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The failure of US journalism

Stephistan
28-04-2004, 17:45
I don't usually like when people copy/paste stuff. However I stumbled across this story that I thought was quite compelling and accurate from all I have seen.. So, I'm going to fore-go my dislike for copy/paste and post this article. I think it's worth reading.

Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin and author of Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity. He can be reached at rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu.

The failure of US journalism -By Robert Jensen



Before, during and after the war, mainstream commercial journalists have failed to provide the critical analysis, independent reporting, and the diverse range of opinions necessary for the American public to evaluate the Bush administration’s claims about the war.

After the hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction came up empty, Bush was forced to appoint a commission to study the "intelligence failures" in the run-up to war.

As journalists pursued that story, some argued that the press had finally stepped into its role as the proverbial watchdog on power. But journalists continue to allow officials to define and shape the news in ways that keep US readers and viewers in the dark, just as they were before and during the war.

Analysis left wanting

The term "intelligence failures" does a lot of political heavy lifting for the president, implying that the false claim that Iraq had WMD is a result of a failure in the intelligence community rather than careful planning in the White House.

By framing the issue as a question of intelligence failures, not political propaganda, the Bush people hope to divert attention from the fact that they lied. Unfortunately, the vast majority of mainstream commercial journalists in the US fell - or chose to fall - into the administration’s trap.

The Bush intelligence failures script goes like this: We have been working hard to protect ordinary Americans from harm. Based on the information from the intelligence community, we went to war in Iraq to eliminate a threat to our safety.

Now, after the war, we realise the threat may not have been so great. But we can’t be blamed for working to protect America. And besides, the world and the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam Hussein in power.

Bush wins

With the focus on intelligence failures, Bush wins the political battle, no matter what the allegedly "independent" commission he appointed concludes. There can, and likely will, be admissions that mistakes were made, data was misread, some interpretations were unsubstantiated.

Perhaps a few mid-level officials, maybe even the CIA director, will fall on their swords to absolve the administration. Bush will concede what can’t be denied, but continue to claim he only had the interests of the American people in mind when he acted.

But what if the Iraq war wasn't the result of an intelligence failure? What if it was the result of a spectacular political success - the manoeuvring of a nation to war when no threat existed?

The analysis that the Bush administration fought a war for empire by using an argument about self-defence is widely discussed in the rest of the world. But US readers and viewers have to scour the web for alternative sources or go to the foreign press to hear such discussion.

Independence questioned

The "embedded" reporting system was heralded by many in the press as a step forward. Instead of the press pools and heavy-handed censorship imposed by the Pentagon in the 1991 Gulf war, about 600 reporters in 2003 travelled with US military units and were relatively free from censorship (officers had the authority to censor in the name of "operational security" - a notoriously slippery term - but almost never felt the need to exercise it, given the overwhelmingly pro-Pentagon coverage).

But embedded reporters were not allowed to travel independently; once they left their unit, they could not return. And given the realities of travelling, eating, sleeping, and enduring combat with soldiers, it is not surprising that the reports of US embedded reporters largely reflected the point of view of the US military.

There was some excellent reporting done by embedded reporters, such as William Branigin's 1 April story for the Washington Post about soldiers' mistakes at a checkpoint that resulted in the killing of an Iraqi family.

But most of the reports sent back by those embedded reporters were either human-interest stories about the troops or boosterish narration of the grand advance of troops, with little attention to the gruesome realities of war suffered by the Iraqi people.

Embedding

National Public Radio reporter John Burnett said he was enthusiastic about the system at first, but later described embedding as "a flawed experiment that served the purposes of the military more than it served the cause of balanced journalism".

"During my travels with the marines, I couldn't shake the sense that we were cheerleaders on the team bus," he said.

While the embedded reporting was often dramatic, it did little to help people understand the meaning of the war. For example, a breathless Walter Rodgers on CNN told viewers: "The pictures you're seeing are absolutely phenomenal. These are live pictures of the 7th Cavalry racing across the desert. You've never seen battlefield pictures like these before. What you're watching here is truly historic television and journalism."

Such scenes were historic television. Indeed, real-time broadcasts from the front were new. But it was hardly historic journalism. It was, in fact, mostly state propaganda filtered through a friendly media that rarely could think outside the framework offered by the US civilian and military authorities.

