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Today I had the privilege to see the Dalai Lama at the Skydome in Toronto.

http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/2004/04/25/lama040425

It was truly an awesome experience listening to one of the greatest spiritual leaders of our time. He is truly humble and suggested that he is but a "simple monk".

The topic of his address was "The Power of Compassion" and here are some of the tidbits of wisdom, regarding war:

"The destruction of your enemy is the destruction of yourself."
He stressed the need for dialogue to replace aggression. He said compassion, which brings about truth, is also the key to better international relations."

I especially liked this one:

"When you have truth, you have more self-confidence,"

Followed by:

"With self-confidence you can deal with any problem without losing hope."

He suggested that some world leaders needed to learn about "secular ethics" and to practice them.

His messages were uplifting and offered hope.

Dalai Lama Rocks!

I'm happy for you , you had a chance to meet him.. or see him live.. I wish he'd come to Ottawa.. :)

Peace,
Stephanie.

Wow. What a neat experience. He's definitely the ultimate wise man. I'd go see him if I had the chance.

i am so jealous.

Being a mahayana buddhist, i'd be so honored to see the Dalai Lama in person.
i'm crossing my fingers and hoping he comes south, as i'm in California.

Courtesy.

i am so jealous.

Being a mahayana buddhist, i'd be so honored to see the Dalai Lama in person.
i'm crossing my fingers and hoping he comes south, as i'm in California.

Courtesy.
Well I will tell you that I feel blessed being there to see him speak for sure, and I got to take away a more optimistic view of the world.

While he lamented that we have been destroying the earth, he suggests that more people are becoming aware of the environment and becoming more vocal about fixing the harms.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

I also saw HH the Dalai Lama speak, but many years ago. A truely great man.

And Dragons, unlike Nanavut, Tibet was an established nation when China invaded. They deserve to be free of the destructive boot heel of Beijing.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So you advocate the right of military conquest?

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So a people have no right to want independence if they are already part of a nation?

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So you advocate the right of military conquest?

I advocate nationalism. Tibet happens to be part of China. The world is full of military conquests.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So a people have no right to want independence if they are already part of a nation?
They were taken over by China. Tibet was independent before.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So you advocate the right of military conquest?

I advocate nationalism. Tibet happens to be part of China. The world is full of military conquests.

Tibet was independent and wants to be independent. Beijing can twist history all they want, but Tibet is not part of China. Ruled by China yes. Part of China, no.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?

Why shouldn't he be advocating Tibetan independence?

Because Tibet is a part of China. No point.

So a people have no right to want independence if they are already part of a nation?
They were taken over by China. Tibet was independent before.

I'm well aware, thank you.

I'm well aware, thank you.
Most humble apologies, I misread your post.

Tibet was taken over by the British from the Chinese in the 19th Century out of an imperialist move.

Tibet was taken over by the British from the Chinese in the 19th Century out of an imperialist move.

We know. But in the past, they have been independent. Why shouldn't they seek that independence again if they want it?

Tibet was taken over by the British from the Chinese in the 19th Century out of an imperialist move.

We know. But in the past, they have been independent. Why shouldn't they seek that independence again if they want it?

Suppose the Inuit and Native Americans want their independence. The Mayas, Aztecs and Incas want independence. What will you do?

Wrong century. Britan and China both tried to make Tibet into a protectorate for a few years early in the 20th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet#History

Tibet was taken over by the British from the Chinese in the 19th Century out of an imperialist move.

We know. But in the past, they have been independent. Why shouldn't they seek that independence again if they want it?

Suppose the Inuit and Native Americans want their independence. The Mayas, Aztecs and Incas want independence. What will you do?

Well, Mayan, Aztec, and Incan blood is so intermixed with Spanish blood now that it'd be virtually impossible to make a legitimate claim for their independence. But Native Americans have every much right to want independence as Tibetans do.

I advocate nationalism. Tibet happens to be part of China. The world is full of military conquests.
tibet shouldn't be part of china. it wasn't until the chinese deceided to come in and take the place over, destroying the land, the culture and lives. it's disgusting what has happened to tibet.
i read the dalai lama's bibliography and i cried when he described the plight of the tibetian people.

i wish i could have seen him. i live near toronto, but couldn't get down there and all that. it would have been nice to see him though.

You know, the Dalai Lama would be very sad to see you all arguing over this in a thread that was suppose to be started about his words of peace and hope. :cry:

Suppose the Inuit and Native Americans want their independence. The Mayas, Aztecs and Incas want independence. What will you do?

If they vote for it in a democratic process, they will get there own nation. But, they don't want it, so it's not of concern right now.

Tibet happened to have ceased being a nation when the Qing Dynasty invaded. That's, um, about 300 years ago.

300 years ago, I believe the transatlantic Slave Trade was at its height.

Dalai Lama Rocks!

I'm happy for you , you had a chance to meet him.. or see him live.. I wish he'd come to Ottawa.. :)

Peace,
Stephanie.

He was here on Saturday,
it was a very cool speech, even worth putting up with Alanis

Tibet happened to have ceased being a nation when the Qing Dynasty invaded. That's, um, about 300 years ago.

300 years ago, I believe the transatlantic Slave Trade was at its height.

??? Please try reading some history not written by Beijing.
Also I find it amusing that you are constantly harping Beijing's line that Japan is a resurgent militant but defending the PRC for doing exactly the same thing Japan tried to do.

Dalai Lama Rocks!

I'm happy for you , you had a chance to meet him.. or see him live.. I wish he'd come to Ottawa.. :)

Peace,
Stephanie.

He was here on Saturday,
it was a very cool speech, even worth putting up with Alanis

See, this is what I get for watching American news all the time..lol I didn't know.. darn it! :(

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?
On the other hand, Canada isn't subjecting the inuit from Nunavut to the widescale human rights abuses that China does.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?
On the other hand, Canada isn't subjecting the inuit from Nunavut to the widescale human rights abuses that China does.

Also, on the other hand, Nunavut is some what independent, given they're a territory, not a province.. so they are already some what independent to begin with..

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?
It's different, the level of human rights abuses perpetuated by the chinese government against the tibetan people do not compare.

I agree that he is a brilliant spiritual leader, but he shouldn't be advocating Tibetian independence. But then Beijing is paranoid about Dalai Lama. Can't blame them really. If Nunavut asked for independence, and the Inuit spiritual leader visited China, what would Canada do?
On the other hand, Canada isn't subjecting the inuit from Nunavut to the widescale human rights abuses that China does.

Also, on the other hand, Nunavut is some what independent, given they're a territory, not a province.. so they are already some what independent to begin with..
I didn't bring that up because of the Taiwan question. Taiwan has limited sovereignty but still deserves full independence.