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:? why is it that all you american straight guys are so obsessed with what us gay guys do? why don't you just get on with your sex life and let us get on with ours?

i'm from britain and here no-one cares what other people are doing - as long as you're gettin' some, thats a good thing.

for all the non-homophobic, right-wing, nazi biggots in the USA - LONG LIVE AMERICA! (AND DOWN WITH BUSH :lol: )

to the rest of you, guys, get a life, yeah?

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT!

Dude, no offense, but the mods just locked a nasty little thread with this exact title.

And long live Flake bars!

some of us dont care either way. your business is your business. its just that we cant be heard over the few of us out there who scream "BLASPHEMY" at the top of their lungs.

you can't do anything about the eternally narrow-minded. ignore them. darwinism will eventually take care of them.

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.



I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys or Girls and Girls.




[edit] I forgot girls and girls

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.

I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys.

Well, what about Girls and Girls or is that just hot?

*thinks about it*

Yeah, that's kind of hot.

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.

I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys.

Well, what about Girls and Girls or is that just hot?

*thinks about it*

Yeah, that's kind of hot.


Yeah!! :D




but still its un-natural

*is American*

*is straight*

*doesn't mind other being gay*

*although I do mind non-Americans jumping to conclusions about Americans*

*is American*

*is straight*

*doesn't mind other being gay*

*although I do mind non-Americans jumping to conclusions about Americans*


Agree

Agree

Depends

Agree

*is American*

*is straight*

*doesn't mind other being gay*

*although I do mind non-Americans jumping to conclusions about Americans*

well put

Well I'm okay with gays, so long as they don't pretend they're better then straights because they're different.

C'mon guys, if we're equal, we're equal.

EDIT: And that goes for us straight guys as well, so long as we don't act like we're superior

I dont mind gays so long as they done try and come on to me or nothin (and yes, ive had it happen... awkward to say the least)

What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is not my business.

It is my business when you try to get the government to sanction your behavior with recognition of marriage. It is my business when you try to change my core moral beliefs. It is my business when you try to force everyone to change the definition of marriage to suit your behavior.

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

If it was up to Darwinism, the gays should be dying off from not being able to procreate according to survival of the fittest. Chew on that a little.

And for Gays .. we don't leave you alone because .... big shocker ... YOU DON'T LEAVE US ALONE! I haven't met a single gay man who hasn't flaunted his gayness in anything he does ... in the workplace ... it doesn't matter where! He can be doing something completely not related to sex or being gay and pull out of "Oh I'd love to do him" from somewhere.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, designer shows ... challenges to constitutions and heading to the government to force the churches (which are suppose to be separate according to you liberals, right?) to give out gay marriage licenses. WE don't leave the GAY society alone because YOU don't live the STRAIGHT society alone.

May ye chew on that as well.

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

well then basically your pretending that they're rapists and that you do not want to see their crimes

Sorry, but that's how it sounds.

I think it's immoral and appalling. That's my beliefs and how I feel about homosexuals and lesbians.

If it was up to Darwinism, the gays should be dying off from not being able to procreate according to survival of the fittest. Chew on that a little.

And for Gays .. we don't leave you alone because .... big shocker ... YOU DON'T LEAVE US ALONE! I haven't met a single gay man who hasn't flaunted his gayness in anything he does ... in the workplace ... it doesn't matter where! He can be doing something completely not related to sex or being gay and pull out of "Oh I'd love to do him" from somewhere.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, designer shows ... challenges to constitutions and heading to the government to force the churches (which are suppose to be separate according to you liberals, right?) to give out gay marriage licenses. WE don't leave the GAY society alone because YOU don't live the STRAIGHT society alone.

May ye chew on that as well.





Exactly right

What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is not my business.

It is my business when you try to get the government to sanction your behavior with recognition of marriage. It is my business when you try to change my core moral beliefs. It is my business when you try to force everyone to change the definition of marriage to suit your behavior.

So tell me, why should you be allowed to define marriage? Why should you be allowed to try to change my core moral beliefs?

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

well then basically your pretending that they're rapists and that you do not want to see their crimes

Sorry, but that's how it sounds.





I dont want to know about gay people. I would rather go my entire life not finding out that my best friend is gay then having him tell me that he is.

UHh lesbians are homosexuals. :?

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

well then basically your pretending that they're rapists and that you do not want to see their crimes

Sorry, but that's how it sounds.





I dont want to know about gay people. I would rather go my entire life not finding out that my best friend is gay then having him tell me that he is.

okay, I agree with you on that

Partially because my best friend has a locker close to mine for P.E.

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

Cry me a river.

[quote="Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, designer shows ... challenges to constitutions and heading to the government to force the churches (which are suppose to be separate according to you liberals, right?) to give out gay marriage licenses. WE don't leave the GAY society alone because YOU don't live the STRAIGHT society alone.
quote]

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.

gays pfffffffffffffffffffffffft who needs em beside ugly chicks or fat chicks the only thing gays guys do is get hot chicks to hang out with them





Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.

there is no seperation between church and state

well, not a big one. But I'm close


Not very easy to admit, being a liberal

I like gay people.........The more gay people there are, the more women I can choose from..... :wink:

So tell me, why should you be allowed to define marriage? Why should you be allowed to try to change my core moral beliefs?

