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Is there something about liberty and freedom that you hate on a fundemental level?

One could ask you the same question, Stableness, since the current Bush Administration is the biggest threat to liberty and freedom for the average American that this country has ever faced from any Administration (this does not include foreign aggressors.)

Fact is...now the government can monitor your email, phone calls, private conversations with your lawyer, your bank transactions...all without a warrant, and without your knowledge.

Fact is...now the government can declare anyone it likes as an "enemy combatant" and simply disappear them, not allowing them to speak with counsel, or family. Witness what has been done with Hamdi and Padilla, both of whom ARE American citizens. Walking human garbage they may be, if they are guilty of what the government says they are, BUT...they are STILL citizens right now, and deserve their Constitution right to due process, which is being denied them.

What's to stop the government from abusing this power to go after dissenters (like me) Democrats (like me) GLBT (or insert your "undesireable" minority group here) (again, like me.) Nothing is in place to stop them, and if I am taken, who will say "boo" to a cuckoo bird over it? And don't say it can't happen! Because the government has yet to define what activities can make you an "enemy combatant."

Already, dissenters like me are accused of "giving aid and comfort to our enemies" because we are pointing things like this out! How long before the government deems we are an obstacle to their objectives, and they disappear US?

How long before WE start getting four o clock in the morning knocks on the door, and we simply vanish?

Call me paranoid if you want, but the Bush Administration has now put the apparatus in place to make it happen...and has created the kind of culture in this country where it COULD happen, and no one will speak up. He has created and forstered an atmosphere of fear, hatred, and distrust. We are, every day, becoming more and more like the very terrorists we are fighting...and that means the terrorists have won.

I feel it to be my patriotic duty to point this out whenever, and wherever I can...AND IT IS BECAUSE I LOVE LIBERTY AND FREEDOM THAT I DO SO!! BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE MY "LIBERTY AND FREEDOM"...OR WHAT'S LEFT OF IT, ANYWAY!!

You come up with any American President who has been a greater threat to civil liberties, civil rights, human dignity, worker's rights, and the environment, and I take salt with my hat, okay?

By the way, how do YOU like paying 2 bucks a gallon for gas? I know I sure as hell don't! We need to get Bush the hell out of the White House...and the sooner November gets here, the sooner I can breathe a sigh of relief that the greatest domestic monster we have ever faced will finally be where he has put three million plus Americans...out of a job!! :evil:

Oh, and I almost forgot...now the Administration can also strip you of your citizenship at will, thus meaning they will no longer have to play by the rules! And they have yet to make clear policy and make public exactly what activities can put you in a position where your citizenship would be stripped from you. So, currently, the Administration can strip you of your citizenship at it's will, with no reason. That seems pretty much like a dictatorship to me. George Wanker Bush is this country's first Dictator. Heil, Bush! :roll:

I just wanted to highlight another Texan who agrees with me 100% on the Bush = fascism issue.

Im not a Texan..can I still vote?

That was a fair poll. :roll:

I know alot of Texans that like Bush :?

Im not a Texan..can I still vote?
only if you're honest!

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

good..I definately chose YES I hate Bush...as opposed to YES..I hate bush.

I'd dearly love to beat him senseless.

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

People in Austin HATE Bush! Only the Banks and Insurance Companies like him.

I'd dearly love to beat him senseless.

Something tells me that it wouldn't be too hard!

Im not a Texan..can I still vote?
only if you're honest!
But it's about Bush! I thought only brainless zombies could vote...because they would be "honest"...

not texan. but i hate bush.

I know alot of Texans that like Bush :?
It's because of all that DET in the water...

I'd dearly love to beat him senseless.

Something tells me that it wouldn't be too hard!

YAH, i'd barely even have to hit him......

I love a Texan, and we love Bush. :wink:

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

People in Austin HATE Bush! Only the Banks and Insurance Companies like him.

dang. im out of touch back home.

