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In tradirional vampire lore, a cross is said to repel vampires. This leads me to the question: What if the vampire in question, was not Christian? What would you use then?

Jewish vampire a star of david?

Muslim vampire the Q'ran (Actually any version of the bible should work on any Judeo-Christian-islamic vampire)

Nazi vampire a swastica?

And so on.

And wouldn't we be in real deep sh1t if the vampire were an athiest?

Jim

Depends on which vampiric lore you follow. The most common, the one you speak of begins with Dracula. The crucifix effects his kind because the vampire was created when god banished this guy from heaven for not being very nice to him or something along this lines.

I'm kinda hazy... but I'm sure there is someone out there that knows the proper story. The point is that the vampire is the result of god condeming this guy. I'm not sure if lucifer had a hand in it as well. It's all based on the assumption that there is a god.

In tradirional vampire lore, a cross is said to repel vampires. This leads me to the question: What if the vampire in question, was not Christian? What would you use then?

Jewish vampire a star of david?

Muslim vampire the Q'ran (Actually any version of the bible should work on any Judeo-Christian-islamic vampire)

Nazi vampire a swastica?

And so on.

And wouldn't we be in real deep sh1t if the vampire were an athiest?

Jim

Then just hold up some money. ;)

That’s not quite how it works. Many demons are repelled by religious objects because we ourselves have a deeply seeded spiritual construct. If someone is trying to declare sanctuary behind their own religious symbolism, then most demons will honor that sanctuary. Often times they’ll be really pissed, but they’ll still walk away. However there are some of the more ruthless demons that will not honor the sanctuary.
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In tradirional vampire lore, a cross is said to repel vampires. This leads me to the question: What if the vampire in question, was not Christian? What would you use then?

Jewish vampire a star of david?

Muslim vampire the Q'ran (Actually any version of the bible should work on any Judeo-Christian-islamic vampire)

Nazi vampire a swastica?

And so on.

And wouldn't we be in real deep sh1t if the vampire were an athiest?

Jim

"Excuse me, before you bite my neck, could you tell me your religious affiliation?" :D

Vampires are lousy drinkers. The best defense is to be constantly viking-drunk. The moment they get close enough to smell the fumes you spread they'll realise that if they bite, they'll die. 8)

One old BBC sf drama featured modern day vampires where the important thing wasn't the vampires mortal religious affiliation but actually the strength of conviction that the holder of the 'holy object' possesed in what it represented.

This caused a bit of controversy at the time because as part of the plot a priest experiencing a 'crisis of faith' wasn't able to turn away the vamps with a crucifix, however an idealistic & dedicated Red Army officer was succesful using his hammer & sickle cap badge.

Quite neat way around the dilemma I thought ...
My own preference would be to weild a strictly non-denominational flamethrower :D

One old BBC sf drama featured modern day vampires where the important thing wasn't the vampires mortal religious affiliation but actually the strength of conviction that the holder of the 'holy object' possesed in what it represented.

This caused a bit of controversy at the time because as part of the plot a priest experiencing a 'crisis of faith' wasn't able to turn away the vamps with a crucifix, however an idealistic & dedicated Red Army officer was succesful using his hammer & sickle cap badge.

Quite neat way around the dilemma I thought ...
My own preference would be to weild a strictly non-denominational flamethrower :D
It’s called spirit magnification. Human beings do possess some spiritual powers like many demons do. However their ability to utilize such powers is rather limited. Often they need to focus it through on object, and they need to have a lot of faith in that object for it to work. Although what you are describing is a work of fiction, there is an element of truth in its underlying theme.
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As far as I know, vampires are hyper-sensitive to all holy items. but if that doesn't work, splash them with water. (I'm safe in England, then) 8)

As far as I know, vampires are hyper-sensitive to all holy items. but if that doesn't work, splash them with water. (I'm safe in England, then) 8)

well, this has to be the first time i've felt safe in Blackpool, it never stops raining here

Vampires are lousy drinkers. The best defense is to be constantly viking-drunk. The moment they get close enough to smell the fumes you spread they'll realise that if they bite, they'll die. 8)

No, that's no good because what they do is, they bite you and suck a bit of blood, get drunk and happy, then when they sober up they bite you again ... until you sober up when they kill you ...Same with drugs ...

the best thing to do is to get an eagle, rip the vampire's head off and feed it to the eagle. I'm surprised Buffy never thought of this. :roll:

i dont know about all this new fangle whatsmamahoosury yer all talkin about, but back in my day we jes wen up to a vampire an staked him one good in the heart

not like all you hippies with yer crusifix this and holy water that

bunch a no good.....

