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Just recently I got around to renting and watching the movie "We Were Soldiers." Firstly, I would recommend this movie, but that is not my topic here. My topic here relates to the respect that these Vietnam war vets, and still get, or perhaps it would be better to say what they did not, and still do not get. When you see "We Were Soldiers" you will probably feel a sense of respect, gratitude, and perhaps sorrow for the American Soldiers depicted as dying, partially for thier country, but mainly for the guy next to them, their brother, and ultimatly their friend.
I now pose a question to you: with such movies as Black Hawk Down, Saving Pvt. Ryan and We Were Soldiers, how can this disrespect continue. Many people I talk to who do not support our soldiers have seen these movies and like them. Still, they continue to dislike the Iraq cause. The soldiers in Iraq would feel worse if you pulled them out now. They would see their fellow comrade's as being a waste, they will think they were used and then thrown to the side.
Such politicians as Kerry are part of this group. If you wish to protest the soldiers in Iraq, you do not deny them provisions such as armor that will save lives, and then turn around and say you support these soldiers. Likewise, you do not fight in Vietnam, get medals for it, and then go home and tell the American people how horrible it is/was. Kerry is a DISHONOR to all soldiers in the Vietnam, let alone every other soldier in the US who has fought, and consquently died for what he believed in.

Overall, I suppose I just wanted to get that out, but my point is to everyone, show your support for our guys who live and are willing to die for our nation, for OUR freedom. Don't show them a cold shoulder. Even if you did however, they would still be there to fight for us, because theey truly believe in what they are doing, and their faith in this cannot be extinguished by a few wet behind the ears, yellow politicians.

Give our guys what they deserve

I don't have anything against your average American soldier, rather the reasons that they are in this situation in the first place.

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

It's a war of conquest.

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The major advantage for the Vietnam War, not recognised at the time, is that in that war the Shrub was hiding at home and hitting the bottle.

Too bad we can't go back in time and keep Saddam in power, so you can have that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

In the good old days Bush's warm fuzzy feeling came out of a bottle.

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

Nah... You're confusing the warm-fuzzy feeling with the feeling of a broomstick rammed in your bottom...

A totally different thing.

The soldiers in Iraq would feel worse if you pulled them out now.

What makes you think you are qualified to tell us how the soldiers now stationed in Iraq feel about a possible retreat? I recall how two US soldiers are now applying for refugee status in Canada because they feel objected by the whole war in Iraq. Do you seriously think they are the only two US soldiers who feel that the US has no reason to be in Iraq in the first place, let alone an excuse to continue its stay? The way I see it you are assuming an awefull lot. All of if based on watching a few hollywood movies or so it seems. :shock:

I agree with you in that risking your own life to save the life of the soldier next to you is a indeed an action worthy of any man's respect, but thats not all that happened in Vietnam. Far from it. As you may know, at times the conduct of the vietnam soldier was just as depicable as that of the soldiers in Iraq who tortured Iraqi POW. :( And it was the later that created the resentment that the public unleashed on them when they came home. So the majority got convicted for what undoubtedly were the warcrimes of a minority. :cry:

Hence the respect that those who did fight in Vietnam as honorable as circumstances would permit stayed out :( And its doubtfull that this wrong will be corrected anytime soon thanks to both a disinterest and an ignorance on the side of the public.

The major advantage for the Vietnam War, not recognised at the time, is that in that war the Shrub was hiding at home and hitting the bottle.

Isn't he still hiding? :evil:

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

Nah... You're confusing the warm-fuzzy feeling with the feeling of a broomstick rammed in your bottom...

A totally different thing.

You talk with an authority that can only come from having enjoyed the experience yourself :lol:

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

In the good old days Bush's warm fuzzy feeling came out of a bottle.

Don't underestimate the warm fuzzy feeling that the extremist gets from imagining to be God's chosen one :cry:

Just recently I got around to renting and watching the movie "We Were Soldiers." Firstly, I would recommend this movie, but that is not my topic here. My topic here relates to the respect that these Vietnam war vets, and still get, or perhaps it would be better to say what they did not, and still do not get. When you see "We Were Soldiers" you will probably feel a sense of respect, gratitude, and perhaps sorrow for the American Soldiers depicted as dying, partially for thier country, but mainly for the guy next to them, their brother, and ultimatly their friend.
I now pose a question to you: with such movies as Black Hawk Down, Saving Pvt. Ryan and We Were Soldiers, how can this disrespect continue. Many people I talk to who do not support our soldiers have seen these movies and like them. Still, they continue to dislike the Iraq cause. The soldiers in Iraq would feel worse if you pulled them out now. They would see their fellow comrade's as being a waste, they will think they were used and then thrown to the side.
Such politicians as Kerry are part of this group. If you wish to protest the soldiers in Iraq, you do not deny them provisions such as armor that will save lives, and then turn around and say you support these soldiers. Likewise, you do not fight in Vietnam, get medals for it, and then go home and tell the American people how horrible it is/was. Kerry is a DISHONOR to all soldiers in the Vietnam, let alone every other soldier in the US who has fought, and consquently died for what he believed in.

