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I do have information to justify the title but I'm too lazy to list them, and, to tell you the truth, I don't think there's enough room in the entire forum.


I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

I respect the opinions of all people, but when the radical right starts to take over the country, something needs to be done to stop them.

Will you vote in my place? If you're a Bush supporter, please ignore the previous request...

www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/political_links.html
Click the above for great leftist links!

Thanks
C-Bass

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In my humble opinion, Bush is a disaster for the US and the rest of us poor buggers. He seems unable to change his mind once decided, right or wrong and brings too much old testament values to American politics.
However, he is not a fool and he is not stupid. Those insults are wrong and pointless. This poor, wounded world needs a break from righteous smiting and avenging, let us hope that Kerry wins the next election, and let us hope he brings some new testament values to the great office of President of the United States.



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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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I agree with the topic title. :lol:

I'd hate to be negitive, but no.

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

Don't judge me based on my age. I know just as much about politics as you do.

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

Don't judge me based on my age. I know just as much about politics as you do.

Capsule Corporation being judgmental again huh.. :twisted:

Is he never on the horror taxi?

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

Don't judge me based on my age. I know just as much about politics as you do.

Capsule Corporation being judgmental again huh.. :twisted:

What can you expect from someone who defends Bushy?

Hey! Be nice.

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

He's got as much right to his opinion on this forum as you or I. And I've often noticed that younger posters speak with a lot of inate wisdom.



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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
-- John Lennon

Hey, I'm 13 as well. You just gotta earn your own respect here. I didn't reveal my age till a few weeks ago and people were shocked...SHOCKED!

But I do not fully agree with Bush not being a good President. He's done some very terrible things, but he's done some good things as well...mainly with defense :roll: ...

Although I do not agree with his position on gay marriage and how he lied to go to war with Iraq again, I still find him a better choice than John Kerry....who I really cannot understand

Dramatization of Kerry: "Yeah I voted for that. But I really didn't, but I did. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!"

Whoa! I'm older than Colodia.

Whoa! I'm older than Colodia.

I think 95% of the posters on General are older than me

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

C-Bass

The only thing worse than your situation is being 1 month too young to vote. :evil:

DP

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

C-Bass

The only thing worse than your situation is being 1 month too young to vote. :evil:
ouch.....fortunatly, I'll be old enough to vote in the 2008 elections

Hey, I'm 13 as well. You just gotta earn your own respect here. I didn't reveal my age till a few weeks ago and people were shocked...SHOCKED!

But I do not fully agree with Bush not being a good President. He's done some very terrible things, but he's done some good things as well...mainly with defense :roll: ...

Although I do not agree with his position on gay marriage and how he lied to go to war with Iraq again, I still find him a better choice than John Kerry....who I really cannot understand

Dramatization of Kerry: "Yeah I voted for that. But I really didn't, but I did. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!"

I'll map it out in a way you can understand.

Step 1: Kerry votes "yes"
Step 2: Bill is tweaked DRAMATICALLY
Step 3: Kerry votes "no"

None of you know me, so I don't expect you to understand me...

Don't judge me based upon my age. That's just not fair.

once again...go here...

www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/political_links.html

and

www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/bush.html
great anti-bush pics


to see me...

www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/pics.html

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

C-Bass

The only thing worse than your situation is being 1 month too young to vote. :evil:

Ahhh that is worse...I'll be able to vote in the next election though, and I'm VERY excited...only 4.5 more years...

I can't stand president Bush. The economy is in shambles, he's running the country into an insane amount of debt, and he tries to appeal to the religious community by bringing religion into his politics. And his stance of gay marriage and abortion are so moralistic it's sickening!

In short, if Kerry loses the election, I am going to pack up and move to Canada, despite the fact that I can't legally do that.

And how could you tell a 13 year old they don't know what they're talking about, when so many people who voted for dear old Bushie only put his name of the ballot because he was a Christian like them? Does age make them any more worthy to vote?

In all honestly, many kids have a much better grasp on the government than adults to. I'm only 14 myself, and I think I could hold my own in a political discussion better than many adults. The only reason I don't think children should be able to vote is because they would be more or less influenced by their parents, and thus people who drag their children to the polls would end up influencing the result unfairly.

In short, if Kerry loses the election, I am going to pack up and move to Canada, despite the fact that I can't legally do that.

Lot's of people say that but don't.

In my opinion, neither Kerry nor Bush is a good candidate. Neither one has:

A clear exit strategy for Iraq
Any idea how the federal budget should be managed. (luckily, Greenspan is a genius)
Any specific opinions about anything at all

All Kerry does is badmouth Bush.

All Bush does is mutilate the English language and repeat the same things over and over.

Wait, Kerry's repetitive too.

In conclusion, vote Nader, if he gets 6% of the popular vote, his party will recieve federal funding to run its campaign in 2008, and we will finally have a real third party.

Enough with the age thing, no one's gonna judge you so long as you don't go all "OmG! Hi AlL! A/s/L?"

That map is too broad. Anyone can get away with such a mapping out of the "facts."

But I'm no Anti-Kerry guy. I'm just open. In fact, I was pro-Kerry a few weeks ago. I'm an open guy like that.

In any case, I don't pay 100% attention to this election, seeing as how my good ol Edwards dropped out. At least...not until I see a Kerry-Edwards ticket! Then I'm Kerry all the way....

I can't stand president Bush. The economy is in shambles, he's running the country into an insane amount of debt, and he tries to appeal to the religious community by bringing religion into his politics. And his stance of gay marriage and abortion are so moralistic it's sickening!

In short, if Kerry loses the election, I am going to pack up and move to Canada, despite the fact that I can't legally do that.

And how could you tell a 13 year old they don't know what they're talking about, when so many people who voted for dear old Bushie only put his name of the ballot because he was a Christian like them? Does age make them any more worthy to vote?

In all honestly, many kids have a much better grasp on the government than adults to. I'm only 14 myself, and I think I could hold my own in a political discussion better than many adults. The only reason I don't think children should be able to vote is because they would be more or less influenced by their parents, and thus people who drag their children to the polls would end up influencing the result unfairly.

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Good for you son. Well said.



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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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I can't stand president Bush. The economy is in shambles, he's running the country into an insane amount of debt, and he tries to appeal to the religious community by bringing religion into his politics. And his stance of gay marriage and abortion are so moralistic it's sickening!

In short, if Kerry loses the election, I am going to pack up and move to Canada, despite the fact that I can't legally do that.

And how could you tell a 13 year old they don't know what they're talking about, when so many people who voted for dear old Bushie only put his name of the ballot because he was a Christian like them? Does age make them any more worthy to vote?

In all honestly, many kids have a much better grasp on the government than adults to. I'm only 14 myself, and I think I could hold my own in a political discussion better than many adults. The only reason I don't think children should be able to vote is because they would be more or less influenced by their parents, and thus people who drag their children to the polls would end up influencing the result unfairly.

I completely agree with you. Do you have AIM?

Good for you son. Well said.

Thanks. But for the record, I'm a girl.

And unfortunately, C-bass, I don't have AIM. I would download it, but it completely lags out my computer whenever I do.

In my opinion, neither Kerry nor Bush is a good candidate. Neither one has:

A clear exit strategy for Iraq
Any idea how the federal budget should be managed. (luckily, Greenspan is a genius)
Any specific opinions about anything at all

All Kerry does is badmouth Bush.

All Bush does is mutilate the English language and repeat the same things over and over.

Wait, Kerry's repetitive too.

In conclusion, vote Nader, if he gets 6% of the popular vote, his party will recieve federal funding to run its campaign in 2008, and we will finally have a real third party.

Voting Nader is exactly what will get Bush re-elected. Nader is being funded by Republicans! They know that the more votes Nader receives, the less votes Kerry receives.

Put simply...

A VOTE FOR NADER = A VOTE FOR BUSH

If President (and I use that term loosely) Bush is re-elected, I'm going to cry my eyes out, not only for my defeated party, but the well-being of the country.

I think it should be pointed out that the US citizens during the time of the US Civil War thought that Lincoln was a crazy President, undeserving of a 2nd term. Even some of his Generals thought bad of him.

Think about the future and the present. Think about the past as well. They all tie in. Lincoln's war against the rebels. Bush's war against terrorism. The future viewpoint of America.

Just thought I'd say something...

Good for you son. Well said.

Thanks. But for the record, I'm a girl.

And unfortunately, C-bass, I don't have AIM. I would download it, but it completely lags out my computer whenever I do.

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Sorry North.



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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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Enough with the age thing, no one's gonna judge you so long as you don't go all "OmG! Hi AlL! A/s/L?"

That map is too broad. Anyone can get away with such a mapping out of the "facts."

But I'm no Anti-Kerry guy. I'm just open. In fact, I was pro-Kerry a few weeks ago. I'm an open guy like that.

In any case, I don't pay 100% attention to this election, seeing as how my good ol Edwards dropped out. At least...not until I see a Kerry-Edwards ticket! Then I'm Kerry all the way....

I was for Edwards, too. Great guy. He's not nearly as liberal as I am, but in reality, no liberal can get elected.

My mom was depressed for days when he dropped out.

So people don't say I just say what my parents believe, I'll explain my situation.

My family on my mom's side is filled with a bunch of conservative Jews...yeah, I know, they're a little, hmm, odd...

My mom's moderate

My dad's a Libertarian. He's socially liberal and economically very conservative.

I'm a flaming liberal. Hear me crackle.

I,am a very strong suportor of George Bush,and was shocked when I saw you name of your post. I think that he will win the re-election,and is one of the best Presidents ever,along with Kennedy,Jefferson,and George H.W. Bush.

I,am a very strong suportor of George Bush,and was shocked when I saw you name of your post. I think that he will win the re-election,and is one of the best Presidents ever,along with Kennedy,Jefferson,and George H.W. Bush.

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Okay, tell us in what way Dubya is as great as the presidents you name.



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"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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I,am a very strong suportor of George Bush,and was shocked when I saw you name of your post. I think that he will win the re-election,and is one of the best Presidents ever,along with Kennedy,Jefferson,and George H.W. Bush.

He's the worst president in the history of the country. I'm ashamed to be living here during his term.

Nice name by the way..."Power and War"

You represent the Republican party perfectly.

www.thousandreasons.org - 1000 Reasons why Bush is not good for America

I'm sure you'll enjoy that one.

Looks like C-Bass will feel right at home. Raysia is a conservative right? Let's put her up to Raysia!

Bush gets my vote. He stands for a lot of the things I stand for, although nto all of them.

Just for the record, here's exactly what I believe about Republicans:

The Republican party itself isn't really that bad.

It's the radical Right, religious Right, Christian Rightwhatever you want to call it, that I cannot stand.

Bush isn't just an average, moderate, Republican; he's a bacteria grown in a radical right petri dish.

His conservative agenda is the only thing about which his supporters care.

Luckily, the conservatives do eventually lose.

"Society is not deteriorating, as conservatives would have you believe. In the last 400 years, Western society has seen continual progress under the Scientific Revolution. This has resulted in social, scientific and economic miracles too numerous to mention. Just a few examples include doubled lifespans, mass education, rising standards of living, not to mention the abolition of slavery, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, dueling, pogroms, serfdom, feudalism, etc. The traditional meaning of "conservativism" is the attempt to conserve the various aspects of society, but why anyone would wish to preserve such a sick society is a mystery. The traditional meaning of "liberalism," on the other hand, is openness to progress and change, and the last four centuries bear testimony to its success. "

http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/L-socialbreakdown.htm
By Steve Kangas, my idol.

Go here to read more of the writing of Mr. Kangas (RIP):
http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/LiberalFAQ.htm

C-Bass
(also a girl)

Looks like C-Bass will feel right at home. Raysia is a conservative right? Let's put her up to Raysia!

Why? C-Bass seems informed and knows what she's talking about. She doesn't seem like she's trolling or trying to be pushy at all. I'm not seeing how C-Bass and Ray would have much in common.

Looks like C-Bass will feel right at home. Raysia is a conservative right? Let's put her up to Raysia!

Why? C-Bass seems informed and knows what she's talking about. She doesn't seem like she's trolling or trying to be pushy at all. I'm not seeing how C-Bass and Ray would have much in common.

Exactly. I wanna see who's better at this, Raysia or C-Bass?

Oh, and I wasn't insulting C-Bass. I was complimenting her.

Looks like C-Bass will feel right at home. Raysia is a conservative right? Let's put her up to Raysia!

Why? C-Bass seems informed and knows what she's talking about. She doesn't seem like she's trolling or trying to be pushy at all. I'm not seeing how C-Bass and Ray would have much in common.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Who's Raysia? If he/she is another forum-goer, I'll take him/her on anytime.

Bah... I'll be warming up in the bullpen if Rayisa fails. :wink:

Mind you Steph but the topic title is sorta flamebait...

Bah... I'll be warming up in the bullpen if Rayisa fails. :wink:

Which you know he will.. facts aren't big in Ray's arguments, only emotions..

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA
7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

Mind you Steph but the topic title is sorta flamebait...

Bush has no protection on NS, he's not a member.. feel free to start one that says "Kerry Sucks" I don't see this thread falling apart into flames.. until that time I will leave it as is.

hey, I think they both suck :D

Good for you son. Well said.

Thanks. But for the record, I'm a girl.

And unfortunately, C-bass, I don't have AIM. I would download it, but it completely lags out my computer whenever I do.

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Sorry North.

Heh, that's okay.

Now, if you were talking to me face to face, as in, you could see what I looked like, then I would be offended if you thought I was a guy.

I guess I lean a little to the left myself. I'm definitely not conservative though. :x

Capsule Corporation being judgmental again huh.. :twisted:What's so judgemental about suggesting someone do some research before voting? :?

Mind you Steph but the topic title is sorta flamebait...

Bush has no protection on NS, he's not a member.. feel free to start one that says "Kerry Sucks" I don't see this thread falling apart into flames.. until that time I will leave it as is.

actually flamebait is different from an actual flame. a flame is insulting someone whereas flamebait is BAITING people to flame each other. it's intentionally inflammatory.

Ok... I'm Libertarian, meaning that I am for the most part diametrically opposed to the majority of the flaming leftists. Now are plenty of things for me not to like about his Bushness, the bogus new Medicare Drug Entitelment for example, however I really think you guys are being too tough on him.

The economy isn't nearly as bad as some of you claim. Bush's "misery index", a figure calculated by combining inflation and unemployment, is the lowest "misery index" ever recorded since the term was first created back in the late 70s/early 80s, and the Dow has been sitting healthily over 10,500 for quite some time now.

The national debt isn't neraly as bad as most people say either. While it is true that it is the largest dollar amount debt in our nations history, when looked at as a percentage of gdp (which is all that matters) it isn't the largest ever and is quite managable.

Yes, he is a Christian and his stances are moralistic, but that is just a fact of life. If you really think about it, most of our laws ARE moralistic in one way or another: I can't legally shoot somebody when they call me a name becuase is is IMMORAL to kill. Every year my tax dollars are wasted on Welfare because taking care of those down on thier luck is a MORAL thing to do. *shrugs*

*mumbles about stupid double post*

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA


Okay, I just had to comment on this one.

