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so true...so sad

Last time I checked- nobody went "Praise Allah"...Stop posting thats so inflammatory...the arabs aren't even all that bad...

Last time I checked- nobody went "Praise Allah"...Stop posting thats so inflammatory...the arabs aren't even all that bad...


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Its so sad you can't see the truth!

Last time I checked- nobody went "Praise Allah"...Stop posting thats so inflammatory...the arabs aren't even all that bad...

it's not his picture

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3594581.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3594581.stm

[non-sarcasm]Well that's comforting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3594581.stm


WOW!!!!!! ONE WHOLE TOWN! :roll:

I seem to remember seeing Arab children carrying the body parts through the streets with huge grins spread across their faces.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

I seem to remember seeing Arab children carrying the body parts through the streets with huge grins spread across their faces.


Don't forget US soldiers being dragged and then hung from a bridge.

I seem to remember seeing Arab children carrying the body parts through the streets with huge grins spread across their faces.

"Mommy! Isha can have her kidney surgery now!"


Okay...that was my sad attempt for laughs

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


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Not one Conservative I know called it that.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

sorry to burst your bubble, but I haven't seen one American around here act in that way. They're as angry as the Iraqis about this, and your going to see some action on our part....maybe....if we're lucky

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

sorry to burst your bubble, but I haven't seen one American around here act in that way. They're as angry as the Iraqis about this, and your going to see some action on our part....maybe....if we're lucky


The guys who did it are screwed.

Just what kind of action? This could be interesting.

Yes people do a lot of sick things- and its horrible...but those kids don't represent everyone...and let me point out the clerics said it was against islam...so it's not like people there are barbarians

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

sorry to burst your bubble, but I haven't seen one American around here act in that way. They're as angry as the Iraqis about this, and your going to see some action on our part....maybe....if we're lucky


The guys who did it are screwed.

yes, yes they were. Unfortunatly, they were Americans as well.

Ah yes, the Arab streets. There's one just down the road, and probably lots in all those loser countries. That's...quite the racist cartoon.

Still, at least we all agree that it's okay to torture people if some of their countrymen forcibly resist and/or praise such resistance to our military invasion of their nation state. Like, if I came round to your house and chopped off your girlfriend's legs and you took a swing at me and your son cheered when my nose broke, I'd be well within my rights to beat your sister to the floor and put her on a leash, I suppose. Of course I'd get to make a cartoon about the cheer your son gave so we all know there's no hard feelings.

I'm going to bed.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


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Not one Conservative I know called it that.


i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.

Yes people do a lot of sick things- and its horrible...but those kids don't represent everyone...and let me point out the clerics said it was against islam...so it's not like people there are barbarians


They are Barbarians, Osama is as popular in the Middle East as Sanata Claus is in the USA!

Ah yes, the Arab streets. There's one just down the road, and probably lots in all those loser countries. That's...quite the racist cartoon.

Still, at least we all agree that it's okay to torture people if some of their countrymen forcibly resist and/or praise such resistance to our military invasion of their nation state. Like, if I came round to your house and chopped off your girlfriend's legs and you took a swing at me and your son cheered when my nose broke, I'd be well within my rights to beat your sister to the floor and put her on a leash, I suppose. Of course I'd get to make a cartoon about the cheer your son gave so we all know there's no hard feelings.

I'm going to bed.


Why do Liberals defend terrorists? I hope you and your whole family pays for that ignorant and insulting cooment you made!

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


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Not one Conservative I know called it that.


i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.


Fox News condemed it.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

sorry to burst your bubble, but I haven't seen one American around here act in that way. They're as angry as the Iraqis about this, and your going to see some action on our part....maybe....if we're lucky


The guys who did it are screwed.

but probably not the members of military intelligence who told them to treat them that way, nor the higher ups in the intelligence community who have been blurring the line between interrogation and torture since the war on terrorism gave them the green light. this is the way the internees at gitmo are treated, but no one cares because they have been labelled terrorists by the us government.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


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Not one Conservative I know called it that.


i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.
Beat me to it. Yeppers, Rush sure did that thing. Bubble remains unburst.

But we are dealing with the "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery" conservatives here.....

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


:roll:


Not one Conservative I know called it that.


i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.
Beat me to it. Yeppers, Rush sure did that thing. Bubble remains unburst.

But we are dealing with the "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery" conservatives here.....


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Oh boy, The lies and ignorance that comes out of the mouths of NS socialists never fails to shock me.