Overall, I suppose I just wanted to get that out, but my point is to everyone, show your support for our guys who live and are willing to die for our nation, for OUR freedom. Don't show them a cold shoulder. Even if you did however, they would still be there to fight for us, because theey truly believe in what they are doing, and their faith in this cannot be extinguished by a few wet behind the ears, yellow politicians.

Give our guys what they deserve
Did you ever have to fight in a real war?
Kerry fought in a war and he has the right and freedom of speech to determine if it was a horrible war?

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

Nah... You're confusing the warm-fuzzy feeling with the feeling of a broomstick rammed in your bottom...

A totally different thing.

You talk with an authority that can only come from having enjoyed the experience yourself :lol:

It doesn't take a genius to see that the two are different...

Yes, America, please continue your criminal war...Otherwise your soldiers won't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside.

neither will the Iraqis...

Nah... You're confusing the warm-fuzzy feeling with the feeling of a broomstick rammed in your bottom...

A totally different thing.

You talk with an authority that can only come from having enjoyed the experience yourself :lol:

It doesn't take a genius to see that the two are different...

A dissapointingly weak comeback :(

Such politicians as Kerry are part of this group. If you wish to protest the soldiers in Iraq, you do not deny them provisions such as armor that will save lives, and then turn around and say you support these soldiers. Likewise, you do not fight in Vietnam, get medals for it, and then go home and tell the American people how horrible it is/was. Kerry is a DISHONOR to all soldiers in the Vietnam, let alone every other soldier in the US who has fought, and consquently died for what he believed in.

OK first off, this is flat off wrong. He voted against the bill because it was not fiscally responsible. The original version which actually raised taxes to PAY for the bill he voted for.

Second, had that bill not passed, the soldiers still would have had body armor and bullets and everything else they needed.

Third, Freedom of speech, you can go anywhere, and if you think something is wrong, you have a moral obligation to speak out against it. This war is Bullshit, we aren't even taking their damned oil! How does this war benefit the average American citizen?

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It doesn't? No WMD's there to threaten us. So why stay? How does it benefit AMERICA. We can't get their oil production up to full speed, and other than that they have nothing we want. So screw them.

So screw them.

Thats already happening as we speak :( As is the american citizen, who apparently puts up with it for reasons yet unknown to me.

Just recently I got around to renting and watching the movie "We Were Soldiers." Firstly, I would recommend this movie, but that is not my topic here. My topic here relates to the respect that these Vietnam war vets, and still get, or perhaps it would be better to say what they did not, and still do not get. When you see "We Were Soldiers" you will probably feel a sense of respect, gratitude, and perhaps sorrow for the American Soldiers depicted as dying, partially for thier country, but mainly for the guy next to them, their brother, and ultimatly their friend.
I now pose a question to you: with such movies as Black Hawk Down, Saving Pvt. Ryan and We Were Soldiers, how can this disrespect continue. Many people I talk to who do not support our soldiers have seen these movies and like them. Still, they continue to dislike the Iraq cause. The soldiers in Iraq would feel worse if you pulled them out now. They would see their fellow comrade's as being a waste, they will think they were used and then thrown to the side.
Such politicians as Kerry are part of this group. If you wish to protest the soldiers in Iraq, you do not deny them provisions such as armor that will save lives, and then turn around and say you support these soldiers. Likewise, you do not fight in Vietnam, get medals for it, and then go home and tell the American people how horrible it is/was. Kerry is a DISHONOR to all soldiers in the Vietnam, let alone every other soldier in the US who has fought, and consquently died for what he believed in.

Overall, I suppose I just wanted to get that out, but my point is to everyone, show your support for our guys who live and are willing to die for our nation, for OUR freedom. Don't show them a cold shoulder. Even if you did however, they would still be there to fight for us, because theey truly believe in what they are doing, and their faith in this cannot be extinguished by a few wet behind the ears, yellow politicians.

Give our guys what they deserve
Did you ever have to fight in a real war?
Kerry fought in a war and he has the right and freedom of speech to determine if it was a horrible war?

When Kerry decides whether he's a war criminal (as he's said) or a war hero (as he's also said), then maybe people will take him seriously. Either way, he has no right to come home from the war and accuse soldiers of crimes without evidence, other than rumors.

I think we should slaughter the soldiers and spit on their families.

I think we should slaughter the soldiers and spit on their families.

Thank you for that cogent and coherent response. :roll:

Give our guys what they deserve They are getting what they deserve: a paycheck. This is their job, nothing more. They deserve no more respect than the policeman or the garbageman.

Just recently I got around to renting and watching the movie "We Were Soldiers." Firstly, I would recommend this movie, but that is not my topic here. My topic here relates to the respect that these Vietnam war vets, and still get, or perhaps it would be better to say what they did not, and still do not get. When you see "We Were Soldiers" you will probably feel a sense of respect, gratitude, and perhaps sorrow for the American Soldiers depicted as dying, partially for thier country, but mainly for the guy next to them, their brother, and ultimatly their friend.
I now pose a question to you: with such movies as Black Hawk Down, Saving Pvt. Ryan and We Were Soldiers, how can this disrespect continue. Many people I talk to who do not support our soldiers have seen these movies and like them. Still, they continue to dislike the Iraq cause. The soldiers in Iraq would feel worse if you pulled them out now. They would see their fellow comrade's as being a waste, they will think they were used and then thrown to the side.
Such politicians as Kerry are part of this group. If you wish to protest the soldiers in Iraq, you do not deny them provisions such as armor that will save lives, and then turn around and say you support these soldiers. Likewise, you do not fight in Vietnam, get medals for it, and then go home and tell the American people how horrible it is/was. Kerry is a DISHONOR to all soldiers in the Vietnam, let alone every other soldier in the US who has fought, and consquently died for what he believed in.