When what's immoral is determined by religion, it is violating the rights of individuals by forcing them to function under those beliefs.

Personally, although I myself am not gay, I am for gay marriage, because I have a serious problem with denying rights to everyone. Also, with the abortion issue, I feel it should be the choice of women, and not of conservative MALE presidents, who might I add, completely lack uterus' and thus do not have the ability to endure and have endured pregnancy.

So, don't tell me what's immoral. That should be the decision of the individual. Bushie seems to be a fan of denying rights to his people.

For the record, the United States is not a theocracy. It should not be run like one.

Mind you Steph but the topic title is sorta flamebait...

Bush has no protection on NS, he's not a member.. feel free to start one that says "Kerry Sucks" I don't see this thread falling apart into flames.. until that time I will leave it as is.

actually flamebait is different from an actual flame. a flame is insulting someone whereas flamebait is BAITING people to flame each other. it's intentionally inflammatory.

Thank you, as a Game Moderator on Nationstates I'll take that under advisement.. no flames have happened.. As I said, It is fine as of now.. I will re-think that call if flames do in fact break out.

www.thousandreasons.org



Wow, i checked some of those reasons, including the top ten, and they are basically completly lies and propaganda, and a disortment of the truth.

If you thing that Bush lied, then you are gravely mistaken. Isnt a president supposed to believe the inteligance given to him? (Even though Bill Clinton almost completly destroyed the funding for it.)

They blame the economy on the fact that Bush was running for office? That is so much bull its stupid.

They call Bush anti-women because he supports a babies right to live. How is that antiwomen? How is murdering babies prowomen?

Those are just a few examples, but i could go on. Unfortunalty, i am tired...

I see that they get a few quotes from the New York Times, well that figures doesnt it, liberal media at its best.

By that websites logic, i could say that John Kerry wants to burn all the trees in the world down because he (Im sorry, his family) drives an SUV.

Or that Ted Kennedy wants to kill every girl in the world, because of his past incident in life.....

Do you see how unlogical that is?

http://www.nestle.com.au/lifesavers/body.asp
Personally, although I myself am not gay, I am for gay marriage, because I have a serious problem with denying rights to everyone.What would you think of getting the government out of marriage so anyone could claim to be married to anyone/anything?
Also, with the abortion issue, I feel it should be the choice of women, and not of conservative MALE presidentsWould you mind if a liberal president or a a conservative female president passed a law banning abortion?
So, don't tell me what's immoral. That should be the decision of the individual.What if an individual decides it's okay (or even necessary) to kill random people?
Which you know he will.. facts aren't big in Ray's arguments, only emotions..:?

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

He's got as much right to his opinion on this forum as you or I. And I've often noticed that younger posters speak with a lot of inate wisdom.



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-- John LennonI certainly would be one of them, and I have been complimented in the past for this. New to General or not, was I, in November. I was 13 then. I'm 14 now.

Personally, I don't think that Bush "sucks," because according to his stance on homosexuality, he's not liable to be sucking on anything. I am against him because of his stance on homosexuality (note: I'm not homosexual myself, but I don't think that people should be discriminated against something that they cannot control, as homosexuality is genetic, and they do not just wake up deciding they like people of the same sex, nor do we wake up and decide that we like members of the opposite sex), not to mention that he, like many right-wingers, does this because of his religious beliefs, never mind that religious beliefs are not supposed to influence law. Also, I disagree with his so-called war on terror, especially that in Iraq, mainly because he justified it with WMDs, which there are a clear lack of. I think that the war shouldn't have been re-opened (it never actually ended, apparently). I also believe that he knew about it in prior, and was over-enthusiastic enough to invade regardless of intelligence. I disagree with his tax cuts. Why? They only affected the upper 10% of America. And guess who got the biggest tax break from his tax cuts? President Bush himself. My English teacher hardly got any tax cut. Why? Because she's not in the upper 10%. My family received NOTHING. I disagree with his pro-life stance on abortion, and believe that the mother who wants the abortion should be able to have it. It should be her decision, and she should be responsible for any negative side effects (I only disagree with abortion during the third-trimester). What would a man know about abortion, if it is not he carrying the child? I am pro-choice. I don't think that the government should have this much control over a person's body. I dislike his wanting to get rid of Social Security. I dislike many things about him. The only thing I supported was his war against Afghanistan after the 11-9 incident, but that was because we were PROVOKED first. In addition, I detest his unwillingness to not work with the UN, and I am finding that he's separating from the UN dangerously too far. He has already invaded Iraq without the UN's support, he seems to think that the USA is too good to not go with what other UN members agree on if he does not like them, too. I should think that, like the others, he should have to follow what the UN decides, regardless of his opinions on it.

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA
7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.

That was fun.

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

Terra Matsu- I completely 100% agree. You've got my political stance in a nutshell there.

What would you think of getting the government out of marriage so anyone could claim to be married to anyone/anything?

That wouldn't work, because then people could marry children and such, and since a child that young is not capable of making a decision of that magnitude, not to mention unable to fall in love, that's wrong. People will be victimized in that case.

However, there is nothing wrong with two adults who are in love getting married, no matter whether they are the same sex or not.

Would you mind if a liberal president or a a conservative female president passed a law banning abortion?

Yes, I would. It would really, really bother me.


What if an individual decides it's okay (or even necessary) to kill random people?

Well, naturally I have a problem with that because that adversely affects the lives of living, thinking, breathing people.

As for fetuses, they are completely unable to feel, at least before the third trimester, and are unable of concious thought.

Well...everything I would have said was already said. Now,I am a strong Republican,but some Presidents are Democratic,but are also good,like Kennedy. As for what you said about my name Power and War being a Republican name,If Al Gore would have been elected,he probably would have just told the terrorists to stop attacking,unlike Bush who actuallytaught them a lesson.

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...

Personally, although I myself am not gay, I am for gay marriage, because I have a serious problem with denying rights to everyone. Also, with the abortion issue, I feel it should be the choice of women.


Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

About abortion, I belive it is the womens choice, they can choose to have sex, and dont come with the whole rape thing either, adoption is a choice. I believe if it is life threatining to the women, they should be allowed an abortion, but not if they were just having fun. Also, just a question, to everyone who claims to be "pro choice", are you for vouchers? for the ability to own a gun? if not, please dont call yourself pro choice. Its simply misleading.

www.thousandreasons.org



Wow, i checked some of those reasons, including the top ten, and they are basically completly lies and propaganda, and a disortment of the truth.

If you thing that Bush lied, then you are gravely mistaken. Isnt a president supposed to believe the inteligance given to him? (Even though Bill Clinton almost completly destroyed the funding for it.)

They blame the economy on the fact that Bush was running for office? That is so much bull its stupid.

They call Bush anti-women because he supports a babies right to live. How is that antiwomen? How is murdering babies prowomen?

Those are just a few examples, but i could go on. Unfortunalty, i am tired...

I see that they get a few quotes from the New York Times, well that figures doesnt it, liberal media at its best.

By that websites logic, i could say that John Kerry wants to burn all the trees in the world down because he (Im sorry, his family) drives an SUV.

Or that Ted Kennedy wants to kill every girl in the world, because of his past incident in life.....

Do you see how unlogical that is?

You don't even make sense!!

Abortion isn't murder. Yes, it is killing, but it's not murder.

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

1. A fetus isn't really human.
2. Abortion is not unlawful...because it's legal...there's some complicated logic for you.

Protect the right to choose.

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...

In order to save THOUSANDS of Japanese and American lives.

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

Gotcha

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...But also note that Hitler had the technology for a nuclear bomb, or at least was working on one at the time that the USA was, unless I'm mistaken. My history is somewhat sketchy, and I don't recall PBS programmes perfectly. Though the US did drop the nuclear bomb, and hopefully for many years to come remains the ONLY one to do so.

Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.

Being gay is about love, and I can't see what's wrong with that. No victim, no crime.

In my opinion, neither Kerry nor Bush is a good candidate. Neither one has:

A clear exit strategy for Iraq
Any idea how the federal budget should be managed. (luckily, Greenspan is a genius)
Any specific opinions about anything at all

All Kerry does is badmouth Bush.

All Bush does is mutilate the English language and repeat the same things over and over.

Wait, Kerry's repetitive too.

In conclusion, vote Nader, if he gets 6% of the popular vote, his party will recieve federal funding to run its campaign in 2008, and we will finally have a real third party.

Voting Nader is exactly what will get Bush re-elected. Nader is being funded by Republicans! They know that the more votes Nader receives, the less votes Kerry receives.

Put simply...

A VOTE FOR NADER = A VOTE FOR BUSH

If President (and I use that term loosely) Bush is re-elected, I'm going to cry my eyes out, not only for my defeated party, but the well-being of the country.

I look at it this way:

Kerry isn't going to win (he has no credibility)

Bush will have a second term whether we like it or not. (shudder)

I, for one, would like to see a political party that is actually different from the Republicats and Demicans. Nader is that party.

Personally, although I myself am not gay, I am for gay marriage, because I have a serious problem with denying rights to everyone. Also, with the abortion issue, I feel it should be the choice of women.


Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

About abortion, I belive it is the womens choice, they can choose to have sex, and dont come with the whole rape thing either, adoption is a choice. I believe if it is life threatining to the women, they should be allowed an abortion, but not if they were just having fun. Also, just a question, to everyone who claims to be "pro choice", are you for vouchers? for the ability to own a gun? if not, please dont call yourself pro choice. Its simply misleading.One, one cannot prove that God exists, and thusly cannot prove that this so-called God even destroyed these cities. Civilasation risings and fallings are inevitable. These things go in cycles, rising, and then falling, and perhaps even eventually rising again, and thusly falling once more. There is nothing wrong with being religious; however, religion has no place in law, and thusly, for drawing your conclusions from religion, they become invalid (or should be) in any law-environment.

I think that a woman should be allowed an abortion whenever she wants, because, as I pointed out, it is her body, and unlike in doing recreational drugs, or abusing prescription drugs, she isn't necessarily harming herself, nor does she find pleasure in doing so. Most women don't like having to have an abortion in the first place.

ph33r me...I finally got something into someone's head!

A rare accomplishment here on these forums!

Once again, not saying anything bad about you. I'm just not a very modest person :P

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...

In order to save THOUSANDS of Japanese and American lives.

My point was that it's somewhat hypocritical of us to deny the weapons to others. I understand that it was to end the war, though it probably killed more innocent Japanese people than it saved.

In my opinion, no one should have nuclear weapons, but then one country has them, so another must have them for self defense... and yadda yadda.

Heh, I wish the things had never been invented.

2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
Depending on the statistics you go buy, and how in-depth your stats are (Ie, Yearly or quarterly), the economy either started to decline under the last two quarters of Clinton or soon after he left office.

3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
Also, taking out Al-Qaeda's stronghold in Afghanistan was pretty nice. Are they still there in the South? Yes, but not nearly at the presence or level of organization that they were. I would hold, on the topic of Iraq, that the benifits will eventually outweigh the costs in terms of both lives and money.

4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
Ever hear of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty?

Plus, despite what some people will rag on and on about, the USA does not have an even miniscule chance to undergo a revolution by people who would use nuclear weapons for terroristic purposes.

5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
You mean Spain? Who withdrew because their leader at the time blamed the ETA instead of keeping his mouth shut, or blaming Islamofascists, which in turn handed the victory to the Socialists? Going into the weekend of the polls, and up to and until the Madrid attacks, the People's Party was going to win.

7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
Tax cuts are bad for the economy? Want to have some basis for that? Its commonly accepted in most leadership circles that tax cuts are in general good for the economy. Even in Europe, you see France and Germany trying to cut their taxes to get their stagnatic economies back into decent growth. And those people that are paying off those huge deficits are mainly the rich. Who coincidentally, also benifit the most from those deficits (bonds).

9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
Lying about anything is bad. Of course, lying about anything is bad. Commiting a felony through Perjury is bad. You of course assume that Bush deliberatly knew that there would be no WMD in the end - something no intellegence agency in the world agreed with.

im against all kinds of violence.so i dnt like bush and thinks he makes a bad president.
this guy only wanna go to war.
i dnt like this kinda president.
also capital punishment is stil in vigor in texas where he used to b governor and since im also against this, this makes me hate bush more

You don't even make sense!!

Abortion isn't murder. Yes, it is killing, but it's not murder.

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

1. A fetus isn't really human.
2. Abortion is not unlawful...because it's legal...there's some complicated logic for you.

Protect the right to choose.
When, may I ask, do you think a fetus becomes a human?

That wouldn't work, because then people could marry children and such, and since a child that young is not capable of making a decision of that magnitude, not to mention unable to fall in love, that's wrong. People will be victimized in that case.How so? When I say get the government out of marriage, I really mean it; it would have no effect on how the government treats you.
Thanks for answering my questions.
1. A fetus isn't really human.M&W says a fetus can be...
Protect the right to choose.Whose right?
Being gay is about loveReally? Dictionary.com seems to think otherwise.
*Stabs grammar error caused by sentence restructuring*

Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.

Being gay is about love, and I can't see what's wrong with that. No victim, no crime.

Exactly. I chose to like guys (and oh, GOD DO I!!!).

It's how I was born. Besides just the concept of equality, gay marriage would do other good things for America. More adoption is one. I can't think of any others right now, probably because I'm pooped.

My friend Shay put it best:
"Gay man: *Wakes up* You know what, I think I'll like other men today!" ...doesn't happen

liberal lovin' from a lovin' liberal,
c-bass

(whoa I just made that up. gotta use that more)

You don't even make sense!!

Abortion isn't murder. Yes, it is killing, but it's not murder.

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

1. A fetus isn't really human.
2. Abortion is not unlawful...because it's legal...there's some complicated logic for you.

Protect the right to choose.
When, may I ask, do you think a fetus becomes a human?Upon birth. Either that, or third trimester.

You don't even make sense!!

Abortion isn't murder. Yes, it is killing, but it's not murder.

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

1. A fetus isn't really human.
2. Abortion is not unlawful...because it's legal...there's some complicated logic for you.

Protect the right to choose.
When, may I ask, do you think a fetus becomes a human?

I really haven't studied up on this. I think that if a woman wants an abortion, it's awful for her to wait past 6 weeks. That's just lazy. Realize you're late and go take care of it!!!! The more time she waits, the closer the fetus gets to becoming a child. I think a woman's right to choose should be protected (as long as it's before the third trimester).

I dreampt the other night I had an abortion, which is weird because first, I'm a virgin, and second, where the hell did that dream come from???

Yes he does, he sucks.

When, may I ask, do you think a fetus becomes a human?Upon birth.
Even though a pre-mature babies can easily survive out of the womb, and develop naturally out of the womb? Once they get to a certain point they're essentially human beings inside of a womans body.

Bush is a great president!!!!! he had guided this country thru very tough times and has made strong and decisive decisions in the defense and welfare of all of us. bush has strong values and wants to defend family and marraige. he does not just say things to please people (like kerry)-bush means what he says and backs it up.

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...But also note that Hitler had the technology for a nuclear bomb, or at least was working on one at the time that the USA was, unless I'm mistaken. My history is somewhat sketchy, and I don't recall PBS programmes perfectly. Though the US did drop the nuclear bomb, and hopefully for many years to come remains the ONLY one to do so.



Adolf Hitler cancelled all research into Nuclear power and weaponry, on the grounds that it would not be beneficial in the long run.

9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
Lying about anything is bad. Of course, lying about anything is bad. Commiting a felony through Perjury is bad. You of course assume that Bush deliberatly knew that there would be no WMD in the end - something no intellegence agency in the world agreed with.[/quote]

Clinton didn't lie under oath, so there was no perjury.

I'm not assuming that Bush knew there were no WMDs, I actually did in the beginning.
He told America that attacking Iraq would punish the 9/11 bastards. It most certainly did not. If anything, it diverted attention away from them.

When, may I ask, do you think a fetus becomes a human?Upon birth.
Even though a pre-mature babies can easily survive out of the womb, and develop naturally out of the womb? Once they get to a certain point they're essentially human beings inside of a womans body.Sorry, I edited it right before you could post this, I would consider a third-trimester baby a child.

I'm ashamed to be living here during his term.What's so shameful about living in the nation while he's president? :?
Yes he does, he sucks.LIFE SAVERS (http://www.nestle.com.au/lifesavers/body.asp)?

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.Rule of thumb: NEVER state your age. If it's 15 or under, it lowers your credibility to ziltch.

I'm ashamed to be living here during his term.What's so shameful about living in the nation while he's president? :?
Yes he does, he sucks.LIFE SAVERS (http://www.nestle.com.au/lifesavers/body.asp)?I don't know what's shameful about living here under his presidency, except for the mere fact that he gives us a bad name. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy here, decent living standards, etc. But Bush isn't responsible for high living standards, now is he? Can't wait to turn 18, because then I will emigrate to Canada.

Clinton didn't lie under oath, so there was no perjury.
He didn't? Thats news to me. I wonder why he was debarred (and is thus not a lawyer anymore). :shock:

He told America that attacking Iraq would punish the 9/11 bastards. It most certainly did not. If anything, it diverted attention away from them.
George Bush never gave 9/11 as an official reason to attack Iraq. WMDs? Yes. Saddam Hussein bad? Yes. Iraq started 9/11? No. He may have made a slip-up in a news conference or something, but when he was giving the 2003 State of the Union, he never said anything of the sort.

he gives us a bad name.In the eyes of those who over-generalize or only look at the president, maybe.
But Bush isn't responsible for high living standards, now is he?No.

Bush is a great president!!!!! he had guided this country thru very tough times and has made strong and decisive decisions in the defense and welfare of all of us. bush has strong values and wants to defend family and marraige. he does not just say things to please people (like kerry)-bush means what he says and backs it up.

Once again, Bush hasn't guided this country through tough times, it was we who did that for ourselves.

Decisive decisions? Isn't an interesting combination of words...

Oh God, we mustn't let the nuclear family meet its downfall, not just yet! It's going to happen soon enough, conservatives should just deal with it.

How does Kerry say things just to please people?

Bush is the kind of right-winger that appears in my nightmares.

Liberal lovin' from a lovin' liberal,
C-bass

And he blows.

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.Rule of thumb: NEVER state your age. If it's 15 or under, it lowers your credibility to ziltch.

Just because a person is younger doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about.

If this person hadn't posted their age, I would have thought they were years older. I don't think they're any less credible because they're a 13 year old who's done some research, as opposed to an 18 year old who's done some research.

How did we get on abortion from here?

he gives us a bad name.In the eyes of those who over-generalize or only look at the president, maybe.
But Bush isn't responsible for high living standards, now is he?No.I don't overgeneralise, and I say "he gives us a bad name" because much of the world detests us.

I'm ashamed to be living here during his term.What's so shameful about living in the nation while he's president? :?
Yes he does, he sucks.LIFE SAVERS (http://www.nestle.com.au/lifesavers/body.asp)?

He's riling up the people who already despised us, and causing those who were neutral to hate us!

Terrorists are being created as a result of his bad "decisive decisions" (Putti's new term)

See...nations with dictators that are willing to disobey the UN and have WMD are a big threat. And I mean big.

Let me just put it this way. Who would you prefer with the nuclear bomb? Adolf Hitler or President Eisenhower?

Exactly

May I point out that the US is the only country to ever have dropped a nuclear bomb...But also note that Hitler had the technology for a nuclear bomb, or at least was working on one at the time that the USA was, unless I'm mistaken. My history is somewhat sketchy, and I don't recall PBS programmes perfectly. Though the US did drop the nuclear bomb, and hopefully for many years to come remains the ONLY one to do so.



Adolf Hitler cancelled all research into Nuclear power and weaponry, on the grounds that it would not be beneficial in the long run.Ahh, interesting. Guess it's a good thing that he did, eh? ^^;;

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.Rule of thumb: NEVER state your age. If it's 15 or under, it lowers your credibility to ziltch.

I think I know what I'm talking about, but thanks for the advice anyway.

Too late though.

Adolf Hitler cancelled all research into Nuclear power and weaponry, on the grounds that it would not be beneficial in the long run.

Also due in a large part because Norweigen partisans and British Commandos, I think, took out one of his only supplies of heavy water.

And he blows.http://www.silverhawkinc.com/Catalog/american_flag_balloon_6_pkg__11__latex_white_w_red_1147423.htm
I don't overgeneralise, and I say "he gives us a bad name" because much of the world detests us.I didn't say only, and it already did.

EDIT: Oops, those are helium type. Does he breathe helium?
EDIT2: *Finds new link* Here's the old one: http://balloonusa.
com/balloons4.asp?tabl=Shape&cat=Flag

How did we get on abortion from here?

somebody introduced Bush's anti-choice, right-wing, fundamentalist, religiously inspired position :)

How did we get on abortion from here?

Abortion is one of his biggest issues, so it kind of relates.

And he blows.http://www.silverhawkinc.com/Catalog/american_flag_balloon_6_pkg__11__latex_white_w_red_1147423.htm
I don't overgeneralise, and I say "he gives us a bad name" because much of the world detests us.I didn't say only, and it already did.

EDIT: Oops, those are helium type. Does he breathe helium?
EDIT2: *Finds new link* Here's the old one: http://balloonusa.
com/balloons4.asp?tabl=Shape&cat=FlagYes, but many more nations dislike us because of this. And lookie here, how we went against the UN's will. Heh, yeah, we shouldn't dislike Bush. He's perfect. Meh.

Heh, yeah, we shouldn't dislike Bush. He's perfect. Meh.Are you implying that I am a staunch supporter of Bush?

And he blows.http://www.silverhawkinc.com/Catalog/american_flag_balloon_6_pkg__11__latex_white_w_red_1147423.htm
I don't overgeneralise, and I say "he gives us a bad name" because much of the world detests us.I didn't say only, and it already did.

EDIT: Oops, those are helium type. Does he breathe helium?
EDIT2: *Finds new link* Here's the old one: http://balloonusa.
com/balloons4.asp?tabl=Shape&cat=FlagYes, but many more nations dislike us because of this. And lookie here, how we went against the UN's will. Heh, yeah, we shouldn't dislike Bush. He's perfect. Meh.

Lol. you're hilarious

Northern Space you're awesome

Heh, yeah, we shouldn't dislike Bush. He's perfect. Meh.Are you implying that I am a staunch supporter of Bush?No, actually, I did not. I was merely going off there, and I guess I should have made it under a separate line. I'm sorry if you misinterpreted that, and I knew you would, though why it didn't come to me to break that line off from the rest is beyond me.

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA

7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.


That was fun.





Liberals hate terrorists? SDS, SLA, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Bader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, IRA, PLA, Hammas, Hezbollah, VNVAW, Monkey Wrench, PETA ad nauseum.

No, actually, I did not. I was merely going off there, and I guess I should have made it under a separate line. I'm sorry if you misinterpreted that, and I knew you would, though why it didn't come to me to break that line off from the rest is beyond me.I thought that's what you were doing; I just wanted clarification. :)

No, actually, I did not. I was merely going off there, and I guess I should have made it under a separate line. I'm sorry if you misinterpreted that, and I knew you would, though why it didn't come to me to break that line off from the rest is beyond me.I thought that's what you were doing; I just wanted clarification. :)Hehe, no problem.

Yeah, so do I, and? (j/k)

Gotta love it. I personally think that after vietnam and korea, we should have stuck to our isolationist policy. No bosnia, no iraq, etc. We should focus our attention on bettering our environment first, and them helping others. We're destroying our country!!

What's awesome about the war is that the oil mafia... pardon, OPEC, has raised prices, and gas has shot up... and environmentally safe alternative fuel cars have become more popular. All hail green fuel!


Anyone who has something to say, telegram me- I won't be checking back here.

Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.

Being gay is about love, and I can't see what's wrong with that. No victim, no crime.



Au contraire, mon fraire! In the estruscan civilization homosexuality was one reason the Romans eventually rose up against their masters. Homosexuality was a major component during the fall of the Greek civilization. Now throughout history, forced homosexuality was prevalent and continues today in prisons and some religions. homosexuality has always been a power paradigm for subjugation of someone so they can 't cry rape.

Ok, this is a touchy subject, but as we all should know, history tends to repeat itself, and without drawing on the fact that God destroyed Soddam and Gomarah for their evil ways, including homosexuality, becuase i will be accused of being moral and or religious(i mean thats such a terrible thing), so i will simply draw on the fact that the fall of both the Roman and Greek empires came about, largely due to the obsevily lavish lifestyle, including a prominince of homosexuality. I simply dont want my country to crumble as both the Greek and Roman empires of the past have.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with the fall of Rome.

Being gay is about love, and I can't see what's wrong with that. No victim, no crime.



Au contraire, mon fraire! In the estruscan civilization homosexuality was one reason the Romans eventually rose up against their masters. Homosexuality was a major component during the fall of the Greek civilization. Now throughout history, forced homosexuality was prevalent and continues today in prisons and some religions. homosexuality has always been a power paradigm for subjugation of someone so they can 't cry rape.

Err...Greek civilization hasn't really fallen. It transferred itself to Roman civilization, which became the basis for all of Western civilization today. It's not like it fell like Persian or Assyrian civilization did.

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA

7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.


That was fun.





Liberals hate terrorists? SDS, SLA, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Bader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, IRA, PLA, Hammas, Hezbollah, VNVAW, Monkey Wrench, PETA ad nauseum.

PETA, a terrorist organization??? What the...

"The original vision of the Black Panther Party was to serve the needs of the oppressed people in our communities and defend them against their oppressors. "
http://www.blackpanther.org/vision.htm
Yeah, they sound like terrorists.

The Special Libraries Association???

The Red Brigades? Just because an organization is of the Left, it doesn't automatically possess liberal approval.

The International Reading Association?

The Public Libraries Association?

Wow, you really must be a Bush supporter if you hate literate people this much.

Maybe I've confused the organizations you specified with others. Please tell me if I have.

Thanks C-bass. You're awesome too.

And PETA annoys me.

Hey, I'll be getting off. You people, for the most part, are simply great people. Enjoy your weekend!

EDIT: Never mind, I think MW was using a different definition of terror than the one I first thought of.

Of course a topic that could be debated greatly into the next four years, just like blaming everything in the last four years on Clinton. As a populace we are supposed to "get over" Bush lying about WMD and yellowcake and ties to Al-Qaida JUST like we are supposed to NOT get over any idea that the last four years of economic, social, foreign and domestic difficulty are greatly due to Clinton. Not much in the way of argument for "liberal media" i might add since very little of "the media" is owned by a liberal entity. Curious that the NRA is starting its own newsgroup, under such consideration: "If that's the only way to bring back the First Amendment" - this just a week or so following Cheney's statement about Kerry being a threat to personal gunowners' rights. "Liberal media" example: the issue of Clear Channel's ownership of 1200 + radio/tv stations and of course their consent on media release, couple with the $42200 to Bush's re-election (as compared to $1750 to Kerry's run, keep everyone smiling, :lol: ). As "moral" incentive goes, that same bunch of folks only stuck it to Stern (whatever level of humor/interest he represents) after he complained about Bush, to the extent of suggesting people don't vote Bush back in. There is a current review happening right now by the FEC regarding what constitutes a political committee, which if it succeeds will certainly depreciate the First Amendment to the extent that the only thing on TV or airwaves of any statement regarding politics and policies is going to be a group who can afford it (ie Republicans) all else being fined as it will be illegal to do so in spoken/written dissent of Cabinet, presidential or congressional manners and deeds. Hints: NOT brought to bear by Democratic party, and CERTAINLY bad timing in an election year!
Good president? I think the best case is to show examples of, not rhetoric. Kudos to all of you who actually research the topic when the need arises and for your own betterment! Especially the apparently very young of you!

RESUME
GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520

=========================
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

=========================

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been 'lost' and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

=====================

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

=====================

- I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland,Texas, in 1975.

- I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

- I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

- With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

=======================================

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS

=======================================

- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

- During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

=============================

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

=============================

- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S stock market.

- In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.

- My 'poorest millionaire,' Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

- More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

- I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

- I set the all-time presidential record for most days on vacation
in any one-year period.

- After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

- I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.

I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

=======================
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

=======================

- All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

Right on C-Bass. I actually got that resume a couple of years back, minus an update or two. If anyone's confused out there about the press releases involving Bush's administration and Bush himself linking 9/11 / Al Qaida to Iraq and WMD, there are many more than one source of quotes of him doing it, knowing this after having seen a few of them with my own eyes. Doubters can watch the video "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War"
OR
Read up on general Franks' statement on record regarding actual military strategization of Iraq while Bush publicly stated it was about Afghanistan. That only came out over the last week. There's plenty more!

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA

7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.


That was fun.





Liberals hate terrorists? SDS, SLA, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Bader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, IRA, PLA, Hammas, Hezbollah, VNVAW, Monkey Wrench, PETA ad nauseum.

PETA, a terrorist organization??? What the...

"The original vision of the Black Panther Party was to serve the needs of the oppressed people in our communities and defend them against their oppressors. "
http://www.blackpanther.org/vision.htm
Yeah, they sound like terrorists.

The Special Libraries Association???

The Red Brigades? Just because an organization is of the Left, it doesn't automatically possess liberal approval.

The International Reading Association?

The Public Libraries Association?

Wow, you really must be a Bush supporter if you hate literate people this much.

Maybe I've confused the organizations you specified with others. Please tell me if I have.




C-bass nice try, Steph she is flamebaiting. C-bass, do some research on Ameican History. Every group I listed, regardless of its "stated propagadistst rationale for existance" has had elements that were not approved of though supported that has, and some continue to, kill americans simply because.

