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Think about it, it makes perfect sense. Oh and for all of you who accused Spain of giving into Al Qaeda, if you vote for Bush in November, you'll be doing the same thing that you accused Spain of doing.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-4-2004_pg3_4

So....KERRY is supposed to be elected if we want to disapoint Al-Qaeda in return for 4 years of a possible hell?

Al queda has the exact same agenda as Bush so of course theyd be allies and they both hated Saddam

So....KERRY is supposed to be elected if we want to disapoint Al-Qaeda in return for 4 years of a possible hell?

Read the article.. if Kerry is elected, he's already said he would seek more international help and bridge the conflicts with traditional allies.. Kerry if elected doesn't have the neo-con dream.. he will put all efforts into the real threat, Al Qaeda, he's also said that too. If you were Al Qaeda, who would you want in office? The guy the world hates and isn't even hardly focused on you any more, or the guy who the world doesn't hate and might be able to bring the international community together (Which Bush has proved he can't do) and focus on Al Qaeda.. it's not rocket science, think about it for a minute.

:lol: This is most grand.. Bush does bad job and crushing bin ladin and his goons, so they endorse him in hopes of them leading a successful existance (or at least 4 year term).

Interesting op-ed.

Some things to consider. You are reading an American Muslim writing in an English paper for Pakistan.

Who is the article aimed at? English is not he dominant language of Pakistan.

Some ramblings to consider:

1) My work mate just returned from a long vist/vacation from Pakistan and guess what he had to say? The majority of the people there could care less about the war on terror and the fact that the US is in Iraq.

There are some grafitee and he did hear some arguing but on the whole the people are more concerned about their lives then Iraq.

2) We don't know what Al-Q thinks. The opinions are that of the writer. It could very well be they want to endorse the Shrub because they know their name is really hated in the US. You won't see a major attack on the US till after the elections as I think they want him gone.

3) Having been in the Intelligence world, I can tell you that even with all the political name calling that goes on, they still trade info. Spain was not expecting an attack. If you remember they thought it was the Basaques at first.

4) Was it even Al-Q that did Spain? They say they did, but how do you verify?

Having listened to damn I just blanked on his name but he is the guy that has done major research on Al-Q. He said that Al-Q rarely plans for events. They set a schedule and when stuff happens, it happens. Spain was not a "normal" run for them so was it really Al-Q?

5) Europe and the US were friendly with Clinton and yet Al-Q was at their stongest with all the said unilateralism.

6) Anti-Americanism is not that rampet. I travel and I don't see it.

7) The shrub at least has taken the fight to several places. A sustained fight is not something they can handle, especially if their leaders keep getting killed.

Hamas has had several major leaders killed and all they have not been able to respond so well.

8) Under the shrub I have heard more about groups being broken up and attacks prevented then we have had in previous years.

9) UN unilateralism only seems to work for countries that have some money. I haven't seen the UN go into countries to flush out terrorist camps(There are many in Africa).

10) The talk on the streets of Pakistan is that Kerry will screw Pakistan. Things have been improving there since the shrub started giving them money again. The fundis would gain from the money getting cut.

11) The first time the trade towers were hit, what was the response of the world?

12) Libya. People can argue that it was only the Brits. They did the negotiating. But considering how trigger happy the shrub has shown himself. Libya is a nice small country to "correct" in an election year. Mommar is not a stupid man and leaped at the chance. Libya can't be attakced no matter what the shrub wants after all WMD was admitted and given up to an outside authority. Pretty damn smart political move.

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?

lmao!

-Z-

If Kerry is elected, it will be much harder for Al Qaeda and other terrorists to keep so much international support as they enjoy now. Kerry will certainly not be so universally regarded as a bad guy in the Muslim world, so continued terrorist attacks against America won't be so easily seen as justifiable jihad.

If I were American I'd feel much safer under Kerry.

If Kerry is elected, it will be much harder for Al Qaeda and other terrorists to keep so much international support as they enjoy now. Kerry will certainly not be so universally regarded as a bad guy in the Muslim world, so continued terrorist attacks against America won't be so easily seen as justifiable jihad.

If I were American I'd feel much safer under Kerry.

What support is that?

They have Fundis going to them. Maybe a few moderates but as a whole? Doubtful, people tend to be worried about their own lives as suggested in my Pakistan comments earlier.

Keep in mind what are Al-Q's goals. Kerry will not make them go away.

