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Nice little flash movie for your viewing entertainment.. ;)

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

Little did they know . . . the neo-cons had just entered . . . The No-Fly Zone . . . :shock:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118465,00.html

Today's special "Chicken-Hawk with a side of Condi Rice"

Little did they know . . . the neo-cons had just entered . . . The No-Fly Zone . . . :shock:

LOL :lol:

Too bad I'll have to hear you guys knock the Bush Administration for 4 more years.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

Too bad I'll have to hear you guys knock the Bush Administration for 4 more years.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

Make that 4 years and 6 months. But, on January 20th 2009 they will quiet down about GW Bush and start whining about President Rice and VP Giuliani.

Here is something you bleeding hearts might like

http://www.ericblumrich.com/ihr.html

Conservatives, note the following in this liberal propaganda:

1. The use of Nazi symbolism
2. The use of Klan symbolism
3. The prominent use of the word "comrade" in the call to action

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118465,00.html

Today's special "Chicken-Hawk with a side of Condi Rice"

Does this make Frank Lautenberg Foghorn Leghorn??? I mean really people let's raise the standard a bit. Viet Nam was a long time ago and it was a Democratis party fiasco under LBJ. Nixon, for all his many sorry assed faults, at least had enough integrity to end it.

So it raised the question whose only answer is simply what corporation gets the cheese depends of which party is is power. The Dems have their's and the Republicans have theirs.

How do you know a politician is lying? Their mouth is open. Disagree though you may, Bush does what he says.

:shock:

i hate Frank Lautenberg and the Lautenberg Amendment with a passion

Disagree though you may, Bush does what he says.



Like when he said he'd focus first on diplomacy even after he told the Saudi's that the war was a sure bet, and when he said we'd find WMD's when we went into Iraq even though he now says there were just programs, or back when he ran for Governer of Texas and said he wasn't going to run for president, or when he said he didn't believe in nation-building ---- wait, what was your point again?

*Drives by in car, rolls down window*

"CONSERVATIVES SUCK!!!!!!"

*Floors it, swerves to avoid flames*

texastambul, cant you go cry about Waco or Ruby Ridge or something?

texastambul, cant you go cry about Waco or Ruby Ridge or something?

If we continue allowing the Federal Government to dismantle the constitution, then events of Police-State aggression will only escalate.

*Drives by in car, rolls down window*

"CONSERVATIVES SUCK!!!!!!"

*Floors it, swerves to avoid flames*

This forum isn't too bad. The worst thing we get are drive-by disagreements.

Nice little flash movie for your viewing entertainment.. ;)

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
Very entertaining, very enlightening too!! :lol:

*Drives by in car, rolls down window*

"CONSERVATIVES SUCK!!!!!!"

*Floors it, swerves to avoid flames*

This forum isn't too bad. The worst thing we get are drive-by disagreements.

I take it you saw that episode of Family Guy too?

("I say, isn't that that young chap Reginald? Let's get him!" *car rolls up* "Oh Reginald?...I DISAGREE!!!!!" *car speeds off*)

Here is something you bleeding hearts might like

http://www.ericblumrich.com/ihr.html

Conservatives, note the following in this liberal propaganda:

1. The use of Nazi symbolism
2. The use of Klan symbolism
3. The prominent use of the word "comrade" in the call to action
Let me guess... you're one of the people who rushed to condemn Jay Severin (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2004_04_25_rogerailes_archive.html#108307630578778217) (talk radio host, G.O.P. stalwart, and veteran of several Republican political campaigns) when he said that we should kill all of the Muslims in the US, earlier this week? Or Rev. Sun Myung Moon (http://www.nypress.com/17/2/news&columns/signorile.cfm), the Republican media mogul who is one of Bush's biggest financial backers, when he called for a holocaust against gays this last month? What about Michael Breit (http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/alerts/reader/0,2061,570658,00.html), the man in Illinois who was arrested last week and was discovered to be stockpiling weapons and explosives? You know, he kept a detailed list of Democrats and left a note which stated "I will die for my cause, for it is just. I won't put my hands up and surrender -- I will not rest till I purge these United States from the treasonist (sic) parasites."

Compared to these guys, Blumrich's pretty innocuous, once you think about it - don't you agree?