We didn't. For thousands of years, across every culture and peoples, marriage has been heterosexual (though not always monogamous). Although there are a few instances of pederastic "marriage" among certain African bush tribes, they are ALWAYS temporary and allegorical...that is they exist to service the older warrior until he gets a real marriage (to a woman). We aren't "changing" anything, you are.

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.


Yes but how many main religions allow this

gays pfffffffffffffffffffffffft who needs em beside ugly chicks or fat chicks the only thing gays guys do is get hot chicks to hang out with them





Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA



Yea all the hot girls want the gay guys so why not just go straight and get the hottys

Why do gay guys have to be with a guy?

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>

gays pfffffffffffffffffffffffft who needs em beside ugly chicks or fat chicks the only thing gays guys do is get hot chicks to hang out with them





Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA

so straight guys should hang out with gay guys so when the day comes that the hot chick gets sick of waiting for the big conversion, the straight guy can help her get over it

aer you sure your post made sense?

I like gay people.........The more gay people there are, the more women I can choose from..... :wink:

You can have my old girlfriend. Get her drunk and she won't leave you alone... :shock:

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>

No problem, they irked us as well. :D

gays pfffffffffffffffffffffffft who needs em beside ugly chicks or fat chicks the only thing gays guys do is get hot chicks to hang out with them





Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA

so straight guys should hang out with gay guys so when the day comes that the hot chick gets sick of waiting for the big conversion, the straight guy can help her get over it

aer you sure your post made sense?

nope im just not into debate to many words to read from...anyways this isnt school

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>

No problem, they irked us as well. :D

thanks! :D

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>

no prob, I do the same to the Canadians...

problem is, whenever I do such a thing, a particular Canadian mod shows up

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>


Whats wrong with Nazi's?

:oops: sorry guys! didn't mean to sounds stupid about americans. just some of the nazi's before wound me up i guess.

sorry! <grins sheepishly>


Whats wrong with Nazi's?

oh boy u just opend a can of spam onto this thread

*looks at the next 200 post of why nazi are good or bad


Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA

most mainline denominations of Christianity do NOT allow same-sex marriage...not the Methodists, Baptists, Catholics (who comprise a majority of Christendom), Presbyterians, Lutherans, Mennonites-Amish, etc, I could go on, and one. Finally, despite the American Episcopalian Church's deviant stance, almost all of world Anglicism vehemently disagrees. The largest churches--which are in Africa--have roundly condemned the American Church and declared themselves unequivocably opposed to same sex marriage.

Finally, as to the charge that the state is the one giving out the marriage licenses:
a) precisely the problem, marriage is an institution of religion, NOT of the state--hence the term CIVIL UNION, which is the state equivalent
b) if we're such a democratic society, why do you liberals feel the need to GO OVER OUR HEADS by appealing to the Supreme Court??? It's like the little whiner on the playground who keeps running to the teacher every time he gets ditched in line at dodgeball. THIS IS A DEMOCRACY, which means WE THE PEOPLE decide the law. If the gays want us to allow civil unions, then convince us to vote for them!

Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA



Some of it does

Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA



Some of it does


oh boy did you just quote my quote in a quote that was part of a former quote of a quote of a dead nation that made that quote that you just said...quote

most mainline denominations of Christianity do NOT allow same-sex marriage...not the Methodists, Baptists, Catholics (who comprise a majority of Christendom), Presbyterians, Lutherans, Mennonites-Amish, etc, I could go on, and one. Finally, despite the American Episcopalian Church's deviant stance, almost all of world Anglicism vehemently disagrees. The largest churches--which are in Africa--have roundly condemned the American Church and declared themselves unequivocably opposed to same sex marriage.

Frankly, who ever said anything about Christianity?

Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA



Some of it does


oh boy did you just quote my quote in a quote that was part of a former quote of a quote of a dead nation that made that quote that you just said...quote



:?

Think about it...Does it make sence to you? NSZA



Some of it does


oh boy did you just quote my quote in a quote that was part of a former quote of a quote of a dead nation that made that quote that you just said...quote



:?

there you go angain making confused faces.... :wink:

lol woot to much suger woot lol woot

still very confused

ill give you confusedstill very confused

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.

You did

ill give you confusedstill very confused


Alright I need to take a break from this thread

what're you going to give me?
ill give you confusedstill very confused

Berkylvania, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt:
Same-sex relations ok?
Judaism:
Reform: yes
Conservatives: no
Orthodox: no
Christianity: see previous post
Islam:
Shi'a: no
Sunni: no
Hinduism: no
Buddhism: ?
most "animist" faiths: no
Considering that Islam and Christianity together comprise the largest segment of the earth's religious population, I'd say, yes a majority of religions are against it.

a can of sausagewhat're you going to give me?
ill give you confusedstill very confused

Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.

