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Peace!

and it goes on and on and on :x

and it goes on and on and on :x

I know--I hate cops like these too

*mourns TRA*

*doesn't mourn* :D








*hides*

wait, what just happened to the red arrow?

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

It's all over :o

wait, what just happened to the red arrow?

Kept on making new copy and paste threads, even though he had been warned to stick to one a day. He wanted to be deleated

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

I doubt it's over. TRA will rise again in some form--the Ghost of Red Arrow or somesuch. It never fails.

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!

Too bad there's no way to change the title of this thread from whatever it currently is to the official Red Arrow mourning/celebration thread. At least, there's no way if you're not a mod. (hint hint)

Wow, I have seen NS history being made before my eyes.

Electronic parents will tell their electronic children about the day that the Mod's vanquished the Trolling TRA.

Let this be an example to anyone who would suggest that only the reactionary and conservative are targerted when they transgress.

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!

done and done :D

wait, what just happened to the red arrow?

Kept on making new copy and paste threads, even though he had been warned to stick to one a day. He wanted to be deleated

who deleated him?

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!


done and done :D

Thanks.

wait, what just happened to the red arrow?

Kept on making new copy and paste threads, even though he had been warned to stick to one a day. He wanted to be deleated

who deleated him?

Stephistan I think.

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!


done and done :D

I'M IN :twisted: :twisted:

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

So are we waiting until we get an official word, or waiting to see if he comes back?

or will we just go strait to the funeral?

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!


done and done :D

I'M IN :twisted: :twisted:

All we need is someone to do the ceremony now.

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game ModeratorSo whaddya think, Steph? Could this thread become the place of mourning/celebration for the dearly departed? :lol:

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Steph, you do so many things that bring my heart joy, but you say so many things that bring my heart pain.

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!


done and done :D

I'M IN :twisted: :twisted:

All we need is someone to do the ceremony now.

me, i'm heading up the celebration!

It's all over :o

OMG! This calls for celebration!

*runs around nude*

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!




done and done :D

I'M IN :twisted: :twisted:

All we need is someone to do the ceremony now.

Choose a service (http://www.nsm.org/guides/religions.html).

Sayonara, Red.

*stops mourning*

*finds TAR*

*hits TAR with a stick*

Never have to see his copy and paste articles all the f**king time anymore.

and the celebration will be held just down the hall from the funeral! :D

Book my ticket!




done and done :D

I'M IN :twisted: :twisted:

All we need is someone to do the ceremony now.

Choose a service (http://www.nsm.org/guides/religions.html).

Sayonara, Red.

I reckon he would appreciate a nice Roman Catholic service :twisted:

Choose a service (http://www.nsm.org/guides/religions.html).

Sayonara, Red.

I reckon he would appreciate a nice Roman Catholic service :twisted:

I was going to reccomend that! Perhaps an Orthodox Jewish service?

Choose a service (http://www.nsm.org/guides/religions.html).

Sayonara, Red.

I reckon he would appreciate a nice Roman Catholic service :twisted:

I was going to reccomend that! Perhaps an Orthodox Jewish service?

Hmm, maybe, but all the Catholic funerals I've been to are followed by lots of beer

Must .... resist .... temptation.... to ... cut and paste something ala TRA. That would be the memorial he would want. :P

Hmm, maybe, but all the Catholic funerals I've been to are followed by lots of beer

:D
:::Looks at the local time. :::
I am on vacation and the sun*s well over the yard arm!
:::Heads to the fridge.:::

Must .... resist .... temptation.... to ... cut and paste something ala TRA. That would be the memorial he would want. :PGive in to your feelings. I know I will. :lol:

Must .... resist .... temptation.... to ... cut and paste something ala TRA. That would be the memorial he would want. :P

Catholic funerals are rich with tradition and sacrament, but vary according to individual, family and church. The religion expands many geographic regions, making personal heritage and tradition a large part of the Catholic ceremony. Irish, Russian and Italian are just a few of the cultures that influence the tone and structure of a Catholic funeral, and each heritage has a unique way of dealing with grief.

Typically, the second day after a loved one passes away, friends and family will hold a visitation or “wake,” usually held at a funeral home.

Immediately following the wake or on the third day, a Catholic funeral is held. The funeral service may stand alone, or be part of a bigger ceremony known as a mass. The mass is one of the foundations of the Catholic religion, having been conducted in the same manner with the same words and gestures for hundreds of years. Only recently has the mass been changed from Latin to the language of each local parish’s members.

During mass, the priest reads from Scripture, leads prayers and administers Holy Communion. Non-Catholics are encouraged to stand during appropriate parts of the ceremony. However, kneeling, singing, or reading prayers aloud is optional. Non-Catholics must also refrain from taking Holy Communion during mass. A funeral reception may also be held after the services, where food and/or drink are often served, depending on the deceased’s family’s wishes. Additionally, a mass may be held on the annual anniversary of the death.



Its the way he would want to go.

Formalities over. Open house!

In honor of the Red Arrow, because he would have wanted it this way:

Premature panic
The doom-and-gloom brigade is savaging Kerry because the race is still tied after Bush's horrible April. But the campaign has barely begun.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Tim Grieve



May 5, 2004 | With just months to go in an election that ought to be a referendum on President Bush, the New York Times runs a front-page story: The Democrats are in serious trouble. Although Bush's approval ratings are low, the presumptive Democratic nominee can't get any traction. His campaign "continues to confront a cloud of doubts and reservations," the Times says, and voters are complaining that he hasn't offered the country a clear vision for the future.

It may sound like the Times on John Kerry in 2004. In fact, it's the Times on Bill Clinton in 1992.

The media began making funeral plans for the Kerry campaign over the weekend, and the New York Times led the way with a gloomy front-pager by Adam Nagourney. As it turns out, the predictions of Kerry's demise were more replay than revelation. It's certainly true that Kerry has problems -- his campaign lacks the money, the organizational structure, and the message discipline of the well-oiled Bush-Cheney machine -- but we've heard this before.