I would not be literate as I am if I did not study the history as I was living it. What makes me a Bush supporter?

he's dyslexic

I do have information to justify the title but I'm too lazy to list them, and, to tell you the truth, I don't think there's enough room in the entire forum.


I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

I respect the opinions of all people, but when the radical right starts to take over the country, something needs to be done to stop them.

Will you vote in my place? If you're a Bush supporter, please ignore the previous request...

www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/political_links.html
Click the above for great leftist links!

Thanks
C-Bass


RADICAL RIGHT!!!!!!!! LOL LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Its the Radical Left that is taking over the country and the world, open your eyes dude!

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA

7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.


That was fun.





Liberals hate terrorists? SDS, SLA, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Bader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, IRA, PLA, Hammas, Hezbollah, VNVAW, Monkey Wrench, PETA ad nauseum.

PETA, a terrorist organization??? What the...

"The original vision of the Black Panther Party was to serve the needs of the oppressed people in our communities and defend them against their oppressors. "
http://www.blackpanther.org/vision.htm
Yeah, they sound like terrorists.

The Special Libraries Association???

The Red Brigades? Just because an organization is of the Left, it doesn't automatically possess liberal approval.

The International Reading Association?

The Public Libraries Association?

Wow, you really must be a Bush supporter if you hate literate people this much.

Maybe I've confused the organizations you specified with others. Please tell me if I have.




C-bass nice try, Steph she is flamebaiting. C-bass, do some research on Ameican History. Every group I listed, regardless of its "stated propagadistst rationale for existance" has had elements that were not approved of though supported that has, and some continue to, kill americans simply because.

I would not be literate as I am if I did not study the history as I was living it. What makes me a Bush supporter?

Mkay what's flamebaiting?
The Public Libraries Association killed people?
What'd they do, read them to death?

Well lets see what Bush has done in his term in office...
A few reasons....

1.Held the US together after September 11
2. Turned around a economic decline that he inherited from Clinton and was worsened by the 9/11 tradageies
3.Liberated 2 countries from the dictarships that they lived under.
4.Forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapon arsenal.
5.Formed a coalition of the willing, some countries supplying troops, while others were suppling other nessacities. This coalition will be more effective than the UN, where high ranking members, and France were all proven to have taken bribes from Saddam. The money was taken out of the Oil for Food thing, by the way.
6.Fought against the immoral coruption of the USA

7. Issued the highest tax rebate since Reagan(our greatest president)
8.2/3 of Al Quedi leadership has been either killed or captured
9.Well, unlike our last umm President, he has had no affairs with other while married.
10.Has made a pledge to fight a war on terriosm, which I hope you liberals relize, will actually help our country.


Sure he has some failings, but noone is perfect, and personally i would rather have US security being trusted to the US, instead of the UN, as Waffle Boy John Kerry would have it.

Just a 15 year olds feelings about his country's safety.

My responses.

1. It wasn't Bush who held this country together. It was the people.
2. An economic decline?! The economy was soaring with Clinton! See www.geocities.com/cmbassett03@sbcglobal.net/charts.html
3. The downfall of the tyrannical leaders was the only benefit of the wars. The negative aspects were simply not worth it. See www.13myths.org and http://costofwar.com and www.iraqbodycount.net
4. I still don't understand why Libya can't have WMDs but we can. Could someone please explain that to me if you have the answer??
5. Countries so desperate to have the U.S.'s support were convinced that war was the answer. They're withdrawing now because they FINALLY realized the war was one of the worst mistakes of the history of America (and the world).
6. The immoral corruption of the USA? What immoral corruption? Equality and rights (I'm mainly talking about the gay marriage issue. straight, not narrow!!!)? Freedom and liberty? True patriotism, not right-wing, force-fed allegiance? I'm a little confused here, bud.
7. Tax cuts are bad for the economy and result in the lack of proper funding for important government programs. Oh yeah, and they create HUGE DEFICITS that the future generations have to pay off. That's YOU and ME.
8. That is good, but Bush didn't do it. Brave soldiers, among other people I'm sure, who didn't go AWOL (see www.AWOLBUSH.com) did that.
9. What's worse: Lying about sex (a private matter) or lying about war (a public matter). I'm gonna have to go with war.
10. Of course terrorism is a bad thing. Do you think liberals like terrorists? If so, you're mistaken.

Whoa, I'm actually out of breath from typing so vigorously. Okay not really.


That was fun.





Liberals hate terrorists? SDS, SLA, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Bader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, IRA, PLA, Hammas, Hezbollah, VNVAW, Monkey Wrench, PETA ad nauseum.

PETA, a terrorist organization??? What the...

"The original vision of the Black Panther Party was to serve the needs of the oppressed people in our communities and defend them against their oppressors. "
http://www.blackpanther.org/vision.htm
Yeah, they sound like terrorists.

The Special Libraries Association???

The Red Brigades? Just because an organization is of the Left, it doesn't automatically possess liberal approval.

The International Reading Association?

The Public Libraries Association?

Wow, you really must be a Bush supporter if you hate literate people this much.

Maybe I've confused the organizations you specified with others. Please tell me if I have.




C-bass nice try, Steph she is flamebaiting. C-bass, do some research on Ameican History. Every group I listed, regardless of its "stated propagadistst rationale for existance" has had elements that were not approved of though supported that has, and some continue to, kill americans simply because.

I would not be literate as I am if I did not study the history as I was living it. What makes me a Bush supporter?

Mkay what's flamebaiting?
The Public Libraries Association killed people?
What'd they do, read them to death?


You just totally lost my vote, I thought you had potential.

he's dyslexic

He's dyslexic? Student, it is the "radical left" and the "reactionary right".
I seem to remember that liberals are all inclusive and even protective of those who have a recognized disability. Or have I missed that chapter in history?

he's dyslexic

He's dyslexic? Student, it is the "radical left" and the "reactionary right".
I seem to remember that liberals are all inclusive and even protective of those who have a recognized disability. Or have I missed that chapter in history?

I don't hate him because he's dyslexic. Don't call me student.

he's dyslexic

He's dyslexic? Student, it is the "radical left" and the "reactionary right".
I seem to remember that liberals are all inclusive and even protective of those who have a recognized disability. Or have I missed that chapter in history?

I don't hate him because he's dyslexic. Don't call me student.


Grasshopper, we all must be students for if we stop learning "we will die" Jim Morrison.

Grasshopper I like that.

Better than stink bug.

I think that most people will agree that radical ANYTHINGism tends to be bad. Radicalism general inflates our existing confirmational bias. Moderates tend to be most accepting of new evidence.

he's dyslexic

I know you're new, thus you get a break..

Here are the things you need to know..


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By the way, the thesis that the down fall of either Rome or Greek was directly due to homosexuality is interesting. I have never seen any direct evidense for that, and infact, in both cultures, homosexuality was endorse during their rise to power. Homosexuality was also quite common in their elite military units. There was the Egyptian "Scared Band" and the Romean Preatorian Guard where homosexuality was quite common.

I would like to know your sources, BACBI.

hmm i am not a right winger by any means..in fact i am a... aethiest....so im not into that conservative christian family values stuff...but mr bush what did he do wrong.........he ent to war with iraq....good riddens that shit hole of a country that was led by a shit hole of a leader who abused his population....i say its about time we kicked saddamns ass.... and man it feels good to kick some ass after 9 11 .... id hate a president that would do absolutely nothing after that attack..... i do not care what the motives are frankly ....but if u guys think it was for financial gain look at what happened to our stock market and the gass prices...thats not financial gain for any corporation...

and kerry....hes nothing man...hes rather sad really...he isn a strong opponant i dont even know what he stands for man...

I think that most people will agree that radical ANYTHINGism tends to be bad. Radicalism general inflates our existing confirmational bias. Moderates tend to be most accepting of new evidence.

I kinda agree. I'm a radical leftist personally, but I know that my beliefs would be bad for the government. Unlike most who hold my beliefs, I understand that.

When I can vote, I'll never support a radical liberal because
1. it's futile
2. you're right, moderates are the way to go

Grasshopper I like that.

Better than stink bug.


Do some research, try hollywood. SLA- Symbionese Liberation Army, the son of my docter died as a member. Yes, PETA they have been responsible for the deaths of both humans and nonhumans indiscrimanitly (sic). Of course the visible part of PETA disavowes any knowledge. During Attica, a panther escorted my mom, sister and myself on our tour of NYC. The Irish cops stayed away, yes I'm white Irish. I frequently share a brew and a lively conversation with a friend who is a panther to this day. When he was recently feted by the middle school where he works, he was ordered to remove his beret for the pictures with a democrat politician up for re-election. I can not express my feelings for the brothers who supported me, protected me and fought me through the years all I can do is support them the best I can. They know and acknowledge bad acts of their members. Same as Nation of Islam. Irish Republican Army. Part of the Hibernians. As is the Molly Mcquires of which I have several ancesters who were or may have been members. Just as I have relatives who may be Masons. It is getting late. Goodnight grasshopper, but first, snatch the pebble from my palm.

he's dyslexic

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ok thanks for clearing that up

you quoted me...

why is it against the rules to say bush is dyslexic?

ok thanks for clearing that up

you quoted me...

why is it against the rules to say bush is dyslexic?

Oh, I thought you called a player "dyslexic"..lol sorry, no you may say what you want about Bush..lol ;)

I also don't claim to understand the argument that because certain organizations that are labelled left wing have commited certain acts that can be construde as terrorist, liberals support terrorism? Seems like a bad case of hasty generalization.

By the way, the thesis that the down fall of either Rome or Greek was directly due to homosexuality is interesting. I have never seen any direct evidense for that, and infact, in both cultures, homosexuality was endorse during their rise to power. Homosexuality was also quite common in their elite military units. There was the Egyptian "Scared Band" and the Romean Preatorian Guard where homosexuality was quite common.

I would like to know your sources, BACBI.

I did not say directly. No civilisation falls because of one issue. It is a compilation of many moral issues coming to the fore that were not accepted at the inception of the civilisation. Thank you for expanding my "proof" (Greek meaning) by introducing subsets of the civilisations. Do not forget the Spartans. The changed morality of a civilisation is what alienates that civilisations subjugates and results in conquest and re-alignmrnt. The Greek culture did not transpose itself to Roman, it was conquered and assimilated into the Roman belief system just as the Roman belief system was assimalated by the christian. We are the Borg, resistance is futile.

I also don't claim to understand the argument that because certain organizations that are labelled left wing have commited certain acts that can be construde as terrorist, liberals support terrorism? Seems like a bad case of hasty generalization.

exactly.

it's a fallacy

ok thanks for clearing that up

you quoted me...

why is it against the rules to say bush is dyslexic?

Oh, I thought you called a player "dyslexic"..lol sorry, no you may say what you want about Bush..lol ;)


Steph, she did not call me dyslexic. But I have family that are. No one should be labeled with a disability if you do not have proof they have it. If they do have a disability and you are uncomfortable with it, is it you, the person or disability that is making you uncomfortable to the point to want to label.

Looking back on it, I seem to have attacked the wrong person, Soffish was the person who's views I objected to. I will agree that changing moralities will lead to a fragmented population IF the changes occur suddenly. I do not think that a society's acceptance homosexual is really to be singled out, however. I don't think that it is any more of a dividing issue then women's sufferage. I agree also that the fall of a society is entirely too complex to attribute to a single factor, especially not the acceptance of homosexuality.

Northern Space,
I too won't support President Bush in the upcoming election but for very different reasons. The economy is far from in shambles. With the crash of the internet bubble at the end of 2000, an energy shortage and sky rocketing fuel prices, a terrorist attack, and scandal with corporate America, it's amazing the recession was so mild.

The last two years have experienced the greatest productivity growth known to the nation, around 4% (way higher than the 90s). This directly translates into higher living conditions for the whole country, but sadly means a jobless economic recovery.

But even that is turning around. As productivity growth slows to a more normal level, around 2.5 to 3 percent, job uptake will improve. Last month saw the hiring of 300k workers. More are sure to follow.

On the economy, I can't fault Bush very much. He's fought off the protectionist attitude sweeping the country talking about the "outsourcing of American jobs." A few facts on that. The US did lose 8 million jobs to foreign firms over the 90s; we also imported 24 million. Of the current unemployed population, the amount due to outsourcing is likely only 1%. Free trade--when done competitively--over the long run improves living standards in both countries.

I oppose Bush's re-election on several grounds. His tax-cut was a good idea, spending money and going into debt is the correct move in a recession to turn around the economy; the money i don't believe can be justified to go into the pockets and towards the interests of so few.

I don't like Bush's tradeoff between the economy and environmental protection, i feel the environment has lost too much of the time. I like our national forests and parks left alone and environmental protections strengthened, not weakened.

I believe Bush led the nation into a war that had nothing to do with protecting the world from terrorism, he's spending american money and lives on fighting a war that is creating more terrorists and hatred for the US than it solves. Our world opinion has never been so low.

Lastly, i don't agree with Bush's stance on civil liberties. Under Ashcroft, we've traded away civil rights to the government in the name of anti-terrorism. I believe that stopping the bombing and killing of innocent Muslims and instead using foreign aid and education is a more effective means.

As for the national debt, we are in a recession and collecting less tax revenue. Not really to worry. At the end of the day, it is simply money that the government owes American businesses. The only debt we should worry about is the proportion owed to foreign economies; that's the money that leaves the American system.

Add in the issues you've talked about--abortion which I feel is a woman's choice and stem cell research which i believe the cost of not researching full bore is the potential cures for cancer, diabetes, and numerous other diseases, and that's why i don't like Bush.

I believe that the voting age is at 18 because that gives citizens both time to receive more of an education and have more of a stake in what's going on. Too often all everyone hears is just the media and is not translated into thoughts for themselves.

So, that's why I don't support Bush in the re-election. What I feel is subjective, many wouldn't agree. We all have our own tradeoffs.

Kevin

If you'd like to join a new region, "The Elite" was just started. The password is "elite" if you would like in.

Looking back on it, I seem to have attacked the wrong person, Soffish was the person who's views I objected to. I will agree that changing moralities will lead to a fragmented population IF the changes occur suddenly. I do not think that a society's acceptance homosexual is really to be singled out, however. I don't think that it is any more of a dividing issue then women's sufferage. I agree also that the fall of a society is entirely too complex to attribute to a single factor, especially not the acceptance of homosexuality.

Well said, let's have a brew.

What confuses me is how it is illegal to conduct stem cell reseach, but perfectly legal to patent DNA sequences. I think that the latter is a more pressing ethical concern than the former.

Looking back on it, I seem to have attacked the wrong person, Soffish was the person who's views I objected to. I will agree that changing moralities will lead to a fragmented population IF the changes occur suddenly. I do not think that a society's acceptance homosexual is really to be singled out, however. I don't think that it is any more of a dividing issue then women's sufferage. I agree also that the fall of a society is entirely too complex to attribute to a single factor, especially not the acceptance of homosexuality.

Well said, let's have a brew.

Done and done. I suppose we should capitalize on being some of the few people of legal drinking age here.

