are so pure :roll:

Wtf?

Its been like that for decades, as I found out in my Social History course. IIRC It is from the First World War when woman, since they had been called in to do factory work, had more money available to them could afford to go out to pubs. I think it was whisper canpaigning to discourage women from places previously only frequented by me (and proper tart ie prostitutes), I cannot quite remember the specifics, but "men who get laid a lot are studs, women who get laid a lot are sluts" mentality is old and will be around for some time.

It is also from this time that ideas such as, Women are worse drivers etc start too.

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Gee, it must be real bad to be an English girl & be such a slut when all the boys are so pure :roll:

Wtf?

Its been like that for decades, as I found out in my Social History course. IIRC It is from the First World War when woman, since they had been called in to do factory work, had more money available to them could afford to go out to pubs. I think it was whisper canpaigning to discourage women from places previously only frequented by me (and proper tart ie prostitutes), I cannot quite remember the specifics, but "men who get laid a lot are studs, women who get laid a lot are sluts" mentality is old and will be around for some time.

It is also from this time that ideas such as, Women are worse drivers etc start too.

You didn't really understand that course did you?

"Ins and outs" - hehe.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Gee, it must be real bad to be an English girl & be such a slut when all the boys are so pure :roll:

Wtf?

Its been like that for decades, as I found out in my Social History course. IIRC It is from the First World War when woman, since they had been called in to do factory work, had more money available to them could afford to go out to pubs. I think it was whisper canpaigning to discourage women from places previously only frequented by me (and proper tart ie prostitutes), I cannot quite remember the specifics, but "men who get laid a lot are studs, women who get laid a lot are sluts" mentality is old and will be around for some time.

It is also from this time that ideas such as, Women are worse drivers etc start too.

You didn't really understand that course did you?

I did, but my interest in it lay in other topics.

btw, if you know how I'm wrong could you tell me? It would be most helpful

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

:roll:

Nice to see General mentality is still alive & kicking

Anyways, I see the issue more about being education as to what sex really is & it's effects, physically, mentally, & emotionally. It's a fact of life, lets not skirt around the issue & turn it into soemthign utterly taboo

education, education and more education!

So, are you pair of the firm opinion that the more people know about sex (assuming, for the moment that we were able to prevent pure, unbiased facts uncoloured by the teachers' beliefs in education) the less likely they will be to have sex?

Face it: sex is fun (or at least it should be).
People want to have fun.
People want to have sex.
People, including the legally underage, will still have sex.

Education may put the fear of God* into some people with regards to becoming pregnant, or it may lead to them taking effective birth control and anti-STD measures, but would it actually discourage sexual activity?

Comment directed at GHI: with whom are all these 'sluts' having sex? Has there been a sudden icnrease in Sapphic activity in your area, or - just possibly - would males have something to do with the whole affair?

They don't want to be unique.

Unlike your all-too-common reactionary stereotype?



*figure of speech, not a religious comment

I live in a big county called Bedfordshire. You see here, all the girls here care about their ''boyfriends''. But you see, all they care is about sex. Every single one here, they call me gay cause I don't talk about sex. I don't want to. I don't need to. A girl in my class got herpies and she's not even 14 yet. I say that we should tell them more about what could happen (herpies, AIDS, HIV and babies*eugh*) and how that could change their lives for the worst.

So, are you pair of the firm opinion that the more people know about sex (assuming, for the moment that we were able to prevent pure, unbiased facts uncoloured by the teachers' beliefs in education) the less likely they will be to have sex?

Face it: sex is fun (or at least it should be).
People want to have fun.
People want to have sex.
People, including the legally underage, will still have sex.

Education may put the fear of God* into some people with regards to becoming pregnant, or it may lead to them taking effective birth control and anti-STD measures, but would it actually discourage sexual activity?


I'm going to answer this because I believe in educating young'uns about sex too.

I would not say that the more people know about sex the less likely that they are to do it. That would be stupid to assume. However, by offering an education, you can teach someone what its all about (yes, assuming unbiased) so that they can make an educated decision for themselves. If they still choose to do it, so be it. But, at least they'll be able to know the dangers and how to avoid them, and the availability of contraceptives out there as well. Its about being smart about the choices you make, and teaching others to be smart about it as well.

Bodies Without Organs, there having sex with their boyfriends, ther not using condoms or even birth-control. Or they are having sex with older men(about 10 to 15) years older than themselves. And yet the govermnet just tells the schools to shove in another boring movie from the 80's to ''educate'' us.

Bodies Without Organs, there having sex with their boyfriends, ther not using condoms or even birth-control. Or they are having sex with older men(about 10 to 15) years older than themselves.

So why the misogynistic rant against 'sluts', then? It takes two to tango, as they say...

Civil Disobedients Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:06 am Post subject:

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GHI, where in England do you live? I think you have a little narrow minded view of english girls, yeah, some of them are whores, and some are okay, just like everywhere else.


u got that right. i aint a slut and clearly u have never seen what i like 2 wear which is nething and everything. i'm from York and its full of concil sluts who all look the same but there are a small few of us who tend 2 think our own way.

im 16 and im not thinkin about sex the only thing i really think about a lot is Brandy, and i got a bird but im not thinkin about havin sex.