Yes people do a lot of sick things- and its horrible...but those kids don't represent everyone...and let me point out the clerics said it was against islam...so it's not like people there are barbarians


They are Barbarians, Osama is as popular in the Middle East as Sanata Claus is in the USA!

yup and idiots like you and that racist cartoonist are the reason why. if those gross ethnic sterotypes were representing jews or blacks it would only have been publishable in nazi websites, but cuz its arabs its okay.

Luger, wishing death upon people's families is flamebait of the most pathetic order. Sit and think for a moment, try to behave like a civilised human being, or someone might get pre-emptive on you and break your head open before you touch their family.

And yes, Rush did say that (re. hazing).

Yes people do a lot of sick things- and its horrible...but those kids don't represent everyone...and let me point out the clerics said it was against islam...so it's not like people there are barbarians


They are Barbarians, Osama is as popular in the Middle East as Sanata Claus is in the USA!

Where did you get that idea? If you look at the Zogby polls the only issues the Arab world had with us was our support for Israel and dictatorships like Saudi Arabia+ Egypt.
They share many of our other values except for a misguided belief in Islamic democracy...

There are more Palestinians in America than there are in Palestine..they wouldn't be coming here if they had broad objections to America

just because one side committs atrocities doesn't make it ok for the other side to stoop to that level. It's wrong no matter who does it. Just because what happened in Fallujah was wrong doesn't mean that what happened in Abu Ghraib wasn't. I say court-martials for all involved.
Atrocity is atrocity, and that's all there is to it.

just because one side committs atrocities doesn't make it ok for the other side to stoop to that level. It's wrong no matter who does it. Just because what happened in Fallujah was wrong doesn't mean that what happened in Abu Ghraib wasn't. I say court-martials for all involved.
Atrocity is atrocity, and that's all there is to it.

amen

although neither side knew the other was going to do such things. The Iraqis never knew about the prisoner abuse, and they just tortured the Americans on their own

I don't believe either side is innocent ...but while the Palestinians get a lot of flak (deservedly), Israel is NEVER taken to task-

So if you have any moral clarity, condemn Israel as wel- or maybe you want to hear it from Israelis themselves?


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/8/180718.shtml

It appears to be pretty fair and balanced..

The Americans apologising to the Arabians was just absurd. Sure, it's wrong of the Americans, but the Saudis are among the world's gravest human rights abusers. They are the real enemy.

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.

Not one Conservative I know called it that.

i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.

lots of conservatives said it was like a hazing - never mind that hazings are illegal for a reason. but see incertonia's thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143741) for some links to their words. rush did one better than just trying to downplay the war crimes. he frelling endorsed them.

This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives over it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You [ever] heard of need to blow some steam off?

of course the comic could just as easily be written the other way. showing an american conservative crying for blood at the death of four mercenaries, and calling torture and rape of iraqis a harmless prank, much like a fraternity hazing.


:roll:


Not one Conservative I know called it that.


i'm pretty sure rush and some of his fox news tailists did.
Beat me to it. Yeppers, Rush sure did that thing. Bubble remains unburst.

But we are dealing with the "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery" conservatives here.....


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Oh boy, The lies and ignorance that comes out of the mouths of NS socialists never fails to shock me.

from Hannity & Colmes:

ROBINSON: Well, one thing that needs to be understood, is that there's also an impact on the torturer. ... Now, I use the word torture, but that's not what's happening in these pictures.

HANNITY: What is it?

ROBINSON: I've seen -- I've seen worse than this at -- frat hazing is worse than this.

HANNITY: So in other words, this is not a big deal? What should the punishment be if these guys in fact are found guilty of whatever is going on over there, whatever is going on?

ROBINSON: Well, it's not torture. If it was, they'd be accused of torture. They're accused of maltreatment. I'm not making excuses for them.

from Rush:

RUSH: Exactly. Exactly my point! This is no different than what happens at the skull and bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You of heard of need to blow some steam off?

I think it's important to point out that whilst Arabs might feel appalled (and rightly so) that this has occurred, there is not a single Arab state that does not have an appalling record on human rights, or where even more extreme acts of torture are commonplace. I hope that the outrage shown by many Arabs in reaction to these pictures will now be focused upon their own rulers leading to a wave of humanitarian reforms and delivering a crushing blow to Islamic conservatives who advocate barbaric practices based on the legal principle of Sharia. Like when a raped woman is stoned to death for having being unfaithful to her husband.

