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I know the plans to reinstate the draft aren't definitive yet, but if it is going to be reinstated-why?

It won't. It's political suicide for whatever party pushes it through.

It would be political suicide right now, and the efforts are meant to be symbolic in nature. Thus, I don't believe it's anything to worry about, really.

There won*t be another draft in the US. No way. No how.
The populace does not want it. The military does not want it.
For more, look here (http://www.strategypage.com/search.asp?target=d:\inetpub\strategypageroot\dls\docs1999\draft%20and%20why.htm&search=draft)

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It will never happen, but if it did, it would be because George "monkey boy" Bush wants to kill even more of his own people.

I can only pray that if this happens, Canada will quit housing traitors and extradict them back to the U.S. to stand trial.

When did Bush, or anyone in the bush administration, ever suggest reinstating the draft?

Seriously, I missed it... can someone link me?

I know the plans to reinstate the draft aren't definitive yet, but if it is going to be reinstated-why?
Well, otherwise America won't have the manpower to invade Iran, Syria and North Korea, obviously.

Nothing is beyond politicians. They'll sell anything to anyone for their means ...

To restate.
It will not happen. Conscript armies are as dead as dinosaurs. Even Switzerland is going pro. That should tell you something.

Why would the US go with a conscript army? Hmm...

1. Masochism
2. An enjoyment of losing wars
3. OMG WE AR TEH UBER

I can't think of any other than that. Oh yeah, and

4. CANADA IS INVADING! TO ARMS!

If it happens--and I tend to think it will although it will take some ubiquitous form such as "National Service" that will include plenty of non-military service--it will happen because either the situation in Iraq and elsewhere has deteriorated to the point where there's no other real option, or more likely, a major shooting war breaks out somewhere else and we have no choice but to mobilize.

I know the military doesn't want it, and I know Congress rightfully considers it a political A-bomb, but the fact is that we're stretched badly right now and so are our major allies. If there's a major situation, we'll be forced to go back to a draft.

If it happens--and I tend to think it will although it will take some ubiquitous form such as "National Service" that will include plenty of non-military service--it will happen because either the situation in Iraq and elsewhere has deteriorated to the point where there's no other real option, or more likely, a major shooting war breaks out somewhere else and we have no choice but to mobilize.

I know the military doesn't want it, and I know Congress rightfully considers it a political A-bomb, but the fact is that we're stretched badly right now and so are our major allies. If there's a major situation, we'll be forced to go back to a draft.

Sorry, but I cannot see any situation short of an invasion of the US proper that could result in military conscription.
Yes, we are stretched badly. Extraordinarily badly.* Even so, I cannot see it.
A national service conscription may just squeak in under the gate. But I doubt it.


*As I pointed out recently on abother thread, we may need up to 600,000 to properly pacify Iraq. Including all the rotations, refits, training, Korea, Europe, Homeland Security, and other duties, that would mean full mobilization of all ARNG forces. Even then, we would be horribly stretched.

Actually, twin bills currently in the House and Senate (S89 and H163) will reinsate the draft for 18 to 26 year olds as early as June 15th, 2005, with no college deferrments. Both Bush and Kerry support these bills and Bush is trying to pass them through now with no fanfare or public notification so that they can be announced after the November election. Additionally, $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System and the Pentagon has begun a campaign to fill 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeal board positions nationwide.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0423-04.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0420-10.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0313-07.htm

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h163ih.txt

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:s89is.txt

Berkylvania, that's a good part of the reason why I believe there will be a draft eventually. I've actually gotten an application to be on a draft board should it be reinstated. I probably won't be selected because I won't be in this community long enough, but when I move and get settled, I'll apply again.

If that's so, yet another reason why I support neither Bush nor Kerry.

You'd think somebody would have learned from Vietnam. And... the whole 19th century...

Berkylvania, that's a good part of the reason why I believe there will be a draft eventually. I've actually gotten an application to be on a draft board should it be reinstated. I probably won't be selected because I won't be in this community long enough, but when I move and get settled, I'll apply again.

The fact that they're gearing up for it and that armed forces re-enlistment is at an all time low and new enrollment is far below target, makes me tend to agree that it's a matter of time before we start seeing conscription again.

Its unconsititutional. IT should have been abolished as democrats (and real republicans) wanted years ago. INstead we have democrats (partly for political reasons) wanting to re instate it. Bush and gang are keeping quite till they win and then I would not doubt a draft. Its wrong to force people against their will. Not to mention those drafted are not going to be nearly as effective as the pros

I can only pray that if this happens, Canada will quit housing traitors and extradict them back to the U.S. to stand trial.