Looking back on it, I seem to have attacked the wrong person, Soffish was the person who's views I objected to. I will agree that changing moralities will lead to a fragmented population IF the changes occur suddenly. I do not think that a society's acceptance homosexual is really to be singled out, however. I don't think that it is any more of a dividing issue then women's sufferage. I agree also that the fall of a society is entirely too complex to attribute to a single factor, especially not the acceptance of homosexuality.

Well said, let's have a brew.

Done and done. I suppose we should capitalize on being some of the few people of legal drinking age here.


Eh? Just kidding, I'm legal.

C-Bass, good night, I hope you continue you education. NS might be one resource but it tends to be opinionated to the point of blindness.

Goodnight grasshopper, but first, snatch the pebble from my palm.

lol night

Looking back on it, I seem to have attacked the wrong person, Soffish was the person who's views I objected to. I will agree that changing moralities will lead to a fragmented population IF the changes occur suddenly. I do not think that a society's acceptance homosexual is really to be singled out, however. I don't think that it is any more of a dividing issue then women's sufferage. I agree also that the fall of a society is entirely too complex to attribute to a single factor, especially not the acceptance of homosexuality.

Well said, let's have a brew.

I'm legal..........in some countries....................................

Probably in mine. The great thing is it's within driving distance of yours, and Bush is universally hated here.

Plus the beer is better.

Probably in mine. The great thing is it's within driving distance of yours, and Bush is universally hated here.

Plus the beer is better.


buschit

Which part, the distance, Bush, or the Beer? I suppose that none of them are really true. Bush is generally disliked, and I happen to have liked more Canadian beers then American beers. Granted, I haven't really had a representative sample of either. Microbrews are pretty much the way to go, in my opinion. I think that they "major" beers from either country are pretty poor. This is the Labatt, Budweiser, Coors deal.

I personally (if i could) would vote bush into office. The economy isnt in shambles if you havnt watched the news the econamy is constintly growing jobs are returning (thought not as fast as President Bush said they would) The war in iraq isnt a complete reck its just one city of wich is about to be blown to bits (I hope thats an over statment) I could care less what bush's reason was to go there i think its way over due. As for Kerry hes all over the place. I mean he votes for the war yet votes against paying for it. He says he will not raise taxes yet thats what a majority of his votes are. He waves around is "i got shot" badges and expect that to get me to give him sympathy or something? I respect his veterancy but theres alot of veterans and they arent saying "i got shot vote for me!" Also i really dont think having a new guy in office right now is a good idea Bush has a good sense of whats going on and last thing we need is a president who is just being filled in about the details. I dont know much about that third guy but i know that he isnt gonna win since hes not a dem or rep (a shame aint it?) but hey less votes for kerry!

dang my bad spelling again! and i ment though not thought..its to early in the morning for this crud v_v -ZzZzZ

dang my bad spelling again! and i ment though not thought..its to early in the morning for this crud v_v -ZzZzZ


that's what the little edit button on your posts is for


you know, the one with the little scissors cutting paper icon


it allows you to change your post as many times as you like

the x button allows you to delete posts that have not been replied to.

now if you edit after the post have been replied to, or another post has been added to the thread the post will note the edit.

it will also note each subsequent edit

It's not just one city. It's a war in which there really is no way to gracefully exit. And as a war, world opinion is becoming more and more polarized into pro and anti American views. And I think that my distrust of the current US government isn't limited to Bush. I think that the greater threats are from Chaney, Perle, Wolfowitz, and Kristol. These are figures that have been shaping American foriegn policy since the Regan era, and are likely to continue their involvement in the "New American Century" after a little Democrat interlude.

Gemetria, what is the Canadian government like? I haven't studied it yet in school.

A few things I'd like to state:

1.) to address the "being gay is about love" comment. This is not true. Nor is it true for being straight. Being gay is about being physically attracted to a person of the same sex. And humans tend to "fall in love" with the gender that they're physically attracted to... :?

2.) the radical left can be just as detrimental as the radical right.

3.) it's not too smart to "just vote for the other guy" as opposed to Bush. That shows immaturity, really. Vote for the person for whom you agree with and who you think will help the country the best and will uphold the principles of the constitution. and being liberal doesnt necessarily mean that you're right for the job... a conservative can uphold the principles of the constitution too... not all conservatives are religious maniacs focused on destroying the constitution. In fact, I know several atheist conservatives who disapprove of church and state mixing (and let's face it, that's the big argument when we start talkin about bush -- along with the Iraq war).

4.) Green Party all teh way!! the real difference (http://www.therealdifference.org/issues.html)

Can't....resist....

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/85500/85670iNQM_w.jpg

Got THAT out of my system!

A few things I'd like to state:

1.) to address the "being gay is about love" comment. This is not true. Nor is it true for being straight. Being gay is about being physically attracted to a person of the same sex. And humans tend to "fall in love" with the gender that they're physically attracted to... :?

2.) the radical left can be just as detrimental as the radical right.

3.) it's not too smart to "just vote for the other guy" as opposed to Bush. That shows immaturity, really. Vote for the person for whom you agree with and who you think will help the country the best and will uphold the principles of the constitution. and being liberal doesnt necessarily mean that you're right for the job... a conservative can uphold the principles of the constitution too... not all conservatives are religious maniacs focused on destroying the constitution. In fact, I know several atheist conservatives who disapprove of church and state mixing (and let's face it, that's the big argument when we start talkin about bush -- along with the Iraq war).

4.) Green Party all teh way!! the real difference (http://www.therealdifference.org/issues.html)

Voting third party is what's immature, not to mention irresponsible. Like I said earlier, a vote for nader or the green candidate or the libertarian = A VOTE FOR BUSH

I, being 13, unfortunately cannot vote.

C-Bass

The only thing worse than your situation is being 1 month too young to vote. :evil:

I feel for ya! Having been born in 1971, I missed the 1988 Presidential Election by six months, resulting in one less vote for Dukakis.

I agree with the topic title, Bush does suck. He might be a good President, if only he'd eat more pretzels!! :evil:

Question, though, if anyone knows...Did the Texas Rangers sign A-Rod when Dubya still owned them? Would be cool if they had, because then the same team woulda had both A-Rod...and A-Hole...at the same time!! :twisted:

By the way, I supported Gary Hart in '84, but he didn't get the nomination, so I'd have voted Mondale. In '80, I woulda voted Carter. I also woulda voted Carter in '76, McGovern in '72, Humphrey in '68, Johnson in '64 and Kennedy in '60.

Not sure who the Democrat was in '56 but I'd have voted him in '56 over Ike. Likewise, I'd have voted the Democrat (was it Truman?) in '52...Truman in '48, FDR in '44, '40, '36, and '32.

Get the picture?

I would NEVER vote for a Repugnican President...NEVER!!

Yellow-dog Democrat here.

Far as I'm concerned, GOP stands for Greedy Oinking Pigs!

I feel for ya! Having been born in 1971, I missed the 1988 Presidential Election by six months, resulting in one less vote for Dukakis.

Come on, I'm from Massachusetts and a Democrat, and even I can admit Dukakis would have sucked.


Question, though, if anyone knows...Did the Texas Rangers sign A-Rod when Dubya still owned them? Would be cool if they had, because then the same team woulda had both A-Rod...and A-Hole...at the same time!! :twisted:


No. Bush sold his interest in the Rangers before he became Governor. Rodriguez wasn't a Ranger until 3 years ago.

ugh, I got confused and clicked the wrong one. Actually this poll should have more options.

A few things I'd like to state:

1.) to address the "being gay is about love" comment. This is not true. Nor is it true for being straight. Being gay is about being physically attracted to a person of the same sex. And humans tend to "fall in love" with the gender that they're physically attracted to... :?

2.) the radical left can be just as detrimental as the radical right.

3.) it's not too smart to "just vote for the other guy" as opposed to Bush. That shows immaturity, really. Vote for the person for whom you agree with and who you think will help the country the best and will uphold the principles of the constitution. and being liberal doesnt necessarily mean that you're right for the job... a conservative can uphold the principles of the constitution too... not all conservatives are religious maniacs focused on destroying the constitution. In fact, I know several atheist conservatives who disapprove of church and state mixing (and let's face it, that's the big argument when we start talkin about bush -- along with the Iraq war).

4.) Green Party all teh way!! the real difference (http://www.therealdifference.org/issues.html)

Voting third party is what's immature, not to mention irresponsible. Like I said earlier, a vote for nader or the green candidate or the libertarian = A VOTE FOR BUSH

not if enough people vote third party. if the green party or any third party gets enough recognition... we may finally be able to get out of this damned 2-party system. it's better in the long run.

Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a "meh" option on this pole. I don't hate bush and I don't love bush. The same goes for kerry. That's the reason neither one of them is getting my vote.

Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a "meh" option on this pole. I don't hate bush and I don't love bush. The same goes for kerry. That's the reason neither one of them is getting my vote.

that's irresponsible and immature

Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a "meh" option on this pole. I don't hate bush and I don't love bush. The same goes for kerry. That's the reason neither one of them is getting my vote.

that's irresponsible and immature


No it's not, it's the way he feels. If he's indifferent for both then WHY should he vote for either? One will win and there it'll be. I'm sure if he finds an issue that draws him closer to one of the two then he'll vote for them. As for voting for the green party, that isn't immature or irresponsible either, that's voting for who they believe should win. Which is what we're entitled to do, is it not? Sadly most people are sponged into the flashy campaign adds of the two main parties, so the green party is rarely even noticed. Derogatory comments and criticism placed on those who choose to think different is lame. nyeh

Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a "meh" option on this pole. I don't hate bush and I don't love bush. The same goes for kerry. That's the reason neither one of them is getting my vote.

that's irresponsible and immature


No it's not, it's the way he feels. If he's indifferent for both then WHY should he vote for either? One will win and there it'll be. I'm sure if he finds an issue that draws him closer to one of the two then he'll vote for them. As for voting for the green party, that isn't immature or irresponsible either, that's voting for who they believe should win. Which is what we're entitled to do, is it not? Sadly most people are sponged into the flashy campaign adds of the two main parties, so the green party is rarely even noticed. Derogatory comments and criticism placed on those who choose to think different is lame. nyeh

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

Just out of curiosity, what will you do assuming Bush is re-elected?

Cry my face off.

Cry my face off.

cry my face off also

then probably catch a bus to washington dc and protest in front of the white house as long as possible

i dont just say i'll do stuff, I do it.

Cry my face off.

cry my face off also

then probably catch a bus to washington dc and protest in front of the white house as long as possible

i dont just say i'll do stuff, I do it.

Cry my face off.

cry my face off also

then probably catch a bus to washington dc and protest in front of the white house as long as possible

i dont just say i'll do stuff, I do it.

I feel for ya! Having been born in 1971, I missed the 1988 Presidential Election by six months, resulting in one less vote for Dukakis.

Come on, I'm from Massachusetts and a Democrat, and even I can admit Dukakis would have sucked.


Question, though, if anyone knows...Did the Texas Rangers sign A-Rod when Dubya still owned them? Would be cool if they had, because then the same team woulda had both A-Rod...and A-Hole...at the same time!! :twisted:


No. Bush sold his interest in the Rangers before he became Governor. Rodriguez wasn't a Ranger until 3 years ago.
You're right, of course...Dukakis woulda sucked. but I'm thinking he would not have sucked as bad as Poppy.
Problem is, these days, with elections, we get to choose between two bad choices. There never seems to be a good choice anymore.

In fact, back in 1988 I got a joke fax, which perfectly summed up the Presidential Election.

It had a picture of a vagina, on legs, running...and the caption underneath it said "de Bush" and a picture of a penis, on legs, running, to the left of the running vagina, so that the penis was chasing the vagina. The caption under that one said "de Kakis."

The main caption under that said: "The TRUE 1988 Presidential race: It's just one f**king thing after another!"

:P

Maybe it's just me but there needs to be a "meh" option on this pole. I don't hate bush and I don't love bush. The same goes for kerry. That's the reason neither one of them is getting my vote.

that's irresponsible and immature


No it's not, it's the way he feels. If he's indifferent for both then WHY should he vote for either? One will win and there it'll be. I'm sure if he finds an issue that draws him closer to one of the two then he'll vote for them. As for voting for the green party, that isn't immature or irresponsible either, that's voting for who they believe should win. Which is what we're entitled to do, is it not? Sadly most people are sponged into the flashy campaign adds of the two main parties, so the green party is rarely even noticed. Derogatory comments and criticism placed on those who choose to think different is lame. nyeh

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

AMEN!! Especially when that 5 percent causes the bigger asshole to get elected.

If Bush does something good it's labled as "The people" doing it, and if he does something not so good it's immediately brought up and he's accused of being an ass. I have a feeling you'll have the same feelings towards Kerry if he's elected.. Poor presidents :?

If Bush does something good it's labled as "The people" doing it, and if he does something not so good it's immediately brought up and he's accused of being an ass. I have a feeling you'll have the same feelings towards Kerry if he's elected.. Poor presidents :?

Well, Kerry was actually my LAST choice in the Primaries, but I really only have 2 major beefs with Kerry. One is his vote on Iraq. The other is his stance on not including transgender people in ENDA.

This is why, if Kerry wins in '04, I will NOT vote for him in '08, and I'll go third party then. Right now, getting Bush out of offie is too important to let my personal grudges against Kerry stand in the way. But my vote this time out is more a vote AGAINST BUSH rather than FOR KERRY.

If there were a snowball's chance in hell of any third-party candidate actually beating Bush, I'd vote for him. But since there isn't, Kerry will get my vote, very reluctantly. But I hate Bush so much that I'll do anything I can, legally, to get him out!

No, Kerry wont be, in my opinion, the ideal President. I don't like him, and I don't really support him, either. So, I may tend to pile on Kerry too, if he screws up. But it should be understood I didn't want him in the first place. I wanted Dean.

I ended up voting Edwards (my second choice) in the primaries, because Dean had dropped out by the time of the Texas Primaries. I'm hoping Kerry will pick Edwards as his running mate, giving me at least half of the ticket I can vote FOR. In fact, if Edwards ends up the running mate, I may yet vote Kerry in '08, just so that we can line up Edwards for '12.

Of course, being as I live in Texas, my vote for Kerry '04 ain't gonna matter much, Bush will carry Texas, and it's Electorals cannot be split...unlike, say, Maine, which does allow for split electorals. So, I COULD vote 3rd party in '04 with no harm done. Because Kerry isn't going to carry Texas. But I won't do it, because I want my voice saying, loud and clear...NO MORE BUSH!! and the only way to do that is to vote for the guy most likely to unseat him...which, unfortunately, is Kerry.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent
Please. :roll:
Bush is the worst thing that happened to this country? Regressing 50 years? Why should I believe this any more then I should believe that my civil liberties are in grave danger? There's a trend around here where people make wild accusations and don't back them up.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent
Please. :roll:
Bush is the worst thing that happened to this country? Regressing 50 years? Why should I believe this any more then I should believe that my civil liberties are in grave danger? There's a trend around here where people make wild accusations and don't back them up.

why dont you back up why my accusations are false

hypocrite

Because, the country has neither regressed 50 years in the past four, nor have any of my liberties, that I know of or care about, been taken away. Is there the potential for abuse? Yes, but there always has been. The worst thing to happen to this country was probably the Civil War, too.

