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A life in pictures of the greatest woman ever born.

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The victorious Iron Lady on the great night that no one will ever forget.

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The Queen meets Elizabeth Windsor for the first time after taking power

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Thatcher on her way to crush the evil strikers who wanted to force the country to allow them to work.

Thatcher denouncing the vicious miners after not doing what they were told by the innocent, pacifist police (http://www.margaretthatcher.net/multimedia/It-must-not-succeed-audio.ram)

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Thatcher, at home with the Mrs.

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Thatcher getting ready for her next war, 1987.

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"Owned"

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Thatcher announces her successor and hands over power.

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And they live happily ever after

Bump

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

In other news:

"Stand down Margaret, stand down please, stand down Margaret"

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

Well, a person can dream? lol

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

In other news:

"Stand down Margaret, stand down please, stand down Margaret"

John who?

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

Well, a person can dream? lol

For all his faults he had the nous to realise that actually talking to the IRA & Sinn Fein, rather than censoring them from the broadcast media, would lead to less people getting killed.

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

In other news:

"Stand down Margaret, stand down please, stand down Margaret"

John who?

Exactly..lol

Milk Snatcher!

You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

Well, a person can dream? lol

For all his faults he had the nous to realise that actually talking to the IRA & Sinn Fein, rather than censoring them from the broadcast media, would lead to less people getting killed.

Granted, but he was never the most charismatic person and he has never been dubbed as the natural successor to Margaret Thatcher

Granted, but he was never the most charismatic person and he has never been dubbed as the natural successor to Margaret Thatcher

You would rather have had ten more years of evil incarnate quoting St Francis of Assisi and claiming that there is no such thing as society?

Granted, but he was never the most charismatic person and he has never been dubbed as the natural successor to Margaret Thatcher

You would rather have had ten more years of evil incarnate quoting St Francis of Assisi and claiming that there is no such thing as society?

No, I'd rather she had never existed at all. That a society that placed little or no value on education or any other services that didn't make profits never existed. That money was valued above humanity never existed.

Hey, a man can dream.
"Without dreams, we have nothing"

Its thanks to Maggie and John that New Labour and Teflon Tony have prospered. Without the changes that Maggie brought about our country would still be a decaying shell with 3 day weeks and selfish Trade Unions striking for ridiculous demands.

In fact Old Labour was so out of touch that New Labour had to steal Tory policies and ideas in order to get elected.

1979 - 1997 Well done Maggie and John.

Good Luck Michael.

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Thatcher did more damage to this country than the Blitzkrieg ever did.

What were those unemployment figures again?

Margaret Thatcher was cool

What were those unemployment figures again?

6.5 million officially, iirc.

But it was all the fault of the lazy workers. Benefits were too high and there was plenty of work available :roll:

Points used against Maggie by others:

1. Poll Tax
2. Miners Strike
3. 3m Unemployed

1. The Poll Tax was a fair tax. If you were unemployed or on low income then you could get benefits that meant you were paying hardly anything. As for the rest, why shouldn't you pay for what you use? Does a rich man use the street lights, bin collection, libraries and other council services any more than a middle income earner? No. So why should he pay more? Why should he be penalised for his success? It is bad economics to punish the wealth creators in this way.

2. The Miners Strike was caused because the miners couldn't accept the economic reality that their industry was a dinosaur doomed to extinction.

3. Unemployment reaching 3 million, not 6.5, (Source for me, the anti-tory BBC, from this mornings news). This was unfortunate but was caused by necessary short term restructuring that enabled Britain to move from an Industrial nation into a Service nation, and the world wide economic recession might have contributed don't you think?

The difference as I read the other day was that Maggie realised that in order to be a good PM it is necessary to be unpopular sometimes. But she still won three elections!

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You are creating the impression that John Major never happened.

Well, a person can dream? lol

For all his faults he had the nous to realise that actually talking to the IRA & Sinn Fein, rather than censoring them from the broadcast media, would lead to less people getting killed.

Granted, but he was never the most charismatic person and he has never been dubbed as the natural successor to Margaret Thatcher

Major was a weak willed idot who tried to undo all that the great woman did by returning to consensus politics.

Points used against Maggie by others:

1. Poll Tax
2. Miners Strike
3. 3m Unemployed

1. The Poll Tax was a fair tax. If you were unemployed or on low income then you could get benefits that meant you were paying hardly anything. As for the rest, why shouldn't you pay for what you use? Does a rich man use the street lights, bin collection, libraries and other council services any more than a middle income earner? No. So why should he pay more? Why should he be penalised for his success? It is bad economics to punish the wealth creators in this way.

2. The Miners Strike was caused because the miners couldn't accept the economic reality that their industry was a dinosaur doomed to extinction.

3. Unemployment reaching 3 million, not 6.5, (Source for me, the anti-tory BBC, from this mornings news). This was unfortunate but was caused by necessary short term restructuring that enabled Britain to move from an Industrial nation into a Service nation, and the world wide economic recession might have contributed don't you think?

The difference as I read the other day was that Maggie realised that in order to be a good PM it is necessary to be unpopular sometimes. But she still won three elections!

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In response:

1. Actually aren't we all 'wealth creators'? It was completely unfair that a low-income earner should have paid the same amount, or more, than someone who lived in a mansion... especially when richer people do often use public services more than the rest of us mere mortals. However, whatever the argument about fairness, it was plain that the poll tax, in addition to other taxes under the Tories, was too much to bear for many people (whilst it would just have been pocket change to the rich). The fact that hundreds of thousands of people turned out to oppose it makes that clear.

2. Not true- the miners had long known that the rate of domestic coal production present between the end of WW2 and the early 1980s could not continue. Very few of those who ended up working down the mines actually grew up with that as their ambition- it was just a fact of life, it was all there was. What Thatcher did was to cut down production altogether and order the closure of mines without any consideration at all of what those thousands would do once they were made redundant. Many men were suddenly out of work all at once, and consigned to the shame of the dole queue, living off basic state benefits instead of working for a living which was what they really wanted to do. The dole was not too good for them, they were too good for the dole. With so many people surving on a meagre income, the 'cancer' spread and many of the service industries surrounding the mining towns fell as well- the butchers, the bakers, and irony of ironies, the greengrocers all found themselves having to shut up shop because they weren't as much as breaking even anymore. With this, property prices collapsed and crime naturally increased, whilst those in council housing found that- surprise surprise!- their taxes were going up. If Thatcher had done anything to make the transition smoother, she would have been forgiven, but instead she decided to kick the mineworkers in the teeth time and again, and turned the situation into a battleground in which she was determined to turn out the winner... whilst hundreds of thousands lost their livelihoods and dignity in the process. Many of those communities have still not recovered.

3. Unemployment is not a natural or a necessary process of economic regeneration. Every worker is adaptable- it's part of human nature, after all, and people will do nasty, dirty jobs if it means they have a livelihood and feel they are earning the money that puts the food on the family table, not having to spend all day waiting in a queue for it behind the rest of the unemployed, and the scum who couldn't be bothered to work if there were two jobs going for every person. That adaptability was evident in the early 1980s as many British workers went abroad to find work, and the educational sector flourished. But the government could have done more- instead it was just concerned with looking after its own and telling us all that we could be just like them if we were prepared to work hard enough without actually doing anything to provide us with the jobs to do just that.

Besides, by the end it was clear that the woman was losing her mind. Having no compassion for the people who you are supposed to serve- whether they actually voted for you or not- takes a lot out of any leader in a democracy. Having said that, I doubt the Labour Party of 1979 would have done a better job had it been allowed to continue in office. It seems that after Thatcher, Major and Blair only this is true- a leader who ignores consensus politics and concentrates on their own 'vision' will be hated, whilst a leader who promotes consensus politics and abhors the authoritarian nature of personality politics will be forgotten. And still we never learn....

dp

She was a truely evil ruler.

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Evil... :roll:

Another manmade concept used to justify hate and war

:shock: This is on the front page, with quite a few views.

Quite good for something me and a friend did to waste time before a lecture.

She was truely a couragous and principaled leader whom implemented bold market reforms which the nation needed. May God bless her and may he also save the queen.

She was truely a couragous and principaled leader whom implemented bold market reforms which the nation needed. May God bless her and may he also save the queen.

needed like a hole in the head.

She was truely a couragous and principaled leader whom implemented bold market reforms which the nation needed. May God bless her and may he also save the queen.

You say couragous I say bloody minded
You say principled I say ruthlessly pragmatic with no compassion for people and only cared about profit.


"But our Queen lives in a giant house with barbed wire all around and armed guards within every foot! That's one f***ing saved Queen. No, no, it's not 'God Save the Queen,' it should be 'God Attack the Queen'! 'God attack the Queen/Send crazy dogs after her/who bite her bum...'" - Eddie Izzard.

Of course she cared about people! Thats why she wanted to give choice back to the people. She wanted to de-centralise power and move it back to the people, letting them buy their council houses, de-nationalising industries to make them compete in a free economy makes them more effecient and more customer focussed. Free Enterprise. Let the people show what they can do and support them in their efforts to stand on their own two feet.

But when it comes to letting people take responsibility for themselves all the socialists start whinging!

"What about Mr Smith who hasn't worked since he left school, what about his benefits being cut to reduce taxes? That Evil woman just doesn't care!"

Well what about hardworking Jeem, who has worked since he left school, why should he have to subsidise that work-shy lazy parasite Mr Smith? Why should a large chunk of my money be grabbed as taxes to pay for single mothers who deliberately get pregnant to get a "free" council house? Why should my tax money be spent by people who know how to work the system to their advantage? To buy their fags, booze and drugs!

Why don't you let people be free? Why must you enslave them in your nanny state? Don't you think they would like to be able to stand on their own two feet and feel proud that the money they are spending was worked for and not just doled out by so-called socialists?

The true evil is when people like you, with good intentions, trap them with your socialist dogma.

The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions.

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Thatcher was great!

The unions were a bunch of socialist idiots and deserved a kicking.

The greatest woman ever?

how about;

the Virgin Mary?
Joan of Arc?
Cleopatra?


I mean, think what you're saying. I'll grant you that MT was a strong leader (though I didn't agree with her politics), but not the greatest ever. I would even put Golda Mayer above MT, because she had a much tougher job.

The greatest woman ever?

how about;

the Virgin Mary?
Joan of Arc?
Cleopatra?


I mean, think what you're saying. I'll grant you that MT was a strong leader (though I didn't agree with her politics), but not the greatest ever. I would even put Golda Mayer above MT, because she had a much tougher job.

This was a joke to commemorate the day she came to office.


To Jeem, I'm no socialist. I have nothing against people taking responsibility, and I dislike the idea of a nanny state.

Why don't you let people be free?

Does your definition of letting people be free include banning elected members of the UK parliament from speaking on the broadcast media, so that their own voices are replaced by sound-alikes speaking their words?

Roger Waters said it nicely...in reference to the Falklands...

"Oh Maggie....what have we done?"

Who gives a damn about Roger Waters...

Why don't you let people be free?

Does your definition of letting people be free include banning elected members of the UK parliament from speaking on the broadcast media, so that their own voices are replaced by sound-alikes speaking their words?
In reference to the dubbing of sound for Sein Fein and other terrorists in the eighties that was a mistake. I'll admit it and I think the Tory party would as well.

I personally think that Gerry Adams is the biggest bonus to the Unionists they could have, he appears untrustworthy, hard to understand and quite obviously a bit touched in the head. Dubbing him with a normal sounding actors voice makes his terrorist propaganda seem more believable. A big mistake.

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When I read the title not exactly who I thought it would be about. As said previously I thought it might be like Joan of Arc or someone heroic.

Good Ole Maggie...
Deadlier with a hand-bag than Bruce Lee.

Trade unions? I say make soap from their fat arses :twisted:

She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

How do you know Letila supports Pol-Potism?

She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

How do you know Letila supports Pol-Potism?

I don't think he would. I was being sarcastic.

She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

How do you know Letila supports Pol-Potism?

I don't think he would. I was being sarcastic.

Dammit, the only one who keeps in the spirit of the thread I take seriously.

Although I never supported her, we cannot ignore her greatest ever achievment....... sending the British Forces to take back the Falkland Islands form the Argentines.

RULE BRITTANIA!!

She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

How do you know Letila supports Pol-Potism?

Vitania is pointing out the simple fact that Pol Pot was evil because he was a psychopathic murderer so how can you use the same adjective to describe Maggie.

Stalin was evil, Hitler was evil, Idi Amin was evil.

You may disagree with her policies but you can't honestly describe her as evil. Just as I cant describe Tony Blair as evil, even though I suspect he may be the anti-christ! :lol:

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She was a truely evil ruler.

And Pol Pot was an angel, wasn't he?

How do you know Letila supports Pol-Potism?

Vitania is pointing out the simple fact that Pol Pot was evil because he was a psychopathic murderer so how can you use the same adjective to describe Maggie.

Stalin was evil, Hitler was evil, Idi Amin was evil.

You may disagree with her policies but you can't honestly describe her as evil. Just as I cant describe Tony Blair as evil, even though I suspect he may be the anti-christ! :lol:

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I never did describe her as evil.

Typical, we wait centuries for an elected woman to (effectively) lead the country and what happens?

Bloody hell.

Britain needs another female PM to wipe out the memory of that vampire.

BOO! >:(

....though not everything she did was bad. Privatisation was in many cases a good thing. Except for the railways.

I don't agree with you over privatisation. Except on the railways! Does anyone still believe that privatising the railways was a good thing?

Privatising the railways was a very bad idea. The major government did this. Privatisation works in situations where there is choice for the consumer and competition. I have to use South West trains and I cannot punish them for the many errors they have committed. I can change electricity or gas suppliers though...

She was a truely evil ruler.

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"But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality."
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

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She was great prime minister and a fine role model for women everywhere

NO, this is the greatest woman who ever lived:

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Privatisation of the railways? When have they ever been private property? The government has consistently bailed them out every time they have asked, and for whatever amount they have asked. This isn’t how private businesses operate.

It is the government’s unrelenting interventionism that forces the monopoly that we have to endure. It is the total lack of responsibility that follows such interventionism that leads to horrific disasters.

I never did describe her as evil.

I had a long detailed response to you yesterday but when I tried to submit it the bloody computer took ages to tell me it couldn't get through!
Aaarrghhh!

Basically though I was referring to the previous poster and not you.

I give up on this thread. I can only seem to post between 0800 and 1100 GMT. Other times I only rarely get messages through.

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She made a number of reforms to the economy of the country that needed to be made.
She didn't have to be such a bitch about it though.

Maggie Thatcher was the Iron lady and the greatest Pm since Winston Churchill. she was not afraid to take on the unions and the argies, she was steadfast and level headed and since phoney Tony got in all hes managed to do right is bring in the minimum wage, but all hes doing is undoing everything about Britain as a sole island and taking us into Europe, wich in my opinion will effectively make us obselete as a people, i mean were not even allowed to learn about the turning points of the British Empire because we have to be more multi cultural ( not that im wholey against it ) but we should be allowed to know what makes us who we are.