Old news.

al quedas membership roles quadrupled as a result of Bushs recruitment efforts--Bush works overtime to convert moderate arabs into terrorists--Bush even snubbed the students in Iran who were fighting for democracy resulting in a victory for hardliners in the election

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al quedas membership roles quadrupled as a result of Bushs recruitment efforts--Bush works overtime to convert moderate arabs into terrorists--Bush even snubbed the students in Iran who were fighting for democracy resulting in a victory for hardliners in the election

State the source of your numbers.

As Al-Q is so highly secretive I would be curious to how they think that.....

Iran can't be helped to a Democracy. It will happen on it's own. Already the hardliners are loosing hold. If you turn back the clocks to the 70's, when ever you saw protests, you saw young and old.

Before the Iraq invastion, you only saw 35+ year olds so they are not getting the young into the fold anymore.

In fact I listened to a BBC report where the reporter found the young sneaking to the hills above Tehran to listen to music and party.

Not exactly the hard line view.

If the US "busied" itself with Iran, it would only guarantee the hardliners holding on to power.

Think about it, it makes perfect sense. Oh and for all of you who accused Spain of giving into Al Qaeda, if you vote for Bush in November, you'll be doing the same thing that you accused Spain of doing.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-4-2004_pg3_4

Man, this must have made front pages of the opinion section.

Let's see... al-Qaeda endorses President Bush in the hopes that people don't vote for him. Kerry gets elected and stops killing al-Qaeda members. Sounds like a good plan on their part.

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?


They are business partners...
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

In fact, Bush Sr. and bin Laden's older brother were dining together on September 11th, 2001: discussing all of the new contracts they would make off of the ensuing war on Terror!

Never forget that Bush's CIA created al-Qa'ida in the first place.

Think about it, it makes perfect sense. Oh and for all of you who accused Spain of giving into Al Qaeda, if you vote for Bush in November, you'll be doing the same thing that you accused Spain of doing.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-4-2004_pg3_4
After reading the article, I couldn't agree more. In a lot of my posts regarding the war in Iraq, I have suggested that the US invasion has led to MORE terrorist attacks, and would continue to do so. By Bush attacking Iraq, the US is NOT focused on enemy # 1, and that gives Bin Laden breathing room to plan more attacks.

I would seriously hope that Kerry, if elected would patch over Iraq as best as possible and concentrate on Bin Laden, as well as focus on the struggling US economy. The other key would be for the US to re-establish a closer tie with her traditional allies and reign in the negativity that the US has created with Bush as leader.

Hopefully, it will be Bush and Blair bubbye!!

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?


They are business partners...
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

In fact, Bush Sr. and bin Laden's older brother were dining together on September 11th, 2001: discussing all of the new contracts they would make off of the ensuing war on Terror!

Never forget that Bush's CIA created al-Qa'ida in the first place.

wasnt Osamas CIA codename Tim Osmond?

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?


They are business partners...
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

In fact, Bush Sr. and bin Laden's older brother were dining together on September 11th, 2001: discussing all of the new contracts they would make off of the ensuing war on Terror!

Never forget that Bush's CIA created al-Qa'ida in the first place.
Here is another article done by the CBC here in Canada, about the Bush bin Laden ties:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

I watched part of it on TV and found it quite fascinating, although some of the theories are a bit of a stretch, the family ties is quite credible.

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?


They are business partners...
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

In fact, Bush Sr. and bin Laden's older brother were dining together on September 11th, 2001: discussing all of the new contracts they would make off of the ensuing war on Terror!

Never forget that Bush's CIA created al-Qa'ida in the first place.

But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks? 'Tis the false light of delusion and Texastambul doth spread it wide in his mirth.

If this purported Machiavellian manipulation is to be believed it should at least line up with the prevailing conspiracy theories. Since Bush caused/allowed the attacks would he not have had his ducks lined up well in advance? These statement have a strong odor which no man can abidith yet so green the grass they make. All hail the bull whose leavings enrich us.

:shock:

Stephistan has turned into The Red Arrow! It's the end of the world! [Runs away with panties over his head]

So a vote for Bush is a vote for Osama?


They are business partners...
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

In fact, Bush Sr. and bin Laden's older brother were dining together on September 11th, 2001: discussing all of the new contracts they would make off of the ensuing war on Terror!

Never forget that Bush's CIA created al-Qa'ida in the first place.

But, soft! what light through yonder window breaks? 'Tis the false light of delusion and Texastambul doth spread it wide in his mirth.