How about those traitors who use Daddy's influence to get them a seat in a parade unit that is mainly for show (read "zero chance to get your ass shot"), just to avoid being send off, together with all the other kids who don't have a Daddy to pull strings for them, to where the danger is? Should those traitors also stand trial?

I know the plans to reinstate the draft aren't definitive yet, but if it is going to be reinstated-why?
Well, otherwise America won't have the manpower to invade Iran, Syria and North Korea, obviously.

It sure looks that way... "creating a little Lebensraum im Middle East"... :cry:

Hmmm.... the poll options and answers are telling. 50% believe that would be implemented to get rid of dissidents? :roll:

It won't be reinstated.

I can only pray that if this happens, Canada will quit housing traitors and extradict them back to the U.S. to stand trial.

How about those traitors who use Daddy's influence to get them a seat in a parade unit that is mainly for show (read "zero chance to get your ass shot"), just to avoid being send off, together with all the other kids who don't have a Daddy to pull strings for them, to where the danger is? Should those traitors also stand trial?
Jealous much? People who can, do, people who can't, don't. It's that simple, luck of the draw. You lost, Bush won, get over it, kid.

It won't happen, because the party that pushes it through won't see the White House for 30 years if they succeed. It's political suicide. Unless there's another World War and an obvious threat to American soil, you won't see a draft. It's just to controversial and too unpopular.

I can only pray that if this happens, Canada will quit housing traitors and extradict them back to the U.S. to stand trial.

How about those traitors who use Daddy's influence to get them a seat in a parade unit that is mainly for show (read "zero chance to get your ass shot"), just to avoid being send off, together with all the other kids who don't have a Daddy to pull strings for them, to where the danger is? Should those traitors also stand trial?
Jealous much? People who can, do, people who can't, don't. It's that simple, luck of the draw. You lost, Bush won, get over it, kid.

Mmmh, it seems you fail to recognize Bush's characterweakness that allowed him to accept and use such a cheap cop-out.

Now, why would one be jealous of a weakling like that? :lol:

The idea alone is too funny :lol:

Anyways, your double standards have been noted.

You are jealous. He beat the system, something leftists like you have wet dreams about. Doesn't matter that he did it with money and influence instead of innovation, he still won. You lose. Get over it.

You are jealous. He beat the system, something leftists like you have wet dreams about. Doesn't matter that he did it with money and influence instead of innovation, he still won. You lose. Get over it.

So you believe that if you're born the right way, you should be exempt from serving the country in the military?

You are jealous. He beat the system, something leftists like you have wet dreams about. Doesn't matter that he did it with money and influence instead of innovation, he still won. You lose. Get over it.

Ah, and if going to Canada beats the system then it suddenly turns into an act of a traitor. Jaded logic if ever there was any :lol:

Again, your hypocrisy has been noted. :lol:

Some people are luckier than others, that's just nature.

Some people win the lottery, should their winnings be taken from them and distributed to everyone else who played and lost?

You are jealous. He beat the system, something leftists like you have wet dreams about. Doesn't matter that he did it with money and influence instead of innovation, he still won. You lose. Get over it.

Ah, and if going to Canada beats the system then it suddenly turns into an act of a traitor. Jaded logic if ever there was any :lol:

Again, your hypocrisy has been noted. :lol:
He beat the system without breaking the law. Hippies illegally immigrated and avoided required military service. Bush served, he didn't serve in combat, but he served. The hippies can't say the same, they were licking maple trees.

He beat the system without breaking the law. Hippies illegally immigrated and avoided required military service. Bush served, he didn't serve in combat, but he served. The hippies can't say the same, they were licking maple trees.

He served. Then he deserted to help run a politcal campaign. The bastard should have hung for it.

You are jealous. He beat the system, something leftists like you have wet dreams about. Doesn't matter that he did it with money and influence instead of innovation, he still won. You lose. Get over it.

Ah, and if going to Canada beats the system then it suddenly turns into an act of a traitor. Jaded logic if ever there was any :lol:

Again, your hypocrisy has been noted. :lol:
He beat the system without breaking the law. Hippies illegally immigrated and avoided required military service. Bush served, he didn't serve in combat, but he served. The hippies can't say the same, they were licking maple trees.

Funny, last I heard going AWOL does not count as "serving", and is still a crime in the US.

And please explain how Daddy Bush pulling strings to get Baby Bush into the parade unit was in any way legit? Oh, maybe legit to the letter of the law, but otherwise a totally corrupt course of action, far worse than what those who crossed the border did.