You did

Actually, I mentioned the church, not even The Church, just referring to established religious societies. You're the one who assumed I ment Christianity. For example, Quakers recognize it as to Unitarian Universalists. Additionally, many individual churches do indeed recognize it despite whatever the official line is of the moment.

Homosexuality as we know it is really an invention of the last century. The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.

To say that there is something unnatural about homosexuality is to assume that there is something natural about heterosexuality. It seems logical, of course, because obviously males and females gotta add up to procreate, but when you get right down to it sexual attraction is a product of your environment. There is no "I like big butts and I cannot lie!" gene, no natural instinct compelling you to hunt out the 36 24 35 girl. As a matter of fact, it wasn't even until relatively recently in our history that it was considered attractive to be thin. Nature just tells you to seek out sexual gratification and society tells you who to seek it out from.

So in a nutshell I don't have any problem with homosexuality.

[quote="House Monzo"]The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.[quote]

I don't think that's completely true. I'm sure some people were open about it, and I'm positive many had homosexual experiences.

Actually, I mentioned the church, not even The Church, just referring to established religious societies. You're the one who assumed I ment Christianity. For example, Quakers recognize it as to Unitarian Universalists. Additionally, many individual churches do indeed recognize it despite whatever the official line is of the moment.

Actually not. read the rest of my posts and you'll see that again most "established religious societies" do NOT recognize homosexuality. Just think about it a minute and you'll see the preponderence of actually believing that most Africans, Indians, south Americans, Indonesians would. Why? As an Anth minor I can tell you, that generally, throughout culture, society or religion, homosexuality is not tolerated. Homosexual marriage is out of the question. As for "many individual churches" uh right. That's obviously false. Most "individual churches" are quite against it. In fact, according to a recent Newsweek poll, 4 out of 10 Americans identify themselves as "evangelical" a group which is staunchly against gay marriage. Then factor in all the traditionalists and frozen chosen who still believe in the Bible, all those Episcopalian churches who want to split, and horror! all the non-American Christians around the world (I've stayed with Christian families in Germany and Indonesia) who are against it, and I'd say:
you're wrong

[quote="House Monzo"]The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.[quote]

How do you know? Well you don't, because that's not true.

I was going to question the role of environment too but this is so tedious. Not one person on earth knows exaclty what causes people to be homosexual but the common scientific opinion is it has an organic cause.

One more thing:
Unitarians are NOT Christians, by their own admission. You don't even have to believe in God to belong to them, let alone Jesus, which is, after all, kind of the point of Christianity.

As for the "Quakers"...wrong again. The true Quakers, decendents of Rev. Fox of England who traveled here to American and were first called by that name, are called "Friends" and most certainly do NOT approve of deviant sexuality. If you have any doubts, I'd suggest looking up Malone College's website, which is a Friends-affiliated College. These people just allowed dancing last year...homosexuality, are you nuts?
So what about these people who call themselves 'Quakers" and who approve of homosexuality? They're a neo-sect which has nothing to do with the historical church called the Quakers. Their beliefs are completely deviant and their numbers are so tiny as to be negligible.

As for the "Quakers"...wrong again. The true Quakers, decendents of Rev. Fox of England who traveled here to American and were first called by that name, are called "Friends" and most certainly do NOT approve of deviant sexuality. If you have any doubts, I'd suggest looking up Malone College's website, which is a Friends-affiliated College. These people just allowed dancing last year...homosexuality, are you nuts?
So what about these people who call themselves 'Quakers" and who approve of homosexuality? They're a neo-sect which has nothing to do with the historical church called the Quakers. Their beliefs are completely deviant and their numbers are so tiny as to be negligible.

I'm calling you out on that one, pal. I am a Quaker and yes, during our one of the Minutes of our Meeting for Business back in 1998, I believe, was an official endorsement of both homosexual marriage and homosexual rights. Frankly, I was impressed and willing to grant you your points until you started spouting off about something you obviously know nothing about.

[quote=House Monzo]The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.[quote]

How do you know? Well you don't, because that's not true.

I was going to question the role of environment too but this is so tedious. Not one person on earth knows exaclty what causes people to be homosexual but the common scientific opinion is it has an organic cause.

It's easy to pontificate on the so-called "common scientific opinon" but obviously not so easy to provide facts...namely b/c there are none. People still don't know exactly what causes homosexual tendencies, and that includes some mysterious "organic cause" whatever the heck that's supposed to mean (our environment, largely composed of other organic beings who influence us...so?). However, due to twin studies (not all twins are the same sexuality, think about that and realize why genes alone are not the answer) and other fruitless searches for the "gay gene" it has widely been speculated that it is ENVIRONMENTAL in nature. Notice, however, that I didn't say it is widely thought to be so, b/c again, no one knows for sure. But any gene proponent is going to have a tough time getting around the twin studies.