Here is something you bleeding hearts might like

http://www.ericblumrich.com/ihr.html

Conservatives, note the following in this liberal propaganda:

1. The use of Nazi symbolism
2. The use of Klan symbolism
3. The prominent use of the word "comrade" in the call to action
Let me guess... you're one of the people who rushed to condemn Jay Severin (http://rogerailes.blogspot.com/2004_04_25_rogerailes_archive.html#108307630578778217) (talk radio host, G.O.P. stalwart, and veteran of several Republican political campaigns) when he said that we should kill all of the Muslims in the US, earlier this week? Or Rev. Sun Myung Moon (http://www.nypress.com/17/2/news&columns/signorile.cfm), the Republican media mogul who is one of Bush's biggest financial backers, when he called for a holocaust against gays this last month? What about Michael Breit (http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/alerts/reader/0,2061,570658,00.html), the man in Illinois who was arrested last week and was discovered to be stockpiling weapons and explosives? You know, he kept a detailed list of Democrats and left a note which stated "I will die for my cause, for it is just. I won't put my hands up and surrender -- I will not rest till I purge these United States from the treasonist (sic) parasites."

Compared to these guys, Blumrich's pretty innocuous, once you think about it - don't you agree?
I dont care about Sun Myung Moon, Michael Breit, or Jay Severin. None of them are in the little propaganda clip that I posted.

I see you jumped all over Hillary Clinton for her, "Ghandi was some guy who worked at a gas station in St. Louis" comment.

The shit can flow both ways, so dont open it up.

What, we're not allowed to compare Bush with Hitler or the KKK in a satire piece, but you get to liken Vietnam vet Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden? :roll:
Ah, the pungent aroma of Republican hypocrisy!

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

Not that you're religious, but I doubt it's a good idea to misrepresent the WORD of GOD for your personal agenda...

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

Not that you're religious, but I doubt it's a good idea to misrepresent the WORD of GOD for your personal agenda...
No I am not religious at all, I just happen to know that quote because I am an athiest.

You're just plain ignorant.

I dont care about Sun Myung Moon, Michael Breit, or Jay Severin. None of them are in the little propaganda clip that I posted.

I see you jumped all over Hillary Clinton for her, "Ghandi was some guy who worked at a gas station in St. Louis" comment.

The shit can flow both ways, so dont open it up.Of course you don't care about Moon, Severin, or Breit--they all claim to be conservatives and make your side look bad.

But don't even compare Senator Clinton to those people. Moon has openly advocated the killing of homosexuals. Severin just said on the air that we ought to kill all Muslims and then offered a half-ass non-apology when he was busted. And Breit was literally stockpiling weapons and planning to kill "liberals." Hillary made a bad joke and didn't advocate that anyone die. They're not even close.

A liberal blogger was interviewed recently and was asked if he wouldbe willing to work for a moderate Republican candidate for slightly more money than for a liberal Democratic candidate. He chose the Democratic candidate for this reason: party affiliation means something when it comes to setting the national political agenda, and if it comes down to the crazies in the party having some influence on the agenda, then he felt better about the crazies on the left, because all they want to do is save the environment, feed old and homeless people, and get everyone health care. The crazies on the right want to cut taxes so deeply that they get rid of Social Security and Medicare and leave everyone at the tender mercies of the free market.

I'll take the crazies on the left any day.

I'll take the crazies on the left any day.
Like Robert Byrd, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Micheal "Liar" Moore, Al "Raving idiot" Franken, or the idiots on the left who would rather see murderers living than the children they murder, or all you lunatics who think Bush alowed 9/11 to happen, or all the lunatics who blame America for 9/11 instead of the 19 muslim terrorists who conducted it. Or all the militant idoits who flooded the Mall in D.C. to say idiotic things like "I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that." What generation, the one you haven't slaughtered in your genocide against the children?

I'll take the crazies on the left any day.
Like Robert Byrd, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Micheal "Liar" Moore, Al "Raving idiot" Franken, or the idiots on the left who would rather see murderers living than the children they murder, or all you lunatics who think Bush alowed 9/11 to happen, or all the lunatics who blame America for 9/11 instead of the 19 muslim terrorists who conducted it. Or all the militant idoits who flooded the Mall in D.C. to say idiotic things like "I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that." What generation, the one you haven't slaughtered in your genocide against the children?
I want to write a response, but I really just keep wondering if FoB has matresses leaning against his/her window...

Now that was seriously funny :)

One would almost start to pitty the republicans who are clinging to their pipedream of the current administration being something to be 'proud' off. :lol:

As they say... the truth hurts... I guess this means 'some' republicans must be really hurting :lol:

Here!! Have an asprine!! :lol:

You know what? Have two!! :lol:

I'll take the crazies on the left any day.
Like Robert Byrd, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Micheal "Liar" Moore, Al "Raving idiot" Franken, or the idiots on the left who would rather see murderers living than the children they murder, or all you lunatics who think Bush alowed 9/11 to happen, or all the lunatics who blame America for 9/11 instead of the 19 muslim terrorists who conducted it. Or all the militant idoits who flooded the Mall in D.C. to say idiotic things like "I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that." What generation, the one you haven't slaughtered in your genocide against the children?
I want to write a response, but I really just keep wondering if FoB has matresses leaning against his/her window...Actually, as my home is on a U.S. Miltary installation, I really don't fear for my life, or those of my family.