No Diversity

One function of journalism is to give citizens access to the widest possible range of opinion in the society, so that people can test their own views and come to informed political judgments. In the months leading up to the war, the US media failed miserably at this task.

On television, current military officers were typically "balanced" with retired military officers, while current Republican State Department officials squared off against former Democratic State Department officials - all of whom shared the same fundamental assumptions.

Virtually no guests were allowed who challenged the basic framework of the Bush administration. A study by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting noted that 76% of the guests on network talk shows in late January and early February 2003 were current or former officials, and that anti-war sources accounted for less than one per cent.



President Bush answering questions
on Iraq during a televised interview


Fred Hiatt, editor of the Washington Post's editorial page, defended this narrow range of opinion, saying: "Through much of the fall [of 2002], the debate wasn't really 'anti-war' versus 'pro-war', as the lopsided congressional vote back then suggests; it was what is the right way to approach this problem. I think we offered as wide a range of opinion on that question as any newspaper."

That comment is typical of the narrowness of the US commercial media. There was, of course, a debate raging all over the world. There also was a vibrant anti-war movement in the US that was tapping into domestic anger at, and fear of, administration policies.

Hiatt's citing of the congressional debate indicates just how limited is his vision; if Democrats and Republicans in Congress agree that war is inevitable, then why would there be any reason to consider other opinions?

Hundreds of thousands of people in the US, and as many as 10 million worldwide, took to the streets on 15 February 2003, to express those opinions. Not only were those people mostly ignored in news stories, but their critique was largely shut out of the mainstream media's channels.

Enduring problem

The paradox of US journalism is that a press which operates free of direct governmental control produces news that routinely reproduces the conventional wisdom of a narrow power elite. Coverage of the Iraq war highlights two of the key reasons.

First, the majority of US journalists are unable to transcend the limiting effects of the ideology of American exceptionalism - the notion that the United States is the ultimate embodiment of democracy and goes forward in the world as a benevolent champion of freedom, not as another great power looking to expand its influence around the world.

Uncritical acceptance of this ideology permeates mainstream US coverage; even 'critical' reporting usually tends to take it as a given.

Official sources

Second, journalists are trapped by the routines of "objective journalism", the most central of which is the slavish reliance on "official sources".


Mark Kimmitt (L) and Dan Senor
take questions from the press

This gives powerful people in the government and corporate worlds (and the intellectuals in the think tanks and universities who mostly serve those powers) the ability not just to comment on the news but to define what is considered news and to frame it.

The consequences of these two forces on news coverage of US foreign policy, military affairs, and wars are predictable: The free press becomes little more than a conduit for state propaganda, unable to act in truly independent fashion.

Rather than simply replicate the Bush administration's framework about the war that both Republicans and most "respectable" Democrats accept, journalists - if they were performing their function in a democracy as a critical, independent source of news and analysis - would have at least considered an alternative explanation:

To deepen and extend US control over - not direct ownership of, but effective control over - the crucial energy resources of the Middle East, the Bush administration shortly after taking office settled on regime change in Iraq.

The events of 9/11 made pursuing such a war easier, but a rationale was still needed to invade Iraq and establish a client state. Alleged WMD threats became the centrepiece of the argument, as administration officials dealt in distortions, half-truths and out-and-out lies to scare the public.

After the war, the focus on intelligence failures diverted from key questions: Should the US be able to prosecute a war of conquest in violation of international law; run an occupation authority that ignores its legal and moral responsibilities to rebuild the country it destroyed in two wars and through a dozen years of economic sanctions; and manipulate the political process to ensure that a future Iraqi government will subordinate itself to the US?

That is a more accurate and compelling way to understand the war. Unfortunately, most US journalists continue to read from the Bush administration’s script.
Womblingdon
28-04-2004, 18:05
All that this article boils down to is the writer saying "I don't like the narrative the news uses. Why don't they use mine instead?"

Besides, he misses the obvious fact that American media is not the only one avaliable. Any Westerner can by the mere switch of channels or click of a computer mouse access a widest range of sources, from Fox News to Al-Jazeera and Jihad Unspan.
Maronam
28-04-2004, 18:31
All that this article boils down to is the writer saying "I don't like the narrative the news uses. Why don't they use mine instead?"