I'm calling you out on that one, pal. I am a Quaker and yes, during our one of the Minutes of our Meeting for Business back in 1998, I believe, was an official endorsement of both homosexual marriage and homosexual rights. Frankly, I was impressed and willing to grant you your points until you started spouting off about something you obviously know nothing about.

Call me out if you like, but my family is intermarried with the true Quakers known now as the Friends. My parents both went to a Friends college (Malone) and yes, I know what I'm talking about. Those who call themselves "Quakers" today are a different sect than the Church which has historically been known by that name--a.k.a. The Society of Friends. "Quakers" has always been a pejorative name and thus never fully accepted by those it names.
Finally, I'm sure that your church has "endorsed homosexual marriage and rights" but i wanted to clarify that your church is not the church people think it is. It is, once and for all, not that of George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends, a.k.a. The Quakers

PS no offense Berkylvania. Your church can call itself whatever it likes, but it annoys me when people than assume that the 'conservatives' must be "coming around" now that the Quakers (thinking of the guy on the Quaker Oats box) are "open and affirming." You guys are a new movement and should probably make that more clear, but that is only the humble suggestion of a liberal Mennonite--me.

OK, one more post for me before I go to bed...sorry I sounded so abrasive. It's been a long day (wow, it's 3 am) and well there's no excuse. Sorry. This is a tough issue for which I don't claim to know all the answers. I wish you the best, berkylvania, in your walk with Christ. May He guide you.

PS no offense Berkylvania. Your church can call itself whatever it likes, but it annoys me when people than assume that the 'conservatives' must be "coming around" now that the Quakers (thinking of the guy on the Quaker Oats box) are "open and affirming." You guys are a new movement and should probably make that more clear, but that is only the humble suggestion of a liberal Mennonite--me.

No, we are not a new movement. And while a wide variety of beliefs are attributed to Friends across the spectrum, how dare you suggest that we are not all related to the writings of George Fox and are not all real Friends or Quakers.

http://www.generalpicture.com/gqh.htm

[quote=House Monzo]The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.[quote]

How do you know? Well you don't, because that's not true.

I was going to question the role of environment too but this is so tedious. Not one person on earth knows exaclty what causes people to be homosexual but the common scientific opinion is it has an organic cause.

It's easy to pontificate on the so-called "common scientific opinon" but obviously not so easy to provide facts...namely b/c there are none. People still don't know exactly what causes homosexual tendencies, and that includes some mysterious "organic cause" whatever the heck that's supposed to mean (our environment, largely composed of other organic beings who influence us...so?). However, due to twin studies (not all twins are the same sexuality, think about that and realize why genes alone are not the answer) and other fruitless searches for the "gay gene" it has widely been speculated that it is ENVIRONMENTAL in nature. Notice, however, that I didn't say it is widely thought to be so, b/c again, no one knows for sure. But any gene proponent is going to have a tough time getting around the twin studies.Not neceessarily. Genes are expressed and switched off throughout life. Simply because you have x-gene does nt neceesarily mean it is expressed and considering humans spend 9 months in hormonal soup it is certainly palusible that whatever environemtnal influence there is it mut inlcude prenatal exposure. You shoud also be aware a lot of gays were aware of heir sexuality well before puberty. Heterosxuality is GENETIC, you don't learn it ,it's hardwired and I reckon a reversedf sexual polarity (which is what hmosexuality is as defined in this post -level 6 homosexual) is also genetic. It could vcery well be the genes of the mother as some studies habve shown there is a maternal link to male homosexuality...apolpgies for crappy typing..eating [izza.. mmm

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.



I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys or Girls and Girls.




[edit] I forgot girls and girls

So prove it? Prove what you say is true.

Oh.. and by the way.. I already have my counter arguement for what your most likely going to bring up...

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.



I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys or Girls and Girls.




[edit] I forgot girls and girls

So prove it? Prove what you say is true.

Oh.. and by the way.. I already have my counter arguement for what your most likely going to bring up...




Ok then How can you reproduce if your gay?

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.



I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys or Girls and Girls.




[edit] I forgot girls and girls

So prove it? Prove what you say is true.

Oh.. and by the way.. I already have my counter arguement for what your most likely going to bring up...




Ok then How can you reproduce if your gay?

same way a straight person does. gay people are fertile, too. besides, why is reproductive ability the determining factor? are you saying that oral sex is wrong? that infertile heterosexuals should never have any sexual contact? i'm never going to have children, so does that mean i never get to have sex?

why is reproductive ability the determining factor?

Because thats the way nature meant it



are you saying that oral sex is wrong?

no



that infertile heterosexuals should never have any sexual contact?

no



i'm never going to have children, so does that mean i never get to have sex?

no but if you wanted the option it is there unlike in gay people

please tell me that we're not still talking about this :roll: There;s is a lot more important things in the world.

What the hell are you on? So maybe gay guys let you know a little more than you'd like to. Have you ever met a straight guy who didn't openly flaunt his hetrosexuality. Why do you think this right should de declined to gays?