The Times painted an equally dour assessment of Clinton's prospects in a front-page piece in April 1992 headlined "Clinton Dogged by Voter Doubt." The Times said then that unnamed "political professionals in the Democratic Party" were troubled that Clinton hadn't made a better impression on the nation's voters. Nagourney's piece Sunday reported that "Democratic Party officials" have similar worries about Kerry.

But there's a key difference here: In April 1992, the New York Times/CBS News poll showed Clinton trailing President George H.W. Bush, 49 percent to 40 percent, among registered voters. The latest New York Times/CBS News poll shows Kerry and President George W. Bush in a statistical dead heat.

Clinton beat Bush 43 percent to 37 percent in November 1992.

The Times does not stand alone in questioning the direction and momentum of the Kerry campaign. From pundits to pollsters to some party strategists, the reigning conventional wisdom suggests that Kerry should have a much more commanding position than he does right now. When talk show host Chris Matthews asked a dozen of his "regulars" who "won the week" last week, Bush or Kerry, the panel resoundingly concluded that Kerry lost big. "The Democrats better hope he's a slow starter," Sam Donaldson said on Matthews' show on Sunday. David Brooks opened his column on Tuesday with this stark assessment: "Democrats are anxious."

But Democratic strategists have a message for the nervous: Don't panic. Yes, the Kerry campaign has been slow to organize itself, to get campaign operations up and running in could-be-crucial states like Ohio and Arizona, to define Kerry and to set him apart from Bush on the critical question of Iraq, to respond to -- or to take the high road above -- the incessant smears from the White House and its waves of surrogate attackers. But the race is young, Democratic strategists say, and this Bush is as vulnerable as the last one was.

"I find all the moaning and carping going on right now kind of puzzling," says Paul Maslin, the veteran pollster who helped run Howard Dean's campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. "I can't tell you how many calls I've gotten in the last 10 days saying that Kerry's campaign is for shit. And I'm trying to think, 'What's causing this?'"

What's causing it is the widespread perception that Kerry should be squashing Bush right now. Bush has just had the worst month of his presidency. His war on Iraq seems to have spiraled out of control: More than 130 U.S. troops -- and 10 times as many Iraqis -- were killed in April, and the United States has lost the support of Spain and several other coalition members. The bipartisan commission investigating the attacks of Sept. 11 has raised questions about the administration's inattentiveness to warnings of terror, and revelations from Bob Woodward and others have made it clear that Bush was obsessed with ousting Saddam Hussein even as U.S. troops were being deployed in Afghanistan. Bush stumbled through a rare prime-time news conference, and allegations that the president was AWOL during Vietnam resurfaced among stories of Kerry's war heroism.

Instead of running laps around Bush, Kerry is neck and neck with him in the national polls and still trying to define himself while defending against Republican attacks. "George Bush has had three of the worst months of his presidency, but they are stuck and they've got to move past this moment," Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's presidential campaign, told the Times.

Democratic analysts and strategists told Salon, however, that they think concerns about Kerry's progress are overstated. "The Democrats are overeager," says Ann Richards, the former Texas governor who branded Bush the elder as a spoiled rich kid and then lost a re-election bid to Bush the son. "They're anxious for this contest to gel, and it's too early for that."

Richards said Democrats are unaccustomed to having a presumptive nominee so early; at this point in the Clinton-Bush race, Clinton was still fending off former California Gov. Jerry Brown. "They are extremely impatient, and when that's expressed to me privately by well-intentioned individuals, I tell them to focus their attention on what they can do, not what the nominee should be doing."

Still, it's clear that the presumptive nominee could be doing more. While the Bush-Cheney campaign has implemented the sort of hyper-organized plan in Ohio that might have served the United States well in postwar Iraq, Kerry has virtually no campaign structure at all in that critical swing state. The Los Angeles Times reports that Kerry also lacks offices in mega-critical Florida, and that he lacks either staff or offices in New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona, the latter a "red" state where the latest polling shows Bush with a surprisingly small three-point lead. The campaign said it initially lacked the money to open offices everywhere, but recent record-breaking fundraising means that the Kerry campaign will be on the ground in a lot more places in the weeks ahead.

But Kerry needs more than offices and staff; he needs high-profile help to help him fend off Bush-Cheney attacks. While Bush has a hatchet man for a vice president and a cadre of Republican senators happy to lead the smear du jour against Kerry, it is frequently Kerry alone who must answer. While Kerry has relied in recent months on help from Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and former Sen. Max Cleland, D-Ga., they have faded from the scene of late -- perhaps the press simply no longer considers them news -- and no one has taken their place. The Democrats' would-be surrogate in chief, Bill Clinton, has been holed away in Chappaqua finishing his long-awaited memoirs amid speculation that instead of boosting Kerry's profile this summer, he might actually steal the limelight.

With no one backing him up, Kerry is too often seen scrambling back and forth to rebut Bush-Cheney charges, looking for all the world like an overmatched tennis player racing from one end of the court to the other in a desperate attempt to return all the drives. It's a trap that the Bush-Cheney campaign has laid for Kerry, and he has fallen into it. "The Republicans are very good at lobbing spit wads to see what sticks," said Richards, no stranger herself to smears from Bush and Karl Rove. "Kerry has got to answer every single one of them, because if you don't then the media will claim that he isn't answering the attacks. And then when he does answer all of them, the media will say that he has no message."

With no surrogate -- and no vice presidential nominee yet -- to help him, Kerry has been forced to defend himself on everything from his war record to the kind of cars his family owns. The process has left him looking petty at times, equivocal at others, and it has turned so many issues -- particularly the question of service in Vietnam -- into he-said, she-said disputes. Rather than stressing that Kerry served admirably in combat in Vietnam while Cheney obtained five deferments and Bush did or didn't show up for National Guard duty stateside, U.S. News and World Report ran a cover last week showing Kerry in a suit, Bush in a uniform, and identifying 1971 as a "defining year" in both of their lives. Coverage of the Vietnam service spat has transformed the issue into a tie, and that's a victory for Bush.

And amid all of the sweating in the media over the small stuff, like SUVs and Botox -- not to mention the Times' important and exhaustive study of Kerry's so-called butler, actually an aide who, the Times tells us, makes PB&Js for the presumptive Democratic nominee -- voters continue to say that they don't really know who Kerry is or what he stands for. Kerry acknowledged as much in early April, but his campaign has done little to improve the situation.