How in the world could you possibly have drawn that conclusion from that article??

The premise that the article is:

"Before, during and after the war, mainstream commercial journalists have failed to provide the critical analysis, independent reporting, and the diverse range of opinions necessary for the American public to evaluate the Bush administration’s claims about the war. "

Which is stongly supported throughout the article, by statements like:

"Analysis left wanting

The term "intelligence failures" does a lot of political heavy lifting for the president, implying that the false claim that Iraq had WMD is a result of a failure in the intelligence community rather than careful planning in the White House.

By framing the issue as a question of intelligence failures, not political propaganda, the Bush people hope to divert attention from the fact that they lied. Unfortunately, the vast majority of mainstream commercial journalists in the US fell - or chose to fall - into the administration’s trap."



Besides, he misses the obvious fact that American media is not the only one avaliable. Any Westerner can by the mere switch of channels or click of a computer mouse access a widest range of sources, from Fox News to Al-Jazeera and Jihad Unspan.

Why should that be an excuse for poor journalism in our own country?
Stephistan
28-04-2004, 18:35
All that this article boils down to is the writer saying "I don't like the narrative the news uses. Why don't they use mine instead?"

Besides, he misses the obvious fact that American media is not the only one avaliable. Any Westerner can by the mere switch of channels or click of a computer mouse access a widest range of sources, from Fox News to Al-Jazeera and Jihad Unspan.

I don't believe you understood what the author of the article is trying to say at all.
Big Melon
28-04-2004, 18:37
A good book I read about journalism for my J201 class was The Elements of Journalism by Bill Kovach and Ted Rosentstiel. They believe that US journalism has failed, and that they need to get back to the essential principles, the elements, in order for it to suceed.

It's a good read if anyone is interested in this stuff.
Incertonia
28-04-2004, 18:47
I find it interesting that in the run up to the war in Iraq, I, a grad student in Creative Writing at the time, had a strong suspicion that Bush and his administration were full of crap, and so did an awful lot of people who protested the action. Yet the news media as a whole never did any serious investigation of the Bush administration's claims. Neither did most of Congress, much to their discredit. But if we look back at it, the warning signs were there all along.
Tactical Grace
28-04-2004, 18:48
An excellent example of the failure of journalism:

A few minutes ago, I watched a FOX News segment on their website about American deserters turning up in Canada. The anchor said that the Canadians had better hand them back, or else there would be consequences, because America could, and would be entitled to, since it is a "hostile act" which threatens the US military, damage the Canadian economy in retaliation.

This is the failure of journalism. When a news network uses its broadcasts to issue open political threats to foreign governments, instead of saying "Deserters seek asylum in Canada, Washington concerned."

News networks are supposed to give the facts, not make political statements, particularly on the international arena. Where this rule is broken, the news media has failed.
Incertonia
28-04-2004, 18:57
Fox is becoming increasingly a joke as far as actual news is concerned, but they've done the most damage to tv journalism in the US. They've slashed their actual news gathering budget and fill their "news" shows with pontificating blowhards disguised as "analysts" who are supposed to give their opinions. They don't break stories. They don't report news. What they do is make money, because even paying morons like Hannity and Colmes huge salaries is offset by not spending money on overseas bureaus or on investigative journalism.
Tactical Grace
28-04-2004, 19:05
Fox is becoming increasingly a joke as far as actual news is concerned, but they've done the most damage to tv journalism in the US. They've slashed their actual news gathering budget and fill their "news" shows with pontificating blowhards disguised as "analysts" who are supposed to give their opinions. They don't break stories. They don't report news. What they do is make money, because even paying morons like Hannity and Colmes huge salaries is offset by not spending money on overseas bureaus or on investigative journalism.
They're doing serious damage to America's image abroad too. FOX News is just as bad as al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya are accused of being, because that lot says one thing about Americans, and the Arab world tunes into FOX and sees little else but confirmation. A while ago, some people in the Bush Administration tried to "re-brand" America and get its message across in a more constructive way, but outfits like FOX News undermine such attempts, because its coverage basically confirms half the stereotypes peddled in the Middle East. Which, as FOX itself never ceases to point out, is supposed to be costing lives. What a bitter irony.
Incertonia
28-04-2004, 19:19
I saw Jon Stewart in an interview refer to Fox News as the Bush administration's Al-Jazeerah and I spewed my coffee all over the place.

The point I was trying to make above and that I realize I failed to finish off is that as a result of Fox's cost-cutting and simultaneous rise to the top of the ratings ladder, other news networks have been forced by their corporate heads to follow suit. The end result is that a media that was barely doing their jobs 20 years ago is now hamstrung and even more dependent on handouts from the White House to have anything to report.
Tactical Grace
28-04-2004, 19:33
The end result is that a media that was barely doing their jobs 20 years ago is now hamstrung and even more dependent on handouts from the White House to have anything to report.
I get FOX News through Sky, and because the US advertising and local news spots get edited out, 25 minutes of every hour is weather news running on a loop. And much of the content that does get shown is book reviews and discussions about whether some celebrity's angered wife should stand by her man or leave. The actual news content is literally a few minutes, which are spent giving a quick summary dumbed down to farcical levels, followed by some pundit or even an anchor making threatening remarks about whoever. It's not news journalism by any standard that most people would recognise.
The Great Leveller
28-04-2004, 19:57
The end result is that a media that was barely doing their jobs 20 years ago is now hamstrung and even more dependent on handouts from the White House to have anything to report.
I get FOX News through Sky, and because the US advertising and local news spots get edited out, 25 minutes of every hour is weather news running on a loop. And much of the content that does get shown is book reviews and discussions about whether some celebrity's angered wife should stand by her man or leave. The actual news content is literally a few minutes, which are spent giving a quick summary dumbed down to farcical levels, followed by some pundit or even an anchor making threatening remarks about whoever. It's not news journalism by any standard that most people would recognise.

Something I have noticed to. I find it annoying, but then again we've had it easy with channels with no commercial breaks TG. However I love it when Pat Tilman (http://tagmad.com/pix/uploads/dyke/foxs_view_of_the_bbc.wmv) comes on. I never fail to find him (scarily) amusing.
Tactical Grace
28-04-2004, 23:43
However I love it when Pat Tilman (http://tagmad.com/pix/uploads/dyke/foxs_view_of_the_bbc.wmv) comes on. I never fail to find him (scarily) amusing.
:lol: The guy is lying so hard there, FOX News could have been sued for libel. Half of what he's saying is patently false. :roll:
The Black Forrest
29-04-2004, 02:15
Wow Steph is posting an article about another fault of America. :shock:

Who would have thought. :wink:

Wombli is correct in his statement for one simple thing. The author is talking about the press of 30 years ago, when we actually had investigative reporting. Remember the Washington Post and Watergate?

Most of American media is now a corporation. So the direct desire is money. Hate to tell you people that cry left-winged media people; it's still about money.

If they take a left stance, it seems that both left and right still read/watch their efforts.

Investigative Journalism is pretty well dead now. If it means law suits or lost ad revenue, the story isn't going to air. For example, the San Jose Mercury had started a 12 point piece about who Auto Row rips you off, they got to the second article and the story was killed. The dealers pulled their ads.

I have seen other shows were stories were killed because of reprecussions.

As to the military and the news media? They were doing what any other army in the world would do. Combat is ugly. Combat makes women, children, and old people die. If you are fighting a war, the fastest way to make things go bad, is the media reporting such events.

The US learned that lesson from Viet Nam.

Wombli is totally correct to suggest reviewing other news outlets. Because the media doesn't always present the facts.

For example, Al Jazeria dropped the defiant stance of the murdered Italian("Let me show you how an Italian dies" ) and only presented the speech on why he was killed. They did it for a reason. It was powerful. There were many Italians against the war who have softened their stance because of their heroic countryman!

The media can be powerful.

You want the "truth" don't let the news be controlled by corporations.

Oh and fox news is not a news agency. I believe the term I heard was "Infotainment" ;)

For the record. I tend to read the Washington Post for internal US stuff as they tend to bash everybody.

World events? You have to go with the BBC.
29-04-2004, 04:39
btw, i saw that John Stewart episode, fucking genius
I recently saw the movie the corporation and within it, they had an interview with ex fox journalists who got fired after refusing to supress an article about hwo Monsanto's growth hormones in cows were causing all sorts of nasty diseases.