I don't like hearing straight people talking about their sex life, let a long guy men. I don't understand why you would want to boast about sex. Looks guys, do what you want, i don't care what you and your partners get up to. Just live your life how you want.

If it was up to Darwinism, the gays should be dying off from not being able to procreate according to survival of the fittest. Chew on that a little.

And for Gays .. we don't leave you alone because .... big shocker ... YOU DON'T LEAVE US ALONE! I haven't met a single gay man who hasn't flaunted his gayness in anything he does ... in the workplace ... it doesn't matter where! He can be doing something completely not related to sex or being gay and pull out of "Oh I'd love to do him" from somewhere.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, designer shows ... challenges to constitutions and heading to the government to force the churches (which are suppose to be separate according to you liberals, right?) to give out gay marriage licenses. WE don't leave the GAY society alone because YOU don't live the STRAIGHT society alone.

May ye chew on that as well.

What the hell are you on? So maybe gay guys let you know a little more than you'd like to. Have you ever met a straight guy who didn't openly flaunt his hetrosexuality. Why do you think this right should de declined to gays?

I don't like hearing straight people talking about their sex life, let a lone guy men. I don't understand why you would want to boast about sex. Looks guys, do what you want, i don't care what you and your partners get up to. Just live your life how you want.

I am straight, but feel more sickened by the anti-gay bigots that beat them for their lifestyle choices then their sex life. i think we should all be allowed to live the life we choose, so long as we do not try to enforce it upon others by violent means.
oh, and what does this have to do with naitonstates?

Have you ever met a straight guy who didn't openly flaunt his hetrosexuality.


What do you mean?

I am straight, but feel more sickened by the anti-gay bigots that beat them for their lifestyle choices then their sex life. i think we should all be allowed to live the life we choose, so long as we do not try to enforce it upon others by violent means.
oh, and what does this have to do with naitonstates?

Exactly. Amen brother

I am straight, but feel more sickened by the anti-gay bigots that beat them for their lifestyle choices then their sex life. i think we should all be allowed to live the life we choose, so long as we do not try to enforce it upon others by violent means.
oh, and what does this have to do with naitonstates?



But why do they go around telling everyone their gay like in Gay pride clubs and stuff.

What do you think I meant? I meant I've never met a straight guy who didn't make comments about girls who he thought were hot at one point or another.

why is reproductive ability the determining factor?

Because thats the way nature meant it


erm, no. nature "meant" for homosexuality to exist, as evidenced by the fact that at least 150 animal species show homosexual activity. nature also "means" for us to murder, rape, and steal...that doesn't mean we base our morality on natural selection.



are you saying that oral sex is wrong?

no


that infertile heterosexuals should never have any sexual contact?

no


but oral sex or sex between infertile persons won't make babies! nature clearly doesn't intend either to happen, since it can't "naturally" lead to reproduction!


i'm never going to have children, so does that mean i never get to have sex?

no but if you wanted the option it is there unlike in gay people
and that option isn't there for the infertile, or for women past menopause. so clearly those people don't get to be in love or have sex, since they aren't going to reproduce.

please use your head, little child. breeding isn't the ultimate goal of everyone's life, that's the cool thing about us being humans...we get to have brains (well, many of us) and decide for ourselves whether we want offspring. the ability or desire to procreate is not the defining factor in a person's sexual morality.

What do you think I meant? I meant I've never met a straight guy who didn't make comments about girls who he thought were hot at one point or another.



To other straight guys though not to gay guys

I mean we dont join the straight pride club


We don't run around and tell everyone I am proud to be straight.

And I am.

erm, no. nature "meant" for homosexuality to exist, as evidenced by the fact that at least 150 animal species show homosexual activity. nature also "means" for us to murder, rape, and steal...that doesn't mean we base our morality on natural selection.



If it was up to Darwinism, the gays should be dying off from not being able to procreate according to survival of the fittest. Chew on that a little.

And for Gays .. we don't leave you alone because .... big shocker ... YOU DON'T LEAVE US ALONE! I haven't met a single gay man who hasn't flaunted his gayness in anything he does ... in the workplace ... it doesn't matter where! He can be doing something completely not related to sex or being gay and pull out of "Oh I'd love to do him" from somewhere.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, designer shows ... challenges to constitutions and heading to the government to force the churches (which are suppose to be separate according to you liberals, right?) to give out gay marriage licenses. WE don't leave the GAY society alone because YOU don't live the STRAIGHT society alone.

May ye chew on that as well.




please use your head, little child. breeding isn't the ultimate goal of everyone's life, that's the cool thing about us being humans...we get to have brains (well, many of us) and decide for ourselves whether we want offspring. the ability or desire to procreate is not the defining factor in a person's sexual morality.



Ever heard of the story of Sodom and Gomorroh in the Bible

WHAT THE ******* DOES THIS EVEN HAVE TO DO WITH NATIONSTATES!?