It seems to me that the main concern of the thread here is not underage sex, as such, but rather the suggestion that there are excessive rates of unplanned pregnancies and STDs amongst young adults.

im 16 and im not thinkin about sex the only thing i really think about a lot is Brandy, and i got a bird but im not thinkin about havin sex.

Canary?
Parrot?
Homing Pigeon?

Or have you just stumbled out of a 60s London gangster movie?

Tell 'em you still do it. :twisted:

Alot :shock:

Can't we just have parents sign agreements with the guy/woman and the kid everytime they have sex?

:lol: Kinda ruins the moment

For someone your age, I surprised at you want to spoil the moment. :P

:P kinda hard to talk about changing underage sex laws when your me

Geeze, at your age I wasn't even thinking about sex.. :shock:

What were you thinking of?

At 13, I was probably thinking about getting stoned..lol not having sex..lol :P

Well, one or the other is good :lol:

Well, when you really think about it, the only way to stop underage sex is either remove everyone's sexual organs at birth, or lower the age of consent to just below that of puberty. People will always have sex, so the only way to eliminate the concept of "underage" sex is to remove the concept of people being "underage"...Or not having the proper organs.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.
Really now? Hmm, I'm 14, and none of my classmates, female or not, have gotten stoned multiple times (save one, but she was a pothead). I don't know any 14-year-old female smokers. (Again, save that one girl.) NO ONE I know is not a virgin. (I don't know why, I had to point this out, and no, I'm not against lowering any age of consents except for harmful drugs, tobacco products, et cetera.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:Interesting, that last part.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.
Really now? Hmm, I'm 14, and none of my classmates, female or not, have gotten stoned multiple times (save one, but she was a pothead). I don't know any 14-year-old female smokers. (Again, save that one girl.) NO ONE I know is not a virgin. (I don't know why, I had to point this out, and no, I'm not against lowering any age of consents except for harmful drugs, tobacco products, et cetera.

I take it you don't go to a Catholic school then :lol:

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.
Really now? Hmm, I'm 14, and none of my classmates, female or not, have gotten stoned multiple times (save one, but she was a pothead). I don't know any 14-year-old female smokers. (Again, save that one girl.) NO ONE I know is not a virgin. (I don't know why, I had to point this out, and no, I'm not against lowering any age of consents except for harmful drugs, tobacco products, et cetera.

I take it you don't go to a Catholic school then :lol:Hell no! I'm agnostic, put me in one of those and I swear they would not let me back in (regardless that my family is Catholic, but that's irrelevant...)

to be honest there realy needs to be a way to mesure peoples mental age not theyre physical if we are deciding when they should be alowed to have sex but as that is impossible the nearest would be improving education

personaly i do not see people having sex at a young age to be a problem it is more the things that can happen as a result teenage pregnancy STI's and various other problems

i feel if we removed the social stigma that make people consider sex in general to be somewhat taboo then we could be well on our way to solving these problems



in reply to whoever it was that decided most english girls are sluts i realy cant be bothered to quote here but i know several girls that would very strongly dissagree with that statement

i now leave you with a simple message

a slut is a woman with the morals of a man

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.
Really now? Hmm, I'm 14, and none of my classmates, female or not, have gotten stoned multiple times (save one, but she was a pothead). I don't know any 14-year-old female smokers. (Again, save that one girl.) NO ONE I know is not a virgin. (I don't know why, I had to point this out, and no, I'm not against lowering any age of consents except for harmful drugs, tobacco products, et cetera.
Do you go to school on like some isolated island, where all tobacco, drugs and alcohol are banned and the concept of sex does not exist?

i now leave you with a simple message

a slut is a woman with the morals of a manI was actually pretty outraged when I first read this, then I realised that its true and is a pretty cutting commentary about double standards.

i now leave you with a simple message

a slut is a woman with the morals of a man

Ah, so all men are the same now?

the human brain doesn't completely develop in the womb, and neurological connections are still being formed and solidified long after birth. up until a few years after puberty begins, the brain simply does not have the capacity for full adult reasoning...the connections aren't completed, the structures just aren't all there. this doesn't mean young people are stupid or immoral, simply that they don't have all the pieces they need to be full adults.

for this reason, i support lowering the age of consent to 16, but not lower. children today are as mature at 16 as their parents were at 18, according to recent psychological studies, so i see no reason why their legal status shouldn't reflect that. there's no point in trying to keep children young if they don't want to be, and trying only makes them more likely to run for pseudo-adult activities like drinking and sex.

i now leave you with a simple message

a slut is a woman with the morals of a man

Ah, so all men are the same now?

i think it depends on how you interpret it...a man who holds values like the "notch on the belt" philosophy is considered perfectly moral, while the same "morals" in a woman would land her the name of slut.

but i agree, i had the same reaction when i first read that post. i don't associate with men who would qualify as sluts, because i think that's pathetic behavior. i don't have any respect for people who show that little consideration for their bodies and other people, and it doesn't matter if they're a guy or girl. i know plenty of guys with better sense than that.

for this reason, i support lowering the age of consent to 16, but not lower. children today are as mature at 16 as their parents were at 18, according to recent psychological studies, so i see no reason why their legal status shouldn't reflect that. there's no point in trying to keep children young if they don't want to be, and trying only makes them more likely to run for pseudo-adult activities like drinking and sex.
16 year olds are also still in High School, while when your 18 your at least a graduate, or a Senior, most of the time.