Look at the big issue the media is attacking the Bush admnistration on, his vietnam record. Not the Cheney energy task force, not how this war was perpetuated, not how the economy is in the shitter, not guantanmo, not the patriot act, not plan columbia (which will continue no matter who is president), not all these other things, but his fricking vietnam record. WHO FUCKING CARES
The Black Forrest
29-04-2004, 04:46
Look at the big issue the media is attacking the Bush admnistration on, his vietnam record. Not the Cheney energy task force, not how this war was perpetuated, not how the economy is in the shitter, not guantanmo, not the patriot act, not plan columbia (which will continue no matter who is president), not all these other things, but his fricking vietnam record. WHO f--- CARES

Well.... I think the Repubs opened the door for that one when they started going after Kerry on the protests.

As to Cheney and the energy task force. Well justified. Especially with the BS and Californias "power outages"

They do talk about the economy struggling.

Gitmo is not something many care about.

The patriot act is getting argued as several parts are up for renew.

Again for his record? Well he opened that up with playing the conqurering general shot with the aircraft carrier.

AWOL is an issue. As I said in another post, one of my great-uncles went AWOL for 3 days to visit his girl(my future aunt) and he was severly repremanded for it.

He supposed disappeared for a year.......
Xenophobialand
29-04-2004, 05:03
An excellent example of the failure of journalism:

A few minutes ago, I watched a FOX News segment on their website about American deserters turning up in Canada. The anchor said that the Canadians had better hand them back, or else there would be consequences, because America could, and would be entitled to, since it is a "hostile act" which threatens the US military, damage the Canadian economy in retaliation.

This is the failure of journalism. When a news network uses its broadcasts to issue open political threats to foreign governments, instead of saying "Deserters seek asylum in Canada, Washington concerned."

News networks are supposed to give the facts, not make political statements, particularly on the international arena. Where this rule is broken, the news media has failed.

I don't know if I'd call it a "failure". FOX has some of the most hilarious stuff on television, even more so because it's all done unintentionally.

Like the other day, I woke up to hear archconservative Charles Krauthammer on the news program, specifically his ideas about how to solve the problem of violence in Iraq.

His solution (and no, I am not making this up): As most of the problem is because of the Sunni Muslims, what we should do is simply turn the Shiite and Kurdish majority against them and let them do our work for us.

Possible Problems with this approach:

1) If it does work, it turns the Iraqi insurgent war into an interstate religious war between Sunni and Shiite Muslims throughout the Middle East.

2) Possible consequences like, oh, genocide perhaps?

3) Our greatest enemy at the moment is Sadr. Sadr, interestingly enough, is a. . .well, crap, he's a Shiite cleric.

So much for that plan. The only reason why I was afraid instead of laughing (the proper response to most anything vented by Krauthammer), is because he seems to be taken seriously by many people.
New Auburnland
29-04-2004, 05:23
this may be off subject (but it relates to the original topic). Journalism in its self is a failure. Nothing can be perfect. Just ask the BBC or Chosun Ilbo who mis-identified the North Korean train wreck last week.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/nk-image4.jpg

The Chosun Ilbo (a Korean paper) used footage of a bomb blast in Iraq for their film and photographs of the train wreck, saying they were satellite photos of the wreck site.

Notice that it is the same picture of satellite photo from 09 APR 2003 from a US satellite over Iraq.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/dg_baghdad_9apr03_1.jpg

The BBC placed the town of the train wreck in central DPRK when it should be 12 miles from the Chinese boarder.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/bbc_ryongchon-blast-baghdad.jpg

In all fairness, the Assies fuck ed it up too. The caption for the image on this webpage ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/herald-sun_ryongchon.jpg ) of the Australian Herald Sun website appears to mistake a darker area of the satellite image near the railroad tracks for the actual blaze caused by the explosion.

And Steph, Canada is lucky they don't have a news agency worth a shit, because I am sure they would have followed either the BBC's or Assies lead and fucked up the story, and you can bet that if they did, I woud have pointed it out.
Graustarke
29-04-2004, 05:24
I believe that what is seen is a general failure in the world's news media, not just in the U.S. If fair reporting is simply reporting the facts with opinion and bias limited to 'Editorial' sections then I have yet to experience this form of media.

