NationStates Jolt Archive

Is the US really a better alternative to Saddamn Hussein? You be the judge of that. All I know is that this what I found and I found it quite appalling to think that the country that is supposedly the leader in democracy is responsible for such crimes against humanity.

May 6, 2004. 02:45 PM

U.S. ignored abuse pleas, Red Cross says
'We were aware of what was going on,' aid organization says


GENEVA (AP) — The international Red Cross said Thursday that it had repeatedly asked U.S. authorities to take action over prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison before recent revelations about the way detainees were treated.

"We were aware of what was going on, and based on our findings we have repeatedly requested the U.S. authorities to take corrective action," said Nada Doumani, spokesperson for the International Commitee of the Red Cross, speaking from Amman, Jordan.

The ICRC, which visits prisoners held by coalition authorities in Iraq, had previously refused to comment publicly on conditions at the prison.

U.S. ignored abuse pleas, Red Cross says (http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083839224003&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724)

dont u know that the redcross is a secret terrorist organization?

dont u know that the redcross is a secret terrorist organization?
*pets* is this a conspiracy theory?

anyone else slightly disturbed that the red cross has admitted to knowing about this shit before january but has only now decided to say anything to the rest of us?

I am getting to the point that I just have no more words for this current American administration. It's so obvious they're corrupt. I believe they believe what they're doing is right.. and that only makes it more insane. What the hell is going on.. I mean I'm not shocked per se.. I'm sure it goes on all the time to be honest. What I am shocked at has been this administrations total lack of ability to do any thing right. They can't even lie well.. and I'm sorry.. if you want to grow up to be a politician.. you better learn how to lie and keep it secret. We are all use to seeing the odd thing make the light of day against any given administration.. but there has been so much with this one.

1 thing.. ok.. maybe a mistake
2nd thing.. ok perhaps a fluke..
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th. it starts to add up.. even Reagan took responsibility and gave up Ollie North as the sacrificial lamb.. is there any thing this administration can do right?

anyone else slightly disturbed that the red cross has admitted to knowing about this shit before january but has only now decided to say anything to the rest of us?

*waves her hand around*

I AM!! That's why I posted it when I found it!

This is simply politically motivated propaganda disseminated by America's enemies. How can we be sure that they actually knew anything before January, and aren't just making it up? We can't. Frankly though, I don't give a shit about foreign terrorists. What do the Red Cross define as abuse, anyhow? Not giving the terrorists the proper diet of New York steaks, lobster, and wine?

This is simply politically motivated propaganda disseminated by America's enemies.

:roll:

The reason it took the Red Cross this long tpo come forth with this publicly may be because they want to have access to the prisons in the future too. They have reported the misconduct directly to American authorities way earlier. I assume it would be hard for the organisation to remain considered as neutral by the Americans if it cried this out in newspapers.

I've seen a press release by someone at the Red Cross, that said the US military upon hearing from the Red Cross of abuses, sadly it doesn't seem to have been reported by US military personel, that the US military launched an investigation and made changes. It makes a so much better story that they ignored it though doesn't it. Depends on perspective, I guess.

I've seen a press release by someone at the Red Cross, that said the US military upon hearing from the Red Cross of abuses, sadly it doesn't seem to have been reported by US military personel, that the US military launched an investigation and made changes. It makes a so much better story that they ignored it though doesn't it. Depends on perspective, I guess.

"launched an investigation and made changes"....doesn't seem to have done a lot of good does it?
What was the conclusions of the investigation?
What changes?
What difference was made?

I've seen a press release by someone at the Red Cross, that said the US military upon hearing from the Red Cross of abuses, sadly it doesn't seem to have been reported by US military personel, that the US military launched an investigation and made changes. It makes a so much better story that they ignored it though doesn't it. Depends on perspective, I guess.

"launched an investigation and made changes"....doesn't seem to have done a lot of good does it?
What was the conclusions of the investigation?
What changes?
What difference was made?Those are questions to be answered by whoever issued the press release. I don't have access to that information.

I've seen a press release by someone at the Red Cross, that said the US military upon hearing from the Red Cross of abuses, sadly it doesn't seem to have been reported by US military personel, that the US military launched an investigation and made changes. It makes a so much better story that they ignored it though doesn't it. Depends on perspective, I guess.

"launched an investigation and made changes"....doesn't seem to have done a lot of good does it?
What was the conclusions of the investigation?
What changes?
What difference was made?Those are questions to be answered by whoever issued the press release. I don't have access to that information.

Why are you starting to remind me of "Scott McClellan " LOL :P

I've seen a press release by someone at the Red Cross, that said the US military upon hearing from the Red Cross of abuses, sadly it doesn't seem to have been reported by US military personel, that the US military launched an investigation and made changes. It makes a so much better story that they ignored it though doesn't it. Depends on perspective, I guess.

"launched an investigation and made changes"....doesn't seem to have done a lot of good does it?
What was the conclusions of the investigation?
What changes?
What difference was made?Those are questions to be answered by whoever issued the press release. I don't have access to that information.

Why are you starting to remind me of "Scott McClellan " LOL :PCute! :lol:

"This is simply politically motivated propaganda etc..."

Not by the International Red Cross for sure. They only told what they've found AFTER the American media had made it public.

Furthermore, ICRC reported about the mistreatment of the American POWs too on many occasions (a link to one). Hard to see it being (too much) biased.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/24/93340.shtml

This is simply politically motivated propaganda disseminated by America's enemies. How can we be sure that they actually knew anything before January, and aren't just making it up? We can't. Frankly though, I don't give a shit about foreign terrorists. What do the Red Cross define as abuse, anyhow? Not giving the terrorists the proper diet of New York steaks, lobster, and wine?

No, you're thinking of the UN and Amnesty International. ;)

Also, I think the Red Cross wouldn't have said anything right away because they are allied with the US and they would want to investigate it more before going public with such damning evidence and allegations that would taint American credibility and popularity on the international stage before something can be done to deal with such atrocities in a domestic setting... (mind you, I'm Canadian and I think the Bush Administration is full of BS; I'm only saying this from a logical point of view).

This is simply politically motivated propaganda disseminated by America's enemies.

The Red Cross -- America's Enemy #1. Heck, they have the word "red" right in there! What more proof do you need?

How can we be sure that they actually knew anything before January, and aren't just making it up? We can't.

That's true. The Red Cross are notorious liars. But a simple tinfoil lining to your hat can deflect their orbital mind-control lasers.

Frankly though, I don't give a shit about foreign terrorists.

It's good to know that every person tortured by Coalition troops is "a terrorist". That makes it all OK; plus, not having to give them a trial will save time and money.

What do the Red Cross define as abuse, anyhow?

Oh, you know, trivial stuff like sodomising prisoners with broom handles, dragging them around by their genitals, sexual assault in general, run-of-the-mill beatings, electrocutions -- nothing that would be out-of-place at a Republican Party fundraiser.

Oooo...you are a sassy one, Clappi, I'm going to have to watch out for you, ROWR! *giggle* I like your style.

This is simply politically motivated propaganda disseminated by America's enemies.

The Red Cross -- America's Enemy #1. Heck, they have the word "red" right in there! What more proof do you need?

How can we be sure that they actually knew anything before January, and aren't just making it up? We can't.

That's true. The Red Cross are notorious liars. But a simple tinfoil lining to your hat can deflect their orbital mind-control lasers.

You go get em..lol :lol:

That was great!