That may change this week, as the Kerry campaign launches $27.5 million worth of television ads designed to introduce the candidate to the voters in traditional swing states and even in a couple of red states Democrats think they have a shot at flipping. It's exactly the sort of approach that many Democrats believe Kerry needs to be taking -- and soon. "Kerry is now going to need to define himself and the race on his terms more effectively than he has," Maslin said.

Although Bush had a bad month in April, he also had the month more or less to himself. Kerry spent much of the month raising money, while the Bush campaign has spent some $60 million on advertising of its own -- just to stay even in the national polls. Former Clinton strategist Doug Schoen says that's a sign of Bush's vulnerability. "Between Kerry having been on vacation and not being on the air as much as Bush, it's good news that, at this time, the polls show that the race is tied," Schoen told Salon. "Bush is anchored by only one thing -- national security and terrorism. His rankings on the economy and the war are negative, and he's in a much weaker position than the overall numbers indicate."

Maslin agrees, saying that the "fundamentals" of the race still favor Kerry. "The fundamentals are that the country's a mess, and Bush's argument is that it's such a mess that you've got to stick with me," Maslin said. The Republicans "don't have a story to tell, so they're left scaring everybody to death about Kerry. I'm not saying that they're not having some impact, but 'some impact' is the best they can say." With approval ratings under 50 percent, Maslin said, Bush is in "a danger zone for an incumbent."

The key for the Kerry campaign is to make sure that Kerry meets some "threshold" of acceptability in voters' minds, strategists say. He doesn't have to come across as the greatest candidate ever, they say, but simply as a credible and viable alternative to Bush -- particularly if another terrorist attack on U.S. soil throws the race further up in the air.

The White House knows that the "threshold" question is critical for Kerry, and that's why it can't concede even what appears to be a sure loser of an argument -- say, the Vietnam service question -- to Kerry. If Kerry can stand as a war hero, he may meet the threshold. If Bush and Cheney and Rove can muddy up his record and cast him as something less than honest, even about something as trivial as whose medals or ribbons he might have thrown one day in protest, then the threshold becomes harder to reach.

Ruy Teixeira, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation and the Center for American Progress, says it's possible that the Bush-Cheney attacks on Kerry's war-hero status may be driving down Kerry's numbers in states that are safely Republican but may not be helping Bush in swing states. "It looked like Bush was making some headway in the battleground states at the end of March, but in April things may have gone the other way," he said.

Presidential elections don't turn on the national vote -- just ask President Al Gore -- and Teixeira said that polling from critical swing states is so sporadic and inconsistent that it's hard to make solid predictions about Electoral College numbers. But like many other Democrats, he says any panic about Kerry's prospects is "way too much, way too soon."

"We're six months away from the election," Teixeira said. "People think that just because Bush got a lot of bad news, Kerry should be 10 points ahead. I think they're kidding themselves."

Kerry has made mistakes, Teixeira said, and he'll have to start performing better. But beating Bush is "quote, doable," he said, and Kerry can do it. "It's a fair statement that Kerry is going to have to run a good campaign to beat him, but it's far too early to conclude he's incapable of doing it." This message brought to you by Incertonia, Salon.com and the letters T, R and A. :lol:

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most.
Stephanie
Game Moderator

So.... Stephistan deletes a far-left nation. Very good, and about time. Although, of course, as she admits herself, regarding warnings, she did "give him more then [sic] most".

Now, I wouldn't be so cynical to suggest that such allowances were granted because this constant transgressor's politics might possibly have been shared by Stephistan. Of course, that couldn't be. How could it be?

Don't we all know how this particular mod is always fair and balanced regarding warnings handed out? Of course we do.

http://www.myimgs.com/data/cellularia/TRA.jpg

http://www.myimgs.com/data/cellularia/TRA.jpg

:D

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

:::Raises beer:::

Ex-Pentagon Arms Dealer: 9-11 Was an Inside Job
by JOHN KAMINSKI

Back in May 2003, a journalist in Portugal reported on a sensational, marathon meeting of a group of U.S. pilots that issued a report concluding that the story told by the U.S. government about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 was improbable and unlikely.

Except for several notices on the Internet, that story was basically never reported in the U.S., and largely debunked when the reporter flubbed the name of the organizer, creating disbelief in the minds of many readers.

The record was corrected in stunning fashion Feb. 25 on Alex Jones' Prison Planet radio program when former Pentagon arms salesman Donn de Grand-Pre, author of three books that allege 9/11 was an inside job, set the record straight, because he was the man who organized that conference. That 72-hour non-stop symposium by a group of military and civilian pilots concluded the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the 9/11 tragedy had no control over their aircraft.

de Grand Pre, a retired Army colonel, is the author of "A Window on America," "Confessions of an Arms Peddler" and "Barbarians Inside the Gates.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.


Don't hold your breath.

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most.
Stephanie
Game Moderator

So.... Stephistan deletes a far-left nation. Very good, and about time. Although, of course, as she admits herself, regarding warnings, she did "give him more then [sic] most".

Now, I wouldn't be so cynical to suggest that such allowances were granted because this constant transgressor's politics might possibly have been shared by Stephistan. Of course, that couldn't be. How could it be?

Don't we all know how this particular mod is always fair and balanced regarding warnings handed out? Of course we do.

Actually, the only real thing TRA did that was on the line was he copy/pasted. He didn't flame, he never really broke any rules per se. We have to take into account what the infraction is. copy/paste is not the same as flaming. If it was, the Panadilla would of been deleted by now as well. He also has received more warnings from me then most, because again his crime is copy/paste, not flaming. Although if he doesn't stop all the copy/paste his time grows short as well. It wasn't the political position, it was based on the infraction. I hope this clears this up for you.

http://www.myimgs.com/data/cellularia/TRA.jpgNicely done.

oh... my... god, its over its finally over!!!

the dearly departed? :lol:

Isn't the correct description post-deletion "The dearly deported?"

:lol:

Seriously, the best way to mark this kind of thing is to have someone create two nations called "Marathon" and "Philandrea", engage in a brutal five-minute flame war with themself, and then get both deleted.




Well, all right, not *exactly* serious within the meaning of the word.

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

hey steph, were those differnt color nations his too? (green arrow, blue arrow, etc.) if they were did they get deated too?

WHOA SHYT!!!!!!!!11 TRA got deleted? :twisted:

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

hey steph, were those differnt color nations his too? (green arrow, blue arrow, etc.) if they were did they get deated too?

I thought they were just piss take nations.

WHOA SHYT!!!!!!!!11 TRA got deleted? :twisted: terrific isnt it?

*starts handing out beers*

And remember, friends don't let friends drive drunk without proof of insurance.

I started to create a nation last night, la fleche rojo to use in forum 7 but the server was lagging and it never got processed :cry:

Let's hold him a funeral


:lol: :) :D :shock:
:roll: :wink: :P :lol:
8) :mrgreen: :) :)


There's me, and Capsule Corp, and new Parratoga, and Kisarazu Reborn Twice, and...wait...does someone see a pattern here? (apart from Parratoga)

*starts handing out beers*

And remember, friends don't let friends drive drunk without proof of insurance.You, ummm, got any whisky over there?

*starts handing out beers*

And remember, friends don't let friends drive drunk without proof of insurance.You, ummm, got any whisky over there?

What's your brand?

I'll just take a beer thanks.

Tui if you have it :)

I'll just take a beer thanks.

Tui if you have it :)
*Passes http://www.brewing.co.nz/images/breweries/auckland/db/tui745.jpg*
There you go.

You, ummm, got any whisky over there?

What's your brand?Black Bush, if I can get it. Then any Irish and then single malt Scotch, and then into the Americas. I've never developed a taste for Canadian whiskey, but I can drink a good bourbon like Maker's Mark pretty easily.

Cheers m8.

You, ummm, got any whisky over there?

What's your brand?Black Bush, if I can get it. Then any Irish and then single malt Scotch, and then into the Americas. I've never developed a taste for Canadian whiskey, but I can drink a good bourbon like Maker's Mark pretty easily.

*Passeshttp://www.awa.dk/whisky/bushmill/blacbubo.gif*


I know, I have too much time on my hands.

i'll take a beer even though i'm underage both ic and ooc :wink:

*Gets Malboro Reds from the vending machine*

Gee, TRA all gone. 'Bout time. Maybe we spammers and Role Players can finally take control of this forum... again...

ill take a asahai if anyone has it....

i'll take a beer even though i'm underage both ic and ooc :wink:

No worries, *hands Philopolis* a beer

ill take a asahai if anyone has it....

Asahi Dry or Honnama? Straight from Japan. ;)

ill take a asahai if anyone has it....

Asahi Dry or Honnama? Straight from Japan. ;) super dry :)

:::reaches in fridge:::
Here ya go! Enjoy.

:::reaches in fridge:::
Here ya go! Enjoy. kanpai!!1

Kanpai!

:::passes the edamame:::

*puts on music*

Got any SkaPara?

Got any SkaPara? whuzzat?

Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra (http://www.projectj.net/skapara.htm), a great Japanese band.

Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra (http://www.projectj.net/skapara.htm), a great Japanese band. um, listening to one of their songs right now, they're pretty good. thanks

:D

heard any of joe hisaishis stuff?

Not familiar, no.

Not familiar, no. good composer, did the music for kikujiro, and all of miyazakis movies

Cool. Have to look for some.

Vale The Red Arrow, I will miss him. I don't care if he "cut and pasted", he would at least debate what he pasted.
Why not delete those who only cut and paste, or only provide links, but then do not debate. What is the point of that?
RIP TRA. :cry:

Vale The Red Arrow, I will miss him. I don't care if he "cut and pasted", he would at least debate what he pasted.
Why not delete those who only cut and paste, or only provide links, but then do not debate. What is the point of that?
RIP TRA. :cry: dabate is streching it a bit dont you think? heres a typical TRA debate,

person: this is unreliable, why not post a story from something other than a socialist propaganda website?

TRA: im deprogamming you from your corporate masters!!

Vale The Red Arrow, I will miss him. I don't care if he "cut and pasted", he would at least debate what he pasted.
Why not delete those who only cut and paste, or only provide links, but then do not debate. What is the point of that?
RIP TRA. :cry: dabate is streching it a bit dont you think? heres a typical TRA debate,

person: this is unreliable, why not post a story from something other than a socialist propaganda website?

TRA: im deprogamming you from your corporate masters!!

I'm not attempting to defend everything he has ever done. But I do prefer him to those who do not debate at all, but "cut, paste and run". I won't mention names, but I know many will recognise the reference.

And I've always thought that the real test of freedom of speech is to see whether you are happy to grant it to those you most vehemently disagree with.

In light of this recent news, Vitania shall be holding a week-long public holiday and celebration.

http://www.mit.edu/people/ec_mok/www/henry/2003%20song%20contest%20celebration.jpg

Praise rationality and reason.

Damnit! Now all my different colored Arrows aren't funny anymore! Damnit!

Damnit! Now all my different colored Arrows aren't funny anymore! Damnit!

:shock: It was you.

Damnit! Now all my different colored Arrows aren't funny anymore! Damnit!

:shock: It was you.

Well, to be fair, they weren't all mine. And I got bored with most of them and let them die a long time ago. So it doesn't really matter.

I just counted no less than seven posts started by The Red Arrow in the first three pages of the General Forum.
I repeat, he will be missed.
Never mind if you agreed with him or not, he so often sparked debate and discussion.
RIP TRA
:cry:

Vale The Red Arrow, I will miss him. I don't care if he "cut and pasted", he would at least debate what he pasted.
Why not delete those who only cut and paste, or only provide links, but then do not debate. What is the point of that?
RIP TRA. :cry: dabate is streching it a bit dont you think? heres a typical TRA debate,

person: this is unreliable, why not post a story from something other than a socialist propaganda website?

TRA: im deprogamming you from your corporate masters!!