News media constructs their stories to evoke emotion and interest often at the expense of truth and fact. That is where the art of journalism comes into play. It is the graceful and artistic molding of fact into a story that makes a point while maintaining the truth of the event.

It seems that in general, the media has replaced the truth with the truth they want to convey for any number of reasons. I really do not want to have others think for me or interpret events for me. Provide the basics, some background information as a setup, and let the reader/listener/viewer make the determination of the 'truth'.
Slap Happy Lunatics
29-04-2004, 05:26
Fox is becoming increasingly a joke as far as actual news is concerned, but they've done the most damage to tv journalism in the US. They've slashed their actual news gathering budget and fill their "news" shows with pontificating blowhards disguised as "analysts" who are supposed to give their opinions. They don't break stories. They don't report news. What they do is make money, because even paying morons like Hannity and Colmes huge salaries is offset by not spending money on overseas bureaus or on investigative journalism.

Neil Cavuto is the only saving grace at Fox News. The rest is a television version of talk radio or fluff pieces. On the other hand CNN is hardly a reliable source. They have the resources out in the field but their reporting is hardly balanced and informative when it comes to the diverse spectrum of world views.

Mr. Jensen's article clearly highlights the issue of failed journalism. It is critical because the majority of Americans do not spend the time to consult diverse sources or to spend the time researching the issues at hand. Work, raising children, maintaing a marriage, etc. consume the average American's time. The networks six/eleven o'clock news is their window on the world and by and large it is fluff with about 7 minutes of internationl/national news headline reading and sound bites. This is mostly myopic reporting of the pablum served up by the government. No anaylsis, a very narrowly selected group of "experts" serve up the same preconceived notions.

The entire embedding issue he raised parallels my thinking on the subject. A journalist gets too closely involved with the day to day actions of the unit. This reduces the objectivity of the journalist via a Stockholm Syndrome like process. The journalist is dependent on the soldiers for their very survival. Each event draws the journalist into a deeper bond with the unit. Quickly, objectivity is lost.


I could go on and on but it is late & I am tired. My bottom line conclusion of this matter is that we are ill served by the American media. I do not necessarily agree with all Mr. Jensen's political conclusions and statements, some of which appear to be hypothetical. But none the less, this is a solid indictment of the American media. I won't hold my breath since this has been going on predating my birth.

Thankfully we have forums like this where we can present a broader range of views and debate the pressing issues of the day.

:shock:
Jay W
29-04-2004, 05:26
Fox is becoming increasingly a joke as far as actual news is concerned, but they've done the most damage to tv journalism in the US. They've slashed their actual news gathering budget and fill their "news" shows with pontificating blowhards disguised as "analysts" who are supposed to give their opinions. They don't break stories. They don't report news. What they do is make money, because even paying morons like Hannity and Colmes huge salaries is offset by not spending money on overseas bureaus or on investigative journalism.Just because we wouldn't want anything hidden from the American Public by publishing it in small print.
New Auburnland
29-04-2004, 05:53
The title of this thread needs to be "The Failure of Journalism."

Limiting shitty journalism to the only US is a mistake.
Tuesday Heights
29-04-2004, 06:44
I love US journalism. It's better than ANY entertainment channel out there. :lol:
Incertonia
29-04-2004, 06:59
I get FOX News through Sky, and because the US advertising and local news spots get edited out, 25 minutes of every hour is weather news running on a loop. And much of the content that does get shown is book reviews and discussions about whether some celebrity's angered wife should stand by her man or leave. The actual news content is literally a few minutes, which are spent giving a quick summary dumbed down to farcical levels, followed by some pundit or even an anchor making threatening remarks about whoever. It's not news journalism by any standard that most people would recognise.I didn't realize that was the case. I only recently learned that Fox News runs a barebones news operation worldwide, even though I suspected it. That just furthers my belief that Fox has done perhaps irreparable damage to the world of journalism.
Briandom
29-04-2004, 07:04
Journalists give the people what they want. If not, nobody would read the paper/watch that news channel, etc., and they would fail. US journalism follows the same rules of capitalism that everyone else does.
Sdaeriji
29-04-2004, 07:05
Fox is becoming increasingly a joke as far as actual news is concerned, but they've done the most damage to tv journalism in the US. They've slashed their actual news gathering budget and fill their "news" shows with pontificating blowhards disguised as "analysts" who are supposed to give their opinions. They don't break stories. They don't report news. What they do is make money, because even paying morons like Hannity and Colmes huge salaries is offset by not spending money on overseas bureaus or on investigative journalism.Just because we wouldn't want anything hidden from the American Public by publishing it in small print.