I made the unfortunate mistake of having sex (with my boyfriend, who was the same age, at the time) when I was 14. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE. We both thought we were 'mature' enough to handle it; we weren't. I made the choice to have sex again TWO YEARS LATER, and I wished I hadn't done it earlier because the second time around I WAS mature enough.

I've heard girls as young as 12 talk about their 'partners' (not boyfriends, or even lovers, but partners, and, yes, they're refering to it in a hetersexual manner) and it makes me absolutely ILL! I want to smack these children for being so naive. And the worst part is that their 'partners' are anywhere from 3 to 8 years older! The over-sexualization of young women in western society has gotten to the point where little girls think sex is OK with older guys because that's what is expected from them, apparently. I can't help but think these poor little things will wind up feeling the same way I did, or, worse, pregnant or sexually abused due to such a viewpoint.

I'm not religious or overly moral, but, I mean, HELL! When little girls start talking about sexual 'partners', isn't it time we take a step back and wonder where the f**k we went wrong?!

America's Puritan beginnings hush parents talking to their children openly about sex, and yet their children see sex (not sexuality, but sex) in the media and must find out about it on their own. Or, while maybe not all kids think that just because it's on TV, it's okay, some do. Then those kids start having sex, then the OTHER kids look at THEM and say, 'Holy crap, everybody really IS doing it! Why shouldn't I?' and so on and so forth.

(BTW, I'm an 18 year old American female who has made plenty of mistakes in her life, so that's the perspective this is coming from.)

However, as far as the legality of the situation is concerned, in Maryland, the age of consent to sexual intercourse is 17. I think that, however arbitrary, is probably the best time because, although you're still a child at that age and know NOTHING, you know a little better than to do things because others are doing them, or at least to think that said things are OK to do.

Just my two cents...

for this reason, i support lowering the age of consent to 16, but not lower. children today are as mature at 16 as their parents were at 18, according to recent psychological studies, so i see no reason why their legal status shouldn't reflect that. there's no point in trying to keep children young if they don't want to be, and trying only makes them more likely to run for pseudo-adult activities like drinking and sex.
16 year olds are also still in High School, while when your 18 your at least a graduate, or a Senior, most of the time.

i don't think having graduated high school makes you more of an adult, any more than graduating college makes you more of an adult. education and judgment are not necessarily linked.

Yeah but it makes you more able to cope with the (possible) consequences of what could happen. I don't really think consent laws have much of an effect on teenage sex, though, considering they're nowhere near as imbued in kids as things like alcohol and drug laws/effects.

i don't think having graduated high school makes you more of an adult, any more than graduating college makes you more of an adult. education and judgment are not necessarily linked.

Actually, studies have shown that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to have unwanted pregnancies.

Which is something I forgot to mention in my previous post.

Age is arbitrary. If you do not have the financial independence and means to support a child on your own, sex is not the most wise decision. REGARDLESS of all the kinds of birth control out there, the only failproof contraceptives are abstinence or getting a vasectomy/getting one's tubes tied, and the latter is permanent. I am not saying that people shouldn't have sex (I'd be a friggen hypocrite). However, I AM making the point that an exceptional few children under the age of 18 can hardly support themselves financially, let alone a child. And considering an adult with more education and life experience would be better prepared for safe sex... hopefully you get my point.

i don't think having graduated high school makes you more of an adult, any more than graduating college makes you more of an adult. education and judgment are not necessarily linked.

Actually, studies have shown that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to have unwanted pregnancies.

Which is something I forgot to mention in my previous post.

Age is arbitrary. If you do not have the financial independence and means to support a child on your own, sex is not the most wise decision. REGARDLESS of all the kinds of birth control out there, the only failproof contraceptives are abstinence or getting a vasectomy/getting one's tubes tied, and the latter is permanent. I am not saying that people shouldn't have sex (I'd be a friggen hypocrite). However, I AM making the point that an exceptional few children under the age of 18 can hardly support themselves financially, let alone a child. And considering an adult with more education and life experience would be better prepared for safe sex... hopefully you get my point.

i am all too aware of the links between education and pregnancy risk, but that doesn't really apply here because we are not talking about adults who have various levels of education (as discussed in the studies you mention), we are talking about youths who simply have not completed their education yet. you cannot draw the correlation because there are too many unknown factors about their future.

also, i fully agree that someone with an education is better able to raise a child, and that it is foolish to have a child without your education in the bag. however, we allow adults who haven't completed high school to have kids, and we don't try to stop adult drop outs from having sex. the vast majority of high school students go on to graduate, and a huge proportion of those go on to college, so it's not fair to punish the majority just because the minority may make bad choices in the future. i don't believe we should give people rights according to the lowest common denominator, because if we did then NOBODY would be allowed to consent or drive or vote or anything.