WHAT THE ******* DOES THIS EVEN HAVE TO DO WITH NATIONSTATES!?


nothing


that is the purpose of the General Forum

What do you think I meant? I meant I've never met a straight guy who didn't make comments about girls who he thought were hot at one point or another.



To other straight guys though not to gay guys

I mean we dont join the straight pride club


We don't run around and tell everyone I am proud to be straight.

And I am.

I'm a girl, and from my experience, guys make comments about girls to whoever's nearest, whether you want to hear them or not. So if we can put up with it you should put up with gay guys.

Gay people join gay pride clubs because they're are constantly being told their feeling are wrong. They need a way to show it's not getting to them

Ever heard of the story of Sodom and Gomorroh in the Bible
Ever heard the story of Matt Black in One Fine Day in the Middle of the Night?

Quoting a book doesn't make an argument.

Personally, I couldn't care either way, any bloke who thinks gay men are going to jump him is flattering himself. :roll:

erm, no. nature "meant" for homosexuality to exist, as evidenced by the fact that at least 150 animal species show homosexual activity. nature also "means" for us to murder, rape, and steal...that doesn't mean we base our morality on natural selection.



If it was up to Darwinism, the gays should be dying off from not being able to procreate according to survival of the fittest. Chew on that a little.



actually, in many cases homosexuality has been shown to increase the reproductive fitness of an individual in a species. one reason is that homosexual individuals help raise siblings, who are just as genetically related to them as their offspring would be, and in other cases they are individuals who would have trouble reproducing otherwise so simply help their group to raise young.

additionally, i have already pointed out the falacy of using reproductive fitness to dictate human actions...if we work on just plain selection then we shouldn't allow anyone to have medical care, because the should be dying off anyway based on pure selection. furthermore, we shouldn't allow Christian morality to predominate our culture, because it is very strongly anti-Darwinist.




please use your head, little child. breeding isn't the ultimate goal of everyone's life, that's the cool thing about us being humans...we get to have brains (well, many of us) and decide for ourselves whether we want offspring. the ability or desire to procreate is not the defining factor in a person's sexual morality.

Ever heard of the story of Sodom and Gomorroh in the Bible

yes, and it has no bearing here. God "gave them over" to the sinful acts, and the actual destruction of the town was related to breaching hospitality. also, in that story Lot is willing to give his two virgin daughters to a mob so they can be raped...do you really advocate that sort of thing? should men get drunk and have sex with their daughters, as Lot does?

ever heard of Leviticus? according to it, you aren't allowed to wear jeans, or eat shellfish, or plant two different crops in your vegitable garden. you can sell female relatives into slavery if you want, and your parents are obligated to have you killed if you curse at them. working on the Sabath is a death-worthy offense.

we don't base all morality on the Bible, kiddo. get over it.

I'm a girl, and from my experience, guys make comments about girls to whoever's nearest, whether you want to hear them or not. So if we can put up with it you should put up with gay guys.


Now unless you extremely hot a guy wont tell a person they dont know the fact that that is hot. Usually it is to a person they know that they make that comment.



Gay people join gay pride clubs because they're are constantly being told their feeling are wrong. They need a way to show it's not getting to them


So if someone said my feelings about girls were wrong then I should start a club of straight people so that can help my feelings.

Ever heard of the story of Sodom and Gomorroh in the Bible

Yeh I have then the 'good righteous' man offers the angel his virgin daugthers. That story is pretty screwed really and in future try getting something alittle bit more true to life. It might actually mean something.

[quote="House Monzo"]The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.[quote]

I don't think that's completely true. I'm sure some people were open about it, and I'm positive many had homosexual experiences.

thats true, the roman emperor hadrian was gay iirc (but he was married nevertheless)

Now unless you extremely hot a guy wont tell a person they dont know the fact that that is hot. Usually it is to a person they know that they make that comment.


You know if you make sense it might help your case.


So if someone said my feelings about girls were wrong then I should start a club of straight people so that can help my feelings.

Go ahead you know a club might be a good way for you to make some friends :P

According to Lot incest and rape are AOK.


Also "Sadomy" according to that story can be interpreted diffrently.

I am ok with gays but here is the problem.

1) I dont want to see you and your partner being gay.

2) I dont want to know your gay.

3) I dont want to see gay people get married



*Sorry if this offends people*

What if we don't want to see you and your partner being straight? What if we don't want to know you're straight?What if we don't want to see you straight people get married?

Berkylvania, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt:
Same-sex relations ok?
Judaism:
Reform: yes
Conservatives: no
Orthodox: no
Christianity: see previous post
Islam:
Shi'a: no
Sunni: no
Hinduism: no
Buddhism: ?
most "animist" faiths: no
Considering that Islam and Christianity together comprise the largest segment of the earth's religious population, I'd say, yes a majority of religions are against it.

