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I am writing a final paper for a class and could use a little help. The topic is the emergence of Christianity and several aspects of its impact. The assigned readings for class have been useful for most of the paper, but I am lacking actual biblical passages from the Old Testament that speak of the coming of a messiah. If anyone could give me a few passages to look up it would be a great help. Thanks in advance ^_^

Step 1: Get extension of Judaism with no new doctrine.
Step 2: Throw in a power-hungry person who used to persecute them but then joined them and changed the doctrine.
Step 3: Get adopted by the Roman Empire and get turned into Paganism.
Step 4: Become a corrupt and oppressive entity that stifles Civilization for a thousand years.
Step 5: Break into a million little pieces.
Step 6: Annoy the hell out of the Jews and everyone else by trying to convert them.

There's the evolution of Christianity for you in a nutshell.

If I were to teach this person bullshit, I'd post what Athamasha(sp) did.


I'd study Eastern Christianity more than Western Christianity. You'd possibly get a better mark, Sir.

You might like to check out this website in your search.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

This might also help:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm

Check out:

Genesis 49:10

Numbers 24:17

Deuteronemy 18:18-19

1st Chronicles 17:12-13

Psalms 2 (although this is more of mankind's reaction to the comming of the messiah)

Daniel 9:25-26

That should give you somewhere to start.

Joe, thank. You are the only person who even TRIED so far.

People, I need BIBLE PASSAGES. I'm not asking, or caring, for your feeling on any religion whatsoever. I just need some bible passages so I can write a paper.

EDIT: Berkylvania, thank you! Exactly the kind of thing I needed. *goes to look them up*

Joe, thank. You are the only person who even TRIED so far.

People, I need BIBLE PASSAGES. I'm not asking, or caring, for your feeling on any religion whatsoever. I just need some bible passages so I can write a paper.

*ahem*

Joe, thank. You are the only person who even TRIED so far.

People, I need BIBLE PASSAGES. I'm not asking, or caring, for your feeling on any religion whatsoever. I just need some bible passages so I can write a paper.

*ahem*

Sorry. Our posts are 1 minute apart. I edited it to thank you ^_^

Joe, thank. You are the only person who even TRIED so far.

People, I need BIBLE PASSAGES. I'm not asking, or caring, for your feeling on any religion whatsoever. I just need some bible passages so I can write a paper.

*ahem*

Sorry. Our posts are 1 minute apart. I edited it to thank you ^_^

:D

I would not even dive into this sort of blasphemy. We have more sources and eye witness accounts of Jesus Christ. The Apostles for instance, St.Paul, Mary Magdelene, etc.

Come now, would these individuals write fairytale? Would they lie to the people? Historical proof is there, Pontius Pilate, Tiberius census, many Jews, Scrolls from the scribes at the time, Josephus, etc.

We must see what is True and what Myth. What is True and what is a Lie.

I would not even dive into this sort of blasphemy. We have more sources and eye witness accounts of Jesus Christ. The Apostles for instance, St.Paul, Mary Magdelene, etc.

Come now, would these individuals write fairytale? Would they lie to the people? Historical proof is there, Pontius Pilate, Tiberius census, many Jews, Scrolls from the scribes at the time, Josephus, etc.

We must see what is True and what Myth. What is True and what is a Lie.

Hi. Yeah. Um. He's writing a paper and just wanted to find where messianic prohesies were mentioned in the Old Testament. So, basically, you just called the Old Testament blasphemous, which is an interesting take on the whole thing.

Isaiah 7:14 is the scripture that deals with a virgin giving birth to Immanuel. That might help some.

Isaiah 7:14 is the scripture that deals with a virgin giving birth to Immanuel. That might help some.

Doh! How could I forget that one?

I am writing a final paper for a class and could use a little help. The topic is the emergence of Christianity and several aspects of its impact. The assigned readings for class have been useful for most of the paper, but I am lacking actual biblical passages from the Old Testament that speak of the coming of a messiah. If anyone could give me a few passages to look up it would be a great help. Thanks in advance ^_^

Mithraism
Cult of Pythagoras
Judaism

The mythologies behind Jesus took a great deal of ideas from the cult of Pythagoras, including "love thy neighbor" "ressurected" "son of a virgin" "son of a god" "walk on water" etc.

Numerous other mythologies have ressurected dieties [Osiris and Tammuz], though they aren't as closely linked as pythagoras.

Basically I'd look into the church's perversion of the facts, and try and clear things up as best you can hope.

Check out:

Genesis 49:10

Numbers 24:17

Deuteronemy 18:18-19

1st Chronicles 17:12-13

Psalms 2 (although this is more of mankind's reaction to the comming of the messiah)

Daniel 9:25-26

That should give you somewhere to start.

