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This is the second case of this.

This does create a bad image of Islam...

Village council permits rapes


ISLAMABAD—A village council in Pakistan permitted a landlord to rape the sister and sister-in-law of a man he accused of an illicit relationship with his daughter, police said yesterday.

The incident happened April 30 in Donga Naich in the central province of Punjab, after a ruling by panchayat, a three-man local jury.

"We have registered a case against all the men involved in this heinous act," a police officer in the nearby town of Kabirwala told Reuters.

Sikander Javed, a lawyer for the women, said the influential landlord, Ghaffar, had complained to the council that his honour had been sullied when the son of a poor farmer began a relationship with his daughter.

The council members, all also landlords, ruled that Ghaffar, who uses only one name, could avenge his honour by having sex with the farmer's daughter, who is 16, and daughter-in-law, who is 22.

The council then went to the house of the farmer, Muhammad Nawaz, and said he should send his daughter and daughter-in-law to Ghaffar's house to seek forgiveness but did not mention their ruling, Javed said.

Later the girls were locked in a room and raped by Ghaffar while two male relatives of his stood guard, he said.

The girls were rescued after other villagers intervened.

Punjab's police chief Saadtullah Khan said he had ordered the arrest of all six men involved and told local police to do their best to ensure a prosecution.
Village council permits rapes (http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083881410171&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724)

I did say it, but did any of you listen to me at the time? Did you hell! I said that they would legalise rape next, but none of you listened! Now my predictions are validated!

The second case of this? That is not uncommon. It is also done, though not common, that Muslim men are granted permission to kill a woman that has, in thier view, damaged the honor of the man or his family, even if the woman did not intentionally or even voluntarily do so.

Well it's not as bad as what Hitler did.. :roll:

Point!

Well it's not as bad as what Hitler did.. :roll:

Point!Is it as bad as Talisman Oil has done in Sudan? Point! :roll:

Well, I'm not surprised.

here's a prediction, the next dark age is coming, this time, islam will be the dictator religion.

Well it's not as bad as what Hitler did.. :roll:

Point!Is it as bad as Talisman Oil has done in Sudan? Point! :roll:

This wasn't directed at you Deel.. I was trying to make a point.. some folks in the other threads about the American torture have said "Saddam was worse" or stuff to that effect.. I was only making a point.. personally I find this article and what has happened here sickening.. it speaks for it's self.

Well it's not as bad as what Hitler did.. :roll:

Point!Is it as bad as Talisman Oil has done in Sudan? Point! :roll:

This wasn't directed at you Deel.. I was trying to make a point.. some folks in the other threads about the American torture have said "Saddam was worse" or stuff to that effect.. I was only making a point.. personally I find this article and what has happened here sickening.. it speaks for it's self.

I was right though. I said rape would be made legal, and now it has. Bit by bit we travel down the slippery slope.

Well it's not as bad as what Hitler did.. :roll:

Point!Is it as bad as Talisman Oil has done in Sudan? Point! :roll:

This wasn't directed at you Deel.. I was trying to make a point.. some folks in the other threads about the American torture have said "Saddam was worse" or stuff to that effect.. I was only making a point.. personally I find this article and what has happened here sickening.. it speaks for it's self.

I was right though. I said rape would be made legal, and now it has. Bit by bit we travel down the slippery slope.

Since when was it made legal? Did you read the article?

The village coucil permitted it....not the police.

"Punjab's police chief Saadtullah Khan said he had ordered the arrest of all six men involved and told local police to do their best to ensure a prosecution."

And the locals stopped it.

"The girls were rescued after other villagers intervened.

Read it properly next time.

The point is that it was permitted, if only for a while. It's only a matter of time before they become one of our social minorities crying unfair about not being able to practise their ways.

The point is that it was permitted, if only for a while. It's only a matter of time before they become one of our social minorities crying unfair about not being able to practise their ways.

yup. because you know that we always imitate the Pakistanis when passing our laws. uh huh. yup. :roll:

The point is that it was permitted, if only for a while. It's only a matter of time before they become one of our social minorities crying unfair about not being able to practise their ways.

yup. because you know that we always imitate the Pakistanis when passing our laws. uh huh. yup. :roll:

I was wondering when you were gonna show up with your trademark sarcasm. :P

The problem is not Islam, but hierarchy. At one time, Christianity was also this bad, but changed.

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The problem is not Islam, but hierarchy. At one time, Christianity was also this bad, but changed.

Good point.. and true!

The second case of this? That is not uncommon. It is also done, though not common, that Muslim men are granted permission to kill a woman that has, in thier view, damaged the honor of the man or his family, even if the woman did not intentionally or even voluntarily do so.