I say we give the entire country the appropriate level of intelligency tests at the ages of 3, 10, 16, 18, and 25. If you fail, you die, because you are worthless to society. The mentally ill and mentally retarded don't count, because they can't help it. Ig'nant folks can.

Drastic, but it just... might... work...

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

Ah Lesbians :wink:

Just face it. The world can't do much to stop 13 to 14 year olds doing it. If I could stop it I would, but if they want to destroy their lives then I shall give them that choice. About 95% of girls in Britain will eventually not have a mind of their own, they will do whatever their husband tells them to and will do anything for sex. It makes me sick inside, seeing 12, 13 and 14 year olds talking about how they wanna shag the brains out of their girlfriends of boyfriends. They don't know the consequences of it all, they could end up with a child, they could be kicked out of their houses by angry parents or they could end up with a very nasty sexual disease.

They just wanna do it.

ban crusty old brits from travelling to cambodia.

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

hey! i'm english and not a slut!

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

hey! i'm english and not a slut!

Would you like some tea and crumpets? :lol:

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

hey! i'm english and not a slut!

Would you like some tea and crumpets? :lol:

don't offer me tea, i'm addicted to it, i've already had 8 mugs today

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

hey! i'm english and not a slut!

Would you like some tea and crumpets? :lol:

don't offer me tea, i'm addicted to it, i've already had 8 mugs today

ok
*sips tea alone*

As long as its safe then its OK. Age gaps of pre 16 and twenties see peodophiles. Apart from that whats the fuss, unless you are gonna watch ever single underage child when they go anywhere without parents its gonna happen. Education into the fact that having it safe means you knob won't drop off or you won't die from a horrible wasting disease is the answer. I have 2 daughters, 8 and 4 doesn't worry me yet but at the end of the day i can't stop them from doing it when they are older. As long as they are educated as to the pros and cons then they can do as they wish. Hell i learned life the hard way been there and done most of it but I am still an adult with 2 healthy children and a full time job with lots of responsibilities attatched so can't be all bad.

This (underaged sex) is only a problem for some, not for all. They who see it as a problem (the overaged) could easily solve it, but it takes an action they aren't prepared to go through, namely to stop having babies.

The moment underaged sex is enough of a problem, well, then the solution is there: Outlaw overaged sex. In 30 years or so there will, per definition, be no more underaged sex.

The *only* place government has in this is to regulate sex between younger and older people. No one under 17 should be allowed to be sexually involved with anyone who's more than 3 years older or younger than they are. That's where the law should begin and end.

I mean, get real people! It's not as if underage sex involves only teens either. What about childhood "playing doctor" games? That is definitely a form of sexuality too, and psychologists call this a normal part of human development that parents should not punish. So why should any government adopt a legal position about kids "playing doctor"? Much of teen sexuality is actually closer to the childhood type than the adult one anyway.

Anyway, I am 15 and live in England. Yes, pretty much every girl is a slut, but you know what? Screw morals! If it's private and consensual, fine by me. And the education thing? No-one cares. No-one listens. Not. One. Bit.

Thank you! I was just about to say something along those lines - however much you educate kids/teenagers about how bad it is for them, they're not gonna listen. Yes, educate them enough, but don't go on about it or they'll just get sick of it. I am 15 too, from England, and have come extremely close to losing my virginity - but I was determined not to, and refused (that doesn't mean I didn't *want* to :wink: ) . If people know that...things can go wrong, then they can make their own minds up about when the right time is, and be as careful as they like. However, if they're gonna go and get drunk and shag the nearest guy, there's not reeeeally much anyone can do about it (ok, apart from preventing them from getting pissed - but there's only so far I believe one should go with taking control of other peoples' lives).

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.
That's assuming that people will abide by the law if you change it. They don't obey it now, why later? Also, plenty of English girls are sluts and over 18.

The *only* place government has in this is to regulate sex between younger and older people. No one under 17 should be allowed to be sexually involved with anyone who's more than 3 years older or younger than they are. That's where the law should begin and end.

I mean, get real people! It's not as if underage sex involves only teens either. What about childhood "playing doctor" games? That is definitely a form of sexuality too, and psychologists call this a normal part of human development that parents should not punish. So why should any government adopt a legal position about kids "playing doctor"? Much of teen sexuality is actually closer to the childhood type than the adult one anyway.
Damn right. The idea that sexuality 'appears' on the 16th brithday is bizzare. So to make healthy expression of healthy activity for under 16s illegal sends the message 'Your natural emotions and drives are wrong'. There need to be laws to stop people taking advantage of under 16s, but between themselves- I say go, explore yourself and others. Just use protection.

In my opinion, it should be illegal to have sex or any sexual activities under 16.

In my opinion, it should be illegal to have sex or any sexual activities under 16.


So does that mean we should start arresting & jailing 6-year-olds who "play doctor" with each other?

In my opinion, it should be illegal to have sex or any sexual activities under 16.


So does that mean we should start arresting & jailing 6-year-olds who "play doctor" with each other?

ewwwwww

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

In my opinion, it should be illegal to have sex or any sexual activities under 16.


So does that mean we should start arresting & jailing 6-year-olds who "play doctor" with each other?

ewwwwww

Somebody's in a BIG state of denial about real life! What will you do if you become a parent and accidently catch your small child "playing doctor" with another child? Are you going to freak out and punish them? Psychologists will tell you that you can really harm your child if you do that.

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Since that only really existed in fairy tales, nothing happened to it anyway.

It's perfectly natural. Humans evolved to procreate as soon as puberty hit. So, what they're doing is actually the right thing. Unless your religious, in which case it's a sin. But still.

It's perfectly natural. Humans evolved to procreate as soon as puberty hit. So, what they're doing is actually the right thing. Unless your religious, in which case it's a sin. But still.

Not if they are f***ing before puberty.

it should be lowered... puberty happens for a reason, yet we cant fullfil that reason if its illegal.

I believe that the age is fine. The only thing is, I believe that if you are at least two years apart you should be able to have sex legally. So a 16 year old can have sex with an 18 year old and a 17 year old can have sex with a 19 year old.

Any personal reasoning for this? Well, I am 17 and my girlfriend is 19. But still, I think 2 years is a good number. 8)

thats pretty sweet soviet democracy... i agree with you too. no age limit on sex. imean not many people are going to want to f*** before puberty anyways, the hormones arent there in large enough numbers to go off look some girl and think like "wow do i wanna bone her" at age 9 :lol:

It's perfectly natural. Humans evolved to procreate as soon as puberty hit. So, what they're doing is actually the right thing. Unless your religious, in which case it's a sin. But still.

Not if they are f***ing before puberty.
True. But then it's just weird.

thats pretty sweet soviet democracy... i agree with you too. no age limit on sex. imean not many people are going to want to f*** before puberty anyways, the hormones arent there in large enough numbers to go off look some girl and think like "wow do i wanna bone her" at age 9 :lol:

I was saying that there should be an age limit, 18. If you are both under that age, then fine. But if one is over that age, then no. The only exception would be if the two of you were under 2 years apart. 17 and 19 year olds would be legal along with 16 and 18 year olds. But not 16 and 19 year olds.

thats pretty sweet soviet democracy... i agree with you too. no age limit on sex. imean not many people are going to want to f*** before puberty anyways, the hormones arent there in large enough numbers to go off look some girl and think like "wow do i wanna bone her" at age 9 :lol:

I was saying that there should be an age limit, 18. If you are both under that age, then fine. But if one is over that age, then no. The only exception would be if the two of you were under 2 years apart. 17 and 19 year olds would be legal along with 16 and 18 year olds. But not 16 and 19 year olds.

good compromise

I was saying that there should be an age limit, 18. If you are both under that age, then fine. But if one is over that age, then no. The only exception would be if the two of you were under 2 years apart. 17 and 19 year olds would be legal along with 16 and 18 year olds. But not 16 and 19 year olds.

good compromise

Thank you. :D

yeah, thats what i thought you were saying, which means pretty much no age limit if they are 2 years apart.

yeah, thats what i thought you were saying, which means pretty much no age limit if they are 2 years apart.

Yes.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.
Really now? Hmm, I'm 14, and none of my classmates, female or not, have gotten stoned multiple times (save one, but she was a pothead). I don't know any 14-year-old female smokers. (Again, save that one girl.) NO ONE I know is not a virgin. (I don't know why, I had to point this out, and no, I'm not against lowering any age of consents except for harmful drugs, tobacco products, et cetera.
Do you go to school on like some isolated island, where all tobacco, drugs and alcohol are banned and the concept of sex does not exist?Erm, no, I live in Arizona, USA. And sex does exist, but underage sex is unheard of here.

i'm willing to bet 75% of my school has drank, smoked, used drug,, and had sex. if we do only one, i can garuntee my whole school has done one. (4000 kid school)

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Since that only really existed in fairy tales, nothing happened to it anyway.

Nono, when I quitted smoking it happened to me. But I still had lots of sex of course... :?

Lower it you damn party poopers.

Lower it. But not to the point that it's legal before puberty. I hear about these 6 or 7 year olds f***ing on Maurie and it's just nasty. :shock:

I am 100% against lowering the legal age for sexual relations with a minor. I do believe that if you are two years apart then you should be free to have sex with each other legally. But no, I do not believe the age should be lowered.

"Consensual" is so ambiguous. At that age, how do you know what you want and don't want, especially when you're more confused about yourself than anything else. And someone at that age is more prone to being pressured into giving their 'consent' as well.

Mebbe its that intangible figure of 'authority' who is shaking their finger at everyone saying: DONT DO THIS OR I'LL FUCKING SPANK YOU!