Besides, I was just saying the ol' talking points are meaningless without backup, so thats why I wasn't believing them. I didn't specifically state (until the post before this, but not my first response to your accusational post) what I thought until later.

Maybe i used too many words before.
For those in this discussion committed not to hearing other viewpoints,
don't read or think about it, you don't have to attack them.
For those in this discussion committed to wanting to know more about what is actually going on, independent of party affiliation or rhetoric, simply look it up or discuss it with someone who presents links or some facts. There are a few people here who could put a formidable forum and column of useful information.
Personal liberties took a big hit in '96 and now are very greatly under attack, more than any other time i've been alive, at 31, here in the United States. I have the facts to back it up and have little problem with demonstrating them within my abilities.
Not knowing something or ignoring something doesn't make it not exist. Ever.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

the alien and sedition acts are worse than BUSH!!??? are you kidding me?

I learned about them in class this year, but due to the fact that the public school system is shitty, I forgot...and I'm not going to look them up...

Anyway, however horrible they were I don't think Bush could possibly be better than they.

Really, you're just denying reality here.

The Alien and Sedition acts were blatantly unconstitutional, while the Patriot Act (written by Democrats and passed by a Democratic-controlled Senate) comes nowhere close to what the A&S acts were. No suprise your not bothering to look them up and just chosing to believe that Bush is worse.

Really, you're just denying reality here.

The Alien and Sedition acts were blatantly unconstitutional, while the Patriot Act (written by Democrats and passed by a Democratic-controlled Senate) comes nowhere close to what the A&S acts were. No suprise your not bothering to look them up and just chosing to believe that Bush is worse.

k explain them, without looking them up of course

M'kay, Bush aint exactly the best President we have ever had, but do you REALLY want Kerry to be in charge?
Think a moment, at least Bush doesnt want to turn the US into France Jr.

And no, Im not really an extremist conservative, I just look like it.
I consider myself a Republicrat. :P

M'kay, Bush aint exactly the best President we have ever had, but do you REALLY want Kerry to be in charge?

Yes, oh lord yes. This is akin to the analogy that we shouldn't change out Bush or Rummy because it will either give comfort to the terrorists (which is an absurd argument) or because you don't want to change midway through. Yeah, let us all stick with a president that is driving the country into a brick wall. Sure there is a brick wall ahead but we don't want to change drivers....why, that'd be dumb!

C-Bass, don't know you, but its always great to see someone younger taking an interest in their world. And if you would like another good leftist website, try out Eric Blumrich's site. I'll give you a link to one of his productions: http://www.ericblumrich.com/year.html

Really, you're just denying reality here.

The Alien and Sedition acts were blatantly unconstitutional, while the Patriot Act (written by Democrats and passed by a Democratic-controlled Senate) comes nowhere close to what the A&S acts were. No suprise your not bothering to look them up and just chosing to believe that Bush is worse.

k explain them, without looking them up of course

Passed in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. By a Senate that was 50 Dem, 49 Rep, and one Independent. Hardly much of a majority to be able to stand up for things, especially in the heat of the moment.

Many of the Democrats who voted for the Patriot Act have since expressed regret and concern for their support of it...because they now see the ways in which this law can be abused....with horrible consequences.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

Yeah...but the Alien and Sedition Acts were REPEALED!!

Now we need to repeal Bush! Before more protestors get shot. Or before protestors start disappearing, and showing up in military brigs, stripped of their citizenship and classed as "enemy combatants!" For standing up for what they believe. Which is the most fundamental off all rights Americans have had and enjoyed through most of our history.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

Yeah...but the Alien and Sedition Acts were REPEALED!!

Now we need to repeal Bush! Before more protestors get shot. Or before protestors start disappearing, and showing up in military brigs, stripped of their citizenship and classed as "enemy combatants!" For standing up for what they believe. Which is the most fundamental off all rights Americans have had and enjoyed through most of our history.

I seriously hope your joking about that. Nobody in power would do something that obviously stupid, unless they're trying to become a dictator, and don't say Bush is a complete moron. He isn't, in fact he probably knows a lot more about polotics and government than most of you ever will. Shooting protesters was something Saddam did, not something Bush will ever do.

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

Yeah...but the Alien and Sedition Acts were REPEALED!!

Now we need to repeal Bush! Before more protestors get shot. Or before protestors start disappearing, and showing up in military brigs, stripped of their citizenship and classed as "enemy combatants!" For standing up for what they believe. Which is the most fundamental off all rights Americans have had and enjoyed through most of our history.

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Have any of you read our Constitution and understand what it says? Congress writes all laws and controls the money. The President can not raise taxes or lower spending - only Congress can do that. The Congress has been spending more than what is being brought in for over 30 years.

Congress came up with the Patriot Act and then passed it - all the President can do is SIGN/VETO. The Congress can then override a VETO.

Let's deal in FACTS, not feelings. A lot of stuff sounds good but is really CRAP.

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

Bush's crusade isn't fighting against al-Qaeda. We were doing so in Afghanistan and then Bush removed the specialists in Afghanistan who were trained in for combat in mountainous regions to prep them for Iraq. Iraq was not a problem until we invaded. Now it is becoming a region for nurturing terrorism. Good job by Bush to make the world less safe.

The analogy that we'd lose our right to say such things should Bush lose the election? In the last 4 years we've seen our civil rights and liberties scaled back immensely. Bush has done severe damage to the right of the American people to protest. Free speech zones are but one example of this. The Patriot Act is allowing our government to peep into our lives without any justifiable reason to do so. Ever taken a look at how many people Ashcroft has looked into and what has resulted from this? Tens of thousands of violations of privacy now allowed by the Patriot Act without one single arrest resulting. Gross abuses of the Patriot Act....for example, the Republican Party of Texas calling out for federal assistance to track down Democratic legislators and using the Patriot Act in an illegal manner to get their will done. Even the president himself....his campaign stops (which he continues to call presidential visits so the taxpayer must fund them) are closely scrutinized to not allow any opposition into the crowd. This is an unnatural trend for our country for presidents to stifle opposition from voicing their concerns. And when people opposed do get a chance to speak, they are shouted down by the bleating sheep that they are anti-American and are aiding terrorism. It does not aid terrorism to practice your right of opposition.

During the Gulf War, I remember hearing people opposed back in the states. That didn't bother me. My parents were opposed to the Gulf War and we had some excellent discussions about that, yet my morale didn't suffer. It was nice to hear a dichotomy of opinion in a rationale manner without any accusations of "aiding and comforting the enemy." Now we have Republican lawmakers accusing anyone who dares disagree with the machine that they are akin to terrorists should they even raise any questions. Republican John McCain is hardly a terrorist is he? We then have to listen to people like James Inhof (whatever his last name is) say that the people who expose torture are the ones who are evil and that torture really isn't that bad, unless its against an American. Well I wonder how he'd feel about torture if it were to happen to him? Would he still view it as no worse than a fraternity hazing? That sends our military the wrong message. We also have the Armed Services up in arms at the Bush Regime bestows military awards on private contractors! That is appalling that the line between military and civilian is so blurred that private contractors earning 10 times what their military counterparts make are awarded Purple Hearts. Simply appalling.

People who tell others to leave the country because they disagree with the president obviously have short term memories or just hate the American way of life. Where was your support during the Clinton years? Didn't we have Republican Congressmen saying that "I don't have to support the president in order to support our troops." If you don't like the American way of life, then I'm sorry you feel that way. I won't ask you to leave this country because you disagree with my feelings because I can deal with disagreement in a better way than by shouting asinine playground taunts.

Try living in Iran, China, or Saudi Arabia? Interesting choice of countries. Why is the Bush regime so closely allied to Saudi Arabia that they won't release the Saudi involvement in 9/11? Why did Bush use kid gloves when China wouldn't release military personnel that had to make an emergency landing? Do you remember that or was that somehow also Clinton's fault? Why did we not focus on countries that could pose true threats to our own nation? Iran, which is actively seeking nuclear capabilities? Saudi Arabia, which boasts a large populace that is increasingly hostile to all things American and was home to the majority of those responsible for 9/11? North Korea, which our own intelligence states that they possess possibly a dozen nuclear warheads? Pakistan, which has openly admitted selling nuclear secrets to countries that sponsor terrorism? Why Iraq? Ask yourself that several times and try not to answer with propaganda that you've heard over and over again. Or simply ask yourself the question: why is it ok to invade a nation when all the pretexts for invasion have proven false? Is a pre-emptive war with faulty rationale what you perceive to be the American way?

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

Yeah...but the Alien and Sedition Acts were REPEALED!!

Now we need to repeal Bush! Before more protestors get shot. Or before protestors start disappearing, and showing up in military brigs, stripped of their citizenship and classed as "enemy combatants!" For standing up for what they believe. Which is the most fundamental off all rights Americans have had and enjoyed through most of our history.

I seriously hope your joking about that. Nobody in power would do something that obviously stupid, unless they're trying to become a dictator, and don't say Bush is a complete moron. He isn't, in fact he probably knows a lot more about polotics and government than most of you ever will. Shooting protesters was something Saddam did, not something Bush will ever do.

He WOULD...if he thought he could get away with it!! I truly believe Bush is evil incarnate!

bush is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. 4 more years and the country will regress 50 god damn years

i dont want my rights taken away and it pisses me off when people vote for a candidate who would be lucky to get 5 percent

ROFL... If anything, the Civil War and Vietnam are the worst things to happen to this nation. You know habeas corpus? Say bye-bye to that because Lincoln suspended that right. Kent State? Protestors shot. It's a helluva lot worse.

Even the Alien and Sedition Acts? That's alot worse than Bush.

Yeah...but the Alien and Sedition Acts were REPEALED!!

Now we need to repeal Bush! Before more protestors get shot. Or before protestors start disappearing, and showing up in military brigs, stripped of their citizenship and classed as "enemy combatants!" For standing up for what they believe. Which is the most fundamental off all rights Americans have had and enjoyed through most of our history.

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Have any of you read our Constitution and understand what it says? Congress writes all laws and controls the money. The President can not raise taxes or lower spending - only Congress can do that. The Congress has been spending more than what is being brought in for over 30 years.

Congress came up with the Patriot Act and then passed it - all the President can do is SIGN/VETO. The Congress can then override a VETO.

Let's deal in FACTS, not feelings. A lot of stuff sounds good but is really CRAP.

Yes...but the President can INFLUENCE...

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

You know what? Your comments ain't even WORTH a response! Besides, Thunderland said it very well...he left out nothing I would have included, should I actually have chosen to write out a well-thought out response, instead of following my gut reaction, which would be to give you a two-word response...and I don't think you need much imagination to figure out what my two-word response would have been if I had given in to my impulses.
But, just in case you are still not able to figure out what my two-word response might have been...know also my response could have been conveyed with one finger...and I'll let you guess which one!

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

You know what? Your comments ain't even WORTH a response! Besides, Thunderland said it very well...he left out nothing I would have included, should I actually have chosen to write out a well-thought out response, instead of following my gut reaction, which would be to give you a two-word response...and I don't think you need much imagination to figure out what my two-word response would have been if I had given in to my impulses.
But, just in case you are still not able to figure out what my two-word response might have been...know also my response could have been conveyed with one finger...and I'll let you guess which one!

WHAT? How dare you criticize the greatest man to walk the Earth since Jesus Christ himself??? President Bush is above criticism! He held this nation together after 9/11, he liberated two countries, and he's protecting the homeland! And he's upholding moral values when no one else will! So cram it, you un-American SOB!

OK, enough sarcasm; Labrador, I hope you realize that the above comment is a joke and that I hate Dubya as much as you do. And frankly, people with the attitude I mimicked above are the ones who should cram it for acting un-American.

you're 13 years old.

You weren't even born yet when Desert Storm hit.

Learn some history, take a few CWP classes, then vote :)

Don't judge me based on my age. I know just as much about politics as you do.

Capsule Corporation being judgmental again huh.. :twisted:

What can you expect from someone who defends Bushy? :lol: you're talking about being non-judgemental by making a judgemental statement.

Just a question. Has anyone actually sat down and read the Patriot Act or are you parroting what you heard from the likes of Al Frankin, NPR, Michael Moore and Alan Combs? :oops:

Just a question. Has anyone actually sat down and read the Patriot Act or are you parroting what you heard from the likes of Al Frankin, NPR, Michael Moore and Alan Combs? :oops:

Ive heard the ACLU talk about the bad sections and yeah theyre pretty bad--its a full frontal assault on privacy rights and Patriot Act part 2 will expand the rights of big brother to rape our privacy even more

From what I've noticed most people are stupid to come up with their own opinions and just repeat whatever they hear in media. That's what its there for. Even I take some of their stances, not all though. I don't take everything they say seriously, but if I were I would think that all American soldiers deserved to die.
I remember listening to BBC on the radio once and they were talking about how the soldiers were "trigger happy" when they shot the bus/car when it wouldn't stop. Do you guys remember that? In the end it was full of civilians, but wouldn't stop when signaled too. What type of news corporation calls soldiers who are fighting "trigger happy?"
Fighting has strange influences on people, and honestly I would probably be holding my gun extremely close and firing on anything that moved if I were in Afghanistan, or Iraq.

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

You know what? Your comments ain't even WORTH a response! Besides, Thunderland said it very well...he left out nothing I would have included, should I actually have chosen to write out a well-thought out response, instead of following my gut reaction, which would be to give you a two-word response...and I don't think you need much imagination to figure out what my two-word response would have been if I had given in to my impulses.
But, just in case you are still not able to figure out what my two-word response might have been...know also my response could have been conveyed with one finger...and I'll let you guess which one!

WHAT? How dare you criticize the greatest man to walk the Earth since Jesus Christ himself??? President Bush is above criticism! He held this nation together after 9/11, he liberated two countries, and he's protecting the homeland! And he's upholding moral values when no one else will! So cram it, you un-American SOB!

OK, enough sarcasm; Labrador, I hope you realize that the above comment is a joke and that I hate Dubya as much as you do. And frankly, people with the attitude I mimicked above are the ones who should cram it for acting un-American.

Sarcasm shouldn't have its place in a discussion like this, I've had this thought in my head for awhile that people who can't talk with an educated, well thought out response usually don't know what they're talking about.

And while we're talking about being educated, a lot of you need to learn to either spell or use grammer.

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

I'm for Bush all the way, but calling people dumbasses doesn't do anything except make you look like one. Besides, it seems to me that 90% of the people who do it are all democrats or are talking about Bush. I would like to think that I'm above that and therefore better because of it. Seeing it from someone who is for Bush, makes me madder than if someone was calling pro-Bush people dumbasses. We need all the educated people we can get, and what your doing isnt helping.

