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was Bushs pretzel incident a cocaine induced brain stroke?

04-05-2004, 01:25
* could cocaine abuse be the cause of Bushs obvious mental inferiority?


1. Did the famous 'pretzel' dive and resulting
bruise have anything to do with a 'seizure'? 2. If Bush had one 'seizure' who is
to say there won't be (weren't?) more? 3. Could 'seizure' be a polite way of
saying TIA or 'mini-stroke'? Such events often leave some measure of
damage...depending on which portion of the brain was affected. Further, TIAs, once
begun, have a habit of continuing...building up to a major stroke in many cases.
4. Brain strokes are common in cocaine use...especially long-term abuse and
smoking of crack.. The President's behavior falls well within the medical
boundaries of cocaine stroke. See:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol13N3/Cocaine.html 5. Mental impairment is also a hallmark of HIV infection and
is measurable even from the earliest stages of infection. Usually referred to
as 'AIDS Dementia' it commonly presents as forgetfulness and confusion. Rumors
of Bush's bisexuality and his alleged/whispered involvement with a longtime
pal and mayor of a major Eastern city have been around for years. See:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Mental/Archive/Reactions/Q8505.html This report
states Bush is said to be taking "oral medication at least twice a day
according to [redacted] because of an unspecified 'indisposition'." Such an
'indisposition' might well be related to either of the items above. IF this story is
true - and quite clearly there IS something wrong with President Bush's mental
faculties - we have a national crisis at hand. Bush has steadfastly refused to
open his medical records - a sure indicator there is something to hide. If
Bush should ever lapse into an 'unknown' language when news cams were rolling,
one can only wonder what the results would be... -
Colodia
04-05-2004, 02:25
I choke on a bunch of things, including pretzels. Yet, I do not do drugs

Really TRA, you really know how to amuse minds that take vacations :lol:
04-05-2004, 02:28
I choke on a bunch of things, including pretzels. Yet, I do not do drugs

Really TRA, you really know how to amuse minds that take vacations :lol:

Bush has spent the entire 70s snorting MOUNTAINS of cocaine (even getting arrested for possession of it once-altho daddy took care of that too)--I think the state of Bushs brain can be used as an excellent ad for people to use drugs responsibly
Ashmoria
04-05-2004, 02:29
hahahah you are such a troll
i think i love you
will you marry me?
Colodia
04-05-2004, 02:31
I choke on a bunch of things, including pretzels. Yet, I do not do drugs

Really TRA, you really know how to amuse minds that take vacations :lol:

Bush has spent the entire 70s snorting MOUNTAINS of cocaine (even getting arrested for possession of it once-altho daddy took care of that too)--I think the state of Bushs brain can be used as an excellent ad for people to use drugs responsibly

try smuggling a gun into the White House. It's as hard as smuggling illegal drugs into the White House.

Even still, people choke. It's the way of life
04-05-2004, 02:33
hahahah you are such a troll
i think i love you
will you marry me?

cant we just live together in sin? :P
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 02:42
* could cocaine abuse be the cause of Bushs obvious mental inferiority?


1. Did the famous 'pretzel' dive and resulting
bruise have anything to do with a 'seizure'?

Oh, good grief.


2. If Bush had one 'seizure' who is
to say there won't be (weren't?) more?

Haven't shown he's even had one, yet. As for having more, are you now saying that having seizures is cause to remove someone from the White House? Nice how you can use discrimination against handicaps when it suits you.


3. Could 'seizure' be a polite way of
saying TIA or 'mini-stroke'? Such events often leave some measure of
damage...depending on which portion of the brain was affected. Further, TIAs, once
begun, have a habit of continuing...building up to a major stroke in many cases.

My God, the speculation in this is rampant. My aunt had a stroke last year that she still hasn't recovered from? Was she a cocaine user? No, she has Lupus. Really TRA, try to put some proof in your logic chains. This is just insulting.


4. Brain strokes are common in cocaine use...especially long-term abuse and
smoking of crack.. The President's behavior falls well within the medical
boundaries of cocaine stroke.

I've heard it alleged that Bush used cocaine but the only evidence that was ever put forth was for prior alcohol abuse. Care to show us where the evidence is that he was abusing cocaine or crack?