Ooo, I wanna play too!

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There, now it's in a form even Lex should be able to understand. :twisted:

That's a good cartoon!

Ooo, I wanna play too!

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040507/wells.gif

There, now it's in a form even Lex should be able to understand. :twisted:



Still trying your best to make Terrorists look good? Go kill yourself!

Still trying your best to make Terrorists look good? Go kill yourself!

charged anyone with terrorism in a court of law recently? convicted anyone?

almost all of those currently being held by the us in iraq are people picked up in random sweeps based on as much evidence as stalin required.

The fact that they do immoral things to our guys makes no difference. If we do horrible things to them, can we really say we're morally superior to them?

Besides, what would Jesus say? I'm completely serious. Blessed are the merciful for mercy shall be theirs. I may be a liberal, but I am a strong believer in Jesus' message of treating others the way you would like to be treated.

I am shocked that some people are trying to pass this off as justified, a prank or "no big deal." We are supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard than that exhibited by several of our troops. In my own opinion, anyone who attempts to characterize this incident as anything less than appalling is either deluding him/herself, or simply delusional.

If they wanted "release" then I guess they should have brought along a porn mag, comedy movie, or a joke book. Because what they did can be described in one word: wrong. Even if the people who were abused were terrorists, and hence deserved punishment, troops still had no right to take it upon themselves to deal it out. We are a nation of laws, even when occupying a foreign country.
This is America, but these actions were quite clearly, torture or not, abuse. We don't do that here, there is no excuse.

It's interesting to note Americans can't be prosecuted for war crimes as they don't recognised the court which is charged with prosecuting the sames criminals which the US condemns.

Double standards!

Still trying your best to make Terrorists look good? Go kill yourself!
OK, you're toast.

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Still trying your best to make Terrorists look good? Go kill yourself!
OK, you're toast.

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Lex Luger
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One, Two, Three, You're out! :)

It's interesting to note Americans can't be prosecuted for war crimes as they don't recognised the court which is charged with prosecuting the sames criminals which the US condemns.

Double standards!

Oh yes..recognize a Court that won't give the same protections that our own Judicial system gives number 1..number 2....nothing in our Constitution EVER abdicates our citizens or military personnel to a foreign power or in this case..the ICC...and I see no reason why I should be held accountable to a foreign body that may have ulterior motives toward me? How am I supposed to expect a fair hearing from a foreign court where the court may already be biased against Americans?

It's interesting to note Americans can't be prosecuted for war crimes as they don't recognised the court which is charged with prosecuting the sames criminals which the US condemns.

Double standards!

Oh yes..recognize a Court that won't give the same protections that our own Judicial system gives number 1..number 2....nothing in our Constitution EVER abdicates our citizens or military personnel to a foreign power or in this case..the ICC...and I see no reason why I should be held accountable to a foreign body that may have ulterior motives toward me? How am I supposed to expect a fair hearing from a foreign court where the court may already be biased against Americans?

why is it that every other country is willing to submit themselves to the same court? why does the us get to sit above the ret of the world, not having to play by the same rules it expects others to? if we were really in iraq because we were trying to improve their civil rights and protect them against torture and murder, if the rights of humanity really were what was guiding our foreign policy, we should be the first to sign that treaty. we are scared we wont be able to torture iraqis or viets or koreans, and that is why we dont sign the treaty. the rules are laid out as to what constitutes a war crime. why can we join in nato or any other treaty without reservations, but as soon as something might limit our power, we balk? the iicc just wants everybody to play by the same set of rules, have everybody be answerable to their crimes. its not used against anybody any more than the us courts are. god damn we are paranoid.

It's interesting to note Americans can't be prosecuted for war crimes as they don't recognised the court which is charged with prosecuting the sames criminals which the US condemns.

Double standards!

Oh yes..recognize a Court that won't give the same protections that our own Judicial system gives number 1..number 2....nothing in our Constitution EVER abdicates our citizens or military personnel to a foreign power or in this case..the ICC...and I see no reason why I should be held accountable to a foreign body that may have ulterior motives toward me? How am I supposed to expect a fair hearing from a foreign court where the court may already be biased against Americans?


When you are acting internationally you are subject to international rules and laws just as when you act domestically you are subject to domestic rules and laws in this case the constitution. It's a simple matter of jurisdiction. The idea that a panel of judges will convict a person based on some irrational anti-Americanism is frankly ludicrous.