This is the most imbecilic poll ever.

not texan.
nobody's perfect :wink:

but i hate bush.
But you seem like an okay guy to me!

not texan.
nobody's perfect :wink:

but i hate bush.
But you seem like an okay guy to me!

not a guy.

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

People in Austin HATE Bush! Only the Banks and Insurance Companies like him.

Alot of people in Austin do not hate Bush, maybe the people you know in Austin hate him but the people I know like him.

I know alot of Texans that like Bush :?
It's because of all that DET in the water...


QUIET! just because people don't agree with doesn't mean there is something wrong with them!

Rather than launch Bush hate thread after Bush hate thread, consolidate your hate into one place please. I voted NO. I mean, what is so hateable about the guy? Sure, you may disagree with his policy, but it doesnt mean he is an evil Fascist dictator of doom that must be shot.

I am sure Republicans will be the same way with Kerry if he is elected. "He is an evil Fascist dictator that is poisoning the world and he must die tommorow. We hate him."

Do we truly hate the other guy in terms of actual hate?

Seems like its Mainly the Mexicans immigrants, as well as a few select cities that don't support Bush. (Taken from 2000 election map). :wink:

that was 2000. hes gotten dumber since then.

not texan.
nobody's perfect :wink:

but i hate bush.
But you seem like an okay guy to me!

not a guy.

looking even better :wink:

what is so hateable about the guy? Sure, you may disagree with his policy, but it doesnt mean he is an evil Fascist dictator of doom that must be shot.

He has obliterated the Bill of Rights with the Homeland Security Dept. and the Patriot Act(s) and the Victory Act.
He has created the authority to decide who is and is not a US citizen.
He mislead the US into going to war.
Oh, and how can we forget how he became president: the undemocratic-coup in Florida.

I am sure Republicans will be the same way with Kerry if he is elected. "He is an evil Fascist dictator that is poisoning the world and he must die tommorow. We hate him."

If Kerry is elected and abuses his powers, then those opinions will be accurate.

Do we truly hate the other guy in terms of actual hate?

I hate him more than I hate Saddam.

This poll is still idiotic.

Oh, and how can we forget how he became president: the undemocratic-coup in Florida.
Actually, I do forget that. The only evidence I've seen of it is from a left-wing journalist's editorial, a democratic-dominated panel, and of course the usual MichealMoore/Noam Chomsky websites.

Texan, in Dallas; Hate Bush.

I will not believe that Texans in general hate Bush until that state goes blue this election year.

Something I very much doubt will happen.

Though he does make Texans look like morons.

One can dream :?

I will not believe that Texans in general hate Bush until that state goes blue this election year.


There's a saying in Texas, "The road to HELL is paved with Republicans"




I'd like to add that this is my 1984th post... reading the book "1984" is crucial to understanding the current state of affairs.

There is no rational reason to hate the man. You may dislike what he is doing, but unless you're totally retarded (which none of you are) or totally prejudicial (which none of you will claim) you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.

Its very easy to hate a man that you disagree with and don't know. It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

*edit* I'd also like to say that making the broad assumption that every Texan hates Bush is unfair and unrealistic. There are Texans out there that don't, and to say that "Texans hate Bush" is extremely short-sided and incorrect.

He makes it very easy to hate him for his actions.

There is no rational reason to hate the man. you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.
It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

Do you hate Adolf Hitler?

There is no rational reason to hate the man. you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.
It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

Do you hate Adolf Hitler?

Here we go with the "Hitler" thing again, huh?

I don't like what Hitler did, much like the rest of the world. However, he was a very successful ruler. Let me make myself perfectly clear: I AM NOT A FACIST OR CONDONE THE KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

That being said, Hitler, if he had not done the mass executions of the Jewish people, would be considered one of the greatest rulers of all time. He took Germany from a war-torn troublesome place to one that could have taken over the world in better circumstances. To do that, anyone must admit, takes a certain ability and talent. He was a natural leader, period.

What Hitler did or did not do is not pertaining to the subject at hand. What you have tried to do is steer the conversation towards radical extremes; Hitler is, by and large, still considered on the right end of the political spectrum. What you just did would be like me comparing John Kerry to Marx or Lennon or Stalin. Its unfair, biased, and in the end gets us nowhere but away from the topic at hand.

He makes it very easy to hate him for his actions.

That may be true to you, but think about it another way...

Do you really want to go around hating people? Is it your life mission to hate people to make yourself feel better?

What good does it do in "hating him" because of his actions? Do you actually know him?

In the end the answers to these questions are your own. They are based on how you want to live your life.

All I ask is that you think about examining what is really going on behind the scenes, not just this "Kerry vs Bush" BS or "Bush is a *&^%* President" BS that the media feeds you to keep you watching.

Think about your reasons. With that, I'm off to bed! :-)

There is no rational reason to hate the man. you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.
It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

Do you hate Adolf Hitler?



What Hitler did or did not do is not pertaining to the subject at hand.

You made a general statement and I wanted to see if you applied it to even the most extreme cases...

You either hate Hitler or you don't: it's a simple question.

There is no rational reason to hate the man. you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.
It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

Do you hate Adolf Hitler?

An interesting Question...even more interesting than this topic to me. Mostly because once asked that question I realized I 'hated' GW but not Hitler right now. I asked myself why.

When I thought about it, I realized that Hitler, now dead, cannot harm anyone alive. I despise his actions, his methods, his outlook on life, I hate everything that he did and tried to do. But I cannot bring myself to hate the man now, all I can summon up is pity and a sense of deep loss. I lost family in WW2, and those who did come back did not come back whole.

The current president though, I hate what he is trying to do, and hate what he has done. I see where these trends of pure hate and parinoia are leading and I want to stop them. I despise the actions, methods, the outlook on life of GW, and I hate that he has not relented from his horrible course, I hate the fact because he has made the US suffer a greater tragedy than 9/11 ever could have been. The loss of compassion, the hatred of our neighbors, the oppression of those who work so hard for so little. This is the corruption of our nation's soul, a profound loss that weakens us as a nation.

Every fact I see arrayed against him by those on the left I doublecheck as quickly as possible, for I wish desperately that he would not prove to be so unworthy of his title. I have found many charges to be false, many to be grossly exaggerated...but not nearly enough. Too many times I have found to my horror that the stories of corruption, deceit, and malice are true. I hate the crimes he commited and continues to commit. I do not really hate him though as a person, as I do not really hate Hitler as a person.

I do agree it is hard and rewarding to respect someone and still disagree, but frankly one must find something laudable in a person first. And to do that one must know them personally, or the work they have done for the world. I do not know GW and I have seen what he has done for the world. I find that I cannot respect someone who has done what he has done.

To add my two p's worth.

I am not Ameriacan, not texan. But I hate bush, my advice to the states is. Don't let the Ape back in.

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

People in Austin HATE Bush! Only the Banks and Insurance Companies like him.

Being as I live in Austin, I can vouch for that. Austin HATES Bush! Travis County, in 2000, voted nearly 70% for Gore.

BUT, the areas surrounding Austin, especially Williamson County, to the north (you know, if you're from around here...Williamson County, right? The miniature police state?) They LOVE Bush up there...but then, they are a bunch of stuck-up white-bread suburban assholes up there, anyway.

God, I hate them types!

South Austin Bubba and proud of it here!

Here in South Austin, where the REAL Austin still lives and breathes...(and I mean old South Austin, SoCo area, etc...not Far South Austin - more white-bread assholes out there) we freaking HATE Bush. and we are the poor-white-trash, and proud of it, too.