The point is that Hannity is such a huge presence on that show while Colmes is a quiet and reserved yes man. Hence the small print.
Incertonia
29-04-2004, 07:13
I was just repeating the Franken joke from his book, but I suspect Jay knew that.
Sdaeriji
29-04-2004, 07:14
I was just repeating the Franken joke from his book, but I suspect Jay knew that.

I don't ever give him the benefit of the doubt. I figured I'd explain anyway, in case he hadn't read the book or didn't get the joke.
Texastambul
29-04-2004, 08:07
Look -- The Washington Times is run by a psychotic cult leader, ABC and FOX hire Government Spokesmen and CNN was set-up by an eccentric NWO goon!

Journalism or Propaganda?
Incertonia
29-04-2004, 08:09
Look -- The Washington Post is run by a psychotic cult leader, ABC and FOX hire Government Spokesmen and CNN was set-up by an eccentric NWO goon!

Journalism or Propaganda?The Washington Times is the one that's run by the psycho cult leader. Every network hires government spokesmen, and Ted Turner has nothing to do with the day to day at CNN anymore. Fact is, when he was in charge, it was a better news network.
Texastambul
29-04-2004, 08:15
Every network hires government spokesmen


Then it's even worse...

Specifically, I was referring to Fox News hiring Oliver (Iran-Contra felon) North and ABC hiring George (Clinton's mouth-piece) Stephanopoulos as News-Men
Incertonia
29-04-2004, 08:16
Every network hires government spokesmen


Then it's even worse...

Specifically, I was referring to Fox News hiring Oliver (Iran-Contra felon) North and ABC hiring George (Clinton's mouth-piece) Stephanopoulos as News-MenEvery network has a dozen "analysts" who were connected to the government at one time or another, whether through the military or in other capacities.
New Auburnland
29-04-2004, 08:17
Look -- The Washington Post is run by a psychotic cult leader, ABC and FOX hire Government Spokesmen and CNN was set-up by an eccentric NWO goon!

Journalism or Propaganda?The Washington Times is the one that's run by the psycho cult leader. Every network hires government spokesmen, and Ted Turner has nothing to do with the day to day at CNN anymore. Fact is, when he was in charge, it was a better news network.
more proof that liberals think they know what they are talking about, but they really don't.
Incertonia
29-04-2004, 08:18
Look -- The Washington Post is run by a psychotic cult leader, ABC and FOX hire Government Spokesmen and CNN was set-up by an eccentric NWO goon!

Journalism or Propaganda?The Washington Times is the one that's run by the psycho cult leader. Every network hires government spokesmen, and Ted Turner has nothing to do with the day to day at CNN anymore. Fact is, when he was in charge, it was a better news network.
more proof that liberals think they know what they are talking about, but they really don't.I know you're not talking about me, NA, and I'm as liberal as you'll find around here.
Texastambul
29-04-2004, 08:20
more proof that liberals think they know what they are talking about, but they really don't.

Just so we're all on the same page, how do you define liberal ?
imported_1248B
29-04-2004, 08:22
Journalists give the people what they want. If not, nobody would read the paper/watch that news channel, etc., and they would fail. US journalism follows the same rules of capitalism that everyone else does.

So you really believe that the people like to be lied to? I bet that if the truth were to be made known they'd draw a much larger crowd.

Fact is that too many journalists/media channels have sold out, afraid as they are of upsetting anyone and as a consequence endanger their job/standing.

Fact is that US Media is owned by those who use that same media to further their own agenda.

Where once journalism meant sticking your neck out to present the truth, no matter the cost, now it seems to be just another desk job/enterprice resolved around making $$$. As a consequence they have lost all integrity and have become paycheck whores.:(

Of course, there still is journalism that is worthy of being be called journalism, but its getting harder to find. Instead we now have a huge propaganda machine. Which seems very fitting seeing what the current US regime is like.