5. Mental impairment is also a hallmark of HIV infection and
is measurable even from the earliest stages of infection. Usually referred to
as 'AIDS Dementia' it commonly presents as forgetfulness and confusion. Rumors
of Bush's bisexuality and his alleged/whispered involvement with a longtime
pal and mayor of a major Eastern city have been around for years. See:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Mental/Archive/Reactions/Q8505.html


This is incredibly insulting, TRA, and baselessly accusatory. Not only are you now accusing the President of being HIV+, which is laughable, but you are also insulting the millions of people worldwide who live with HIV everyday. These types of unfounded allegations are exactly why no one takes you seriously.


This report
states Bush is said to be taking "oral medication at least twice a day
according to [redacted] because of an unspecified 'indisposition'."

Oh, big woo. I take Allegra D twice a day for severe allergies. Lots of people take lots of things, but nice of you to try and use AIDS paranoia to make a stink. This is below even you.

[quote=The Red Arrow]
Such an
'indisposition' might well be related to either of the items above.

Or, much more likely, it is completely unrelated.


IF this story is
true

That is one helluva big if.


- and quite clearly there IS something wrong with President Bush's mental
faculties -

Other than being a weak-willed pawn in a game he doesn't fully understand, it has never been shown that anything is wrong with Bush's mental faculties, inflammitory rhetoric to the side.


we have a national crisis at hand. Bush has steadfastly refused to
open his medical records - a sure indicator there is something to hide.

The hell there is! This is downright hypocritical. Liberals (did I just say that?) like you bitch and moan about the Patriot Act and the loss of freedoms we now endure because of it, then you turn around and point speculative fingers at someone because they want to keep what is rightfully a private matter private. Honestly, this is doublespeak at it's most fowl, TRA.


If
Bush should ever lapse into an 'unknown' language when news cams were rolling,
one can only wonder what the results would be... -

It would probably resemble one of your posts: Insulting, offensive, counterproductive and completely devoid of any contact with reality. For the love of God, I could say that George Bush, Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey and John Travolta all frequently meet in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House to have unprotected sex with young boys until the cows come home and that still wouldn't make it true.
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 02:43
DP
04-05-2004, 02:45
I choke on a bunch of things, including pretzels. Yet, I do not do drugs

Really TRA, you really know how to amuse minds that take vacations :lol:

Bush has spent the entire 70s snorting MOUNTAINS of cocaine (even getting arrested for possession of it once-altho daddy took care of that too)--I think the state of Bushs brain can be used as an excellent ad for people to use drugs responsibly

try smuggling a gun into the White House. It's as hard as smuggling illegal drugs into the White House.

Even still, people choke. It's the way of life

maybe he was sniffin them at camp David
Ashmoria
04-05-2004, 02:46
hahahah you are such a troll
i think i love you
will you marry me?

cant we just live together in sin? :P

hmmm i hadnt considered that, let me talk to my husband about it and get back to you.

in the meantime its just wishful thinking to blame TIAs on bush's utter lack of regard for the truth. it would be so nice to believe that he just doesnt remember what really happened

did you see that former ambassador whos wife was outed for working for the cia on tv this morning? he was talking about how bush knew full well before his state of the union address that iraq had never tried to buy nuclear materials in africa. he personally wrote up a report on it as did several other people
04-05-2004, 03:15
04-05-2004, 03:17
* could cocaine abuse be the cause of Bushs obvious mental inferiority?


1. Did the famous 'pretzel' dive and resulting
bruise have anything to do with a 'seizure'?

Oh, good grief.


2. If Bush had one 'seizure' who is
to say there won't be (weren't?) more?

Haven't shown he's even had one, yet. As for having more, are you now saying that having seizures is cause to remove someone from the White House? Nice how you can use discrimination against handicaps when it suits you.


3. Could 'seizure' be a polite way of
saying TIA or 'mini-stroke'? Such events often leave some measure of
damage...depending on which portion of the brain was affected. Further, TIAs, once
begun, have a habit of continuing...building up to a major stroke in many cases.

My God, the speculation in this is rampant. My aunt had a stroke last year that she still hasn't recovered from? Was she a cocaine user? No, she has Lupus. Really TRA, try to put some proof in your logic chains. This is just insulting.


4. Brain strokes are common in cocaine use...especially long-term abuse and
smoking of crack.. The President's behavior falls well within the medical
boundaries of cocaine stroke.