OMG U R LIBERAL U CANOT KNOW NE TING ABOUT TEH BIBEL!!!!111shiftone!

See how silly it sounds, Republicans?

Anyway, on topic, there have been a number of sources put together to detail the origin and history of the Christian church. Along with the information Berk pointed out, you might want to consider mentioning how Christianity has been heavily politicized through the ages, and how its cousins regard the Christ (Namely that some Jews regard him as a prophet or Rabbi, and Islam regards him as a holy man, as well). It's really remarkable how similar the religions are, even now centuries - or millenia - after they diverged.

Edit: In a related vein, it might be worth noting how heavily Judaism and Christianity have drawn from older religions, such as the Sumerian-Akkadian mythology. The myths of the creation of man and Noah's Flood are almost verbatim plagiarization from Sumerian myths (specifically the Epic of Gilgamesh).

OMG U R LIBERAL U CANOT KNOW NE TING ABOUT TEH BIBEL!!!!111shiftone!

See how silly it sounds, Republicans?

Hehe. Yeah, I'm a liberal, meeting-going Quaker. I bend the rules.

:lol:

OMG U R LIBERAL U CANOT KNOW NE TING ABOUT TEH BIBEL!!!!111shiftone!

See how silly it sounds, Republicans?
I couldn't agree more. Hey--people might not know this, but there's a significant connection between liberals and religion. It's just not between liberals and the "if you don't believe like us you're burning in hell" kind of religion. It's more of the "Jesus was a righteous guy who preached peace and love" kind of Christianity.

OMG U R LIBERAL U CANOT KNOW NE TING ABOUT TEH BIBEL!!!!111shiftone!

See how silly it sounds, Republicans?
I couldn't agree more. Hey--people might not know this, but there's a significant connection between liberals and religion. It's just not between liberals and the "if you don't believe like us you're burning in hell" kind of religion. It's more of the "Jesus was a righteous guy who preached peace and love" kind of Christianity.

Bingo!

I am writing a final paper for a class and could use a little help. The topic is the emergence of Christianity and several aspects of its impact. The assigned readings for class have been useful for most of the paper, but I am lacking actual biblical passages from the Old Testament that speak of the coming of a messiah. If anyone could give me a few passages to look up it would be a great help. Thanks in advance ^_^

I just finished Confirmation into the Christain faith, and we learned some major points! ...

1) Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have the same God (for Abraham created Judaism, his son with his servant woman created Islam, and his real son with his wife created Christianity-Of course they didn't exactly create them, but had blood-lines that created them)

2) I don't have my bible on me, or near me for that matter, so I can't give you any passages.

3) Christianity became a religion, of course, after Christ died and part of the Jewish population recognized him as the savior, and the other part didn't.

4) The 4 Gosples (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) weren't written for 50+years after Jesus died, and were written by people who didn't meet Jesus, but had met the disciples.

Sorry not to be able to provide any passages though.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[2] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[3] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

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John 4:25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."
John 4:26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

Here we see that He states that He is the Messiah, the one called Christ.

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John 5: 36 - 44

36 "I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You diligently study[3] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

41 "I do not accept praise from men, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God[4]

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John 6: 35 - 40

35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

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John 8: 13 - 21

13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."
14 Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."
19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"
20" You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.
21 Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come."

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John is a book of the New Testament. Contopon was specifically looking for messianic mentions in the Old Testament.

try

Isaiah 42: 1-4 and 52:13 - 54:12

these may be helpful.

Well I believe the New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. If he wants Old Testament - Messianic prophecies he should read all of Psalms. :)

I'm a poor ol'Orthodox Christian. Forgive me for posting NT quotes.

Well I believe the New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. If he wants Old Testament - Messianic prophecies he should read all of Psalms. :)

True, although not all the Psalms are probably going to be relevant to what I believe he is trying to do, which is establish the roots of Christianity in scripture, specifically the messianic belief.

I'd post which psalms would be relevant but I'm lazy.

John 4:25 The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."
John 4:26 Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

Here we see that He states that He is the Messiah, the one called Christ.


So, um, just because someone says something makes it true? I mean, we don't have much evidence except for his word and the second hand gossip of some other people.

But anyway, I'm sorry that I can't help you, I've only read the bible up to about Exodus... And my head still hurts too much to read it any further. Sorry!

look up the belifs of the essenes

they were a jewish sect who hung around the dead sea, jesus' ideas were influenced by them and he may have lived with them for a while

there most famous for writing the dead sea scrolls