I will never forget the proof he offered that a drug company was purposfully killing test subjects. It boiled down to "It is real beacuse my daddy said real life is just like the Sopranos on TV!"
:roll: :lol: :roll: :lol:

I just counted no less than seven posts started by The Red Arrow in the first three pages of the General Forum.
I repeat, he will be missed.
Never mind if you agreed with him or not, he so often sparked debate and discussion.
RIP TRA
:cry:

He did, usually the debate was more interesting than the original post. Also, all of his posts near the top were started within about half of each other or something.

I just counted no less than seven posts started by The Red Arrow in the first three pages of the General Forum.
I repeat, he will be missed.
Never mind if you agreed with him or not, he so often sparked debate and discussion.
RIP TRA
:cry:

He did, usually the debate was more interesting than the original post. Also, all of his posts near the top were started within about half of each other or something.

Most of the debate was leftist telling him he was an embarrassment and logical debators asking for proof, poking holes in his "proof", and expressing disgust.

WHOA! It finally happened? TRA's gone? No more ultraliberal "bushnazi" conspiracy theories? All those posts... :sigh:

*tries to feel sorry for TRA*


*fails*

awwww bye bye Red Arrow


R.I.P.

*tries to feel sorry for TRA*


*fails*Same here.

Well the best informed poster left NS. Hope he'll rise as the ghost of RA.
The Bush nazis will love this.

Well the best informed poster left NS. Hope he'll rise as the ghost of RA.
The Bush nazis will love this."Best informed"? You must have meant "most prolific C&P-er of liberal propoganda."

Face it. He would google anything he could think of that made anyone he disagreed with look bad, true or not, and paste it here.

I'm glad he's gone, but TRA jr. is probably already on his way.

Well the best informed poster left NS. Hope he'll rise as the ghost of RA.
The Bush nazis will love this."Best informed"? You must have meant "most prolific C&P-er of liberal propoganda."

Face it. He would google anything he could think of that made anyone he disagreed with look bad, true or not, and paste it here.

I'm glad he's gone, but TRA jr. is probably already on his way.

Face it yourself, you are a Bush supporter so you don't like the FACTS he showed us.
Beate paupere spiritu

Well the best informed poster left NS. Hope he'll rise as the ghost of RA.
The Bush nazis will love this."Best informed"? You must have meant "most prolific C&P-er of liberal propoganda."

Face it. He would google anything he could think of that made anyone he disagreed with look bad, true or not, and paste it here.

I'm glad he's gone, but TRA jr. is probably already on his way.

Face it yourself, you are a Bush supporter so you don't like the FACTS he showed us.
Beate paupere spiritu

you're not serious, are you? i'm far from a Bush supporter, but TRA was tripe piled on tripe. he was just as bad as the neo-con drones, and all he could do was spout catch phrases and do cut-and-paste jobs. he couldn't even hold a discussion with people on his own side, because his critical thinking skills were so underdeveloped.

I will miss him.

Hope he returns to C&P once more.

Ah well....another one bites the dust.

This is the second memorial C&P for TRA...

Pakistan protests at US incursion
The spokesman for the Pakistani military, Major-General Shaukat Sultan, says his government has lodged a protest with the United States over an incursion into Pakistani territory by US forces operating in Afghanistan.

General Sultan said a few US troops had strayed into Pakistani territory near the Lwara Mandi area in North West Frontier Province while hunting for al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects.

He said the US troops searched a few shops and a petrol station but turned back as soon as they were informed that they were in Pakistani territory.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service

This was brought to you by Kryozerkia

*offers up sacrifice of n00bs in memory of TRA

*offers up sacrifice of n00bs in <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=memory&v=55">memory</a> of TRA

is it really much of a sacrifice?

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.

I just counted no less than seven posts started by The Red Arrow in the first three pages of the General Forum.
I repeat, he will be missed.
Never mind if you agreed with him or not, he so often sparked debate and discussion.
RIP TRA
:cry:

I'll give you that point - he did get the ball rolling on some interesting debates. All you had to learn to do was ignore him once you were in one. Like the original Smeagol-Gollum, an annoying little bugger but he had a use.

:shock:

I just counted no less than seven posts started by The Red Arrow in the first three pages of the General Forum.
I repeat, he will be missed.
Never mind if you agreed with him or not, he so often sparked debate and discussion.
RIP TRA
:cry:

I'll give you that point - he did get the ball rolling on some interesting debates. All you had to learn to do was ignore him once you were in one. Like the original Smeagol-Gollum, an annoying little bugger but he had a use.

:shock:

THE RED ARROW IS GONE??? NOOOO!!!! MICHAEL MOORE HAS BEEN SILENCED!!!! :lol:

Frequently I disagreed with him and aggresively questioned not only his methods, but his motives. However, I think he really did believe in what he was doing and it is a shame he chose to break the rules and get booted. I imagine he'll be back around again, though.

Till we meet again...
Don't know where...
Don't know when...

*offers up sacrifice of n00bs in <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=memory&v=55">memory</a> of TRA

is it really much of a sacrifice?

In this game, yes. It sacrifices annoying young'uns to the gods so that they may be appeased by the cleansing of NS.

I wonder what TRA will be reincarnated as. . .

Peace!
It's surreal to me. A forum without Red Arrow. But then again, I have doubts if I'll miss him. Out of all of the wackos out there, he was the wackiest, by far. At least most people on the left are reasonable. He's not, and doesn't try and foster true debate. But, he was entertainment for me, and countless others on this forum.

I must admit...Red Arrow will be missed...at least till it/he/she comes back under some other guise.

---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

I have newfound respect for you and no longer believe that you are out for conservatives. I have now seen you take out a major liberal while you yourself are a liberal. I see you are no longer biased. :shock:

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

I have newfound respect for you and no longer believe that you are out for conservatives. I have now seen you take out a major liberal while you yourself are a liberal. I see you are no longer biased. :shock:Well, I wouldn't go quite that far...but seeing Steph enforce rules does bring me back to having some faith in her as a nominally neutral Mod.

*weeping quietly for what might have been*

So passes the Red Arrow, official copy-paste king of the General Forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/dead_freeper.jpg

[Gives 21-flamethrower salute in TRA's honour] :|

[Gives 21-flamethrower salute in TRA's honour] :|

TRA.... loved but hardly missed.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

and the bad thing is, is that is hardly exaggerating

:shock:

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

and the bad thing is, is that is hardly exaggerating



WAUGH!!!!!