I've heard it alleged that Bush used cocaine but the only evidence that was ever put forth was for prior alcohol abuse. Care to show us where the evidence is that he was abusing cocaine or crack?


5. Mental impairment is also a hallmark of HIV infection and
is measurable even from the earliest stages of infection. Usually referred to
as 'AIDS Dementia' it commonly presents as forgetfulness and confusion. Rumors
of Bush's bisexuality and his alleged/whispered involvement with a longtime
pal and mayor of a major Eastern city have been around for years. See:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Mental/Archive/Reactions/Q8505.html


This is incredibly insulting, TRA, and baselessly accusatory. Not only are you now accusing the President of being HIV+, which is laughable, but you are also insulting the millions of people worldwide who live with HIV everyday. These types of unfounded allegations are exactly why no one takes you seriously.


This report
states Bush is said to be taking "oral medication at least twice a day
according to [redacted] because of an unspecified 'indisposition'."

Oh, big woo. I take Allegra D twice a day for severe allergies. Lots of people take lots of things, but nice of you to try and use AIDS paranoia to make a stink. This is below even you.

[quote=The Red Arrow]
Such an
'indisposition' might well be related to either of the items above.

Or, much more likely, it is completely unrelated.


IF this story is
true

That is one helluva big if.


- and quite clearly there IS something wrong with President Bush's mental
faculties -

Other than being a weak-willed pawn in a game he doesn't fully understand, it has never been shown that anything is wrong with Bush's mental faculties, inflammitory rhetoric to the side.


we have a national crisis at hand. Bush has steadfastly refused to
open his medical records - a sure indicator there is something to hide.

The hell there is! This is downright hypocritical. Liberals (did I just say that?) like you bitch and moan about the Patriot Act and the loss of freedoms we now endure because of it, then you turn around and point speculative fingers at someone because they want to keep what is rightfully a private matter private. Honestly, this is doublespeak at it's most fowl, TRA.


If
Bush should ever lapse into an 'unknown' language when news cams were rolling,
one can only wonder what the results would be... -

It would probably resemble one of your posts: Insulting, offensive, counterproductive and completely devoid of any contact with reality. For the love of God, I could say that George Bush, Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey and John Travolta all frequently meet in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House to have unprotected sex with young boys until the cows come home and that still wouldn't make it true.

I didnt write that post--someone named "John Rense" did. And Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in the 70s and he also indirectly admitted to using it too when asked directly about past coke use. Im not saying this copy and paste necessarely true all Im doing is trying to figure out the origions of Bushs apparent brain damage
04-05-2004, 03:17
* could cocaine abuse be the cause of Bushs obvious mental inferiority?


1. Did the famous 'pretzel' dive and resulting
bruise have anything to do with a 'seizure'?

Oh, good grief.


2. If Bush had one 'seizure' who is
to say there won't be (weren't?) more?

Haven't shown he's even had one, yet. As for having more, are you now saying that having seizures is cause to remove someone from the White House? Nice how you can use discrimination against handicaps when it suits you.


3. Could 'seizure' be a polite way of
saying TIA or 'mini-stroke'? Such events often leave some measure of
damage...depending on which portion of the brain was affected. Further, TIAs, once
begun, have a habit of continuing...building up to a major stroke in many cases.

My God, the speculation in this is rampant. My aunt had a stroke last year that she still hasn't recovered from? Was she a cocaine user? No, she has Lupus. Really TRA, try to put some proof in your logic chains. This is just insulting.


4. Brain strokes are common in cocaine use...especially long-term abuse and
smoking of crack.. The President's behavior falls well within the medical
boundaries of cocaine stroke.

I've heard it alleged that Bush used cocaine but the only evidence that was ever put forth was for prior alcohol abuse. Care to show us where the evidence is that he was abusing cocaine or crack?


5. Mental impairment is also a hallmark of HIV infection and
is measurable even from the earliest stages of infection. Usually referred to
as 'AIDS Dementia' it commonly presents as forgetfulness and confusion. Rumors
of Bush's bisexuality and his alleged/whispered involvement with a longtime
pal and mayor of a major Eastern city have been around for years. See:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Mental/Archive/Reactions/Q8505.html


This is incredibly insulting, TRA, and baselessly accusatory. Not only are you now accusing the President of being HIV+, which is laughable, but you are also insulting the millions of people worldwide who live with HIV everyday. These types of unfounded allegations are exactly why no one takes you seriously.