[bla bla bla] all you lunatics who think Bush alowed 9/11 to happen, or all the lunatics who blame America for 9/11 instead of the 19 muslim terrorists who conducted it.

I think at this point, even the 9/11 Whitewash Commission has proven that Bush went out of his way to allow 9/11 to happen! (literally, he's been on more "vacations" than any other setting president)

And second: what evidence has proven that "muslim terrorist" carried out 9/11? ~ plus, does it matter to you that Bush Sr. and bin Laden were together on 9/11 discussing their business together?

I'll take the crazies on the left any day.
Like Robert Byrd, Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Micheal "Liar" Moore, Al "Raving idiot" Franken, or the idiots on the left who would rather see murderers living than the children they murder, or all you lunatics who think Bush alowed 9/11 to happen, or all the lunatics who blame America for 9/11 instead of the 19 muslim terrorists who conducted it. Or all the militant idoits who flooded the Mall in D.C. to say idiotic things like "I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that." What generation, the one you haven't slaughtered in your genocide against the children?
I want to write a response, but I really just keep wondering if FoB has matresses leaning against his/her window...You're getting much better at beating me to the punch, CTOAN. :lol:

Actually, as my home is on a U.S. Miltary installation, I really don't fear for my life, or those of my family.

So your brainwashed: good for you.

Actually, as my home is on a U.S. Miltary installation, I really don't fear for my life, or those of my family.
What post do you live on?

And second: what evidence has proven that "muslim terrorist" carried out 9/11?
I seriously thought you had some common sense, but I was wrong

Here are 19 pieces of evidence.

1. Khalid Almihdhar
2. Majed Moqed
3. Nawaf Alhazmi
4. Salem Alhazmi
5. Hani Hanjour
6. Satam M.A. Al Suqami
7. Waleed M. Alshehri
8. Wail M. Alshehri
9. Mohamed Atta
10. Abdulaziz Alomari
11. Marwan Al-Shehhi
12. Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (damn thats a long name)
13. Ahmed Alghamdi
14. Hamza Alghamdi
15. Mohand Alshehri
16. Saeed Alghamdi
17. Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi
18. Ahmed Alnami
19. Ziad Samir Jarrah

is that enaugh evidence that muslim terrorists conducted September 11th?

I seriously thought you had some common sense, but I was wrong

Here are 19 pieces of evidence.

1. Khalid Almihdhar
2. Majed Moqed
3. Nawaf Alhazmi
4. Salem Alhazmi
5. Hani Hanjour
6. Satam M.A. Al Suqami
7. Waleed M. Alshehri
8. Wail M. Alshehri
9. Mohamed Atta
10. Abdulaziz Alomari
11. Marwan Al-Shehhi
12. Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (damn thats a long name)
13. Ahmed Alghamdi
14. Hamza Alghamdi
15. Mohand Alshehri
16. Saeed Alghamdi
17. Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi
18. Ahmed Alnami
19. Ziad Samir Jarrah

is that enaugh evidence that muslim terrorists conducted September 11th?


wow... groudbreaking evidence!

But here in reality, there still is no proof that any of the aforementioned men had anything to do with 9/11...

wow... groudbreaking evidence!

But here in reality, there still is no proof that any of the aforementioned men had anything to do with 9/11...
okay, if you really think that, you must have lost your brain along with all the tears when you were crying in Wacko on the ashes out the burned out compound.

is that enaugh evidence that muslim terrorists conducted September 11th?

Where is the airport surveillance video that shows them getting on the flights?

is that enaugh evidence that muslim terrorists conducted September 11th?

Where is the airport surveillance video that shows them getting on the flights?I trust my government, I trusted it when Clinton was president. If you don't trust them, go to Logan Int. and ask for their footage and I am sure you will see them getting on the plane.

I trust my government, I trusted it when Clinton was president.

Oh, you mean the guy who let bin Laden get away, sold our missile technology to China, bombed the hell out civilian populations in a meaningless war for his own popularity and propt-up Janet "The Butcher of Waco" Reno all along the way!

Did I mention he wanted to take away your guns?

If you don't trust them, go to Logan Int. and ask for their footage and I am sure you will see them getting on the plane.


Right... I'm sure that's why the video never surfaced, because no-one has asked to see it yet.

I trust my government, I trusted it when Clinton was president.

Oh, you mean the guy who let bin Laden get away, sold our missile technology to China, bombed the hell out civilian populations in a meaningless war for his own popularity and propt-up Janet "The Butcher of Waco" Reno all along the way!

Did I mention he wanted to take away your guns?

If you don't trust them, go to Logan Int. and ask for their footage and I am sure you will see them getting on the plane.


