NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4977666

The number of U.S. traffic deaths rose nearly 1 percent in 2003 and reached a 13-year high at 43,220, the government reported on Wednesday.

He might spend the rest of his career doing this if he wants to call attention to a real problem in this nation.

We must pull our cars off the highways! Too many people are dying!

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4977666

The number of U.S. traffic deaths rose nearly 1 percent in 2003 and reached a 13-year high at 43,220, the government reported on Wednesday.

He might spend the rest of his career doing this if he wants to call attention to a real problem in this nation.

And your point is .......

I'm still trying to get used to the idea of good torturers and bad torturers, now you want to confuse me with good deaths and bad deaths? Deaths that can be spoken of and those that cannot?

Get a grip.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4977666

The number of U.S. traffic deaths rose nearly 1 percent in 2003 and reached a 13-year high at 43,220, the government reported on Wednesday.

He might spend the rest of his career doing this if he wants to call attention to a real problem in this nation.

so you support the military, but you just don't want to see our valiant dead publicly remembered because it might lower morale on the homefront. give people a little credit, if we can't speak the names of the fallen heros because america is too weak willed to face the realities of armed struggle this war and all future wars are already lost. we created the vietnam wall to list all those who perished in that struggle, yet i doubt the majority of those who visit it are antiamerican peaceniks, no they are patriots come to honor those who sacrificed for freedom, let us continue to honor their successors in the eternal struggle.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4977666

The number of U.S. traffic deaths rose nearly 1 percent in 2003 and reached a 13-year high at 43,220, the government reported on Wednesday.

He might spend the rest of his career doing this if he wants to call attention to a real problem in this nation.

so you support the military, but you just don't want to see our valiant dead publicly remembered because it might lower morale on the homefront. give people a little credit, if we can't speak the names of the fallen heros because america is too weak willed to face the realities of armed struggle this war and all future wars are already lost. we created the vietnam wall to list all those who perished in that struggle, yet i doubt the majority of those who visit it are antiamerican peaceniks, no they are patriots come to honor those who sacrificed for freedom, let us continue to honor their successors in the eternal struggle.Don't you get it? The military dead are only honored if right-wing chickenhawks do the honoring. That's basically what he's argued elsewhere.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4977666

The number of U.S. traffic deaths rose nearly 1 percent in 2003 and reached a 13-year high at 43,220, the government reported on Wednesday.

He might spend the rest of his career doing this if he wants to call attention to a real problem in this nation.

so you support the military, but you just don't want to see our valiant dead publicly remembered because it might lower morale on the homefront. give people a little credit, if we can't speak the names of the fallen heros because america is too weak willed to face the realities of armed struggle this war and all future wars are already lost. we created the vietnam wall to list all those who perished in that struggle, yet i doubt the majority of those who visit it are antiamerican peaceniks, no they are patriots come to honor those who sacrificed for freedom, let us continue to honor their successors in the eternal struggle.Don't you get it? The military dead are only honored if right-wing chickenhawks do the honoring. That's basically what he's argued elsewhere. please, for the love of god, dont start saying chickenhawks; ugh

During Vietnam, every local news cast ended with a reading of the areas Vietnam dead...

I guess the CHICKEN-HAWKS don't want Americans to honor the brave-soldiers they sent to die anymore!

Whats that bill? You say you want to Prohibit SUV's from Public roads?

On a serious note, it should be said that Jim Lehrer has been doing what Koppel did tonight for months. He reads the names and the News Hour shows the faces of every soldier as his or her name is released by the DOD. It's a poignant moment in every broadcast, and completely respectful of the dead.

Yes I dont see how this is Disrespectful.

Well personally I dont want to be reminded that one of my family members was killed in Iraq, at least not in that manner. It was tough the first time, and I dont want my family to go through it again.

I guess the CHICKEN-HAWKS don't want Americans to honor the brave-soldiers they sent to die anymore!

So when's Ted gonna read the names of the soldiers who have died in Afghanistan?

Actually, this is not a new idea.. Life magazine did the exact same thing basically during the 'Nam war.. that's where he got the idea.. and as John Mcain said.. or to paraphrase.. if you have a problem with these men being honored cause it might hurt your political agenda.. you're not a patriot.. John McCain is a real war hero.. ex-POW.. want to argue his logic? The Vietnam memorial is just names too.. should that be taken down? What is wrong with people!!!

A memorial an a news broadcast are two separate things. I would fully support a memorial with the name engraved upon it. But in my humble opinion, it is not the medias place to bring pain and suffering of certain families, like my own, to the forefront. If they build a memorial that remebers them that would be a fitting rembrance of the fallen. It would give the families their own timetable to deal with their losses.

