NationStates Jolt Archive


Government

03-05-2004, 01:25
Every new form of government is just an improvement on an earlier one, all trying to reach the ideal. We started with anarchy, right? We were animals, and then we were early humans, and eventually we evolved into reasoning thinkers, and at that point anarchy became more relevant. We didn't like being killed or stolen from, so we fought against one another to end it - but this just produced mob violence, or at least that's what it would be called today. That wasn't fair either, and so we needed rules against that too, and eventually there became so many rules that we needed someone to enforce them and decide which were best and most relevant. In some places that led to a monarchy; in others, it led to democracy. Eventually the notion of equality began to surface as best, and that led to many governments moving toward democracy. But once democracy is established on a large scale, it begins to divide by nature. When currency is rallied as basically the only valid form of trade, those who can't find enough of it will suffer. Communism, then, is the next step - but there are problems with this ideology as well. If everything is provided by the government, then we have no way of obtaining other things that might match our individual interests and tastes. It also makes the government immensely powerful, and that unravels the underlying notion of equality.

In our modern technological world, I don't know what the best solution would be. If we still lived in small, agrarian communities, we could simply let each community make its own rules, and anyone could break off if they didn't like it, and we'd eventually come to a balance in a peaceful anarchy of a sort - people of the same values would come together, fulfilling "birds of a feather flock together." But in our global economy, global politics, global community where over 99.999% of the "community" comprises people we've never even heard of, I don't know if an ideal government is possible anymore.
The Angry Junkies
03-05-2004, 01:32
The permutations of government get very complex as our technology expands. Nuclear weapons had an enourmous impact in the outcome of WWII and the way diplomacy is handled now. You raise an interesting question, I think the closest to ideal government was the Greeks. They had open debates, and no televisions or computers to brainwash the populice. If their government was messing up, they'd see their crops dying or their backyards being invaded. These days the truth is so shrouded from the populice our real workings of government are a mystery. It's interesting to think about, I dont have an answer.

TAJ
Letila
03-05-2004, 02:16
This is why I advocate anarchism.

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Free Soviets
03-05-2004, 04:33
i'd be very wary of putting changes in government in terms of progress.
Our Earth
03-05-2004, 04:56
Government won't consider itself perfected until it has created a rule or rules and "perfect order." Unfortunately this is an epistemological impossibility, so government is in its essense a failed experiment. Perfection cannot be achieved through a system of rules at laws so an alternative must be sought for humanity to reach its true potential.
Our Earth
05-05-2004, 15:22
Doesn't anyone have anything else to say?
Ecopoeia
05-05-2004, 16:02
I've read an interesting idea that each prevailing governmental type is intself a clash of past and future ideologies. So, for example: capitalism is the conflict between feudalism and democracy. Democracy is the clash between capitalism and some form of government we have not yet encountered; one that (hopefully) is an improvement. Socialism is an alternative to capitalism that is nonetheless a clash between feudalism and democracy.

I've not articulated this at all well, sorry!