Right... I'm sure that's why the video never surfaced, because no-one has asked to see it yet.
I say again, I trusted the government then and I do now.
As far as the video is concerned, what effort have you made to find the tapes?

As far as the video is concerned, what effort have you made to find the tapes?

Are you suggesting that the tapes are available, but no one in the media has bothered to ask for them?

As far as the video is concerned, what effort have you made to find the tapes?

Are you suggesting that the tapes are available, but no one in the media has bothered to ask for them?
If someone has asked, then who? provide proof from their website saying they were not able to recieve the tapes.

Have you asked Logan International? If not then why are you trusting the media that is controled by the evil-waco-burning-ruby-ridge-shooting-government?

As far as the video is concerned, what effort have you made to find the tapes?

Are you suggesting that the tapes are available, but no one in the media has bothered to ask for them?That could very well be the case--after all, the recent pictures of the coffins returning from Iraq were only released because of a FOIA request made by an independent news group. Apparently, no one else had thought to request them.

Y'know, this is how we can tell that our nation is healthy and alive-people disagreeing openly, and standing up for their position.

Even when it's full of... stuff.

Janet Reno made her rep as a Florida Attorney-General busting people for exploiting kids. She was a major user of "Recovered Memory" evidence-in particular, Hypnotic Regression techniques.

This was before Hypnotic Regression was discredited in Phsychological Practice as being too vulnerable to manipulation, you understand-back then, it was still admissible in court.

Ruby Ridge was a Mistake-in the case of that cock-up, Larry Potts (the field commander) failed to use common sense, the result being the wrongful deaths of two innocent people. The Failure to discipline him came from the Agency to which he belonged.

Waco was also a mistake-more incompetence than malice-powered by an agency bunker-mentality and the desire for some members of that agency to distract attention away from an investigation into official and unofficial misconduct within that agency.
Waco was a PR effort that backfired, and the Congressional "Hearings" were a whitewash to cover a lot of scared Beaurocratic asses.

Oklahoma City was more than two guys-but it wasn't a "Government Coverup" in the classical sense meant by a lot of the early-nineties Militia and tin-foil-hat types.
All you have to do, is look at the pictures in TIME and Newsweek-esp. the overhead and front-end shots, but also the side-views... There were two bombs, the one McVey put in place, and the one that actually trashed the structure.
(Hint: ANFO doesn't blast that way, even with Nitromethane as an accellerant and dynamite as the primer.)
What we got, was a slipshod investigation because the Government needed a conviction quick-so, they only popped two out of however many there actually were. It's two better than the usual.

WTC-the first one. Cheesy bomb in a truck, suspects arrested, (still) in jail.

September 11th- We can't arrest the perps this time, they're DEAD.
We can, could, and did go after the organization that financed and trained them. We also went after two Islamic countries that supported or shelter Terrorism-Afghanistan, which had become the hidey-hole nation and the expression of their ideals in the flesh, and Iraq, which just needed to be finished off so that the silly damned sanctions-that-didn't-work could end.

Current results? Quaddafi has opened up and is cooperative, Syria's actually arresting mass-murderers, and the Terrorists are flocking to a central point where they can have their jihad and get killed for Allah. Al-Quaeda's getting their finances looked into, the American President is being blamed, and the population's more polarized than ever before.

This should be a fun election season, provided the Democrats don't Riot, like they did in Chicago in 1968...

This should be a fun election season, provided the Democrats don't Riot, like they did in Chicago in 1968...
I wouldn't be suprised if Boston sees its biggest riots since they started bussing students in the 1960s.

Ok, this is for Texastambul and New Auburnland.. Knock it off attack each others argument, not each other mmk?

This thread, while agreed true.. was meant as a funny.. don't be wrecking my thread you two..LOL :P

Stephanie
Game Moderator

This thread, while agreed true.. was meant as a funny.. don't be wrecking my thread you two ..LOL :P

Stephanie
Game Moderator

foe shizzle! :wink:

WTC-the first one. Cheesy bomb in a truck, suspects arrested, (still) in jail.


You've failed to mention the FBI's assistance in the bombing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing#FBI_foreknowledge

In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, an Egyptian man named Emad Salem, who was involved with the bombing conspiracy. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992, information he was privy to possibly because he himself initiated the plot. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.

Salem asserts that the original plan was to have the plotters build the bomb using a harmless powder instead of actual explosive, but that an FBI supervisor decided that a real bomb should be constructed instead. He substantiates his claims with hundreds of hours of secretly-recorded conversations with his FBI handlers, made during discussions held after the bombings.

Salem says he wished to complain to FBI headquarters in Washington about the failure to prevent the bombing despite foreknowledge, but was dissuaded from doing so by the New York FBI office.