Chikyota:

I thought everyone here knew by now. :lol:

I am A Satanist.

Hail Satan!

Jim

As far as I know, vampires are hyper-sensitive to all holy items. but if that doesn't work, splash them with water. (I'm safe in England, then) 8)

Urm, I don't want to worry you or anything, but it is only Holy Water that affects vampires, or did you think that Dracula had an umbrella with him when he landed at Whitby?

One old BBC sf drama featured modern day vampires where the important thing wasn't the vampires mortal religious affiliation but actually the strength of conviction that the holder of the 'holy object' possesed in what it represented.

This caused a bit of controversy at the time because as part of the plot a priest experiencing a 'crisis of faith' wasn't able to turn away the vamps with a crucifix, however an idealistic & dedicated Red Army officer was succesful using his hammer & sickle cap badge.


Was this Doctor Who, or am I very much mistaken?

actually you just need to wear some pastel colors and play country music.

thats how you repel the vampyres in Los Angeles

MK Zygo is the one to listen to really though. I would pay close attention to that one. He can teach you many a thing when it comes to the true nature of our spiritual universe.

It’s called spirit magnification. Human beings do possess some spiritual powers like many demons do. However their ability to utilize such powers is rather limited. Often they need to focus it through on object, and they need to have a lot of faith in that object for it to work. Although what you are describing is a work of fiction, there is an element of truth in its underlying theme.

How do you know all this?

A sickle and hammer would be very effective against one type of vampire: the capitalist. :lol:

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ok, dracula was not actually thrown out of heaven or anything. he was in fact a real person. his name was Vladd Dracul the Prince of Romania. he lived around in the Dark Ages to middle ages around 700A.D. to 1000A.D.
he was the heir to the throne of Romania but the country was being invaded by Persia. some guys killed his father too so he became king. he eventually drove out Persia but they tried to come back a couple times. when his nation was in peace he was busy rooting out heretics with plots against him. to insure that everyone listened and obeyed he impaled thousands of people on wooden pikes. once a Persian Army tried to invade and he defeated them and impaled what was left of the army. One time while in battle he was knocked out and his comrades thought he was dead so they prepared to bury him a few days later. within a couple days before the burial he woke up and everyone thought he had risen from the dead. he eventually became real evil and did some very horrific things. the impaling got him the name Vladd the Impaler. some of the things he did was drink blood, have a large feast for the peasants in a large barn and while the people were all eating he left, locked them in and set it on fire to burn them all, and also he would gouge out chunks of flesh from prisoners, put salt in the woulds and let animals lick them. eventually his brother killed him and took the throne.
that is the true story of dracula

Grenade launchers are effective.

ok, dracula was not actually thrown out of heaven or anything. he was in fact a real person. his name was Vladd Dracul the Prince of Romania. he lived around in the Dark Ages to middle ages around 700A.D. to 1000A.D.
he was the heir to the throne of Romania but the country was being invaded by Persia. some guys killed his father too so he became king. he eventually drove out Persia but they tried to come back a couple times. when his nation was in peace he was busy rooting out heretics with plots against him. to insure that everyone listened and obeyed he impaled thousands of people on wooden pikes. once a Persian Army tried to invade and he defeated them and impaled what was left of the army. One time while in battle he was knocked out and his comrades thought he was dead so they prepared to bury him a few days later. within a couple days before the burial he woke up and everyone thought he had risen from the dead. he eventually became real evil and did some very horrific things. the impaling got him the name Vladd the Impaler. some of the things he did was drink blood, have a large feast for the peasants in a large barn and while the people were all eating he left, locked them in and set it on fire to burn them all, and also he would gouge out chunks of flesh from prisoners, put salt in the woulds and let animals lick them. eventually his brother killed him and took the throne.
that is the true story of dracula

actually it was the turks he was fighting

ok, dracula was not actually thrown out of heaven or anything. he was in fact a real person. his name was Vladd Dracul the Prince of Romania. he lived around in the Dark Ages to middle ages around 700A.D. to 1000A.D.
he was the heir to the throne of Romania but the country was being invaded by Persia. some guys killed his father too so he became king. he eventually drove out Persia but they tried to come back a couple times. when his nation was in peace he was busy rooting out heretics with plots against him. to insure that everyone listened and obeyed he impaled thousands of people on wooden pikes. once a Persian Army tried to invade and he defeated them and impaled what was left of the army. One time while in battle he was knocked out and his comrades thought he was dead so they prepared to bury him a few days later. within a couple days before the burial he woke up and everyone thought he had risen from the dead. he eventually became real evil and did some very horrific things. the impaling got him the name Vladd the Impaler. some of the things he did was drink blood, have a large feast for the peasants in a large barn and while the people were all eating he left, locked them in and set it on fire to burn them all, and also he would gouge out chunks of flesh from prisoners, put salt in the woulds and let animals lick them. eventually his brother killed him and took the throne.
that is the true story of dracula