This report
states Bush is said to be taking "oral medication at least twice a day
according to [redacted] because of an unspecified 'indisposition'."

Oh, big woo. I take Allegra D twice a day for severe allergies. Lots of people take lots of things, but nice of you to try and use AIDS paranoia to make a stink. This is below even you.

[quote=The Red Arrow]
Such an
'indisposition' might well be related to either of the items above.

Or, much more likely, it is completely unrelated.


IF this story is
true

That is one helluva big if.


- and quite clearly there IS something wrong with President Bush's mental
faculties -

Other than being a weak-willed pawn in a game he doesn't fully understand, it has never been shown that anything is wrong with Bush's mental faculties, inflammitory rhetoric to the side.


we have a national crisis at hand. Bush has steadfastly refused to
open his medical records - a sure indicator there is something to hide.

The hell there is! This is downright hypocritical. Liberals (did I just say that?) like you bitch and moan about the Patriot Act and the loss of freedoms we now endure because of it, then you turn around and point speculative fingers at someone because they want to keep what is rightfully a private matter private. Honestly, this is doublespeak at it's most fowl, TRA.


If
Bush should ever lapse into an 'unknown' language when news cams were rolling,
one can only wonder what the results would be... -

It would probably resemble one of your posts: Insulting, offensive, counterproductive and completely devoid of any contact with reality. For the love of God, I could say that George Bush, Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey and John Travolta all frequently meet in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House to have unprotected sex with young boys until the cows come home and that still wouldn't make it true.

I didnt write that post--someone named "John Rense" did. And Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in the 70s and he also indirectly admitted to using it too when asked directly about past coke use. Im not saying this copy and paste necessarely true all Im doing is trying to figure out the origions of Bushs apparent brain damage
04-05-2004, 03:20
hahahah you are such a troll
i think i love you
will you marry me?

cant we just live together in sin? :P

hmmm i hadnt considered that, let me talk to my husband about it and get back to you.

in the meantime its just wishful thinking to blame TIAs on bush's utter lack of regard for the truth. it would be so nice to believe that he just doesnt remember what really happened

did you see that former ambassador whos wife was outed for working for the cia on tv this morning? he was talking about how bush knew full well before his state of the union address that iraq had never tried to buy nuclear materials in africa. he personally wrote up a report on it as did several other people

its hard to fathom Bushs deep seated evil when its staring you straight in the face this way--its easier to believe hes mentally ill--especially after watching him try to talk on TV
04-05-2004, 03:20
hahahah you are such a troll
i think i love you
will you marry me?

cant we just live together in sin? :P

hmmm i hadnt considered that, let me talk to my husband about it and get back to you.

in the meantime its just wishful thinking to blame TIAs on bush's utter lack of regard for the truth. it would be so nice to believe that he just doesnt remember what really happened

did you see that former ambassador whos wife was outed for working for the cia on tv this morning? he was talking about how bush knew full well before his state of the union address that iraq had never tried to buy nuclear materials in africa. he personally wrote up a report on it as did several other people

its hard to fathom Bushs deep seated evil when its staring you straight in the face this way--its easier to believe hes mentally ill--especially after watching him try to talk on TV
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 03:21
I didnt write that post--someone named "John Rense" did. And Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in the 70s and he also indirectly admitted to using it too when asked directly about past coke use. Im not saying this copy and paste necessarely true all Im doing is trying to figure out the origions of Bushs apparent brain damage

That's great, but this is not the way to do it. You know how you got offended when we discussed Bush "allowing" 9/11 to happen because your sister died in those attacks, well, I've lost both friends and family to HIV and AIDS and it offends me deeply when someone uses AIDS paranoia to justify and attack against someone and, while doing so, shows a complete lack of understanding of both the virus, how it affects people and the syndrom it causes.

Get better sources.
04-05-2004, 03:24
I didnt write that post--someone named "John Rense" did. And Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in the 70s and he also indirectly admitted to using it too when asked directly about past coke use. Im not saying this copy and paste necessarely true all Im doing is trying to figure out the origions of Bushs apparent brain damage

That's great, but this is not the way to do it. You know how you got offended when we discussed Bush "allowing" 9/11 to happen because your sister died in those attacks, well, I've lost both friends and family to HIV and AIDS and it offends me deeply when someone uses AIDS paranoia to justify and attack against someone and, while doing so, shows a complete lack of understanding of both the virus, how it affects people and the syndrom it causes.

Get better sources.

I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 03:33
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

Yes. You should have. I am more than prepared to believe that Bush may have used cocaine. There are a lot of people in this society that have, particularly when they were younger. I am not willing to make a logical leap that that fact alone makes them a bad person or explains any perceived loss of function that they may have without some sort of evidenciary link.

I think Bush's apparent "lack of understanding" can possibly be attributed to being completely out of touch with the majority of United States citizens. As you have pointed out, he has led a sheltered life and has never had to take responsibility for his mistakes (like a large number of people who have grown up wealthy). Consequently, it has never dawned on him that he might need to develop empathy for the experiences and situations of others and this, coupled with his handler's work to "protect" him from conditions and knowledge that may challenge the view they would like to put forth has given him a false assurance that he is acting in everyone's best interests simply because he's the one doing it. Any additional inconsistencies in his behavior and comprehension are completely attributable to long-term alcohol abuse, which he has acknowledged.
Texastambul
04-05-2004, 03:40
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 03:43
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

Don't even try it, Texastambul. I'm a raging liberal and I recognize this and a hideously biased source with very little basis in factual reality.
Texastambul
04-05-2004, 03:51
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 03:54
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less

A) This in 2004, not 1984.

B) The scandal which you are referring to was only a blip because it was just that, a blip. A few junior staffers were indicated but there was nothing to link it to anyone higher up.

C) Even if it were true, it doesn't justify this pointless and offensive speculation regarding George W. Bush.
Freindly Humans
04-05-2004, 03:56
HAHAHAH

That was hillarious, I love it.
Texastambul
04-05-2004, 03:57
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

Don't even try it, Texastambul. I'm a raging liberal and I recognize this and a hideously biased source with very little basis in factual reality.

This "source" is an archive -- the third video from the bottom was done by the Discovery Channel -- and it is accompanied with the front page of the Washington Times!!


Your not a "raging liberal" your just a fanatic caught up in a non-existant political struggle between two parties that want the same thing. Get a grip and think out side the "left V right" confines of Karl Rove and realize that BOTH parties are trying to take away your liberty!
04-05-2004, 03:57
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

there was a man who supposedly could document Bushs giving blowjobs to other bonesmen in a coffin during his Yale days--but that guy mysteriously died and no one ever bothered to follow it up
Texastambul
04-05-2004, 04:03
A) This in 2004, not 1984.

and...

B) The scandal which you are referring to was only a blip because it was just that, a blip. A few junior staffers were indicated but there was nothing to link it to anyone higher up.

It was more than just a few junior staffers -- remember, this took place inside the White House -- not exactly the most lax place for security... nothing goes on in there they they don't want to!

C) Even if it were true, it doesn't justify this pointless and offensive speculation regarding George W. Bush.

Some people still care if the leader of this country is a coke-addict hedonistic fascist warmonger -- and some people don't
04-05-2004, 04:05
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

Don't even try it, Texastambul. I'm a raging liberal and I recognize this and a hideously biased source with very little basis in factual reality.

the monsters currently in power are very real-
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 04:07
This "source" is an archive -- the third video from the bottom was done by the Discovery Channel -- and it is accompanied with the front page of the Washington Times!!

The "source" is a compliation with an agenda that purports to have a videotape that even they say doesn't exist! Furthermore, this is about the scandal from the 80s and has nothing to do with proving any AIDS linkage or bisexuality to George W. Bush other than he's criminally ignoring the emerging problem of the virus in Africa.


Your not a "raging liberal" your just a fanatic caught up in a non-existant political struggle between two parties that want the same thing. Get a grip and think out side the "left V right" confines of Karl Rove and realize that BOTH parties are trying to take away your liberty!

I'm not caught up in labels and I'm certainly not a puppet of Rove or his Neo-Con Hawks, but I do have a certain basic respect for not only the truth and relevency but also for the office of the President of the United States. I was appalled when Republicans waged their smut war in the 90s just as I am appalled now when the other side is trying to use the same tactics.
04-05-2004, 04:07
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less

was Reagans son involved? from what I heard of him he was a ballerina?
04-05-2004, 04:11
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less

A) This in 2004, not 1984.