The FBI has not explicitly denied Salem's account.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html

Current results? Quaddafi has opened up and is cooperative, Syria's actually arresting mass-murderers, and the Terrorists are flocking to a central point where they can have their jihad and get killed for Allah.

Quaddafi is being supplied with even more weapons!

The myth about "terrorist" flocking to Iraq is overblown: the truth is that the alleaged 9/11 hi-jackers were rich and well educated: they're not the same people at all!

Al-Quaeda's getting their finances looked into

Yes, and I wonder why thy stopped doing that: is it that the Saudi Royal family and Bush connections could prove embarrasing (especially when the Bushs and the bin Ladens are both members of the Carlyle group)

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

:?

*gets bible and looks that up*

hmmm...

"A wise man's heart leads him rightly, but a fool's heart leads him astray;"
- Ecclesiastes 10:2 (Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern)

Surely this left-right thing is just a gag...

*gets another bible and looks it up again*

Indeed, here it is:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
- Ecclesiastes 10:2 (The Teen Study Bible, NIV, Zondervan)

nice. :P

But, what about us zen masters who have trancended the left-right pseudo-reality (http://www.lp.org) into a new state of existance? 8)

Indeed, here it is:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
- Ecclesiastes 10:2 ( The Teen Study Bible, NIV, Zondervan )


I knew there was a reason I didn't trust those dirty Propaganda-bibles!!

How the heck does the fact that 99.9% of the Bush administration getting out of Vietnam get to bible quotes? LOL

You guys never cease to amaze me..lol


I think it's really cute though all the people defending the Chicken-Hawks.... kind of makes you wonder why a man who actually fought for the country is getting such a hard time by a bunch of dudes who figured any way out of Vietnam they could.. oh sweet irony..lol

at least the red arrow can back up his conspiracy theories with a better source than whatreallyhappened.com

How the heck does the fact that 99.9% of the Bush administration getting out of Vietnam get to bible quotes? LOL

You guys never cease to amaze me..lol


I think it's really cute though all the people defending the Chicken-Hawks.... kind of makes you wonder why a man who actually fought for the country is getting such a hard time by a bunch of dudes who figured any way out of Vietnam they could.. oh sweet irony..lol
Well Kerry must have hated his time in the Navy, because he has voted on numerous occasions to cut defense spending.

I am in the military, and I see those "chicken-hawks" supporting me a hell of alot better than what Kerry has voted to do in the Senate.

I think it's really cute though all the people defending the Chicken-Hawks.... kind of makes you wonder why a man who actually fought for the country is getting such a hard time by a bunch of dudes who figured any way out of Vietnam they could.. oh sweet irony..lol

The ironic part is that this Chicken-Hawk Administration is wrapping itself in the flag and banging the drums war and patriotism ~ at least when George Bush Sr. took America along for an unjust war he could say "Hey, I served -- now I get to send people off to die" --- these guys don't even pretend to care!

How the heck does the fact that 99.9% of the Bush administration getting out of Vietnam get to bible quotes? LOL

You guys never cease to amaze me..lol


I think it's really cute though all the people defending the Chicken-Hawks.... kind of makes you wonder why a man who actually fought for the country is getting such a hard time by a bunch of dudes who figured any way out of Vietnam they could.. oh sweet irony..lol
Well Kerry must have hated his time in the Navy, because he has voted on numerous occasions to cut defense spending.

I am in the military, and I see those "chicken-hawks" supporting me a hell of alot better than what Kerry has voted to do in the Senate.

Perhaps Kerry is one of those wackos who doesn't think there needs to be government contracts for parts and replacements to military equipment that hasn't been in service since HE was in service.

How the heck does the fact that 99.9% of the Bush administration getting out of Vietnam get to bible quotes? LOL

You guys never cease to amaze me..lol


I think it's really cute though all the people defending the Chicken-Hawks.... kind of makes you wonder why a man who actually fought for the country is getting such a hard time by a bunch of dudes who figured any way out of Vietnam they could.. oh sweet irony..lol
Well Kerry must have hated his time in the Navy, because he has voted on numerous occasions to cut defense spending.

I am in the military, and I see those "chicken-hawks" supporting me a hell of alot better than what Kerry has voted to do in the Senate.

So you bash Kerry for voting with what at the time was Dick Cheney's requests as Sec. of Defense? I think you should look for a third party then..lol :P

at least the red arrow can back up his conspiracy theories with a better source than whatreallyhappened.com

Your always welcome to go to your local library and see for yourself what was written:

THE NEW YORK TIMES

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

http://100777.com/node/view/97

I think you should look for a third party then..lol :P

:idea: (http://www.lp.org) <-- click to be enlightened (EDIT: assuming the person doing said clicking is from the United States :D )

Well Kerry must have hated his time in the Navy, because he has voted on numerous occasions to cut defense spending.