Vlad The Impaler. Good king. Bad party guest. :wink:

Grenade launchers are effective.


actually i think a flamethrower wouyld be better since vampires can be destroyed by fire, sharpnal that would kill a human would only annoy the wampyr(like the pretentious psuedo intellectual alternate spelling)

Grenade launchers are effective.


actually i think a flamethrower wouyld be better since vampires can be destroyed by fire, sharpnal that would kill a human would only annoy the wampyr(like the pretentious psuedo intellectual alternate spelling)

Flamethrowers are better, but I just like to watch them hop around for a bit before they die. :wink:

i dont belive in vampire, nor vampire lores, or nothing of that sort.
but, a multi-layerd defense/offense would be nessacary,such as follows:
(lowest-highest)defense:
full clothing,including scarf, and flak jacket,
heavy trench coat,another scarf,
suit of full steel platemail (including helment and neck guard),
extra-sized suit of full kevlar.
congradulations if youre not burning up, and extra congradulations if you can move.
(longest range-shortest)
Dragonuv sniper rifle,
AK-47,
M-16,
hand grenade (holy hand grenade if possible :wink: ),
Uzi,
Baretta,
William Wallace's giant sword.

i am a Christian, so i didnt put relegios stuff like holy water and the Cruicifix.

ok, dracula was not actually thrown out of heaven or anything. he was in fact a real person. his name was Vladd Dracul the Prince of Romania...

... he eventually became real evil and did some very horrific things. the impaling got him the name Vladd the Impaler...

that is the true story of dracula

Oh no, its not: Vladd Dracul was the father of Vladd the Impaler: the -a which is suffixed to the Impaler's name is a diminuitive meaning "son of".

Vladd Dracul = Father of Vladd the Impaler.
Vladd Dracula = Vladd the Impaler.

Does not being a virgin still work against vampires?

Grenade launchers are effective.


actually i think a flamethrower wouyld be better since vampires can be destroyed by fire, sharpnal that would kill a human would only annoy the wampyr(like the pretentious psuedo intellectual alternate spelling)

Flamethrowers are better, but I just like to watch them hop around for a bit before they die. :wink:

i dont belive in vampire, nor vampire lores, or nothing of that sort.
but, a multi-layerd defense/offense would be nessacary,such as follows:
(lowest-highest)defense:
full clothing,including scarf, and flak jacket,
heavy trench coat,another scarf,
suit of full steel platemail (including helment and neck guard),
extra-sized suit of full kevlar.
congradulations if youre not burning up, and extra congradulations if you can move.
(longest range-shortest)
Dragonuv sniper rifle,
AK-47,
M-16,
hand grenade (holy hand grenade if possible :wink: ),
Uzi,
Baretta,
William Wallace's giant sword.

i am a Christian, so i didnt put relegios stuff like holy water and the Cruicifix.

An impressive armoury, to be sure, but the problem with vampires is recognising them from a distance. In order to kill a vampire you first need to identfy your vampire, how do you plan to go about the recon stage of the opeation, or are you just planning on wasting anything that comes within a couple of hundred yards of you?

Does not being a virgin still work against vampires?

I don't know, and I'd rather not test it. :wink:

In tradirional vampire lore, a cross is said to repel vampires. This leads me to the question: What if the vampire in question, was not Christian? What would you use then?

Jewish vampire a star of david?

Muslim vampire the Q'ran (Actually any version of the bible should work on any Judeo-Christian-islamic vampire)

Nazi vampire a swastica?

And so on.

And wouldn't we be in real deep sh1t if the vampire were an athiest?

Jim

Precisely why I never leave home without my titanium core wooden stake. Ya just never know!

:shock:

What if you drink holy water then they suck your blood?

Holy water doesn’t work if it’s ingested. It’s religious significance disappear if ingested or mixed with something like tang.

Demons prefer virgins because they’re less likely to have aids. However they can, and do, capture people for testing.
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Demons prefer virgins because they’re less likely to have aids. However they can, and do, capture people for testing.

Are you claiming that the special role of the virgin in vampire mythology began in the last half of the last century?