Overall, I suppose I just wanted to get that out, but my point is to everyone, show your support for our guys who live and are willing to die for our nation, for OUR freedom. Don't show them a cold shoulder. Even if you did however, they would still be there to fight for us, because theey truly believe in what they are doing, and their faith in this cannot be extinguished by a few wet behind the ears, yellow politicians.

Give our guys what they deserve
Did you ever have to fight in a real war?
Kerry fought in a war and he has the right and freedom of speech to determine if it was a horrible war?

When Kerry decides whether he's a war criminal (as he's said) or a war hero (as he's also said), then maybe people will take him seriously. Either way, he has no right to come home from the war and accuse soldiers of crimes without evidence, other than rumors.
As I recall, most Americans returning from Viet Nam were not given a heroes welcome. Many Americans looked upon the war as a shame and a humiliating loss. Many veterans had to fight long and hard to get benefits and jobs when they returned to the civilian ranks. America turned its back on these soldiers for a long long time. So yeah I can see how Kerry could be excused for wondering whether he was a hero or not.

Give our guys what they deserve They are getting what they deserve: a paycheck. This is their job, nothing more. They deserve no more respect than the policeman or the garbageman.

Exactly.

Give our guys what they deserve They are getting what they deserve: a paycheck. This is their job, nothing more. They deserve no more respect than the policeman or the garbageman.

Garbage man is going too far...I doubt garbage men have dead bodies flying all around them as they attempt to make their way toward your trashcan while it rains bullets and bombs

When Kerry decides whether he's a war criminal (as he's said) or a war hero (as he's also said), then maybe people will take him seriously. Either way, he has no right to come home from the war and accuse soldiers of crimes without evidence, other than rumors.
As I recall, most Americans returning from Viet Nam were not given a heroes welcome. Many Americans looked upon the war as a shame and a humiliating loss. Many veterans had to fight long and hard to get benefits and jobs when they returned to the civilian ranks. America turned its back on these soldiers for a long long time. So yeah I can see how Kerry could be excused for wondering whether he was a hero or not.Lat me add--I know Kerry did wonder if he was a war criminal, but I don't think I've ever seen him refer to himself as a war hero. Others obviously have, and his medals certainly offer some substance to the characterization, but if he's said, as Roy claims, that he is indeed a war hero, I'd like to see it.

When Kerry decides whether he's a war criminal (as he's said) or a war hero (as he's also said), then maybe people will take him seriously. Either way, he has no right to come home from the war and accuse soldiers of crimes without evidence, other than rumors.
As I recall, most Americans returning from Viet Nam were not given a heroes welcome. Many Americans looked upon the war as a shame and a humiliating loss. Many veterans had to fight long and hard to get benefits and jobs when they returned to the civilian ranks. America turned its back on these soldiers for a long long time. So yeah I can see how Kerry could be excused for wondering whether he was a hero or not.Lat me add--I know Kerry did wonder if he was a war criminal, but I don't think I've ever seen him refer to himself as a war hero. Others obviously have, and his medals certainly offer some substance to the characterization, but if he's said, as Roy claims, that he is indeed a war hero, I'd like to see it.

He did, several times. Twice that I've seen, others that I've heard about. And maybe Kerry's campaign spokespeople had better stop calling him a hero if he doesn't believe he is. He admitted to committing "atrocities" in '73 on the show Tim Russert hosts now, and another time on the Dick Cavveat show around the same period. So, he's a hero when he wants to be and a criminal when he wants to be. Kinda like the SUV thing, etc. ad nauseam.

Also, my dad returned from duty in '68, and started a veterans group at his college in Illinois. After writing Senator Dirksen for a few months, they helped push his hand into supporting the G.I. Bill. Dirksen was Speaker of the House at the time I think, and he invited my dad and a bunch of his friends to D.C. to talk to him. So, some spat on our soldiers during the war, while others helped the best they could. The G.I. bill passed during the war, and it helped my dad get through college (both of his parents had died by the time he was 16). So, it's not right to say that veterans were ignored.

Give our guys what they deserve They are getting what they deserve: a paycheck. This is their job, nothing more. They deserve no more respect than the policeman or the garbageman.

Garbage man is going too far...I doubt garbage men have dead bodies flying all around them as they attempt to make their way toward your trashcan while it rains bullets and bombs

And most garbage men, as I recall, rarely resort to torture.

I think we should slaughter the soldiers and spit on their families.

Thank you for that cogent and coherent response. :roll:

You're quite welcome. While we're on the topic of malicious slandering: Babies taste yummy.