I know at that age, hell, at any age, I knew EXACTLY what I wanted, and if someone tried to pressure me otherwise would have got the short end of the deal. It's because I was allowed to make my own decisions, free of everyone else's iron caste ideas of morality and obligation.

Maybe the problem is that 'morality' is a foolish reason to make ANY law, because, who in Gods name would follow someone else's tired old views of what is right and true? Think for yourself. Do you want to have sex? Why? Because you want to, or because they're pestering you? If they are just bothering you about it, is it really what you want to do? If they loved you and really cared about making love {Not just screwing}, would they be that persistant, or would they ease off and allow you your own way?

Giving a set of rules and saying "This is morality. It is the law. You are TOO YOUNG to be shagging ass." Does no good whatsoever. Who says so? Why should we listen to 'them' about something as small and insignificant as a roll in the grass? Education is key here. WHY should they not be running around screwing? WHY should they use a rubber?

I know why, but it's because I refuse to follow these 'rules', and instead decided to write my own.

WHY X 10000000000000000000000000 = The Truth. Question everything, and that way when you do form your own opinion, you'll know it is you who wrote your rules, not someone off in some capitol city, not a bunch of jackasses from three thousand years ago, not the pope or the Dhali Llama or Fred Fredricks of Fredrickson Cheese Inc., but YOU. YOU can think for yourself and change authority.

'Rules' are not the way to get your point across. Knowledge is key, because for those with knowledge, rules are only boundaries to cross.

I'll never tell my kids 'DONT DO THIS'. I'll show them both sides of the problem and allow them to decide for themselves, even if one side is the one I disagree with. It's not up to me to decide, because that is everyones right: Think for yourself. Do they want to screw? Then do it, but when it happens, it will be because they've weighed the options and decided for themselves it's what they want.

All that said, I think sex is very healthy and enlightening. Keep a rubber or three handy and you'll never regret it.

It's perfectly natural. Humans evolved to procreate as soon as puberty hit. So, what they're doing is actually the right thing. Unless your religious, in which case it's a sin. But still.

To procreate. But they're not. Because they aren't ready for the financial and emotional taxes on a person a child can have. Thus the biological point is moot.

Well I think people should be allowed to have sex as soon as you have real sexual urges. Which is right when puberty hits.

That doesn't mean that they're emotionally ready to. Plus, let's say you had a 13 year old daughter. Say this hypothetical daughter had sex with an 18 year old boy and he got her pregnant and runs (as young and scared men are often wont to do in such a situation). Who's gonna support the kid?

That's right, you, the parent. For logistics and economical sense, the age should not be lowered, though I do agree with those about the 2 year gap being legal.

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

The two-year thing isn't likely to happen. In Ontario, even if it's a case of statutory rape they won't try to press charges unless there's a more then 5 year age difference.

This makes good sense to me, because plenty of girls get into relationships with guys more then two years older then them.

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

Abstinence without education is a crock, at least. If teenagers had the facts, from a reputable source, they'd be far less likely to want to do it just because it's taboo and, if they did choose to have sex, they'd be better informed about the consequences. It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.

Vote Colodia! Mindless sex by '46!

This is fun, I agree with the guy that said about the intelligence tests at certain ages

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

Abstinence without education is a crock, at least. If teenagers had the facts, from a reputable source, they'd be far less likely to want to do it just because it's taboo and, if they did choose to have sex, they'd be better informed about the consequences. It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.However, abstinence is the only method proven to be 100% fool-proof. You can't get pregnant, and you can't pick up STDs if you practice abstinence. It's refreshing to see that a campaign to promote abstinence among teens is going to Britain from the US soon. (http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=519398) Trust me, sex with someone you love is great, and it's worth waiting for.

It's perfectly natural. Humans evolved to procreate as soon as puberty hit. So, what they're doing is actually the right thing. Unless your religious, in which case it's a sin. But still.

rape, murder and racism are also part of human nature too. we've been able to over come those, why not this?

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

Abstinence without education is a crock, at least. If teenagers had the facts, from a reputable source, they'd be far less likely to want to do it just because it's taboo and, if they did choose to have sex, they'd be better informed about the consequences. It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.However, abstinence is the only method proven to be 100% fool-proof. You can't get pregnant, and you can't pick up STDs if you practice abstinence. It's refreshing to see that a campaign to promote abstinence among teens is going to Britain from the US soon. (http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=519398) Trust me, sex with someone you love is great, and it's worth waiting for.