No pretention, no putting on airs, no "keeping up with the Joneses"...none of that suburban shit here. The only keeping up with the neighbors we engage in here is who can have the more eclectic art sculpture made of junk in their front yard! Ask any South Austin Bubba...he/she'll tell you! We don't go for no bullshit here. What ya sees is what ya gets...we're down-to-earth real people, and we don't beat around the bush or mince words. We got something to say, we come out and say it! Tact does not run in our blood, and we'd rather hit ya with the 2 by 4 of truth than sugar-coat it for ya.

And that's the way it is in South Austin. Can't speak as much for Dallas and Houston, but it's telling that BOTH of those cities have Democrat mayors!

good..I definately chose YES I hate Bush...as opposed to YES..I hate bush.

I'd dearly love to beat him senseless.

Ain't worth it. I'd rather feed him pretzels... :twisted:

people in austin and dallas and houston do. but thast only because of the business districts and stuff. the rest of us think hes not fit to call Texas home.

People in Austin HATE Bush! Only the Banks and Insurance Companies like him.

Alot of people in Austin do not hate Bush, maybe the people you know in Austin hate him but the people I know like him.

Yeah, and you're probably one of those North Austin white-bread assholes that have just about ruined my city that I was talking about earlier! why don't you Cedar Park assholes do us a favor and take everything north of UT, and just secede into Williamson county? We don't fricking want you as part of our city, anyway!

Good thing the Colorado River stands between you guys and my beloved South Austin! That way, if you white-bread assholes try sneaking in we can hear your asses splash!

I dont care what you say about Bush, because thats the freedom we all have. But you must also let those others who support Bush to have their say and their vote. I for one TEXAN do support Bush and there is nothing you can say or do that will make me turn my opinion about him. Thank God for the freedom of speech!

There is no rational reason to hate the man. You may dislike what he is doing, but unless you're totally retarded (which none of you are) or totally prejudicial (which none of you will claim) you must first get to know him as a person before you can truely hate him.

Its very easy to hate a man that you disagree with and don't know. It is much more difficult and rewarding to respect the man and disagree with his actions.

*edit* I'd also like to say that making the broad assumption that every Texan hates Bush is unfair and unrealistic. There are Texans out there that don't, and to say that "Texans hate Bush" is extremely short-sided and incorrect.

And just how do you suggest I "get to know him?" Show up at his door up there in Crawford, bearing my gift of pretzel rods? Shit!

I don't need to know him to know he's the biggest domestic threat to our way of life that has ever lived, and that's enough right there for me to hate him.

The current president though, I hate what he is trying to do, and hate what he has done. I see where these trends of pure hate and parinoia are leading and I want to stop them. I despise the actions, methods, the outlook on life of GW, and I hate that he has not relented from his horrible course, I hate the fact because he has made the US suffer a greater tragedy than 9/11 ever could have been. The loss of compassion, the hatred of our neighbors, the oppression of those who work so hard for so little. This is the corruption of our nation's soul, a profound loss that weakens us as a nation.

Every fact I see arrayed against him by those on the left I doublecheck as quickly as possible, for I wish desperately that he would not prove to be so unworthy of his title. I have found many charges to be false, many to be grossly exaggerated...but not nearly enough. Too many times I have found to my horror that the stories of corruption, deceit, and malice are true. I hate the crimes he commited and continues to commit. I do not really hate him though as a person, as I do not really hate Hitler as a person.

I do agree it is hard and rewarding to respect someone and still disagree, but frankly one must find something laudable in a person first. And to do that one must know them personally, or the work they have done for the world. I do not know GW and I have seen what he has done for the world. I find that I cannot respect someone who has done what he has done.

damn. That really hit me harder than I thought...




I'd just like to take a second to clairy something: If there are any people out there who still think this is a "liberal" versus "conservative" thing -- then you need to realize that Neo-Cons are not "conservative"

Neo-Cons are just playing up the word "conservative" to push Imperialism and Authoritarianism on America.

Bushy Bushy we hate you;
I am english, we hate you to,
Bushy Bushy, please resign;
Just go away, we'll be fine

We didn't need the war in Iraq,
Why the hell did you light that spark?
Dammit, Bush, you did us in!
How the hell did you win?