First off: Who gives a stuff about religion?
Second: I'm not interfering with your rights.
Third: I think most gay people care more about the discrimination - about being unable to get the same tax breaks, legal benefits, or indeed responsibilities, as a heterosexual couple. Not to mention nazi f*cktards with the queer "jokes" and the gay-bashing. If a church does or does not want to marry you then that is up to the church involved. Personally I'll go to hell before I ever get married in a church, whatever gender partner I end up with.
Fourth: I have still yet to see any more solid reason against granting a gay couple all the legal rights and responsibilities as a straight couple, than "ewww I don't like it it's stinky/unnatural/blasphemous/a mental disorder".
Fifth: Throughout history, persecuted or disadvantaged minority groups have challenged current modes of thought through the use of demonstrations, protests and, yes, outrageous in-your-face acts, coupled with court action, to "get their way" (that is, to be recognised as human). If they don't, they get nothing. Mormons just sitting back and accepting restrictions on how many people they can marry being a case in point.

And again, who gives a stuff about religion? That's a red herring in this argument and always was.

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Nobody's asking the CHURCH to give out marriage certificates- they're asking the STATE. Big difference and you should be aware of it.

Because the government is their only hope. But most states dont allow smae sex marriages. And if they do they have stopped for the time being.

Actually, that's not true. There are becoming an increasing number of religions that are supporting full and equal marriage for same-gendered couples. It's quickly turning back to the states to justify why they refuse to allow a church-sanctioned union from also being a legally recognized civil union.

You did

Actually, I mentioned the church, not even The Church, just referring to established religious societies. You're the one who assumed I ment Christianity. For example, Quakers recognize it as to Unitarian Universalists. Additionally, many individual churches do indeed recognize it despite whatever the official line is of the moment.

Also, a schism may occur in the Methodist Church over the issue of homosexuality.

:? why is it that all you american straight guys are so obsessed with what us gay guys do? why don't you just get on with your sex life and let us get on with ours?

i'm from britain and here no-one cares what other people are doing - as long as you're gettin' some, thats a good thing.

for all the non-homophobic, right-wing, nazi biggots in the USA - LONG LIVE AMERICA! (AND DOWN WITH BUSH :lol: )

to the rest of you, guys, get a life, yeah?

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT!

Everyone should mind their own business. I don't care who is gay or straight. If the gays want to go clubing at night, that's their business. Everyone leave everyone else alone.

The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.

How do you know? Well you don't, because that's not true.

I was going to question the role of environment too but this is so tedious. Not one person on earth knows exaclty what causes people to be homosexual but the common scientific opinion is it has an organic cause.

It's easy to pontificate on the so-called "common scientific opinon" but obviously not so easy to provide facts...namely b/c there are none. People still don't know exactly what causes homosexual tendencies, and that includes some mysterious "organic cause" whatever the heck that's supposed to mean (our environment, largely composed of other organic beings who influence us...so?). However, due to twin studies (not all twins are the same sexuality, think about that and realize why genes alone are not the answer) and other fruitless searches for the "gay gene" it has widely been speculated that it is ENVIRONMENTAL in nature. Notice, however, that I didn't say it is widely thought to be so, b/c again, no one knows for sure. But any gene proponent is going to have a tough time getting around the twin studies.

Actually, twin studies support theories of a biological predisposition to homosexuality, and such studies have been far from fruitless. It seems that you are the one who'll need to be "getting around the twin studies," because they do nothing to support your argument.

I dont want to know about gay people. I would rather go my entire life not finding out that my best friend is gay then having him tell me that he is.

Right, so you want your SEP field in place right?

I’m amazed how this continues to be an issue. I understand people have this instinct, if u will, for not accepting what is different from them. Differences can be challenging, and sameness is more comfortable. But can’t people surpass these irrational feelings and actually think intelligently?

:? why is it that all you american straight guys are so obsessed with what us gay guys do? why don't you just get on with your sex life and let us get on with ours?

i'm from britain and here no-one cares what other people are doing - as long as you're gettin' some, thats a good thing.

for all the non-homophobic, right-wing, nazi biggots in the USA - LONG LIVE AMERICA! (AND DOWN WITH BUSH :lol: )

to the rest of you, guys, get a life, yeah?

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, GET USED TO IT!

Everyone should mind their own business. I don't care who is gay or straight. If the gays want to go clubing at night, that's their business. Everyone leave everyone else alone.

Hey, there's a great idea!

I’m amazed how this continues to be an issue. I understand people have this instinct, if u will, for not accepting what is different from them. Differences can be challenging, and sameness is more comfortable. But can’t people surpass these irrational feelings and actually think intelligently?

I dont want to know about gay people. I would rather go my entire life not finding out that my best friend is gay then having him tell me that he is.

What a wonderful friend you are. :roll:

I’m amazed how this continues to be an issue. I understand people have this instinct, if u will, for not accepting what is different from them. Differences can be challenging, and sameness is more comfortable. But can’t people surpass these irrational feelings and actually think intelligently?

Unfortunately, some people have beliefs which very much forbid free thought. Others are just not strong enough to delve into the uncomfortable waters from which intelligent, rational thought arises.