If both sides were well-educated and could rationally debate items without resorting to name calling and politcal grandstanding, then the world would be a better place. But you have to admit....those that resort to the gutter stuff sure make life much more fun. And Ren, I think that perhaps you believe more Democrats are guilty of this because you are more prone to listening to their differing viewpoint with a discerning ear. Just as I am about Republicans and what they say. I'm sure the truth is that both sides have their equal share of trash speak. But for sake of matters, I won't admit to it darn it!

If both sides were well-educated and could rationally debate items without resorting to name calling and politcal grandstanding, then the world would be a better place. But you have to admit....those that resort to the gutter stuff sure make life much more fun. And Ren, I think that perhaps you believe more Democrats are guilty of this because you are more prone to listening to their differing viewpoint with a discerning ear. Just as I am about Republicans and what they say. I'm sure the truth is that both sides have their equal share of trash speak. But for sake of matters, I won't admit to it darn it!

Well, I've come to change my mind on that. I'm used to seeing people just bash Bush, but now that I've come here I see that there are just as many stupid republicans as there are democrats.

Look, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, eh?So here's mine:

Bush was the Texas Governor.It's the weakest governor's office out of the entire USA.

Just about every business he tried to do on his own failed..and he thinks he can take on the problems of an entire country? I fail to see the logic.

He conveniently became a Born-Again around election time, imo, to get more votes.

He's trying to undone decades of environmental legislation..in just 4 years..which we NEED,if we want to have a habitable planet, in the long term future.And in the short term, one we can be PROUD of.

I'm already planning on moving to Canada...have a place picked out and everything. My family intends to move,too, if he gets re-elected.

Look, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, eh?So here's mine:

Bush was the Texas Governor.It's the weakest governor's office out of the entire USA.

Just about every business he tried to do on his own failed..and he thinks he can take on the problems of an entire country? I fail to see the logic.

He conveniently became a Born-Again around election time, imo, to get more votes.

He's trying to undone decades of environmental legislation..in just 4 years..which we NEED,if we want to have a habitable planet, in the long term future.And in the short term, one we can be PROUD of.

I'm already planning on moving to Canada...have a place picked out and everything. My family intends to move,too, if he gets re-elected.

Then by all means go ahead.

Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

You know what? Your comments ain't even WORTH a response! Besides, Thunderland said it very well...he left out nothing I would have included, should I actually have chosen to write out a well-thought out response, instead of following my gut reaction, which would be to give you a two-word response...and I don't think you need much imagination to figure out what my two-word response would have been if I had given in to my impulses.
But, just in case you are still not able to figure out what my two-word response might have been...know also my response could have been conveyed with one finger...and I'll let you guess which one!

WHAT? How dare you criticize the greatest man to walk the Earth since Jesus Christ himself??? President Bush is above criticism! He held this nation together after 9/11, he liberated two countries, and he's protecting the homeland! And he's upholding moral values when no one else will! So cram it, you un-American SOB!

OK, enough sarcasm; Labrador, I hope you realize that the above comment is a joke and that I hate Dubya as much as you do. And frankly, people with the attitude I mimicked above are the ones who should cram it for acting un-American.

I gathered as much. I started snickering before I got two sentences into your reply. Because you did an excellent job of imitating the Bush butt-kissers. I so love good sarcasm...

From what I've noticed most people are stupid to come up with their own opinions and just repeat whatever they hear in media. That's what its there for. Even I take some of their stances, not all though. I don't take everything they say seriously, but if I were I would think that all American soldiers deserved to die.
I remember listening to BBC on the radio once and they were talking about how the soldiers were "trigger happy" when they shot the bus/car when it wouldn't stop. Do you guys remember that? In the end it was full of civilians, but wouldn't stop when signaled too. What type of news corporation calls soldiers who are fighting "trigger happy?"
Fighting has strange influences on people, and honestly I would probably be holding my gun extremely close and firing on anything that moved if I were in Afghanistan, or Iraq.

Well, shit...you ever think maybe the bus driver was SCARED?? I mean, shit...if someone's training a shitload of firepower on your ass, are you more likely to stop and give them a chance to use it on you, or are you gonna floor it?? People do not always act rationally when they are scared.

If both sides were well-educated and could rationally debate items without resorting to name calling and politcal grandstanding, then the world would be a better place. But you have to admit....those that resort to the gutter stuff sure make life much more fun. And Ren, I think that perhaps you believe more Democrats are guilty of this because you are more prone to listening to their differing viewpoint with a discerning ear. Just as I am about Republicans and what they say. I'm sure the truth is that both sides have their equal share of trash speak. But for sake of matters, I won't admit to it darn it!

Yeah. Repukes have their own "code words." Whenever you hear..."family values," "Christian morals," then you know a full frontal assault on the privacy of certain "undesireable" groups is occurring. They mask and cloak their hatred, bigotry, and prejudice, and they do it well. but for those, like me, who can see thru the smoke screen...well, personally, the code words they use always sends a chill up my spine when they use them, because my first question is always...okay, how are they going to f**k me over this time?? What are they going to do NOW that makes my life even more miserable??

Sorry Guys but this is gonna be a looonnng post. So...
Alright I've pretty much read every post on this thread and there were a few points I definitely had to make. So listen up (especially you Soffish) and ready your replies.

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.

2.)While we are on the subject of homosexuality let it be stated that Rome assimilated Greece and that it was Christianity which killed the Roman empire. Something like how the constant switcing of the state religion did Egypt in.

3.)Clinton Bashing-- I have a big problem with this since Clinton is the closest thing to a black president I'm ever likely to see in my lifetime. I mean I found Clinton to be effective in his administration. I also realize he was only human and did the best he could, which is more than Bush can say. However I will say that more than likely Bush did not wish to be president but was pushed into it by his father.

4.)The Republicans at one time were for the rights of the people, but since that time have become experts at working for only a select group. In order to continue in their design they have learn to reword everything thrown at them so that it either sounds completely different from what it is or it is too confusing to be understood by the general public. Thus the Republicians and especially the Bush adminstration have been able to talk their way out of everything.

5.)It has been mentioned quite a bit that the "liberals" are mass-producing propoganda, but lets be honest people the Bush adminstration is the reigning champion of propoganda. Through such venues as the Fox news channel they have insured that a difinite spin is put on the news so that it is in their favor. Remember the Dixie Chicks scandal? Or the Jesse Jackson thing? Or the Rev. Al Sharpton incident? Everytime someone critizes the Adminstration their dirty laundary pops up from nowhere. And here is something else that didn't get a lot of air play. Their were two girls who died at the same time. One of them was fighting in Iraq and the other was protesting in the Isreali/Palesteanin (can't spell sorry) conflict. The soldier was shot and the protestor was runover by an Isreali tank. Guess who was treated as a martyer and who was ignored?

6.)As far as the systematic destruction of the Bill of Rights I'll just mention the recent ban on showing images of the caskets of dead soldiers.

7.)Finally I'll end on this note someone mentioned that Bush enacted many policies. However they forgot or were not aware that most of these laws and/or policies would not go into place until long after Bush was conveniately out of office. So really he hasn't done anything except waste billions; dig us into debt which we the youth of today and our children will never stop paying for; and lose the lives of thousands for a cause that was drummed up.

Well I actually have more, but this is more than enough for now. So, reply.

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.
If religion was the only factor, then you would be right to consider it unconstitutional. Seeing as it is not the big reason people are arguing against it (at least, it may be the *reason* they are, but not the reasons they are giving, which is what matters in law).

2.)While we are on the subject of homosexuality let it be stated that Rome assimilated Greece and that it was Christianity which killed the Roman empire. Something like how the constant switcing of the state religion did Egypt in.
No, barbarians, civil war, poor leadership, hyperinflation, mutinies, and bad policies are what really killed the Roman Empire. Note that the Eastern Half, Christian as well, survived for almost one thousand years after the Western half fell.

3.)Clinton Bashing-- I have a big problem with this since Clinton is the closest thing to a black president I'm ever likely to see in my lifetime. I mean I found Clinton to be effective in his administration. I also realize he was only human and did the best he could, which is more than Bush can say. However I will say that more than likely Bush did not wish to be president but was pushed into it by his father.
Closest thing to a Black President? :shock: I didn't know a White person could be any closer to being Black than the next White man.

6.)As far as the systematic destruction of the Bill of Rights I'll just mention the recent ban on showing images of the caskets of dead soldiers.
As if the families of the military soldiers don't have rights either? If they want to show their son's or daughter's funeral, let them send a letter to C-Span. Not have intrusive ABC reporters film them coming off the plane. Just like how the networks agreed to stop showing the jumping footage from the WTC attacks.

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.
If religion was the only factor, then you would be right to consider it unconstitutional. Seeing as it is not the big reason people are arguing against it (at least, it may be the *reason* they are, but not the reasons they are giving, which is what matters in law).

2.)While we are on the subject of homosexuality let it be stated that Rome assimilated Greece and that it was Christianity which killed the Roman empire. Something like how the constant switcing of the state religion did Egypt in.
No, barbarians, civil war, poor leadership, hyperinflation, mutinies, and bad policies are what really killed the Roman Empire. Note that the Eastern Half, Christian as well, survived for almost one thousand years after the Western half fell.

3.)Clinton Bashing-- I have a big problem with this since Clinton is the closest thing to a black president I'm ever likely to see in my lifetime. I mean I found Clinton to be effective in his administration. I also realize he was only human and did the best he could, which is more than Bush can say. However I will say that more than likely Bush did not wish to be president but was pushed into it by his father.
Closest thing to a Black President? :shock: I didn't know a White person could be any closer to being Black than the next White man.

6.)As far as the systematic destruction of the Bill of Rights I'll just mention the recent ban on showing images of the caskets of dead soldiers.
As if the families of the military soldiers don't have rights either? If they want to show their son's or daughter's funeral, let them send a letter to C-Span. Not have intrusive ABC reporters film them coming off the plane. Just like how the networks agreed to stop showing the jumping footage from the WTC attacks.
1.)Okay, I was merely stating a fact about the whole gay marriage thing.
I would appreciate if you could be specific about waht they are arguing about.

2.)It's a running joke in the black community.

3.)And finally, yes of course they have rights, however as an American I can say that America is a very superficial country. Thus if the surface of something is glossed over it's 'okay' and 'no one's upset'. That's why without constant pictures of caskets people feel better about being silent. Besides there are no names on the caskets, or any other identifying marks and so long as it remains that way it's fine.

Lab, I'm all for sarcasm. I love it. One of the few high humors left in life. But you've got to admit....the Repubs have the upper hand on catch phrases. I frankly believe it started with that darned Contract with America stuff. I wish our side would fight phrase with phrase. At the very least, rebuff that whole "compassionate conservative" garbage. How on earth does Bush get away with calling himself that on one hand and then mock a woman on death row that pled clemency? It just irks me to no end.

Oh yeah...um....Bush is destroying the environment but how does moving to Canada save someone from this? Did the Canadians erect an environmental barrier when I wasn't looking? We need to watch them dern Canucks. They're sneaky little devils.

http://www.ericblumrich.com/ihr.html You've got to see that Lab.....I laugh each time I watch it.

5.)It has been mentioned quite a bit that the "liberals" are mass-producing propoganda, but lets be honest people the Bush adminstration is the reigning champion of propoganda. Through such venues as the Fox news channel they have insured that a difinite spin is put on the news so that it is in their favor. Remember the Dixie Chicks scandal? Or the Jesse Jackson thing? Or the Rev. Al Sharpton incident? Everytime someone critizes the Adminstration their dirty laundary pops up from nowhere. And here is something else that didn't get a lot of air play. Their were two girls who died at the same time. One of them was fighting in Iraq and the other was protesting in the Isreali/Palesteanin (can't spell sorry) conflict. The soldier was shot and the protestor was runover by an Isreali tank. Guess who was treated as a martyer and who was ignored?

CNN the EXACT SAME THING except instead of doing it for the republicans, they do it for democrats. So number five is basically a mute point because its both sides faults.

5.)It has been mentioned quite a bit that the "liberals" are mass-producing propoganda, but lets be honest people the Bush adminstration is the reigning champion of propoganda. Through such venues as the Fox news channel they have insured that a difinite spin is put on the news so that it is in their favor. Remember the Dixie Chicks scandal? Or the Jesse Jackson thing? Or the Rev. Al Sharpton incident? Everytime someone critizes the Adminstration their dirty laundary pops up from nowhere. And here is something else that didn't get a lot of air play. Their were two girls who died at the same time. One of them was fighting in Iraq and the other was protesting in the Isreali/Palesteanin (can't spell sorry) conflict. The soldier was shot and the protestor was runover by an Isreali tank. Guess who was treated as a martyer and who was ignored?

CNN the EXACT SAME THING except instead of doing it for the republicans, they do it for democrats. So number five is basically a mute point because its both sides faults.

Maybe but think about this: as someone else stated their are more conservative puppets running around, and more of both kinds of puppets running around than impartial American sources. That's why I watch news channels from other nationalities.

Why is it so easy for BOTH sides of this argument to result to name calling and sheer emotional related ignorance based on what they've heard, to respond. It seems like those who get on these boards and support Bush (which I do to an extent.) are foolish country people or uneducated slobs who's emotional ups- and downs are they're only way of defending Bush. These people don't know what change is and don't want to. Many are followers. Then you have the other side, " Bush bashers", as they've been called, taking any cheap shots they can based on any mistakes that he has and will make. I believe some of these people would rather wait until our country was invaded, (hypothetically of course), or more planes would slam in to buildings, "just to be sure", before we did anything. People tend to just want to be heard, not accomplish anything, even with webites, flyers, posts, etc. Propaganda does not encourage either promotion for your views nor does actually further any party/view. All the constant bickering; nothing is accomplished. There are many liberals who respond politically to hurts and offenses and turn bitter, then you have many conservitives and Christian Repubs who resist any change and don't have true understanding; they become bitter. I have been on and seen both sides in my limited years of 18, and have come to realize one of the most important qualities in life. Balance. I do not mean balance in the compromising sense of the word, but in that understanding of it all and realizing your place. Leaders are leaders and never comform to any one set of ideas and living because they realize that there is balance necessary and that things must change; not in a conservitive OR a liberal way. Leaders know that things have to change for the better. Stop giving these slanted theories and saying I'm on one side or another, it's pointless. Instead try thinking of ways to change without the tension/ hate for another and get get stuff done. That's progress. Parties are foolish. :idea:

I don't necessarily agree that parties are foolish. I do, however, think that the 2 party system could use a tune up.

5.)It has been mentioned quite a bit that the "liberals" are mass-producing propoganda, but lets be honest people the Bush adminstration is the reigning champion of propoganda. Through such venues as the Fox news channel they have insured that a difinite spin is put on the news so that it is in their favor. Remember the Dixie Chicks scandal? Or the Jesse Jackson thing? Or the Rev. Al Sharpton incident? Everytime someone critizes the Adminstration their dirty laundary pops up from nowhere. And here is something else that didn't get a lot of air play. Their were two girls who died at the same time. One of them was fighting in Iraq and the other was protesting in the Isreali/Palesteanin (can't spell sorry) conflict. The soldier was shot and the protestor was runover by an Isreali tank. Guess who was treated as a martyer and who was ignored?

