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I've noticed a lot of people saying things like:

"Oh, I worked on the Sabbath, so I'm not perfect in those stupid Christian eyes and I MUST be going to Hell, what are there like 3 people in Heaven or something?"

Clearly they only like to read that part of the Bible, but guess what, now there's a cure:

Are you suffering from the weight of Sin? Are you gonna go to Hell when you die?
Well why not try ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS?

Yes, it's right there in the Bible, if you're sorry, send one prayer now, to

God
Cloud 9
The Universe

and you will be absolved of sin! It's really that easy!

:roll:

Hmm, sounds like a cop out to me.. too easy, nah, not buying it..lol

It's true. All you has to do is tell God you messed up and you're sorry and want forgiveness and don't wanna go to Hell.

But if they are not repentent then they will make thier situation worse surely? As they are lying, saying sorry, when in fact they are not.

But if they are not repentent then they will make thier situation worse surely? As they are lying, saying sorry, when in fact they are not.

Yep, which is why you have to be genuine in your penance.

But if they are not repentent then they will make thier situation worse surely? As they are lying, saying sorry, when in fact they are not.

Well, you DO actually have to be sorry you messed up. :P

Anyone who prays for forgiveness is obviously thinking of their own interests at heart and the almighty will see straight through it.

But then, why would I pray to myself in the first place?

Hahaha, add that one to the black book :)

But if they are not repentent then they will make thier situation worse surely? As they are lying, saying sorry, when in fact they are not.

Yep, which is why you have to be genuine in your penance.I'm pretty sure an all loving God just needs the words to let his kiddies in on a technicality.

But if they are not repentent then they will make thier situation worse surely? As they are lying, saying sorry, when in fact they are not.

Yep, which is why you have to be genuine in your penance.

"But, O, what form of prayer
Can serve my turn? 'Forgive me my foul murder'?
That cannot be; since I am still possess'd
Of those effects for which I did the murder,
My crown, mine own ambition and my queen.
May one be pardon'd and retain the offence?
...
My words fly up, my thoughts remain below:
Words without thoughts never to heaven go."
-- King Claudius, _Hamlet_

cool, so obviously the same applies to Seph's favorite sin, HOMOSEXUALITY!!!!

so after i have lived a nice, full life of sin, then i'll (very sincerely) ask for forgiveness and i will be just as well off in the afterlife as anybody could be! i like this idea, it means i can do anything i like during life and then repent at the last minute...and all those idiots who lived their life according to rules are just wasting their time!

seriously, Seph, this is the lamest and weakest idea that religion has ever come up with. gimme a break.

If you can't find the "real heart" to apologise and ask for forgiveness, PRAY FOR IT! TELL GOD YOU WANT TO FEEL GUILTY AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUR SINS. This works when you know you have sinned but not feel guilt for it yet.

...sigh.

I wish my imaginary friend was ruler of the universe too. :roll:

...sigh.

I wish my imaginary friend was ruler of the universe too. :roll:

If he or she is not, you can always apply for that status in the Galactic Permit Office. It is alot of paperwork though.

I've noticed a lot of people saying things like:

"Oh, I worked on the Sabbath, so I'm not perfect in those stupid Christian eyes and I MUST be going to Hell, what are there like 3 people in Heaven or something?"

Clearly they only like to read that part of the Bible, but guess what, now there's a cure:

Are you suffering from the weight of Sin? Are you gonna go to Hell when you die?
Well why not try ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS?

Yes, it's right there in the Bible, if you're sorry, send one prayer now, to

God
Cloud 9
The Universe

and you will be absolved of sin! It's really that easy!

:roll:
Martin Luther would disagree. He would nail something to your door and say god wants you to DO things, not to sit around and pray for forgiveness. :wink:

*bump*

I've noticed a lot of people saying things like:

"Oh, I worked on the Sabbath, so I'm not perfect in those stupid Christian eyes and I MUST be going to Hell, what are there like 3 people in Heaven or something?"

Clearly they only like to read that part of the Bible, but guess what, now there's a cure:

Are you suffering from the weight of Sin? Are you gonna go to Hell when you die?
Well why not try ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS?

Yes, it's right there in the Bible, if you're sorry, send one prayer now, to

God
Cloud 9
The Universe

and you will be absolved of sin! It's really that easy!

:roll:
Martin Luther would disagree. He would nail something to your door and say god wants you to DO things, not to sit around and pray for forgiveness. :wink:

Oh? Was Sola Fide a mistake then?

What happens if god doesen't forgive you 'cos you messed up so much?You go to hell, right?
I don't believe in god. :roll:

I've noticed a lot of people saying things like:

"Oh, I worked on the Sabbath, so I'm not perfect in those stupid Christian eyes and I MUST be going to Hell, what are there like 3 people in Heaven or something?"

Clearly they only like to read that part of the Bible, but guess what, now there's a cure:

Are you suffering from the weight of Sin? Are you gonna go to Hell when you die?
Well why not try ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS?

Yes, it's right there in the Bible, if you're sorry, send one prayer now, to

God
Cloud 9
The Universe

and you will be absolved of sin! It's really that easy!

:roll:
Martin Luther would disagree. He would nail something to your door and say god wants you to DO things, not to sit around and pray for forgiveness. :wink:

Oh? Was Sola Fide a mistake then?
I wouldn't call it a mistake, faith is a good thing to have, but faith has to be justified in the right things. Faith in a corrupt system is corrupt faith.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, faith is a good thing to have, but faith has to be justified in the right things.

Such as?


Faith in a corrupt system is corrupt faith.

Really? I would consider the world a corrupt system. Does this mean that those who are in this world and have faith have a corrupt faith?

I now have a truly bizarre image of the ghost of Martin Luther running round the afterlife nailing absurd things to random people's doors.

It's a good point though, isn't it? If you pray for forgiveness, then you are obviously seeking absolution- people don't just launch off random prayers on the spur of the moment. How far is fear of retribution accounted as genuine repentance?

I presume "Oh damn, I've just killed someone. Oh well, quick prayer and I'll be fine" wouldn't be acceptable... but what about:

"Oh no! I've just killed someone. I'll go to hell! Please forgive me!!!" Both are, essentially, selfish- but in the one case you have the penance of the fear of hell, and the genuine desire to seek grace in order to escape it, whereas in the other you're second-guessing God and treating him like a gullible grandparent. Is that the difference?

(Agnostic.)

As a response to Bottle's message:
The situation you describe is technically possible, but not likely. Feeling TRULY sorry for something, and repenting of it, requires a person to wish that they had never done that particular action.
If you can live a life full of sexual sin, then turn it around in the last thirty seconds, you are clearly a better man than I. Sin has a sort of an inertia to it: Once you sin, you want to sin more, and the process just repeats.
The good news is that living for the Lord has an inertia of its own, too. Once you take that first step, the next ones becomes easier and easier.
Before I came to God, it was very hard for me to repent... The sin in me wanted more sin, and I was blinded by the desire. Don't get me wrong, I still sin, and I still need to repent, but it's a LOT easier for me than it was when I first started. Learn to submit yourself to God, and everything else will follow.
Really, the situation you describe is like walking for your entire life towards the south pole, then trying to make it back to the north one in one, giant leap right before you die... It's possible, but it's going to be a TON easier if you just take short, solid steps towards the north pole your entire life.
In short, while it's technically possible to change your tune at the last moment, it's insanely hard, and horribly unlikely.
If you want to respond to this message, please email me, my address is below. (I don't know how to find this forum again.. *grin*)

If you'd like to find God, I'd love to help.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Stewart
Dirkson@frogstar.com

#You gotta have Faith!#
:wink:

I wouldn't call it a mistake, faith is a good thing to have, but faith has to be justified in the right things.

Such as?


Faith in a corrupt system is corrupt faith.

Really? I would consider the world a corrupt system. Does this mean that those who are in this world and have faith have a corrupt faith?
I'd just say you have to know who your friends are.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, faith is a good thing to have, but faith has to be justified in the right things.

Such as?


Faith in a corrupt system is corrupt faith.

Really? I would consider the world a corrupt system. Does this mean that those who are in this world and have faith have a corrupt faith?
I'd just say you have to know who your friends are.

Oh well. I tried. Nice chatting with you TAJ.

As a quick sidebar directed to EweyTimeLand, no sin is too great for God to forgive. His blood can cover every evil thing we do, no matter how horrible, if we'd only ask for it. Email me sometime, I'd love to hear from you.
-Jeffrey Stewart
-Dirkson@frogstar.com

As a response to Bottle's message:
The situation you describe is technically possible, but not likely. Feeling TRULY sorry for something, and repenting of it, requires a person to wish that they had never done that particular action.
If you can live a life full of sexual sin, then turn it around in the last thirty seconds, you are clearly a better man than I. Sin has a sort of an inertia to it: Once you sin, you want to sin more, and the process just repeats.
The good news is that living for the Lord has an inertia of its own, too. Once you take that first step, the next ones becomes easier and easier.
Before I came to God, it was very hard for me to repent... The sin in me wanted more sin, and I was blinded by the desire. Don't get me wrong, I still sin, and I still need to repent, but it's a LOT easier for me than it was when I first started. Learn to submit yourself to God, and everything else will follow.
Really, the situation you describe is like walking for your entire life towards the south pole, then trying to make it back to the north one in one, giant leap right before you die... It's possible, but it's going to be a TON easier if you just take short, solid steps towards the north pole your entire life.
In short, while it's technically possible to change your tune at the last moment, it's insanely hard, and horribly unlikely.
If you want to respond to this message, please email me, my address is below. (I don't know how to find this forum again.. *grin*)

If you'd like to find God, I'd love to help.

Sincerely,
Jeffrey Stewart
Dirkson@frogstar.com

meh, it's nice that you want to live your life in subjugation, but i think you're a bit off base if you say that living that way is easier than living however you please and then repenting at the last second. i personally don't believe in sin, God, or the afterlife, and i think that being saved means learning to be a good and whole person without supersitious bribes like Heaven. if you'd like to begin working toward a complete and healthy life the feel free to drop me a telegram or visit my site at zombiedeathkoala.blogspot.com.

if you'd like to begin working toward a complete and healthy life the feel free to drop me a telegram or visit my site at zombiedeathkoala.blogspot.com.

Heh, great links, Bottle. I'll have to check out the rest the site later.