That's great and I'm sure if we just tell teens to not have sex the first thing they'll do is run right out and not have sex. I mean, it's worked so well with drugs, gang violence and underaged drinking. :roll:

I agree that abstinence is an excellent choice, however, without presenting the facts and giving teens the information, it's not one a majority of them are likely to make.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

This brings up a good point...16 year olds can have consentual sex in most countries but are not allowed to look at, watch, or purchase pronographic material. Think about it, if a 16 year old guy can go out and buy playboy and then go home and pleasure himself that would eliminate the need for the female in question. However, those who can get a consentual girl will play with her instead of looking at the playboy, but if a guy cannot get a girl then he won't try to force himself on a female, hence eliminating unconsentual sex...just think about it

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

Abstinence without education is a crock, at least. If teenagers had the facts, from a reputable source, they'd be far less likely to want to do it just because it's taboo and, if they did choose to have sex, they'd be better informed about the consequences. It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.However, abstinence is the only method proven to be 100% fool-proof. You can't get pregnant, and you can't pick up STDs if you practice abstinence. It's refreshing to see that a campaign to promote abstinence among teens is going to Britain from the US soon. (http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=519398) Trust me, sex with someone you love is great, and it's worth waiting for.

It is truly bizarre that kids can learn all about sex in school, but are left on their own when it comes to relationships.

It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.

I agree with you, most the sex ed courses I ever (even when I was in grade school) had all assumed we were all knocking boots with eachother and either wanted to give us condoms or to get us to stop. it never really occured to them that maybe, just maybe we were intellegent and dicipline enought to save sex for a little later.

what the hell ever happened to abstinence?

Abstinence is a crock.

Abstinence without education is a crock, at least. If teenagers had the facts, from a reputable source, they'd be far less likely to want to do it just because it's taboo and, if they did choose to have sex, they'd be better informed about the consequences. It's amazing how stupid we think kids and teens are in the U.S.However, abstinence is the only method proven to be 100% fool-proof. You can't get pregnant, and you can't pick up STDs if you practice abstinence. It's refreshing to see that a campaign to promote abstinence among teens is going to Britain from the US soon. (http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=519398) Trust me, sex with someone you love is great, and it's worth waiting for.

That's great and I'm sure if we just tell teens to not have sex the first thing they'll do is run right out and not have sex. I mean, it's worked so well with drugs, gang violence and underaged drinking. :roll:

I agree that abstinence is an excellent choice, however, without presenting the facts and giving teens the information, it's not one a majority of them are likely to make.I tend to agree. However, much of what passes for sex education nowadays is a never-ending tale of "you won't know it till you try it." And then we wonder why kids who are still picking their noses are also having sex. Sex education should not be taught in elementary school, and I am not sure middle school is the place for it, either. If you will teach it in middle school, then by all means you need to concentrate on the consequences, as opposed to simply telling the kids "this is how the plumbing works...here, have some condoms and pills." Also, any sex education curriculum that refuses to teach about abstinence, is doomed to make the kids more curious.

The really sad part is, the generation before the Baby Boomers were taught sex ed, with an emphasis on abstinence. In those days, a teen pregnancy was a matter of shame, and an abortion was downright impossible to have. But they were also told about consequences, and the teen pregnancy rates (not to mention the STD rates) were much much lower than nowadays. Maybe they were on to something back then?

Speaking for someone that had sex at 14, and is still a kid (I'm turning 17 soon). Sex education works, disprove myths and talk about birth control and STDs.

i see no problem with it, so long as it is within reason. the real peoblem isnt that kids grow up too fast now adays, its that they get the impression from Holleywood and stuff that this is what they should be doing.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

This brings up a good point...16 year olds can have consentual sex in most countries but are not allowed to look at, watch, or purchase pronographic material. Think about it, if a 16 year old guy can go out and buy playboy and then go home and pleasure himself that would eliminate the need for the female in question. However, those who can get a consentual girl will play with her instead of looking at the playboy, but if a guy cannot get a girl then he won't try to force himself on a female, hence eliminating unconsentual sex...just think about it

And this is why you're wrong: rape is about power. Rape is NOT about sexual frustration. It is about dominance, NOT sexuality.

Sorry, but it's true, so, as much as I want it to, really, your proposition simply doesn't hold water.

wanna know how to stop under age sex? cut off every boy's pecker at birth and give it back to him when he reaches legal age.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

This brings up a good point...16 year olds can have consentual sex in most countries but are not allowed to look at, watch, or purchase pronographic material. Think about it, if a 16 year old guy can go out and buy playboy and then go home and pleasure himself that would eliminate the need for the female in question. However, those who can get a consentual girl will play with her instead of looking at the playboy, but if a guy cannot get a girl then he won't try to force himself on a female, hence eliminating unconsentual sex...just think about it

And this is why you're wrong: rape is about power. Rape is NOT about sexual frustration. It is about dominance, NOT sexuality.

Sorry, but it's true, so, as much as I want it to, really, your proposition simply doesn't hold water.

No two crimes are the same. Surely pent-up sexual frustration can contribute to some rape cases. Especially to the psychopathic. If you feel no mercy you won't really understand alot of what's going on in the victim's head, you'll just know you're getting off.

Well, I don't know about other countries, but I think the age limit in the UK is fine how it is. As for stopping kiddies from shagging, the only way is to somehow protect kids from peer-pressure and other influences. Don't know how you'd do that though.

Let's face it, most 14 year old girls are getting stoned, smoking tobacco and drugs, and having sex. An Age of Consent doesn't change it, so lower it to 14.