Being gay is unnatural and a very, very big sin. AIDS and STDs run rampid in the homsexual community, and they flaunt it like it's a good thing. They shouldn't be allowed to adopt and create a whole new generation of gays, and they shouldn't be allowed to marry, since in the Lord's eyes it is an insult to everything he tried to create and make perfect.

My two cents.

Being gay is unnatural and a very, very big sin. AIDS and STDs run rampid in the homsexual community, and they flaunt it like it's a good thing. They shouldn't be allowed to adopt and create a whole new generation of gays, and they shouldn't be allowed to marry, since in the Lord's eyes it is an insult to everything he tried to create and make perfect.

My two cents.

Do some research n00b.

AIDs and STDs run rampant in the heterosexual community too, also surely marriage would help confinine these afflictions.

How do they flaunt it like it is a good thing? I have never seen a gay pride march, but I doubt there are banners saying. "I have AIDs and am proud"

Your logic is flawed. Gays shouldn't marry because they will bring more gays into this world? Because heterosexual couple only bring up heterosexual children don't they

How are you the mouthpiece of the all loving Lord?

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community. And, I meant they flaunt their homosexuality like it's a good thing, not the other way around.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community. And, I meant they flaunt their homosexuality like it's a good thing, not the other way around.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

If they are not your words, then what are your words?

If you are atheist, why even try the religious argument?

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

But the whole world isn't homosexual, and we are not exactly struggling for survival. That point makes about as much sense as, if the whole world were factory workers we would all die.

"C-Bass wrote:
House Monzo wrote:
The human population has always had people attracted to those of their own sex, but everybody kept quiet about it until about the ninteen hundreds.


How do you know? Well you don't, because that's not true. "

Hah, I know because it's a fact. People still are speculating today about whether Shakespear was gay or not. Oscar Wilde was brought on trial for being gay long before there was an inoffencive word for it. In those times it was not as uncommon as you'd think for people to have homosexual encounters, but people were so afraid of the social and religious reprecussions that nobody could be open about it.

Only back in ancient Greece were people permitted to be open about homosexuality. In fact, they had certain customs that involved mass lesbian orgies. It was completely normal to them, and more people took part in it, supporting the theory of nurture vs nature.

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community. And, I meant they flaunt their homosexuality like it's a good thing, not the other way around.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

If they are not your words, then what are your words?

If you are atheist, why even try the religious argument?
I didn't try a religious argument, my brother did. He's telling me what to type here. My words are let people be who they wanna be. I just don't like homosexuals ever since one tried to rape me last year.

Gracious, is this thing still going on?

My big thing with gays is the fact that it doesnt seem natural to me.



I am sorry to offend but its not right. Guy and Girls were meant to be together not Guys and Guys or Girls and Girls.




[edit] I forgot girls and girls

Erm, acutally, it IS natural. About 1-2% of all animals in the world are "homosexual," and don't mate properly. It's a totally natural thing. It may seem like there's a lot of gay people in our world, but that's just because we have a lot of people. ~shrugs~

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

But the whole world isn't homosexual, and we are not exactly struggling for survival. That point makes about as much sense as, if the whole world were factory workers we would all die.

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

But the whole world isn't homosexual, and we are not exactly struggling for survival. That point makes about as much sense as, if the whole world were factory workers we would all die.

Exactly. In fact, the whole heterosexual world isn't even capable of producing viable offspring. The need to procreate is a terrible reason for denying rights and dignity to a class of people, regardless of wether it's a choice or genetics. That's like saying the Shakers had no right to exist because they chose sexual abstinance as part of their faith. And as for sexual disease, the fact is that it is more commonplace in the heterosexual world just because there are more heterosexuals to have sex in the first place. Qualitatively, the demographics are not that different and, in fact (and I know I've said this before), if you look at world numbers, AIDS is now more of a plauge on heterosexual women and children than on homosexuals.

Actually, I myself am an athiest. "Heterosexuals are the 'right' way to go." (Not my words, but my dad's, so don't yell at me about it.) AIDs and STDs do, but at a lower ratio than the homosexual community. And, I meant they flaunt their homosexuality like it's a good thing, not the other way around.

Let's put it this way, if the whole world were homosexual, humans would die.

If they are not your words, then what are your words?

If you are atheist, why even try the religious argument?
I didn't try a religious argument, my brother did. He's telling me what to type here. My words are let people be who they wanna be. I just don't like homosexuals ever since one tried to rape me last year.

I don't mean to sound too unsympathetic here, but I'm going to court tomorrow over an incident (well, long series of incidents) with a headmaster and close family friend that started when I was between 9 and 11 years old (if I remember rightly). So don't expect that to shock me too much. Don't expect me to be online as much as I have been for the next few weeks either, and don't expect me to be too explicit about information that may harm my case.

I don't hate headmasters though - (or choirmasters for that matter, or organists). Try not to let the actions of an individual cloud your judgement of an entire demographic group. That's one way that hate groups such as the KKK get their members.