I think we shouldnt kill vampires at all i think we should bribe them. We should get them to join the armies and in wars they can have all the blood they want from all the enemies soldiers :twisted:

Are you claiming that the special role of the virgin in vampire mythology began in the last half of the last century?
That’s how it is at present. Most vampires are young, grew up in more modern cultures and they care less about the old traditions. There are only a few elders still around that carry around traditions. They were the ones who preferred their women to be untouched. Today almost anyone is fair game.
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Out of all the demons in this world, none is more frightening than man

i dont belive in vampire, nor vampire lores, or nothing of that sort.
but, a multi-layerd defense/offense would be nessacary,such as follows:
(lowest-highest)defense:
full clothing,including scarf, and flak jacket,
heavy trench coat,another scarf,
suit of full steel platemail (including helment and neck guard),
extra-sized suit of full kevlar.
congradulations if youre not burning up, and extra congradulations if you can move.
(longest range-shortest)
Dragonuv sniper rifle,
AK-47,
M-16,
hand grenade (holy hand grenade if possible :wink: ),
Uzi,
Baretta,
William Wallace's giant sword.

i am a Christian, so i didnt put relegios stuff like holy water and the Cruicifix.

I'd leave out the Uzi and the Baretta; 9mm will bounce off vampires, unless they're really frail.

You want a USAS-12 automatic shotgun, with the 20 round drum magazine, and 12-gauge slugs.

Or possibly an elephant gun.

In tradirional vampire lore, a cross is said to repel vampires. This leads me to the question: What if the vampire in question, was not Christian? What would you use then?

Jewish vampire a star of david?

Muslim vampire the Q'ran (Actually any version of the bible should work on any Judeo-Christian-islamic vampire)

Nazi vampire a swastica?

And so on.

And wouldn't we be in real deep sh1t if the vampire were an athiest?

Jim

In the original stories, something like a cross would have done jack squat to a vampire. It was only through recasting the vampire myth through the lens of Christianity (similar to their assimilation of other native superstitions, like Christmas/winter solstice, etc.) that the cross became an effective tool against a vampire, and even then, it was only a few types that it effectively dealt with. As such, a cross or holy water is hardly your best bet.

What is fairly universal about vampires is the following:

Wooden Stakes (oak is best)
Decapitation
Silver

Generally speaking, the best way to kill a vampire is to go into his lair while he/she is sleeping, open up the coffin, and impale him through the heart with the stake. This pins his body to the earth and prevents him from rising again. To be thorough, the next step is to cut off the head and burn the body.

Against a live vampire coming after you, your best bet is to fight with something silver. Silver has almost universally been attributed with special properties, such as the ability to kill werewolves, and in this case, to seriously hurt a vampire if it were stabbed or slashed. Generally speaking, the vampire is no different from any other predator, in that it will generally take the most readily available and most easily consumed prey available to it. If you start hacking at it and burning it with a silver blade, it will generally retreat rather than continue to fight.

Garlic is occasionally called a useful deterrant, but again, only for a few varieties, and I wouldn't bet my life on its use.

If without weapons, there are some means of tricking a vampire. Like many/most demons, vampires are required to pick something up if you've thrown it. Because of this, a bag of something small and numerous, like beans or pebbles, can be a lifesaver, because if you empty it out over the ground between you and it, it will have to pick up and count all the pebbles and beans you just dropped before it can continue, which might give you a chance to run. Another important rule is that vampires cannot cross the threshhold of your house unless you invite them in.

hippies manage to survive a fairly huge amount of camping out, in various states of altered consciousness without signifigant nosferatu attrition. i'm guessing petuli and b.o. are an effective vampire repellant.

That’s how it is at present. Most vampires are young, grew up in more modern cultures and they care less about the old traditions. There are only a few elders still around that carry around traditions. They were the ones who preferred their women to be untouched. Today almost anyone is fair game.

So vampires are real? What evidence do you have?

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So vampires are real? What evidence do you have?
Must I keep reminding people that I’m a demon? Fine, have it your way.
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And yes I am a demon bent on torturing souls and frightening little children.

just stick to garlic. the universal repelant.
its us reserected tourtured souls you have to worry about

haha, good point

I'm sure garlic works double on Italian ones.
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haha, good point

I'm sure garlic works double on Italian ones.
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hey now. dont be dissin the italians man.

haha, good point

I'm sure garlic works double on Italian ones.
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hey now. dont be dissin the italians man.

Hey, it coulda been worse, I could have easily said Guido.

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haha, good point

I'm sure garlic works double on Italian ones.


hey now. dont be dissin the italians man.

Hey, it coulda been worse, I could have easily said Guido.



Or daego?

or guinea

tisk tisk. singling people out
for shame :roll:

or guinea

What does guinea have to do with anything? I'm not familiar with that particular ethnophoulism.