And for another point, I dont give a damn about the politics of this situation. This is, or should be bipartisan.

A memorial an a news broadcast are two separate things. I would fully support a memorial with the name engraved upon it. But in my humble opinion, it is not the medias place to bring pain and suffering of certain families, like my own, to the forefront. If they build a memorial that remebers them that would be a fitting rembrance of the fallen. It would give the families their own timetable to deal with their losses.

Then if it's not the media's job in a free society, who's job is it? *Puzzled*

Its the medias job to cover events as they happen and report on the significance of said events. It does no good for them to reel off the names of those people who were killed in the line of duty especially if and when they were killed recently. I wholeheartedly believe in a free media, however, there shoud be some decency in that same media that would have the compassion to leave some thinggs unsaid.

Tell me, if you had a very close relative that was killed in the war just recently, would you want to have them all over the news after you had to deal with their loss once before?

Actually, this is not a new idea.. Life magazine did the exact same thing basically during the 'Nam war.. that's where he got the idea.. and as John Mcain said.. or to paraphrase.. if you have a problem with these men being honored cause it might hurt your political agenda.. you're not a patriot.. John McCain is a real war hero.. ex-POW.. want to argue his logic? The Vietnam memorial is just names too.. should that be taken down? What is wrong with people!!!

Two words: election year.

Extreme partisans (on either side) are going to see most anything (from either side) as nothing more than a viscous partisan attack. Hell, even legitimate attacks are getting skewed, as are honest questions. This is going to be a rather heated election, so everyone's hyper sensitive. And it's only May.

However, if Koppel is wanting to read the names of those who have died, why doesn't he read the names for Afghanistan? Don't they count too? Only reading the names of the Iraqi dead makes it seem like he's trying to politicize things. Right or wrong, a good chunk of voters are going to hear this as attempting to use the names and images of dead soldiers as a cudgel to beat up Bush with.

I'm not saying that's my view, I'm just saying that its a view.

Actually, this is not a new idea.. Life magazine did the exact same thing basically during the 'Nam war.. that's where he got the idea.. and as John Mcain said.. or to paraphrase.. if you have a problem with these men being honored cause it might hurt your political agenda.. you're not a patriot.. John McCain is a real war hero.. ex-POW.. want to argue his logic? The Vietnam memorial is just names too.. should that be taken down? What is wrong with people!!!

Two words: election year.

Extreme partisans (on either side) are going to see most anything (from either side) as nothing more than a viscous partisan attack. Hell, even legitimate attacks are getting skewed, as are honest questions. This is going to be a rather heated election, so everyone's hyper sensitive. And it's only May.

However, if Koppel is wanting to read the names of those who have died, why doesn't he read the names for Afghanistan? Don't they count too? Only reading the names of the Iraqi dead makes it seem like he's trying to politicize things. Right or wrong, a good chunk of voters are going to hear this as attempting to use the names and images of dead soldiers as a cudgel to beat up Bush with.

I'm not saying that's my view, I'm just saying that its a view.

Umm Hack, John MaCain is a Republican.. :/

Well personally I dont want to be reminded that one of my family members was killed in Iraq, at least not in that manner. It was tough the first time, and I dont want my family to go through it again.

So, don't watch! And for someone who "doesn't want to be reminded that one of your family members was killed in Iraq" you sure do post about it an awful lot.



Tell me, if you had a very close relative that was killed in the war just recently, would you want to have them all over the news after you had to deal with their loss once before?

Yes... I think America needs to take a long-cold-hard look at those faces before they decide if they want to keep sending more young Americans into Iraq. The public shouldn't push those soldiers under a rug of ignorance and pretend they don't exist: that's dispicable!

I can promise you, that if you were in my shoes and lost a family member you woulb be just as upset about it, instead of telling me, that I am wrong to not want any more pain for my family. And they're not pushing them under a rug as you say. If youre so worried about it then why dont you petition your local congressman to have them build a memorial for them so you can stand in front of it for hours on end so you can admire your brilliance. I put in my two cents. Now I'm outa here.

I can promise you, that if you were in my shoes and lost a family member you woulb be just as upset about it

That's a promise you'll never be able to substantiate ~ I'll guarantee you that much right now!

By hiding the coffins and names of the war dead, Republican chickenhawks are spitting in the faces of soldiers who made the Ultimate Sacrifice in giving their lives to enrich Bushs corrupt friends who are looting Iraq