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Uh, dude, you forgot the Illuminati. And the Masons. And the NSA. And Mossad. And Interpol. And the Shriners. And the KGB. Jeez.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Uh, dude, you forgot the Illuminati. And the Masons. And the NSA. And Mossad. And Interpol. And the Shriners. And the KGB. Jeez.

And the Skull and Bones

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Uh, dude, you forgot the Illuminati. And the Masons. And the NSA. And Mossad. And Interpol. And the Shriners. And the KGB. Jeez.

And the Skull and Bones

Shoot. I knew I forgot something.

Oh, and Hell's Angels. And the Chinese Triad.

Ignoring The Red Arrow for a second, what is it you guys think about the Illuminati, Putin and his KGB ties, the CIA ties to Iran-Contra, the Mossad, the Pentagon's control by weapons producers, the Skull and Bones monopoly on this election, the fact that al-Qa'ida was created by the CIA, the Bush family Nazi ties, the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, and the Federal Reserve?

Ignoring The Red Arrow for a second, what is it you guys think about the Illuminati, Putin and his KGB ties, the CIA ties to Iran-Contra, the Mossad, the Pentagon's control by weapons producers, the Skull and Bones monopoly on this election, the fact that al-Qa'ida was created by the CIA, the Bush family Nazi ties, the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, and the Federal Reserve?


oh god, just stop :)

Ignoring The Red Arrow for a second,

So we can take a moment to leave the pleasant city of Sanity and drive into the Badlands of Batsh*t loony?

what is it you guys think about the Illuminati,

The same thing I think of when the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns and Eskimos are mentioned. Pure Fantasy!

Putin and his KGB ties,

I see nothing wrong with the President of Russia having to ties to the security service. Hell, its not like they can lay claim to that, Bush Sr. was the former director of the CIA. And before you get all crazy on me, Russians for the most part prefer authoritarian leaders. They respond better to absolutists then they do to popularists.

the CIA ties to Iran-Contra,

They were following Presidential policy, can't blame them for that.

the Mossad,

They are responsible for maintaining the security of a state beset by domestic and foreign based terrorist organizations. I also tend to avoid pissing them off.

the Pentagon's control by weapons producers,

When the board of directors for every large military ordinance manufacturing company is staffed with former members of the Pentagon and DoD, I think you have it the other way around about who controls who.

the Skull and Bones monopoly on this election,

S&B has fallen on hard times the past decade in part by the efforts of The Rumpus and other investigative and humour magazines. You might as well blame the entire fraternity system for the same reasons as you blame the Skulls.

the fact that al-Qa'ida was created by the CIA,

No, the Taliban was financed in part by the CIA through the ISI. Not Al Qaeda as it did not exist at that moment.

the Bush family Nazi ties,

Everyone had them, from IBM to the Kennedy's. You drive a Ford? Well, he supported them too.

the military-industrial complex,

See statement on Pentagon.

the prison-industrial complex,

No idea on this one.

and the Federal Reserve?


???????? That bastard Alan Greenspan and his mind control rays!

I know I was being simplistic with my responses but next time they offer you the choice, take the red pill.

Good riddance to bad garbage. Let's hope that Texastambul follows in his footsteps.

What a typical response from you.
One reason TRA lasted so long is because he avoided such contentless flaming.
I prefer his style to yours, VD.
That's nice. My post wasn't even a flame, at any rate, it was TRA, for God's sake. TRA the nutter of the "Bush is implanting alien brain chips in our head so that the CIA-Sharon-Area 51 Alliance can further their agenda of wiping out humanity and eating children." variety.

Uh, dude, you forgot the Illuminati. And the Masons. And the NSA. And Mossad. And Interpol. And the Shriners. And the KGB. Jeez.
Damn, I knew I was forgetting stuff. It must be the space-alien waves emanating from the Secret Stealth Satellites that are making me deny the Great Truth! Nevermind the gay love affair in which Bush, Sharon, Oliver North, and Cheney participate while Condeleeza films and then forces Noble Democratic Freedom Fighters interned in Guantanamo Bay to watch.

**********************
This reminds me of playing Starcraft and acting like a complete n00b (!!oneone) so that I might have a little backstabbing fun. "OMG can my hydras use space magic to kill the battleships?! I've heard that 2000 overlords and a virgin zergling can give you super space magic!" :) It's hilarious.

Putin and his KGB ties,

I see nothing wrong with the President of Russia having to ties to the security service. Hell, its not like they can lay claim to that, Bush Sr. was the former director of the CIA. And before you get all crazy on me, Russians for the most part prefer authoritarian leaders. They respond better to absolutists then they do to popularists.

I don't understand you... You seem to realize the inheriant lapse of accountability in allowing a secret-police operative to hold the highest seat of power ~ but you also excuse it.

It seems to me that you realize that Bush is an authoritarian but like it!

the CIA ties to Iran-Contra,

They were following Presidential policy, can't blame them for that.

First of all, "I was just following orders" will never be an acceptable excuse ~ second, by Presidential policy - are you admiting that Iran-Contra was a Bush operation?

the Mossad,

They are responsible for maintaining the security of a state beset by domestic and foreign based terrorist organizations. I also tend to avoid pissing them off.

They're also notorious for breaking international law.

the Pentagon's control by weapons producers,

When the board of directors for every large military ordinance manufacturing company is staffed with former members of the Pentagon and DoD, I think you have it the other way around about who controls who.

Same thing!
The point is that the guys who make war are the same guys who make money off of war!

the Skull and Bones monopoly on this election,

S&B has fallen on hard times the past decade in part by the efforts of The Rumpus and other investigative and humour magazines. You might as well blame the entire fraternity system for the same reasons as you blame the Skulls.

I have a hard time buying the idea that we live in a democratic society when the two major candidates belong to the same secret society.


the fact that al-Qa'ida was created by the CIA,

No, the Taliban was financed in part by the CIA through the ISI. Not Al Qaeda as it did not exist at that moment.

The CIA financed the Majuhadeen, which was led by Osama bin Laden during the Russo-Afghan War; they specialized in guerrilla warfare (read terrorism).

the Bush family Nazi ties,

Everyone had them, from IBM to the Kennedy's. You drive a Ford? Well, he supported them too.

Yes! That's important to understand as well ~ Before Henry Ford, cars were powered with Ethanol, but he and Rockefeller (Standard Oil) made a deal and the oil barrons have run this country ever since.



the prison-industrial complex,

No idea on this one.

It goes like this: the same CIA guys that are flooding the inner-cities with crack are on the payrolls of major private prison cooperations - now, that prison labor is legal, they can contract out dirt-cheep labor and receive major kick-backs.

and the Federal Reserve?


???????? That bastard Alan Greenspan and his mind control rays!


Do you know that the Federal Reserve is owned by a few wealthy multinational family's that have a monopoly on the money production? Do you realize that America's trillion dollars of debt is owed to the Federal Reserve? Woodrow Wilson, the man who signed the Fed into existance said on his deathbed that he had betrayed America by handing it over to the Federal Reserve!

I love it. Texastambul delivers lengthy posts that further discredit himself, and is too stupid to realize how much of a nutjob he seems. Keep up the good work, Tex, you're doing some great work for right-thinking (in both ways) people everywhere.

I love it. Texastambul delivers lengthy posts that further discredit himself

If you wish to debate me, then debate me.

I have newfound respect for you and no longer believe that you are out for conservatives. I have now seen you take out a major liberal while you yourself are a liberal. I see you are no longer biased. :shock:

I challange you to define "conservative" and "liberal" idealogies.

Putin and his KGB ties,

I see nothing wrong with the President of Russia having to ties to the security service. Hell, its not like they can lay claim to that, Bush Sr. was the former director of the CIA. And before you get all crazy on me, Russians for the most part prefer authoritarian leaders. They respond better to absolutists then they do to popularists.

I don't understand you... You seem to realize the inheriant lapse of accountability in allowing a secret-police operative to hold the highest seat of power ~ but you also excuse it.

It seems to me that you realize that Bush is an authoritarian but like it!

Every nation that has made the transition from a totalitarian regime to one more democratic has had members of the old military, security and bureaucratic core continue to serve in positions of power. This is a reality, not a conspirace. Russia has been under one form of authoritarian control since the Muscovites were a loose confederation of tribes. You expect them to immediately change their entire government system, one of the largest in the world, and elect completely "untainted" officials? I'm sorry, I don't think that even you are that naive.

the CIA ties to Iran-Contra,

They were following Presidential policy, can't blame them for that.

First of all, "I was just following orders" will never be an acceptable excuse ~ second, by Presidential policy - are you admiting that Iran-Contra was a Bush operation?[/quote]

I seem to have not explained myself clearly, The Central Intelligence Agency was operating under presidential orders not from their own policy directives. Individuals responsible for the illegal actions should be held responsible but the organization itself cannot be called the mastermind of a conspiracy that originated outside the security establishment.

I am not admitting that is was or was not a Bush operation. I am trying to descern the difference between "conspiracy" and "implementation and follow through of policy".

the Mossad,

They are responsible for maintaining the security of a state beset by domestic and foreign based terrorist organizations. I also tend to avoid pissing them off.

They're also notorious for breaking international law.[/quote]

The very nature of a foreign intelligence agency breaks a half dozen international laws. I hate to tell you but this country and many others within the West have been defended and protected by individuals and organizations that do not act under IL.

the Pentagon's control by weapons producers,

When the board of directors for every large military ordinance manufacturing company is staffed with former members of the Pentagon and DoD, I think you have it the other way around about who controls who.

Same thing!
The point is that the guys who make war are the same guys who make money off of war![/quote]

Really nothing new there. Krupp had ministers in the government. The British East India Company found it easier to purchase munitions facilities directly while they were in control of the sub-continent. The Free Armies in Machievellis Italy often were accompanied by their own armourers. War and Business have been bed fellows alot longer then the American Military Industrial Complex.

the Skull and Bones monopoly on this election,

S&B has fallen on hard times the past decade in part by the efforts of The Rumpus and other investigative and humour magazines. You might as well blame the entire fraternity system for the same reasons as you blame the Skulls.

I have a hard time buying the idea that we live in a democratic society when the two major candidates belong to the same secret society.[/quote]

I would like proof of that. And even if that was the case, you have repeatedly stated that the lead figures within the American administration are all controlled by shadowy corporate interests so their membership should mean little other then demonstrating their "supposed" connections.

Also, not every major business leader went to Yale, which is the only place that has the Skull and Bones Society. What about the emergence of billionaire Chinese, Japanese and European magnates who never attended American university but are present in the world arena? There are no academic fraternities in China, secret societies based upon old traditions yes, but they have little power over the industralization of the worlds biggest population.


the fact that al-Qa'ida was created by the CIA,

No, the Taliban was financed in part by the CIA through the ISI. Not Al Qaeda as it did not exist at that moment.

The CIA financed the Majuhadeen, which was led by Osama bin Laden during the Russo-Afghan War; they specialized in guerrilla warfare (read terrorism). [/quote]

Umm...no. OBL had not joined the Majuhadeen yet when the CIA begun distribution of funds. He only entered the scene near the end of the war and was never in a position of command until around 1992. I once again state that the ISI did the lions share of the training.

the Bush family Nazi ties,

Everyone had them, from IBM to the Kennedy's. You drive a Ford? Well, he supported them too.

Yes! That's important to understand as well ~ Before Henry Ford, cars were powered with Ethanol, but he and Rockefeller (Standard Oil) made a deal and the oil barrons have run this country ever since.[/quote]

Evidence please.

the prison-industrial complex,

No idea on this one.

It goes like this: the same CIA guys that are flooding the inner-cities with crack are on the payrolls of major private prison cooperations - now, that prison labor is legal, they can contract out dirt-cheep labor and receive major kick-backs.[/quote]

Wow, thats two completely seperate issues rolled into one. Very creative but not very accurate.

The distribution of crack cocaine was related to the aforementioned Iran-Contra scandal and lasted a very short amount of time before being shut down. It was subsequently taken over by criminal elements and investigations are still occuring to a degree.

The outsourcing of prison labor is also very old and originated in England and possibly before that in the great kingdoms of the Middle East millenia ago. Within America, the employment of prisoners occured well before the privatization of prisons and was done on a local level to benefit municipal bureaucrats. It was corruption and nothing else. I have never heard the CIA (a non-law enforcement organization) being involved with any prisons or correctional facilities.

and the Federal Reserve?


???????? That bastard Alan Greenspan and his mind control rays!


Do you know that the Federal Reserve is owned by a few wealthy multinational family's that have a monopoly on the money production? Do you realize that America's trillion dollars of debt is owed to the Federal Reserve? Woodrow Wilson, the man who signed the Fed into existance said on his deathbed that he had betrayed America by handing it over to the Federal Reserve![/quote]

Never heard that quote and I have studied Woodrow Wilson extensively for his role in the Paris peace talks. I also disagree with your explanation of national debt structures but will leave that to another more budget proficient person to explain.

Sorry for the spelling but it is late for me.

Pertole Dependency: The BIG LIE
The government's own web-site mentions Henry Ford's and Standard Oil's deal... See, it is important to know that Ford didn't invent the automobile, he invented the manufacturing process. Before Ford, automobiles ran on Ethanol -- Rockefeller struck up a deal with Ford, and latter with congress. At one point, congress actually made it illegal to use Ethonal for automobiles:

http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/history_of_biofuels.html

Dangit, our news reporter is gone.

The Prison-Industrail Complex

The most obvious example of this is the private prison company - Wackenhut - this company is crawling with FBI - CIA types.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/sc1992209connolly1.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wackenhut


http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1083

Not only that, but Wackenhut also runs the security for the US embassy in Venezula - is it still denied that Bush is trying to oust Chavez

Pertole Dependency: The BIG LIE
The government's own web-site mentions Henry Ford's and Standard Oil's deal... See, it is important to know that Ford didn't invent the automobile, he invented the manufacturing process. Before Ford, automobiles ran on Ethanol -- Rockefeller struck up a deal with Ford, and latter with congress. At one point, congress actually made it illegal to use Ethonal for automobiles:

http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/history_of_biofuels.html

Nothing on that site mentions Standard Oil or the conspiracy by Rockefeller to enslave America to oil.

Just so we are clear, you have given up on all but this and the Prison-Industrial Complex conspiracies? I mean you have no legitimate evidence to indicate "conspiracy" and not strategic policy.

I will get to your Wackenhut links later today when I have the time but already I can say that the last two links are suspect. I trust nothing from Wikipedia or what is obviously a government sponsored political site but since I believe that there was tactic American support for the coup in Venezuala, I will look into this.

Pertole Dependency: The BIG LIE
The government's own web-site mentions Henry Ford's and Standard Oil's deal... See, it is important to know that Ford didn't invent the automobile, he invented the manufacturing process. Before Ford, automobiles ran on Ethanol -- Rockefeller struck up a deal with Ford, and latter with congress. At one point, congress actually made it illegal to use Ethonal for automobiles:

http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/history_of_biofuels.html

Nothing on that site mentions Standard Oil or the conspiracy by Rockefeller to enslave America to oil.


First of all, a cursory look at Rockefeller's Oil monopoly will tell you that he 'conspired' to enslave America with oil -- beyond that, the gov't site mentions Standard Oil by name in the second sentence of the History of Biofules page:

the Standard Oil Company marketed a 25% by volume absolute ethanol in gasoline in the Baltimore area, but high corn prices combined with storage and transportation difficulties terminated the project. During the 1930s, more than 2,000 service stations in the Midwest sold this ethanol made from corn and called it "gasohol." Low petroleum prices closed the ethanol production plant in the 1940s, taking with it that business for America's farmers, and gasohol was replaced by petroleum.

First, transporting and storing ethonal has never been a problem -- why would it be harder than transporting petro?

Now, to understand the economics, you have to understand the time: all forms of alcohol were hevily taxed -- and for awhile they were banned -- during this time frame! (Also, I don't think it is a coincidence that Rockefeller funded the temporance movement)

Imagine your a farmer and you own a still (to make ethanol) -- you're house is raded -- Pinkertons destroy your equipment and haul you off to jail. It is a little known fact that the Oil Industry created Prohibition to control the farmers and secure their strangle-hold on the automobile industry!

But nevermind that for now: just read this article by David Morris (US Dept. of Energy and Agriculture) and see if it changes the way you view the Oil Industry.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12957

*singing in perfect imitation of joni mitchell*

Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone......

Just so we are clear, you have given up on all but this and the Prison-Industrial Complex conspiracies? I mean you have no legitimate evidence to indicate "conspiracy" and not strategic policy.


To be fair, I never used the word "conspiracy" -- and if you want to call it policy, then I'll agree with that term -- either way, no matter what you call it, it doesn't change the fact that it is an atrocity!

We seem to agree that Russia has fallen back under the rule of the KGB, that Iran-Contra reached higher into the Administration than the Senate Hearings revealed, that George Bush's joint positions in the CIA and as President undermined legitimate governance, that all secret-police agencies operate outside of international law, that the military-industrial complex is in full swing ~ you just seem to excuse these facts, where I don't

But no, I have plenty more to talk about:

There is the matter of Bush~Kerry = Skull and Bones connection:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020904presidentquizzed.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/010104kerryadmits.html

The Osoma/CIA connection: http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

I deleted him.. enough was enough. He ignored my numerous warnings to stop spamming the forum with copy/paste..

Now, if any of you have ever read my posts.. please don't accuse me of bias.. because you know that is just not the case, obviously.

I wish he had of just taken the warnings.. and to be fair, I did give him more then most. Given his crime was copy/paste I never seen it on the same level as flaming, etc.. but enough was enough.

Stephanie
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I have newfound respect for you and no longer believe that you are out for conservatives. I have now seen you take out a major liberal while you yourself are a liberal. I see you are no longer biased. :shock:

I am also a liberal, and couldn't stand TRA. Just because you might agree with someone on some political issues doesn't necessarily mean that you support their jackass behavior.