I am aware that it is common, but I still find it very offensive from the point of view of basic rights for dignity and courtesy for one's fellow human being. I also find that such practices taint the true nature of Islam, breeding a perverted image that most westerns only know of and henceforth, believe that it is truly the way Islam dictates itself.

I think Letila made a rather good point.. Islam is about 1400 years old.. Christian faith is about 2000 years old.. if we do the math.. that's a 600 year difference.. what were Christians doing 600 years ago? It wasn't pretty. There is certainly some validity to Letila argument.

I think Letila made a rather good point.. Islam is about 1400 years old.. Christian faith is about 2000 years old.. if we do the math.. that's a 600 year difference.. what were Christians doing 600 years ago? It wasn't pretty. There is certainly some validity to Letila argument.
It's 600 hundred years later and there are still Christian who act like those damned Puritans and Quakers who just stepped onto that rock at Plymoth after fleeing persecution in their homeland -- what with waving their little precious bible everywhere, quoting it left right and centre and condemning those who do not follow their practices and branding them heretics! Ok, maybe I'm being a tad extreme, but a few sects of Christian are still stuck 600 years in the past with some of Islam (primarily its Sharia Law)...

Hinduism is far older than either Islam or Christianity, yet in some regions of India widows are still obliged to throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre, women still get acid thrown in their faces for adulterous acts, there is still a caste of 'untouchables'.

Age has regrettably little to do with barbarism. As a species, we're just naturally sadistic.

I recommend visiting the following website if you want further evidence of our endless capacity for barbarity:

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/

Very good point. I had forgotten briefly about the nastier side of Hinduism.

All true both Kryozerkia and Ecopoeia.. religion is a problem. Not your average moderate, of course not. Or some one who believes in a higher being.. I don't, but I have no problem with those who do. The problem is the fundamentalists.. any one who is too fundamentalist about any thing is a problem. That is why life is suppose to be taken in "moderation" Life is short, live it.. don't worry too much about where you may or may not be going I say.. if you're a good person, that's all that should count ;)

Along with democracy, the Greeks did something else right -- moderation. Everythign in moderation; you might want to try it sometime...

The problem is that while Christianity had it's Reformation..and progressed beyond the need for the Crusade or the Inquisition, Islam apparently has embraced a downward spiral to desire a backwards trend to a 7th century Caliphate when Islam's star was in ascendance. Non-Muslims look onto this and can only hope for the Islam Reformation.

Many non-Muslims say.."Where are the moderates in Islam now?.is fundamentalist Wahabbism to gain strength while moderate Sufis and other minority moderates remain stagnant and silent? They wonder..
"Where is the clerics demanding that Muslims stop using mosques as centers for combat operations"....Muslims decried the use of Saddam's son's bodies on display after their deaths because Islam dictates that a burial should be within 24 hrs of death and some characterized their display as Anti-Islamic...where were the moderate clerics who should have demanded the muslims who burned alive those 4 civilian contractors be turned over to them in order to be judged..even if by their own Sharia Law?

I will look forward to the day that Islam has it's own Reformation.

Aluran, there are moderates; most of those who have fled from their native countries and live in places like Canada, the US, England, Austrilia, France... They are the true moderates. Those who live in the old world are not yet ready for the reformation because they are still going through their own Inquisition...

Aluran, there are moderates; most of those who have fled from their native countries and live in places like Canada, the US, England, Austrilia, France... They are the true moderates. Those who live in the old world are not yet ready for the reformation because they are still going through their own Inquisition...I am a christian, but I really feel for the muslims. The countries that claim to be muslim live by codes of conduct that many muslims outside those countries can't believe are part of their religion. Those that live under the extremists cannot find a way to gain control of their lives. The Muslim culture is one of the oldest cultures in the world, but they don't seem to be able to progress fast enough to stay harmonious with those who share their religious beliefs outside that culture... and I see it getting worse for them, not better.

Stephanistan - Hmm, I'm not sure it even comes down to religion. I think a large chunk of humanity - indeed, probably a clear majority - have an animal side to them that surfaces all too easily. It's there in me as well, I'm sure.

Kryozerkia - the Greeks may have preached moderation but I don't think they practiced it.

Aluran - now the Sufis are a religious group I have time for.

Kryozerkia - the Greeks may have preached moderation but I don't think they practiced it.

Hmn, gee, this sounds familiar.... Oh right! This applies to tose religious fanatics who preach their self-righteous o-so-holier-than-thou policies and the Bush admin when it come sto democracy... :mrgreen: