NationStates Jolt Archive

Also known as Dungeons and Dragons, this game was spawned by Hell itself, and teaches innocent children to summon demons.
At least, that's what some claim. (including our dear friend mr Chick)

Now call me a pineapple sandwich, but when I look at D&D, I see a bunch of people pretending to be elves and dwarves going into a dungeon to whack some orcs. No satanism whatsoever.

So what am I missing? What horrible truth is hidden between the pages of the Game Masters Guide? What am I just not seeing?

I see 3 possibilities:

A: These people refuse to even look at the books, and simply claim D&D is evil because... um... well... God told them to! (God: Who? Me?)
B: These people took one horrible out-of-context quote from one book which probably isn't even an official product and used that to prove D&D is evil. (nevermind the fact that most of the books are about paladins smiting evil monsters)
C: These people are able to see something I can not. Where I see nothing but an innocent game, they see the horrible truth!

What do you think?

i think its a useless RPG, is what i think.

They do not know what Satanism really is.

The bible gives more information on satanisim than all of the books combind

The bible gives more information on satanisim than all of the books combind

Ignorance. The Bible gives information on the Christian Satan, not the Satanic Satan. Do some research on the other side before you act like you know something.

I'm sure if Satan was writing RPGs, he could come up with a better system than D&D - it's pants. Nobody is going to lure innocents into the clutches of satan worship with crap like THAC0 and career classes.

i think its a useless RPG, is what i think.

It's not useless, per se. :wink: Just not useful. But then again, what games are?

I could never get into it because I heard it involves math.

D&D is no more satanic than any other Game, But to many christians, anything that takes time away from christianity is by definition, Satanic. S good circular arguement.

Jim.

I think it's because christian fundamentalists have difficulty separating fantasy from reality, and assume everyone else does, too.

Therefore, you aren't playing the role of a character who worships some good of doom, you're actually worshipping it yourself.

Also, they have such a narrow mindset, that they can't comprehend why anyone would want to play a character who isn't a rabid fundamentalist christian.

I wonder if the universe would implode if someone released a christian role-playing game...

I'm sure if Satan was writing RPGs, he could come up with a better system than D&D - it's pants. Nobody is going to lure innocents into the clutches of satan worship with crap like THAC0 and career classes.

See? More reason why Steve Jackson is just Satan in disguise! Even their names are similar! They both start with S, and include not only two vowels but the letter T!

Anywho, RPG-bashing has (thankfully) settled down since its height in the 1980s. Of course, there are the occasional misinformed rabble protesting a gaming convention, but so far there's been no widespread damage.

I think arguments against RPGs have been pretty well countered. Fending off Chickites (http://www.chick.com/) has become something of a sport and art in places.

I know this one guy who designed a game that used D&D rules. He designed it top to bottom in a couple of weeks. It was really sad.

Sounds like Landoverbaptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1099/pokemon.html).
:lol:

This is the only satanic stuff that goes on at a game of D&D, I invite you all to sit in on an actual gaming session (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/90046)

Sounds like Landoverbaptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1099/pokemon.html).
:lol:

Or Landover Baptist's creepy evil twin, these people (http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html).

What about Magic: The Gathering? Is that Satan's game as well?

What about Magic: The Gathering? Is that Satan's game as well?

It involves things that aren't directly related to Christianity and praising God, and involves *gasp* -magic-, so yes! </BlatantSarcasm>

I wonder if the universe would implode if someone released a christian role-playing game...

The kids have been there and done that (several times, in fact)

For example: Dragonraid review (http://www.jonathantweet.com/jotgamedragonrai.html)

"This is the fantasy Christian RPG (1984) where thinly disguised Christians beat heathens into submission to haul them back home, where the heathens convert. Opposing the Christians are monsters, thinly disguised sinners, such as alcoholics and people who believe in evolution. These creatures are not to be beaten into submission. Rather, they are to be killed without compunction, as they are irrevocably beyond God's mercy. In DragonRaid, I'd be a "selfo," a misguided, slay-worthy creature that tries to do good without accepting Christ. The game was a joyful indulgence in fantasy violence committed against fictional people with recognizable, real-world counterparts. It was about killing me."

Counter example: Official Dragonraid site (http://www.dragonraid.net/index.php?topic=info)

"DragonRaid is a professionally produced Boxed Set that is a complete discipleship game/program that involves its players in a creative learning simulation of Biblical priciples. Complete with high quality printed manuals and materials, DragonRaid is perfect for breathing new life into your walk with Christ. God has used DragonRaid to bring many to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and to disciple young and old into courageous Christians!

Here is further information about other christian RPGs:
http://www.christiangaming.com/NewsAndArticles/XNewsChristianPaperPenRPGs.html

(I'll just note that I am neither a Christian, nor a gamer...)

I wonder if the universe would implode if someone released a christian role-playing game...

The kids have been there and done that (several times, in fact)

For example: Dragonraid (http://www.jonathantweet.com/jotgamedragonrai.html)

<snip for length>

Here is further information about other christian RPGs:
http://www.christiangaming.com/NewsAndArticles/XNewsChristianPaperPenRPGs.html

(I'll just note that I am neither a Christian, nor a gamer...)

Speaking as a gamer, Dragonraid is probably one of the worse games on the market. There have been some good Christian-based roleplaying game settings, but any roleplaying game trying to be entirely Christian doesn't tend to do so well. I think it's the black-and-white look at things, for one, myself.
(At least in D&D you have Chaos and Law along with Good and Evil.)

Not one of the worse, the worst. It's terrible. I hardly think Christianity wants the image that that game portrays. You go and "convert" heathens, which more or less means going and killing, maiming, or otherwise incapacitating non-Christians.

As a profession of my geekness, I bought the new D&D addendum, the Book of Exalted Deeds. It's alot of variant rules dealing with goodness. You can be a priest or a holy warrior and a lot else. There are rules dealing with "redeeming" evil, which more or less is converting. I think it deals alot better with the idea of Christianity within an RPG than Dragonraid.

As a profession of my geekness, I bought the new D&D addendum, the Book of Exalted Deeds. It's alot of variant rules dealing with goodness. You can be a priest or a holy warrior and a lot else. There are rules dealing with "redeeming" evil, which more or less is converting. I think it deals alot better with the idea of Christianity within an RPG than Dragonraid.

For one, I don't think Dragonraid had anything other than good or evil. No neutrality, no chaos, no law... come on, variety is fun!

Also, it should be noted for noteriety's sake that one of the major writers for Wizards of the Coast, James Wyatt, is an ordained Christian minister.

Speaking as a gamer, Dragonraid is probably one of the worse games on the market. There have been some good Christian-based roleplaying game settings, but any roleplaying game trying to be entirely Christian doesn't tend to do so well. I think it's the black-and-white look at things, for one, myself.
(At least in D&D you have Chaos and Law along with Good and Evil.)

Not one of the worse, the worst. It's terrible. I hardly think Christianity wants the image that that game portrays. You go and "convert" heathens, which more or less means going and killing, maiming, or otherwise incapacitating non-Christians.


Having read the Dragonraid site (with horror), it should be pointed out that they make this claim that the killing of non-Christians is merely allegorical - said non-Christians are in fact demons (and presumably have no souls):

In DragonRaid the LightRaiders always fight against dragons, which are allegorical representations of demons. The TwiceBorn also fight against Dark Creatures-- wayward beings who, like the demons, do not get a second chance. Dark Creatures personify various evils; for example, trolls spread an unrighteous "power enchantment" and like to push people around to get their way. As a result of dealing with the power- hungry trolls, DragonRaid players come to realize some of the many ways in which a hunger for power can cause us to sin in our thoughts and behavior. Even little children can decide that they would never want to act like the ugly trolls.

Unlike the TwiceBorn, who wage continual war against the evil dragons, the Once Born on EdenAgain are dragon slaves--i.e., slaves to sin. But the Once Born are not to be killed, no matter how evil their behavior. Instead, the LightRaiders attempt to rescue the Once Born by telling them of the Great Rescue, which is the salvation purchased for them by the OverLord of Many Names. The Once Born who are thus rescued then join the ranks of the TwiceBorn, and may someday become LightRaiders themselves.

Still, the people behind this seem to be the worst kind of Christians.*

*No slur whatsoever intended on other Christians.

As a profession of my geekness, I bought the new D&D addendum, the Book of Exalted Deeds. It's alot of variant rules dealing with goodness. You can be a priest or a holy warrior and a lot else. There are rules dealing with "redeeming" evil, which more or less is converting. I think it deals alot better with the idea of Christianity within an RPG than Dragonraid.

For one, I don't think Dragonraid had anything other than good or evil. No neutrality, no chaos, no law... come on, variety is fun!

Also, it should be noted for noteriety's sake that one of the major writers for Wizards of the Coast, James Wyatt, is an ordained Christian minister.

Yeah, he's the main author of the Book of Exalted Deeds.

No neutrality, no chaos, no law... come on, variety is fun!


"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

:o oh no i have no soul!!! :twisted: