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Borg Or Jedi?

Grofra
30-04-2004, 02:50
Who would win in a battle, Borg from Star Trek or The Jedi from Star Wars me and my friends couldn't figure it out?
Elvandair
30-04-2004, 04:06
you are a loser.


(Yes, that was flaming, I know and I apologize)
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Demonic Furbies
30-04-2004, 04:08
are you one of those kids who waits all year for the star trex convention and shows up in full alien uniform?
SR-2091
30-04-2004, 04:12
Definitely the Jedi. No contest at all.
30-04-2004, 04:18
Definitly the Borg, they're so corporate, they have:
1.A clear chain of command.
2.A cooperative, go-getter team spirit.
3.An effective mission statement and slogan ("you will be assimilated" and "resistance is futile" respectivly).
4.Virtually endless numbers.
5.An incredibly vast fleet of nearly invincible giant motherships.
6.Outstanding morale.
7.Staying power.

All the jedi have going for them is their ability to move real fast and throw heavy objects.
Greater Valia
30-04-2004, 04:31
Definitly the Borg, they're so corporate, they have:
1.A clear chain of command.
2.A cooperative, go-getter team spirit.
3.An effective mission statement and slogan ("you will be assimilated" and "resistance is futile" respectivly).
4.Virtually endless numbers.
5.An incredibly vast fleet of nearly invincible giant motherships.
6.Outstanding morale.
7.Staying power.

All the jedi have going for them is their ability to move real fast and throw heavy objects. hah! i like it!
Grofra
30-04-2004, 17:45
hey elvandiar no im not me and my friends we're wondering cause i read an article in one of my gaming magazines about a mod for star trek armada that places star trek against star wars ok no go away
Spurland
30-04-2004, 17:52
Im going with the Borg..
Apocolyptic Home
30-04-2004, 17:52
i say borg cause well the borg they habe transwarp which if warp speed and hyperspace is even in speed then transwarp is about 50 times faster than hyperspave so they could out manuever the jedi easily
Greedy Pig
30-04-2004, 17:54
Borg. Their supirior technology would annihilate the Jedi's from a planet away. And Borgs shield would adapt to their light sabers.

And the Jedi's are using Lasers for Godsake. Borgs are using anti-matter beams, or disruptor beams. (Since it's green, and the Klingons beams are green, which are disruptors, So I safely assume Borgs might be using disruptors, but a more potent one).
Sliders
30-04-2004, 17:59
hey elvandiar no im not me and my friends we're wondering cause i read an article in one of my gaming magazines about a mod for star trek armada that places star trek against star wars ok no go away
I think you missed something...
You just said "I'm not [a loser]" and "in one of gaming magazines" in the same post
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty big geek myself- I mean, why else would I have opened this thread?- but you did prove Elvendair's point

As for the question, I do think the Borg would win for the same reasons everyone else has posted...But if I was to choose which one I'd prefer to be, I'd probably go Jedi. Even Jedi are more free to make their own choices than Borg. I mean, as a Jedi, you can always go dark side.
...I want to go play KOTOR right now...
Sliders
30-04-2004, 18:08
i say borg cause well the borg they habe transwarp which if warp speed and hyperspace is even in speed then transwarp is about 50 times faster than hyperspave so they could out manuever the jedi easily
You mean they could run away if they started to lose?
I have to admit, I'm not as "up" on my sci-fi as I'd like to be
How big is the Borg cube compared to the Death Star?
Free Pacific States
30-04-2004, 18:13
Hmm...the BORG would win, hands down, for a few reasons (some of which have been mentioned)
1. Strength and size. They could destroy a planet from quite aways away. Not to mention, once they do defeat a jedi, they simply assimilate him/her, and there's another person in their army.
2. Ability to adapt. After awhile, the lasers and lightsabers would just start bouncing off.

There's more, but need it be said? The BORG would easily win. Now, the real question is would the New Republic, Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulans survive against the combined Empire, BORG, and Dominion?

Oh, and as for which I'd rather be....Jedi. Otherwise, I simply wouldn't exist...de-borging is EXTREMELY hard.
Nimzonia
30-04-2004, 18:13
I'm supporting the Jedi in this.

Not that I can make any coherent argument one way or the other, I just can't stand Star Trek. It gives sci-fi a bad reputation.
Filamai
30-04-2004, 18:14
Definatly the Borg.

I mean, how many Jedi are there? there are countless trillions of Borg.

Not to mention, as soon as one of those Jedi suckers get assimilated, the Borg all become force sensitive, too.
Atlantian Outcasts
30-04-2004, 18:15
Borg.
30-04-2004, 18:20
An interesting concept. A bit like a dream I once had, but not quite. If a Jedi somehow managed to get aboard a Borg ship, the Jedi could single handedly take down the ship or even trick the Borg into attacking other Borg ships. But when it comes to technological capabilities and the vast number of Borg that exist, the Borg would eventually own the Jedi.
Bodies Without Organs
30-04-2004, 18:25
I'm supporting the Jedi in this.

Not that I can make any coherent argument one way or the other, I just can't stand Star Trek. It gives sci-fi a bad reputation.

And Star Wars doesn't?*


* Not an attempt to start a Trek v. Star Wars rant: I really don't like either, and find both of them to be somewhat embarassing. This is despite the fact that I love science-fiction.
Sliders
30-04-2004, 18:27
This is what my friend says, he's a big Star Trek fan, and a bigger Star Wars fan, and not that I agree with him, but these are the only good points for the Jedi so far:
1. Jedi are masters of self-control. They could supress the borg nanotechnology in their bodies.
2. The jedi could ensure that no borg gets close to them because they use physical attacks that the borg can't just adapt to.
3. Adopting Episode 1 mythology, the jedi are full of midichloreans which are like super micro-organisms. I imagine these could fight off borg nanotech with the force or something if the jedi ever was infected.
4. If Jean Luc Picard could disconnect from the borg... that's okay cause he's epic. If Jeri Ryan can do it, anybody can. F*** that. Jedi pwn.
Endorsements
30-04-2004, 18:28
oow god/allah/budha not again a ST vs SW debate :shock:



BTW: Borg :P
Atlantian Outcasts
30-04-2004, 18:29
Not to mention, as soon as one of those Jedi suckers get assimilated, the Borg all become force sensitive, too.

I sense the beginings of a cross-over movie :P
Vagari
30-04-2004, 18:31
I'm supporting the Jedi in this.

Not that I can make any coherent argument one way or the other, I just can't stand Star Trek. It gives sci-fi a bad reputation.

And Star Wars doesn't?

I think Star Wars does too, but just not to the same degree. I forgive it, for featuring more explosions, TIE fighters, and Darth Vader. On the other hand, Star Trek has no redeeming features. Having seen Attack of the clowns, though, I may change my mind at any point.

Most TV and film space-opera is really bad. Only Farscape was any good, but even that started to go a bit mouldy towards the end.
Stevid
30-04-2004, 18:33
If you look at it from a battle in Space point of view, the borg would kick ass, they'd win in seconds.

But hand to hand is different. Take Star Trek Eight (First Contact) or Q- Who? The Borg can adapt to phased energy, so lightsabers would work for a while but Jedi would also have the force on their side, the borg wouldn't get close enough to assimalate them. The only member of the borg that has the power to contradict the force is the Borg Queen herself.

So in space, the Borg win.
Assult, draw.
Raem
30-04-2004, 18:35
<geek>
What era of SW? Light or dark? Are Sith permitted?
If at the height of the Galactic Civil War, Borg.
If Sith are permitted, I'd go with them, hands down, against anything Star Trek can come up with except the Q.
Anything else would be close. It'd just be hard for the Borg to beat people who know what you're going to do before you do.
</geek>
Stevid
30-04-2004, 18:37
Only Farscape was any good, but even that started to go a bit mouldy towards the end.

No offense, but Fascape is the worst Sci-fi ever to hit TV, a disater to the planet which should never be shown again.
Akilliam
30-04-2004, 18:37
For one, this battle is illogical. You can't pit an entire race of creatures with there own production capacities against a small band of creatures. It's like pitting the Rock of the Marne against, say, a squad of Waffen SS. Two different wars, two different unit sizes, etc. etc. It's totally wrong.

So break it down.

If it's the entire Borg versus all the Jedi, then the Borg would win.

If it's a handful of Borg versus on Jedi, the Jedi would win.

If it was Anakin versus Sauron or Melkor, Anakin would slay them like the Hittites.
Vagari
30-04-2004, 18:38
Only Farscape was any good, but even that started to go a bit mouldy towards the end.

No offense, but Fascape is the worst Sci-fi ever to hit TV, a disater to the planet which should never be shown again.

I laugh at your ignorance.
30-04-2004, 18:39
Only Farscape was any good, but even that started to go a bit mouldy towards the end.

No offense, but Fascape is the worst Sci-fi ever to hit TV, a disater to the planet which should never be shown again.
Farscape I think started out good, then went sour real fast.
Vagari
30-04-2004, 18:50
Only Farscape was any good, but even that started to go a bit mouldy towards the end.

Actually, I retract that statement. Farscape isn't the only good sci-fi. Red Dwarf trumps all!

Note that I'm erasing series 8 from memory, but the earlier series, especially 2-6, were great.
Letila
30-04-2004, 19:19
Jedi easily. All they have to do is pull the cords that go into the borg's head.

Also, am I the only person who noticed the kinky themes in Star Trek: First Contact?

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Letila
30-04-2004, 19:20
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imported_Angelus
30-04-2004, 19:38
Red Dwarf trumps all.

That being said, I'm going to have to say the Borg. Of course, many of the arguements have been stated already, but I'd also like to point out that the Jedi would be COMPLETELY outnumbered.

During the hight of the Galactic Republic, how many Jedi/Sith were there? a couple of hundred would be a decent estimate, I'm assuming. Well, when JLP and the Enterprise crew matched up against the B0rg and JLP got assimilated, there were trillions of borg.

Now think of how badass that is. Trillions of tightly-knit borg drones vs a couple of hundred force-wielding forcewankers. I apologize, but I'm going to have to vote for the borg right there.

As for 7of9 being removed from the Collective... I fücking HATE what Voyager did to the borg. In TNG and in the book universe, the Borg were the end-all, beatdown, badass godcreatures that could destroy everything save the Qcontinuum. They were a malevolent force all unto their own, and it was purely because Locutus was given some individuality that Data was able to pull him back into productive human society.

Wolf 359(?). The entire Federation Fleet against ONE Borg Cube. One. They were being beat down so incredibly bad that there was nothing anyone could do to stop them. If Data had not been able to use JLP to do some serious sleepwanking, then earth would have been OVER.

So, there you have it. My opinions on Red Dwarf, Borg vs Jedi, and TNG Borg vs. Voyager Borg.

WE ARE THE BORG. LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS. YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS WILL BE ADDED TO OUR OWN. YOUR CULTURE WILL BE ADAPTED TO SERVICE US. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISISTANCE IS FUTILE.
Dave Moss
30-04-2004, 20:00
"I fücking HATE what Voyager did to the borg. In TNG and in the book universe, the Borg were the end-all, beatdown, badass godcreatures that could destroy everything save the Qcontinuum."

Indeed, the answer really depends on whether you mean the Borg as they would 'realistically' have been, i.e. devoid of emotion/individuality and possessing billions of drones in manpower, and the cream of the intellectual/physical ability of the universe's species; or the lumbering, dimwitted travesty that they became without explanation.
Elvandair
30-04-2004, 20:23
hey elvandiar no im not me and my friends we're wondering cause i read an article in one of my gaming magazines about a mod for star trek armada that places star trek against star wars ok no go away

I don't give Star Trek the light of day. I find it to be the lowest of the low of science fiction.