If this purported Machiavellian manipulation is to be believed it should at least line up with the prevailing conspiracy theories. Since Bush caused/allowed the attacks would he not have had his ducks lined up well in advance? These statement have a strong odor which no man can abidith yet so green the grass they make. All hail the bull whose leavings enrich us.

:shock:
in what way dont the ducks line up?

I agree with stephistan and them. The neo-con and al-q projects line up nicely. Al-Q and Bin Laden would love to see bush relected. And they will do all they can to see it happen. They want to convince the people of the States that there is a serious threat that must be dealt with. I wouldn't be in teh slightest bit surprised to see another terrorist attack on US soil. I doubt it will be as big as 9/11, but does it have to be? The balls already rolling.

I wouldn't be in teh slightest bit surprised to see another terrorist attack on US soil. I doubt it will be as big as 9/11, but does it have to be? The balls already rolling.

There have already been two bio-chem attacks on congress...
now the PNAC has stacked the cards in their favor for another attack on congress... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3652169.stm

when the attack comes, remember who has the most to gain...

Steph may have beat The Red Arrow to the punch on this one, but The Red Arrow has done his usual wonderful job of adding just the right amount of punctuation.

Love the family ties argument. Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis. Just wonder how many other oil trading families know each other? I know I would never go into business with anyone I would want to know socially as well. That would just be a horrible business practice. :lol:

Steph may have beat The Red Arrow to the punch on this one, but The Red Arrow has done his usual wonderful job of adding just the right amount of punctuation.

Love the family ties argument. Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis. Just wonder how many other oil trading families know each other? I know I would never go into business with anyone I would want to know socially as well. That would just be a horrible business practice. :lol:

Hey Saul, if you vote for Bush, you're riding with bin Laden.. ;)

Steph may have beat The Red Arrow to the punch on this one, but The Red Arrow has done his usual wonderful job of adding just the right amount of punctuation.

Love the family ties argument. Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis. Just wonder how many other oil trading families know each other? I know I would never go into business with anyone I would want to know socially as well. That would just be a horrible business practice. :lol:

Hey Saul, if you vote for Bush, you're riding with bin Laden.. ;)
If that is so, then I must say:

Giddy up bin Laden. :P

Steph may have beat The Red Arrow to the punch on this one, but The Red Arrow has done his usual wonderful job of adding just the right amount of punctuation.

Love the family ties argument. Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis. Just wonder how many other oil trading families know each other? I know I would never go into business with anyone I would want to know socially as well. That would just be a horrible business practice. :lol:

Hey Saul, if you vote for Bush, you're riding with bin Laden.. ;)
If that is so, then I must say:

Giddy up bin Laden. :P

That's ok.. keep the man in power who has made your country the most hated on the planet..lol looks good on you.. Keep the fear.. be afraid.. whatever ;)

I know you from somewhere Steph, but I can't remember where... :Þ

Anyway, back to the topic. The article makes sense. Bush really is too busy trying to reorganize the world to go after the real bad guys, which of course would make Al-Qaeda happy.
However, I do not agree with the author's take on who would win the election if more attacks were to occur on Americans. He thinks that if more attacks happen then people will vote Bush instead of Kerry. I'm not so sure about the rest of you, but for me if the same president (and his staff) were to fail on national security that bad twice (or more) I would want him out. Then again I'm not American, but I still would not let him hang around any longer to keep screwing up.

Steph may have beat The Red Arrow to the punch on this one, but The Red Arrow has done his usual wonderful job of adding just the right amount of punctuation.

Love the family ties argument. Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis. Just wonder how many other oil trading families know each other? I know I would never go into business with anyone I would want to know socially as well. That would just be a horrible business practice. :lol:

Hey Saul, if you vote for Bush, you're riding with bin Laden.. ;)
If that is so, then I must say:

Giddy up bin Laden. :P

That's ok.. keep the man in power who has made your country the most hated on the planet..lol looks good on you.. Keep the fear.. be afraid.. whatever ;)That's the plan. Keep bin Laden afraid to move. Unless of course we put the opponent in who wants to lighten up on the attacks. Which would allow for the AL-Q guys the ability to reform and strengthen.

Imagine two families that both have global dealings in oil, and have for years, knowing each other on a social basis.

Yes, now imagine those families also having global dealings in the weapons and construction business.

Now imagine those families have ties to international terrorist organizations and the Central Intelligence Agency.

Would it then make sense that those agencies and organizations would create terror to advance their oil monopoly, weapons escalation, and rebuilding the buildings they destroy?

bumped for bushbots ;)

bumped for bushbots ;)

Bushbots are on the way!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1047736,00.html