That stupid election, was it fixed?
Does killing people give you kicks?
Bushy Bushy, please resign;
Just go away, we'll be fine.

The current president though, I hate what he is trying to do, and hate what he has done. I see where these trends of pure hate and parinoia are leading and I want to stop them. I despise the actions, methods, the outlook on life of GW, and I hate that he has not relented from his horrible course, I hate the fact because he has made the US suffer a greater tragedy than 9/11 ever could have been. The loss of compassion, the hatred of our neighbors, the oppression of those who work so hard for so little. This is the corruption of our nation's soul, a profound loss that weakens us as a nation.

Every fact I see arrayed against him by those on the left I doublecheck as quickly as possible, for I wish desperately that he would not prove to be so unworthy of his title. I have found many charges to be false, many to be grossly exaggerated...but not nearly enough. Too many times I have found to my horror that the stories of corruption, deceit, and malice are true. I hate the crimes he commited and continues to commit. I do not really hate him though as a person, as I do not really hate Hitler as a person.

I do agree it is hard and rewarding to respect someone and still disagree, but frankly one must find something laudable in a person first. And to do that one must know them personally, or the work they have done for the world. I do not know GW and I have seen what he has done for the world. I find that I cannot respect someone who has done what he has done.

damn.

I'd just like to take a second to clairy something: If there are any people out there who still think this is a "liberal" versus "conservative" thing -- then you need to realize that Neo-Cons are not "conservative"

Neo-Cons are just playing up the word "conservative" to push Imperialism and Authoritarianism on America.

Exactly!
I am the classic blue-dog Democrat...a unique Texas creation. The typical blue-dog Democrat is a fiscal moderate, and social liberal. and that pretty much sums up my political outlook. The blue-dog Democrat is different from the better-known yellow dog Democrat.
The blue dog Democrat still wants to see government spend responsibly, and lower taxes...but NOT at the expense of CRITICAL government programs. We want the safety net in place, but we also want to stop the abusers of the system. And we want to cut the pork-barrel shit out of government spending...and have the government only spend money on things that promote the general welfare of the people.
And we, like yellow dog Democrats, tend towards being social liberals...the whole "live and let live" thing...

Most of South Austin could be accurately described as being blue-dog Democrats.

We are Joe Sixpack and Jane Secretary here in South Austin. We are the poor white trash, the Bubbas, we are the down to Earth REAL PEOPLE...not the suburban white-bread assholes...and not the redneck asshole types either.

We're more or less your basic blue-collar (or pink-collar) working grunts who just wanna work, live, be left alone in our own homes, and have a good time once in a while...and sometimes we just wanna let our hair down and get a bit funky...and we ain't afraid to do it, either. Unlike the white-bread assholes who are so anal you couldn't pull a needle outta their asses with a goddam tow truck!

Nixon is the kind of guy that perfectly symbolizes the kind of people I'm talking about here. Let's face it, that guy looked like he hadn't taken a shit in a month!

I for one TEXAN do support Bush and there is nothing you can say or do that will make me turn my opinion about him. Thank God for the freedom of speech!

Well, you can keep thanking God for your freedoms that Bush is signing away with the Patriot Act(s), the Victory Act(s) and the Homeland Security Dept.

But even when all of you God given rights are taken away by Neo-Cons, I'm sure you'll still support W.

Haven't you noticed that this innocent little poll has just mutated into a full-blown debate over Texas' politics and North and South Austin?

Haven't you noticed that this innocent little poll has just mutated into a full-blown debate over Texas' politics and North and South Austin?

Seeing as how the thread is about Texas politics and seeing as how Austin is the capital of Texas: well, it does stand to reason.

To have the most powerful man in the world to have an IQ of a 9 year old child is a worrying prospect on a global scale.

The UK hate Bush

ooo...hehe, im british so i didn't know austin was the capital of texas...ah well, can't blame me for making a mistake...or can you? meep. anywho, i just can't get over the fact that bush is running for election again.