I admit to being a nerd (I like The Matrix and LOTR) but I just don't like Star Trek.

Therefore I call you a loser.
30-04-2004, 20:33
i say borg cause well the borg they habe transwarp which if warp speed and hyperspace is even in speed then transwarp is about 50 times faster than hyperspave so they could out manuever the jedi easily
You mean they could run away if they started to lose?
I have to admit, I'm not as "up" on my sci-fi as I'd like to be
How big is the Borg cube compared to the Death Star?

Everyone seems to be forgetting transporters, the Borg cube is a bit smaller than the Death Star, and the Death Star could probably destroy the first one it came across (but never again due to their adaptive technology), but, if the borg beamed over even a small party to the Death Star...well...game set match. This can apply to the Jedi too, if the Cube decided not to blast the jedi to smitherings it could just beam them to a containment center, or out into space.

Note: Borg personal sheilds would adapt to lightsabers, Borg are rather heavy and and imensly strong, a Jedi couldn't throw all that many before he tired and even if he did they'd just get up again, and last, I doubt a jedi could control a Borg's mind without overcoming the entire local collective. So even on the ground the Borg would eventually win
Grofra
30-04-2004, 23:51
i just thought of this cause i was just wondering whod win and it seems the borg shall win forever
01-05-2004, 00:12
Gosh, just think....a borg assimilates a Jedi = Jedi Borg 8)

As an aside, I utterly adore all Star Trek and have for many years...except Voyager :?
Madesonia
01-05-2004, 00:17
Jedi....

What are you people sick?!

The jedi would kick ass.
Sdaeriji
01-05-2004, 00:19
The Jedi got slaughtered by one Sith. How could they stand up to a race bent on galaxy wide domination numbering in the trillions?
Madesonia
01-05-2004, 00:20
Easily....

One word....


Yoda.
imported_Angelus
01-05-2004, 02:41
Bah. Yoda.

He wouldn't stand up against the Queen for a moment. So, his badass mind powers could beat down several hundred Borg drones, but he's still one against trillions.

While I believe that while working at optimum performance, he'd not get assimilated by the Borg, but ultimately he'd tire while there would still be thousands of drones around to beat him down.

Furthermore, the second set of movies have sucked ass, and they have completely redesigned the Force mythos. No longer is it based off of mental control alone, but some techwanking medichlorians or some bogus crap.

Regardless of that and Yoda's badass powers, it'd still be a futile struggle. And remember, Yoda went into hiding so Vader couldn't find him. He was scared of Vader, and I'd believe that Vader would have been able to beat yoda down in a heartbeat. As would Palpatine. As would Luke.

*shrug* If the Jedi were all that stood between me and the Borg? I'd put my faith in Mace or Luke, and Yoda and the others would come next.
imported_Angelus
01-05-2004, 02:42
Bah. Yoda.

He wouldn't stand up against the Queen for a moment. So, his badass mind powers could beat down several hundred Borg drones, but he's still one against trillions.

While I believe that while working at optimum performance, he'd not get assimilated by the Borg, but ultimately he'd tire while there would still be thousands of drones around to beat him down.

Furthermore, the second set of movies have sucked ass, and they have completely redesigned the Force mythos. No longer is it based off of mental control alone, but some techwanking medichlorians or some bogus crap.

Regardless of that and Yoda's badass powers, it'd still be a futile struggle. And remember, Yoda went into hiding so Vader couldn't find him. He was scared of Vader, and I'd believe that Vader would have been able to beat yoda down in a heartbeat. As would Palpatine. As would Luke.

*shrug* If the Jedi were all that stood between me and the Borg? I'd put my faith in Mace or Luke, and Yoda and the others would come next.