B) The scandal which you are referring to was only a blip because it was just that, a blip. A few junior staffers were indicated but there was nothing to link it to anyone higher up.

C) Even if it were true, it doesn't justify this pointless and offensive speculation regarding George W. Bush.

whats truely offensive is the way the unelected Dictator Bush is subverting Democracy in America and destablizing the world for neo con globalist parasites
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 04:11
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less

was Reagans son involved? from what I heard of him he was a ballerina?

Great Zombie Jesus! What in the name of due process does Ron Regan, Jr., have to do with George W. Bush?
04-05-2004, 04:20
I was more focused on the cocaine angle--I didnt understand the Aids part of that post at all which is why I ignored it cause it didnt add up--I shoulda cut that part out

NO, there was a huge scandle in 1984 with homosexual prostitutes in the White House -- this is a story that got little media attention but happened none-the-less

was Reagans son involved? from what I heard of him he was a ballerina?

Great Zombie Jesus! What in the name of due process does Ron Regan, Jr., have to do with George W. Bush?

maybe they had sex together at one of the White House orgies?... then again maybe not--I know Nancy Reagan never wanted to let the Bushs in the White House during the Reagan years ever since Bushs father hired that sleeper agent to shoot her husband
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 04:20
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

there was a man who supposedly could document Bushs giving blowjobs to other bonesmen in a coffin during his Yale days--but that guy mysteriously died and no one ever bothered to follow it up

So what, there was also a guy who claimed to be able to prove Tom Cruise's homosexuality. Until you have his testimony on tape, it's speculation and, to an extent, slander.

Regardless, it's muckraking of the heighest order and beneath contempt. Why do you feel the need to make these fabricated charges when there is so much real, factual evidence about things DIRECTLY RELATING TO HIS JOB? Isn't this exactly the same kind of crap the Republicans pulled on Clinton? Why are you reducing yourself to that level of mudslinging?
04-05-2004, 04:24
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_drugsmoney.htm

The first video explains how the CIA (George Bush's Cartel) brings in the Cocain -- the third video from the bottom explains bi-curious George's illicit sex rings....

there was a man who supposedly could document Bushs giving blowjobs to other bonesmen in a coffin during his Yale days--but that guy mysteriously died and no one ever bothered to follow it up

So what, there was also a guy who claimed to be able to prove Tom Cruise's homosexuality. Until you have his testimony on tape, it's speculation and, to an extent, slander.

Regardless, it's muckraking of the heighest order and beneath contempt. Why do you feel the need to make these fabricated charges when there is so much real, factual evidence about things DIRECTLY RELATING TO HIS JOB? Isn't this exactly the same kind of crap the Republicans pulled on Clinton? Why are you reducing yourself to that level of mudslinging?
Im know 2 paparazzi who know personally who Tom Cruises gay lover was--they told me over the phone--they have stuff on every celebrity you can imagine--these arent fabricated stories theyre all documented somewhere
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 04:25
It was more than just a few junior staffers -- remember, this took place inside the White House -- not exactly the most lax place for security... nothing goes on in there they they don't want to!

No, it was exactly that. A blip that had no linkage to anyone higher up the chain. And, regardless of all of this, IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO!!!


C) Even if it were true, it doesn't justify this pointless and offensive speculation regarding George W. Bush.

Some people still care if the leader of this country is a coke-addict hedonistic fascist warmonger -- and some people don't

Oh, lose the holier than thou attitude, Tex. I care that this country is being run by a hate-mongering, war-proponent who not only doesn't care about the majority of United States citizens, but doesn't care about a majority of the world in general. That is far more pertanent than wherever harbor he might or might not have docked his ship in. I also care when people who say they oppose George W. Bush use the same hateful tactics of questioning sexuality and promoting AIDS phobia to take pitiful potshots at him, thereby not only marginalizing huge swathes of the U.S. and the world's population, but also further tarnishing the office that the Republican's tried to smear back in the 90s.
04-05-2004, 04:28
It was more than just a few junior staffers -- remember, this took place inside the White House -- not exactly the most lax place for security... nothing goes on in there they they don't want to!

No, it was exactly that. A blip that had no linkage to anyone higher up the chain. And, regardless of all of this, IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO!!!


C) Even if it were true, it doesn't justify this pointless and offensive speculation regarding George W. Bush.

Some people still care if the leader of this country is a coke-addict hedonistic fascist warmonger -- and some people don't

Oh, lose the holier than thou attitude, Tex. I care that this country is being run by a hate-mongering, war-proponent who not only doesn't care about the majority of United States citizens, but doesn't care about a majority of the world in general. That is far more pertanent than wherever harbor he might or might not have docked his ship in. I also care when people who say they oppose George W. Bush use the same hateful tactics of questioning sexuality and promoting AIDS phobia to take pitiful potshots at him, thereby not only marginalizing huge swathes of the U.S. and the world's population, but also further tarnishing the office that the Republican's tried to smear back in the 90s.

its said that those people who percecute gays the most are usally self hating gays themselves who try to hide their homosexuality behind their religious fanaticsm
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 04:32
Im know 2 paparazzi who know personally who Tom Cruises gay lover was--they told me over the phone--they have stuff on every celebrity you can imagine--these arent fabricated stories theyre all documented somewhere

Yes, well, we're all aware of how completely trustworthy paparazzi are. Regular altruistic crusaders for freedom, justice and liberty, them. Butter wouldn't melt in their mouths. God bless the unbiased and completely objective paparazzi. :roll:

As for being documented "somewhere," it's not documented anywhere accessable (if at all), so until it is, this is mudslinging. Remember, the end does not justify the means.
Texastambul
04-05-2004, 04:55
There are several reasons that Bush's illict behavior comes into play:

1) It could be used to blackmail him. (nothing like a video of the president snorting a line of coke or going down on some guy)

2) It exposes his monumental hypocracy.

3) It would prove that he isn't running the country -- that instead someone behind the sceens was controlling him.
04-05-2004, 05:00
There are several reasons that Bush's illict behavior comes into play:

1) It could be used to blackmail him. (nothing like a video of the president snorting a line of coke or going down on some guy)

2) It exposes his monumental hypocracy.

3) It would prove that he isn't running the country -- that instead someone behind the sceens was controlling him.

I agree--I dont think those things are wrong in themselfs but the rank of hypocracy of someone like Bush engaging in them
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 05:03
There are several reasons that Bush's illict behavior comes into play:

1) It could be used to blackmail him. (nothing like a video of the president snorting a line of coke or going down on some guy)

2) It exposes his monumental hypocracy.

3) It would prove that he isn't running the country -- that instead someone behind the sceens was controlling him.

What illicit behavior? We all know he was an alcoholic. According to you, we also all know that he was a coke head. So what, exactly, is still in hiding? Again, you've failed to link him to the sexual indictments. And, again, you have sunk to a level of muckraking and slander that is reprehensable.

I begin to feel like I'm wasting my time with this.
04-05-2004, 05:10
There are several reasons that Bush's illict behavior comes into play:

1) It could be used to blackmail him. (nothing like a video of the president snorting a line of coke or going down on some guy)

2) It exposes his monumental hypocracy.

3) It would prove that he isn't running the country -- that instead someone behind the sceens was controlling him.

What illicit behavior? We all know he was an alcoholic. According to you, we also all know that he was a coke head. So what, exactly, is still in hiding? Again, you've failed to link him to the sexual indictments. And, again, you have sunk to a level of muckraking and slander that is reprehensable.

I begin to feel like I'm wasting my time with this.

its not muckracking necessarely--we havent gotten to the BAD things Bush has done yet
Berkylvania
04-05-2004, 05:16
its not muckracking necessarely--we havent gotten to the BAD things Bush has done yet

Making unsubstantiated claims intending to somehow sully or attack an individual's character is indeed muckraking. At least be honest and admit it.
04-05-2004, 05:59
its not muckracking necessarely--we havent gotten to the BAD things Bush has done yet

Making unsubstantiated claims intending to somehow sully or attack an individual's character is indeed muckraking. At least be honest and admit it.

its an art the republicans have mastered--so its only fitting it should be used against them--after how they slandered a war hero like Max Cleland and stole the election from him with a computer program I think people must fight these terrorists within in a no holds barred manner--this is our inner war