I'm from long island and some people here are very anti bush, but some consider criticizing the president like burning the flag. People want liberty to do what they want, and when opinions dissent people tend to be so sedentary in their political views. Bush and Cheney are run by rich old men who own giant companys (duh) but the real people who should be in charge are the nations youth. They're the ones who are going to end up in a nuclear holocost because of someone who cant pronounce the word. Rich Cheney has like 3 years to live and hes clutching his oil reserves like its his lifeblood while he makes his lesbian daughter protest against lesbians. These people are souless greedy shells with no morality left.
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Isn't long island that place with all the nuclear reactors that shut down? wait, or was that 3-mile island...dammit, i saw it on viva la bam once...ah well, lets just summarise what everyone is saying:

Bush is bad
Bush is good
Bush is hated
Bush is loved
Bush is stupid
Bush is weak
Bush is clever
Bush isn't worth it

Damn, thats a lot of opinion

Isn't long island that place with all the nuclear reactors that shut down? wait, or was that 3-mile island...dammit, i saw it on viva la bam once...ah well, lets just summarise what everyone is saying:

Bush is bad
Bush is good
Bush is hated
Bush is loved
Bush is stupid
Bush is weak
Bush is clever
Bush isn't worth it

Damn, thats a lot of opinion

That's Three Mile Island, and it is located near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania...which is about 200 miles from Long Island, by the roads...maybe 150 miles as the bird flies.
I used to live in Pennsylvania.

BTW, regarding this becoming a thread about North versus South Austin...you need to understand that this is a long-running battle in austin. North Austinites all think the South is a bunch of "wetbacks" and "trailer-trash hippies" and that it is crime-ridden and filthy. Most of them wouldn't be caught dead here.
Meanwhile, those of us in south Austin, we think North Austinites re a bunch of suburban, stuck-up, snooty, white-bread assholes who have ruined our city. We have a slogan "Keep Austin Weird." We like our city weird. Unfortunately, now...only South Austin is still weird. And we want it to stay that way, too.

Basically, it's the whole class-warfare thing, and each side holds the other in contempt. And Austin is a VERY political town. Not just because it is the state capital, but just because it is literally part of the culture and lifeblood of the city.

this is one of the reasons why I see how divided and polarized we Americans are...there really is a VERY sharp contrast between North and South Austin. And a lot of the Far North folk have gone so far as to create new cities, just so they don't have to say they live in Austin. It is almost like they are ASHAMED of Austin, or something. so they have created Cedar Park, Pflugerville, Round Rock, Lakeway, and Jollyville. I say all them Cedar Park assholes and their ilk can take and secede from Travis County and into Williamson County, because we don't want them anyway...and, truth be known, they would probably rather be in Williamson themselves...because that place is a right-wing utopia, freaking miniature police state.

Me, I have very little tact and subtlety...and I freaking HATE people who are not REAL. You know...people who put on airs, who beat around the bush, mince words, and try to "keep up with the Joneses." White-bread assholes, in other words.

I'm the typical South Ausrin Bubba. We don't pretend to be anything we aren't...we don't put on airs, could care less about "keeping up with the Joneses" we don't think we're too good for other people, etc etc etc. And we...well, if we got something to say, we come out and SAY it. We'd rather hit ya upside the head with the two-by-four of truth. We don't go for sugar-coating it. Basically, what ya sees is what ya gets with a South Austin Bubba. We like it that way, too. We know who and what we're dealing with that way. We don't like those white-bread assholes to the North, because they smile in your face, and then stab you in the back at the first opportunity. If we're gonna stab you, figuratively speaking, of course...we're gonna come for your eyes, and you know DAMN WELL it's coming!

Anyway, there's my rant for this morning. North Austin sucks. And they love Bush. It's South Austin that hates Bush.

Oh yes...Bush. Coming from that little town in Texas called New Haven, Conneticut. :|