You do realize that the Pentagon's budget is larger than most of the rest of the worlds put together? Why is cutting "defense spending" so bad when the Pentagon can't even account for over a trillion dollars?
http://www.whereisthemoney.org/

I am in the military, and I see those "chicken-hawks" supporting me a hell of alot better than what Kerry has voted to do in the Senate.

By "supporting", do you mean "sending to the desert to justify awarding their companies no-bid contracts to rebuild a country they destroyed with bombs they also profited off of constructing" ???

Here is what I experienced in a nutshell during my time in the military...

Democrat Administrations..:low pay raises, military families on welfare:

Republican Administrations:High pay raises, at least some attempt to get relief for military families

Both Democrat/Republican Administrations:not near enough done for retirees, benefits cut, Veteran Administration Hospitals in dismal shape with it's healthcare system fractured and confusing....used to be my retiree medical/dental benefits are free...that's it..no muss no fuss, same thing for a wife/dependents..not any more.

But I can understand a cut in benefits because it's bad enough for the guys/women who are active duty now.

Here is what I experienced in a nutshell during my time in the military...

what years?

Democrat Administrations..:low pay raises, military families on welfare: [/quote]

True...

Republican Administrations:High pay raises, at least some attempt to get relief for military families

WAIT! Bush cut military pay during the Iraq War!!

Both Democrat/Republican Administrations:not near enough done for retirees, benefits cut, Veteran Administration Hospitals in dismal shape with it's healthcare system fractured and confusing....used to be my retiree medical/dental benefits are free...that's it..no muss no fuss, same thing for a wife/dependents..not any more.

This is TRUE! The Administration has cut VA benefits during a time of WAR and during a boom in retirement age Veterans

Not to mention turning blind-eyes to Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome

Here is what I experienced in a nutshell during my time in the military...

what years?

Democrat Administrations..:low pay raises, military families on welfare:

True...

Republican Administrations:High pay raises, at least some attempt to get relief for military families

WAIT! Bush cut military pay during the Iraq War!!

Both Democrat/Republican Administrations:not near enough done for retirees, benefits cut, Veteran Administration Hospitals in dismal shape with it's healthcare system fractured and confusing....used to be my retiree medical/dental benefits are free...that's it..no muss no fuss, same thing for a wife/dependents..not any more.

This is TRUE! The Administration has cut VA benefits during a time of WAR and during a boom in retirement age Veterans

Not to mention turning blind-eyes to Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome[/quote]

Oh...don't even get me started on the Agent Orange and Gulf War fight Texas...I was in 66-86....retired at 20..recalled for first Gulf War because they lacked combat-trained Staff NCO's., then retired again.

It took us 20 yrs to get the Defense Dept and Veterans Administration to do the honorable thing and compensate those of us who may have been exposed to Agent Orange...it's been over 10 yrs for the Gulf War vets and their Syndrome..no doubt it'll be another 10 yrs before they get justice...

Oh my Gods...I just figured it out..we have common ground..wait.. where are my nitroglycerin pills....lol

Oh...don't even get me started on the Agent Orange and Gulf War fight Texas...I was in 66-86....retired at 20..recalled for first Gulf War because they lacked combat-trained Staff NCO's., then retired again.

It took us 20 yrs to get the Defense Dept and Veterans Administration to do the honorable thing and compensate those of us who may have been exposed to Agent Orange...it's been over 10 yrs for the Gulf War vets and their Syndrome..no doubt it'll be another 10 yrs before they get justice...



The truth is that many with Agent Orange still haven't been compensated...

Perhaps doctors don't find it strange that alot of Vets are dying of "phnemonia" even when they're in their early 50's and in excellent condition...

It's a sad state of affairs when Veteran's papers are telling old soldiers that the may have to sue the govenment to get their promised health care...

This should be a fun election season, provided the Democrats don't Riot, like they did in Chicago in 1968...
I wouldn't be suprised if Boston sees its biggest riots since they started bussing students in the 1960s.

You're the guy who compared Hillary Clinton making a joke about Ghandi being a gas station attendant to the Republicans advocating the extermination of an entire group of people, right? I guess that it's not at all surprising that your sense of history is as confused as your sense of ethics.

A) Boston didn't start busing students until 1974.

B) In no way were the busing incidents in any way similar to the Chicago riots in 1968. Some people in two Boston suburbs - South Boston and Roxbury - threw stones at buses. It also helps to know that the city of South Boston is one of the most conservative suburbs of Boston, very Irish and devoutly Catholic, whereas Roxbury is predominantly black.