It's a bit how it's legal for a 16 year old to have sex (in most places outside the US, anyway), but it's illegal for them to watch other people doing it on video/DVD or in magazines...

Oddly, in the UK, Australia, and NZ there is no consent for Lesbian Sex- so it's totally legal for two 13 year old girls to have sex with each other! :shock:

This brings up a good point...16 year olds can have consentual sex in most countries but are not allowed to look at, watch, or purchase pronographic material. Think about it, if a 16 year old guy can go out and buy playboy and then go home and pleasure himself that would eliminate the need for the female in question. However, those who can get a consentual girl will play with her instead of looking at the playboy, but if a guy cannot get a girl then he won't try to force himself on a female, hence eliminating unconsentual sex...just think about it

And this is why you're wrong: rape is about power. Rape is NOT about sexual frustration. It is about dominance, NOT sexuality.

Sorry, but it's true, so, as much as I want it to, really, your proposition simply doesn't hold water.

No two crimes are the same. Surely pent-up sexual frustration can contribute to some rape cases. Especially to the psychopathic. If you feel no mercy you won't really understand alot of what's going on in the victim's head, you'll just know you're getting off.

Psychologically, you are completely wrong. Realistically, it is possible, but unlikely. Sexual urges do not build up over time to a bursting point, and it is easy to satisfy any sexual urges one might have.

Hell, I'm satisfying mine right now!

With chocolate!

Pervs...

Something yall might find interesting. I used to live in Utah, and had a sex ed class in 9th grade health. Then I moved to California, and, due to scheduling problems and weird requirements, I had to retake health.

In any case, I observed two massively different courses.

In Utah, it's illegal (yes, ILLEGAL) to mention birth control of any kind in school. Teachers are not allowed to talk about it. So the Sex ed there was "don't do it, don't do it, don't do it."

In California, it was just the opposite. It was "abstinence is good and fine, but if you're gonna do it, use these." Now, to me, this makes more sense, to do it this way. However, the kids out here in California are far more promiscuous than their Utahn counterparts. I think part of it is how the Utah kids were raised, and the influence of their religion, but the difference between the numbers (and ages) of kids having sex is like night and day.

Just the other day, I heard about some kids who had had gotten suspended for having sex in the band room of the school. They're in 7th grade. A week before that, my girlfriend told me about these two kids who'd had sex in 5th grade. On the other hand, in Utah, sex was seen as something to do far later in life. I didn't hear anything at all about anyone having sex while I was there. My history teacher asked the class what they thought the average marriage age was. Answer was overwhelmingly 30+. It's actually 20-23 I believe. Anyway, they all believe that sex is for after marriage, and they'd be virgins till their 30s.

I found this to be contrary to what I'd think would be true, with the sex ed classes. If you switched the two, and had abstinence in California, and birth control in Utah, I believe there'd be very little changes. Aside from more children being born to underage parents in California, since birth control would be harder to get.

I guess the point of that whole thing is that I don't think that it's Sex Ed classes that do the work. It's the parents and how the children are raised that holds most of the sway over how children will act.

if u reduce the age to 15, 12 yr olds will be having sex. i think the age is good right now.

if u reduce the age to 15, 12 yr olds will be having sex. i think the age is good right now.12 year olds are already having sex in some places. It's sad, but it's happening. There's no getting away from it.

And it scares the hell out of me because I have a daughter who will turn 14 in September. But I'd rather have her informed than ignorant, so we've had very frank and open discussions about sex, from the biology side (complete with diagrams from a college Zoology textbook) to the emotional and physical side to the "I'll put my boot in your ass if you wind up pregnant before you've got a degree" side.

But I guarantee you that those twelve year olds haven't had that kind of discussion with their parents, for whatever reason, so the school has to do something. I've seen and read my daughter's sex ed curriculum, and if anything, it's not specific enough.

I think they should raise it, since I live in England. Every girl here is a slut, they don't have a mind of their own. They just will become alcoholics oneday and drug addicts. They don't want to do anything else apart from living off the goverment living in a council house. They don't want to be unique.

Nice...I happen to be a girl living in England. I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't want to live in a council house. I'm not a slut and I most definitely do want to be unique

I couldn't bring myself to read every single reply, so forgive me if this has already been said. The law prohibiting underage sex (whatever that age may be), has been put in place not to prevent consenting underage sex, but to prevent pedophilia, and to enhance the punishment of rape charges. In Australia at least, where I live, two people underage having sex is not a punishable crime. It is only when one person is legal and the other isn't that charges can be pressed, as it is seen as taking advantage of the "less mature" party. Also, this law helps to define cases of pedophilia. If a 25 yr old and a 12 year old have sex, charges may be held against the 25 yr old, whether the act is seen to have been consenting or not. The law, as I understand it, did not come about with the aim of preventing two minors from having sex, but for more serious reasons.

Wouldn't raising the age just create more underage sex? So, obviously, the age should be lowered. That way, there'd be no underage sex.

me agre with you. 8)

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