For some reason, however, even after 30 years, idiots on the Right still keep trotting out the busing incidents as if they were proof positive of liberal racism, which they are not. The fact of the matter is that school integration was difficult and at times violent all over the country - not just Boston - but I guess when all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

So I'm officially calling bullshit. This "shit," as you put it, does not come from both ends of the spectrum. For starters, liberals did condemn Hillary Clinton - something you couldn't bring yourself to do for those three Republicans. You see, most liberals I know don't engage in the sort of fawning, unquestioning idol-worship that conservatives engage in on a regular basis. Furthermore, condemnation of Hillary had to come from the Left, because the Right has spent the last 12 years comparing her to Hitler (e.g. "Hitlery"), so after that any further condemnation they could muster would be comparatively weak, not to mention hypocritical.

If you can provide one example of a Democrat calling for an entire group of people to be exterminated, even in jest, from the news over last month, against my three examples of Republicans, then I will concede that this happens on both sides of the aisle. Until I see that proof, however, I'll just assume that you're talking out of your ass.

Here's the image Senator Lautenberg used while describing Dick Cheney, among others, as chickenhawks:
http://www.fromtheroots.org/images/chickenhawk.jpg

Beautiful, isn't it.

Here's the image Senator Lautenberg used while describing Dick Cheney, among others, as chickenhawks:
http://www.fromtheroots.org/images/chickenhawk.jpg

Beautiful, isn't it.Pathetic, your senators, who you have to sub in at the last minute during an election you know you will lose, uses little cartoons to make fun of the administration. You really are a pathetic lot.

Lautenberg--served in Europe during WW II

Cheney--7 deferments to avoid service in Vietnam.

Lautenberg knows what of he speaks, and that's all that matters.

Lautenberg--served in Europe during WW II

Cheney--7 deferments to avoid service in Vietnam.

Lautenberg knows what of he speaks, and that's all that matters.
Incertonia - Never served a day in his life. Knows next to nothing about what he speaks.

Lautenberg--served in Europe during WW II

Cheney--7 deferments to avoid service in Vietnam.

Lautenberg knows what of he speaks, and that's all that matters.
Incertonia - Never served a day in his life. Knows next to nothing about what he speaks.Incertonia--never served a day in my life, and as a result, thinks carefully about when military force ought to be used because he finds life to be far too valuable to piss away on a whim, unlike the current asshats in power. I have lost friends in this conflict, men I went to college with who were called up 6 months before their reserve tours were up and didn't come back. Don't you dare tell me I know next to nothing of what I speak. How dare you?

Lautenberg--served in Europe during WW II

Cheney--7 deferments to avoid service in Vietnam.

Lautenberg knows what of he speaks, and that's all that matters.
Incertonia - Never served a day in his life. Knows next to nothing about what he speaks.Incertonia--never served a day in my life, and as a result, thinks carefully about when military force ought to be used because he finds life to be far too valuable to piss away on a whim, unlike the current asshats in power. I have lost friends in this conflict, men I went to college with who were called up 6 months before their reserve tours were up and didn't come back. Don't you dare tell me I know next to nothing of what I speak. How dare you?
You know nothing. I have friends there now, miltary and civilian. You know nothing about what is going on there. You have no credibilty when talking about the military. Don't get all indignant on me, because while you were taking your little pictures of the gay marriges, I was training soldiers going staight to Iraq. If you think because you know someone who died, you have any right to talk with authority about things going on there, your wrong. You are a Air America shill and parrot, who gangs up on conservatives with the Canadian know-nothings on this site, and bully people around. You attack me with the freedom that I and my soldiers provide to you, you are a pathetic tool of America hating losers. Get a life.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -Ecclesiastes 10:2

Wow. I'm sure that when God caused that particular verse to be written down, He was thinking specifically of the French Assembly that gave rise to your particular use of 'right' and 'left', and the implications that has on American politics. Cause, you know, He's just cool like that.

You know nothing. I have friends there now, miltary and civilian. You know nothing about what is going on there. You have no credibilty when talking about the military. Don't get all indignant on me, because while you were taking your little pictures of the gay marriges, I was training soldiers going staight to Iraq. If you think because you know someone who died, you have any right to talk with authority about things going on there, your wrong. You are a Air America shill and parrot, who gangs up on conservatives with the Canadian know-nothings on this site, and bully people around. You attack me with the freedom that I and my soldiers provide to you, you are a pathetic tool of America hating losers. Get a life.Believe what you will--I am no tool and I am no bully, but I am a fighter in the struggle for the conscience of this country, and I will not surrender to those who govern by fear and hatred and divisiveness. I don't know if you're telling the truth when you say you are active in the military or not--personally, it doesn't matter to me one way or another. I have lost friends in action in an unnecessary war and it is my duty as a citizen to make that fact known as loudly and as clearly as I can, and to oppose it with every fiber of my being, and I will continue to do so. I have a life, sir, and I love this country as much as you, if not more so.

You know what the biggest difference is between us? I see some good in truly conservative values. I may disagree with true conservatives in how we as a society can reach the goals of a better society, or even what constitutes a better society, but I can see their values and appreciate their viewpoints. You can't get past your small ideology to consider that liberals might actually have some good ideas or reasonable solutions to problems. I can respect and honor true conservatives. You refuse to acknowledge even the humanity of those you disagree with. That's the difference, and that's the reason why, in the end, as has happened throughout human history, the liberal viewpoint will eventually win out.

Incertonia - Never served a day in his life. Knows next to nothing about what he speaks.

Getting rather close to a personal attack there Bill.. back off.. thanks!

Stephanie
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You know nothing. I have friends there now, miltary and civilian. You know nothing about what is going on there. You have no credibilty when talking about the military. Don't get all indignant on me, because while you were taking your little pictures of the gay marriges, I was training soldiers going staight to Iraq. If you think because you know someone who died, you have any right to talk with authority about things going on there, your wrong. You are a Air America shill and parrot, who gangs up on conservatives with the Canadian know-nothings on this site, and bully people around. You attack me with the freedom that I and my soldiers provide to you, you are a pathetic tool of America hating losers. Get a life.Believe what you will--I am no tool and I am no bully, but I am a fighter in the struggle for the conscience of this country, and I will not surrender to those who govern by fear and hatred and divisiveness. I don't know if you're telling the truth when you say you are active in the military or not--personally, it doesn't matter to me one way or another. I have lost friends in action in an unnecessary war and it is my duty as a citizen to make that fact known as loudly and as clearly as I can, and to oppose it with every fiber of my being, and I will continue to do so. I have a life, sir, and I love this country as much as you, if not more so.

You know what the biggest difference is between us? I see some good in truly conservative values. I may disagree with true conservatives in how we as a society can reach the goals of a better society, or even what constitutes a better society, but I can see their values and appreciate their viewpoints. You can't get past your small ideology to consider that liberals might actually have some good ideas or reasonable solutions to problems. I can respect and honor true conservatives. You refuse to acknowledge even the humanity of those you disagree with. That's the difference, and that's the reason why, in the end, as has happened throughout human history, the liberal viewpoint will eventually win out.No one with a shred of humanity advocates the murderer of unborn children, and in the same breath labels Bush worse than Hussein. You sir, do not deserve my respect.

an air america shill - i thought air america was the cia own airline from the secret war in cambodia era. i'm confused :?

No one with a shred of humanity advocates the murderer of unborn children, and in the same breath labels Bush worse than Hussein. You sir, do not deserve my respect.Point one--I do not and have never advocated the murder of an unborn child. I wish abortion was less common than it is and I support ways to lower its incidence through education and greater access to birth control and the morning after pill. But that's an easy decision for me to make because I'm a man and will never be forced to make that kind of a call, and it's patently unfair for me to force a woman to do something I will never be forced to do myself.

Point two--I have never labelled Bush as being worse than Saddam Hussein. To the contrary--I have criticized those who have made such claims because they're ludicrous in the extreme. Bush is a horrible president and a man of questionable moral character. He holds the lives of others cheaply as his actions toward the troops and toward those on death row while he was governor of Texas points out clearly. He ie either a liar or an incompetent and regardless of which it is, he deserves tobe fired in November. If it turns out that he aided and abetted the outing of Valerie Plame or approved the diversion of $700 million from Afghanistan to Iraq without Congressional approval then he deserves to be impeached. But he was not a mass-murderer on the scale of Hussein and to suggest he is is ludicrous.

Point three--I don't give a good goddamn if you respect me or not. Your respect is something I neither crave nor desire. Just realize that I am here and will fight that which you claim to represent with all I can muster, and you better hang on, because in the arena of words and ideas, I know how to throw down with the best of them.

LOL Right after bill gets warned he sticks with it.
Coincidently, you wouldnt happen to be a Marine, would you bill?

i want to reply to this thread and prove all you nay-sayers wrong, but I am too damndrunk to form a response with out it violating NS rules and resuting in my ass gettinge DEATed.

Oh, America, stop pretending your two main parties are any different in practice. Your right wingers are economically protectionist, your left wingers drop bombs. Both lie, and frequently.

This won't change for decades.

wow Friends of Bill...you manage to make service men everywhere look bad. my best friend is currently serving in Iraq, and i can only thank the stars that he wasn't subjected to training under someone like you, a person who clearly has no respect for the values this country stands for. you represent every negative conotation of the word "patriotism," and i am embarassed that people like you claim to speak for Americans. please show a little basic courtesy and stop posting lies about what other people believe; you are blatantly misrepresenting Incertonia's stances and being unnecessarily hostile and arrogant. chill, man.