CNN the EXACT SAME THING except instead of doing it for the republicans, they do it for democrats. So number five is basically a mute point because its both sides faults.

Maybe but think about this: as someone else stated their are more conservative puppets running around, and more of both kinds of puppets running around than impartial American sources. That's why I watch news channels from other nationalities.

I do that sometimes, but I've noticed that its ends up being like CNN except 5 times worse. Calling our troops trigger happy in Iraq or Afghanistan.

And if you watch the really biased ones, all the terrorists short of Osama become martyrs.

Really, you're just denying reality here.

The Alien and Sedition acts were blatantly unconstitutional, while the Patriot Act (written by Democrats and passed by a Democratic-controlled Senate) comes nowhere close to what the A&S acts were. No suprise your not bothering to look them up and just chosing to believe that Bush is worse.

k explain them, without looking them up of course

Passed in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. By a Senate that was 50 Dem, 49 Rep, and one Independent. Hardly much of a majority to be able to stand up for things, especially in the heat of the moment.

Many of the Democrats who voted for the Patriot Act have since expressed regret and concern for their support of it...because they now see the ways in which this law can be abused....with horrible consequences.

Oh i thought he meant the alien and sedition acts of the 1700s

Well, since it took about 10 seconds that you were unwilling to spare to look up the A&S acts (which is what I meant), here it is :

"Under the threat of war with France, Congress in 1798 passed four laws in an effort to strengthen the Federal government. Known collectively as the Alien and Sedition Acts, the legislation sponsored by the Federalists was also intended to quell any political opposition from the Republicans, led by Thomas Jefferson.

The first of the laws was the Naturalization Act, passed by Congress on June 18. This act required that aliens be residents for 14 years instead of 5 years before they became eligible for U.S. citizenship.

Congress then passed the Alien Act on June 25, authorizing the President to deport aliens "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" during peacetime.

The third law, the Alien Enemies Act, was enacted by Congress on July 6. This act allowed the wartime arrest, imprisonment and deportation of any alien subject to an enemy power.

The last of the laws, the Sedition Act, passed on July 14 declared that any treasonable activity, including the publication of "any false, scandalous and malicious writing," was a high misdemeanor, punishable by fine and imprisonment. By virtue of this legislation twenty-five men, most of them editors of Republican newspapers, were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down.

One of the men arrested was Benjamin Franklin's grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora. Charged with libeling President Adams, Bache's arrest erupted in a public outcry against all of the Alien and Sedition Acts. "

Well, since it took about 10 seconds that you were unwilling to spare to look up the A&S acts (which is what I meant), here it is :

"Under the threat of war with France, Congress in 1798 passed four laws in an effort to strengthen the Federal government. Known collectively as the Alien and Sedition Acts, the legislation sponsored by the Federalists was also intended to quell any political opposition from the Republicans, led by Thomas Jefferson.

The first of the laws was the Naturalization Act, passed by Congress on June 18. This act required that aliens be residents for 14 years instead of 5 years before they became eligible for U.S. citizenship.

Congress then passed the Alien Act on June 25, authorizing the President to deport aliens "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" during peacetime.

The third law, the Alien Enemies Act, was enacted by Congress on July 6. This act allowed the wartime arrest, imprisonment and deportation of any alien subject to an enemy power.

The last of the laws, the Sedition Act, passed on July 14 declared that any treasonable activity, including the publication of "any false, scandalous and malicious writing," was a high misdemeanor, punishable by fine and imprisonment. By virtue of this legislation twenty-five men, most of them editors of Republican newspapers, were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down.

One of the men arrested was Benjamin Franklin's grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora. Charged with libeling President Adams, Bache's arrest erupted in a public outcry against all of the Alien and Sedition Acts. "

Do you know if these acts have any bearing on the detainment of Japanese during WWII? Or like the Communist scare of the thirties(?) ?

I don't necessarily agree that parties are foolish. I do, however, think that the 2 party system could use a tune up.

You may be more accurate but I got a little carried away. However, is there a party that would honestly have the neccessary understanding and balance? :?:

They were repealed in 1800 by Thomas Jefferson.

I don't think they had a bearing on either. And don't forget that the Japanese weren't the only ones placed in internment camps during World war II.

The economy is in shambles,.

Have you been paying attention at all to the news as of late? Almost all of it has been positive thus far. Economic growth rates are at their highest levels in decades (http://www.money.com/2003/10/30/news/economy/gdp), consumer confidence is up (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4844380), employment numbers are up (http://www.cnn.com/money/2004/04/02/news/economy/jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes), and the feds are going to raise interest rates in response to what they see as an improving market. Pretty much every single aspect of the economy is either already growing, or expected to improve according to most economists. The only really negative aspect of the about the economy that I do see is national debt (as you already mentioned), and that’s been going up for decades.

Anyway, here are a few more links you might want to check out:

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) measures came in at 4.2%. (CBS Market Watch *) (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BB0AB6012%2D9186%2D439B%2D8E27%2DF28F2020E534%7D&siteid=mktw)

Bush hails jobs numbers, economy (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/02/bush.jobs)

Most economists credit Bush tax cuts with rebound (USA Today) (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-16-whatfixedit_x.htm)

Housing [market] starts climbing (MSNBC) (http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/981614.asp?0bl=-0)

U.S. nonfarm payrolls grew by a surprising 308,000 in March, the largest gain since April 2000 (CBS) (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BE5988F25%2D4D60%2D41AC%2DB2A4%2D987F92E8E5EA%7D&siteid=mktw)

Declining welfare rolls across America (NY Times, March) (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040401/1/3j7km.html)

Report on the state of the nation's economy (Joint Economic Committee of Congress, March) (http://jec.senate.gov/_files/Mar9RED.pdf)

*This is the first time in 10 years the economy had 3 straight quarters of better than 4% growth and the best annual GDP in 20 years.

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Dumbass anti-Bush morons! I'd bet my life that if John Kerry gets elected, Al Qaeda will overrun this country! Bush is fighting to defend <i>your</i> right to speak against him! If you let these people take over, you would lose your head to say such a thing. If you don't like Bush, and you don't like the U.S., then LEAVE! Try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia or China for a few years. If you survive, then maybe you'd actually like President Bush quite a bit!

I'm for Bush all the way, but calling people dumbasses doesn't do anything except make you look like one. Besides, it seems to me that 90% of the people who do it are all democrats or are talking about Bush. I would like to think that I'm above that and therefore better because of it. Seeing it from someone who is for Bush, makes me madder than if someone was calling pro-Bush people dumbasses. We need all the educated people we can get, and what your doing isnt helping.
Exactly...read my post

Hi all, 20 year old male living in Illinois with his 0.02. First of all, let me just say, I'm Jewish. We, as a group, really only vote Democrat but that's beside the point. There is a saying in the Talmud by Rabbi Ram-Bam where he writes: "Hate begets hate, and violence begets violence just as ignorance is the breeding ground of intolerace and stupidity, the plague of the world." President Bush, frankly, scares me. He terrifies me because he so disregards other opinions and options - he strikes me as a red blooded totalitarian. I should also insert here that I'm a 20 year old, Bi Jewish male, whose parents are Christian ministers (I converted), who was born in Canada and raised there till he was 15. I guess what it comes down to for me, is that every value and moral I value - Bush contradicts. He's not kind, compassionate, or caring at all. I hope that in the elections this year, it will be Kerry. Not because I want Kerry particularily well...if I had my choice for top 2 I wanted it would be 1) Former Gen. Wesley Clark (because he's fair and compassionate, grounded yet free of thought). 2) Howard Dean (Mentally enlightened in general...but that scream was hilarious). I don't want Kerry in, necessarily, I just want Bush OUT. I'm convinced that if he stays in office we will see the first nuclear weapons used (either by us or against us - and if against us, by a militant group) since 1945. I weep because America has potential to be so great...but it's so ethnocentric and he's the epitome of that. B'shalom.

I don't think they had a bearing on either. And don't forget that the Japanese weren't the only ones placed in internment camps during World war II.

What in America? 'Cause that was what I was talking about. Although I have studied both the World Wars. Hey did you know that no one talks about the Armenian holocaust in WWI? I didn't know anything about until I hit the System of a down website and read all of Kurt Vonnigut's books including "Blue Beard".

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) measures came in at 4.2%. (CBS Market Watch *)

The GDP measures car wrecks as an economic boon because of repair costs, insurance costs, and other expenses. Do you know any company that lists a loss as part of their net as well? This number has never been a true indicator of economic growth.

Bush hails jobs numbers, economy (CNN)

Well of course he's going to. But he's not a smart man to go to places like Weirton, West Virginia to hail job numbers when the largest employer in the region declared bankruptcy because Bush reneged on his promises to the steel industry. Keeping in mind also that Bush's economic team now lists a job at McDonald's as a manufacturing job.

Housing [market] starts climbing (MSNBC)

The housing market? Ever think that might have something to do with the interest rates? Now ask yourself why the interest rates are so low. Connect the answer with Bush's economic plan and you might be shocked.

U.S. nonfarm payrolls grew by a surprising 308,000 in March, the largest gain since April 2000 (CBS)

Bush is going to be the first president in 70 years to finish a four year term with a net job loss. Last month he so proudly touted his numbers but when you took away the nonfarm jobs, almost all of the jobs created were government related. Didn't Bush promise to cut the number of federal employees in 2000 when he was campaigning?

This month you should also take a look at the jobs created. Over 90% were in service industries. So our economy is replacing manufacturing jobs that pay decent wages for service jobs that pay barely above the minimum wage. Dig deeper to see the truth about job numbers.

Declining welfare rolls across America (NY Times, March)

You seriously believe this? Bush has slashed benefits and moneys for welfare programs across the country. The numbers are declining because a large number of people have been kicked off the welfare rolls and are now no longer a statistic of any kind. This isn't good news. It goes the same with unemployment. Oh wow, the number of people on the unemployment rolls is staying steady. But take a look at the truer number: the number of people eligible for employment and how many are working and see how bad the numbers truly are.

Report on the state of the nation's economy (Joint Economic Committee of Congress, March)

The nation's budget doesn't list wartime costs. How misleading is that? Last year Bush called for 87 billion dollars. How much more this year that isn't included in the economic numbers?

By the way, do you rob Peter to pay Paul? Bush's economics sure do since state budgets are in their worst shape since the Depression of the 30's. Just to give you one example: Bush's One Stop Initiative for job training. In 2005, the cost of these initiatives are laid 100% on the states. But it sure is easy to tout the program, especially now that the states have to fund it. No Child Left Behind is a classic example of Bush economics.

*This is the first time in 10 years the economy had 3 straight quarters of better than 4% growth and the best annual GDP in 20 years.

Last year was the largest budget deficit in the history of our country. This year we're on track to break that easily. Our economy is tanking.

He's not kind, compassionate, or caring at all.

I disagree. Bush has devoted a considerable amount of time to trying to help out religious charities, send aid to Africa (more so than most republicans), and improve the Middle East (albeit with maybe a few questionable affiliates/organizations influencing his administration, but that's not anything new).

What in America? 'Cause that was what I was talking about. Although I have studied both the World Wars. Hey did you know that no one talks about the Armenian holocaust in WWI? I didn't know anything about until I hit the System of a down website and read all of Kurt Vonnigut's books including "Blue Beard".

Germans and Italians were held in internment camps during WW II in America. In fact, most of the Germans in these camps were not released until 1947, long after the Japanese were releasd from those camps. If I remember, several of the Germans in these camps were then held at Ellis Island and deported.

And I've never heard of the Armenian holocaust.

He's not kind, compassionate, or caring at all.

I disagree. Bush has devoted a considerable amount of time to trying to help out religious charities, send aid to Africa (more so than most republicans), and improve the Middle East (albeit with maybe a few questionable affiliates/organizations influencing his administration, but that's not anything new).

Okay... is it alright if I ask where there are websites at which I can evidence of this? And one other thing the Middle East doesn't look to ave improved to me. Maybe it would be except Bush pushed Clinton out before he could complete his negotiations with the Israelis and Palestinians. But anyway *yawn* must go to bed...

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.

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By definition - homosexuals can not be married to each other.
A legal union - yes.

This is one reason why people have so much trouble comunicating effectively with each other - they do not use words correctly.

Come on people - please get it straight:

ONLY CONGRESS CAN COME UP WITH OUR FEDERAL LAWS.

They also are the one that come up with the Federal Budget.

Congress is not doing its job by not impeaching judges that are illegally making laws.

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.

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By definition - homosexuals can not be married to each other.
A legal union - yes.

This is one reason why people have so much trouble comunicating effectively with each other - they do not use words correctly.

Fine that's your defination, but I define marriage as the legalization of the solemn bond two individuals feel between themselves. And as for using words correctly, what does it amount to if no one is open to the meaning behind the words? :roll:

I don't think they had a bearing on either. And don't forget that the Japanese weren't the only ones placed in internment camps during World war II.

What in America? 'Cause that was what I was talking about. Although I have studied both the World Wars. Hey did you know that no one talks about the Armenian holocaust in WWI? I didn't know anything about until I hit the System of a down website and read all of Kurt Vonnigut's books including "Blue Beard".

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Where have you been? There has been many genocides in the history of man. Some are kept on public display and some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into them now and then.

I don't think they had a bearing on either. And don't forget that the Japanese weren't the only ones placed in internment camps during World war II.

What in America? 'Cause that was what I was talking about. Although I have studied both the World Wars. Hey did you know that no one talks about the Armenian holocaust in WWI? I didn't know anything about until I hit the System of a down website and read all of Kurt Vonnigut's books including "Blue Beard".

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Where have you been? There has been many genocides in the history of man. Some are kept on public display and some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into them now and then.

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system. :roll:

1.) Gay marriage-- I have no problem with gay marriage, and it is not because I am bisexual. I feel it is the personal right of an individual to choose whoever they wish as their life partner. However it must be within the reason of good taste and consent of both parties. Also under the Constitution it clearly states that the state and the church are seperate entities. Everyone should rememember that as many idiotic parent who don't want their kids exposed to the pledge of alliance have mentioned that many times. Also remember that America is a nation of many religions not just Christianity and many other religions have no problem with homosexuality, in fact they endorse it.

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By definition - homosexuals can not be married to each other.
A legal union - yes.

This is one reason why people have so much trouble comunicating effectively with each other - they do not use words correctly.

Fine that's your defination, but I define marriage as the legalization of the solemn bond two individuals feel between themselves. And as for using words correctly, what does it amount to if no one is open to the meaning behind the words? :roll:

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Thanks for the credit but I have never written a dictionary.

Until the definition is changed - technically homosexuals cannot get married to each other.

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Are you sure? Afterall, your only indication of my knowledge base is what you have witness within this thread and perhaps this forum. Therefore and by you have no true measure of my scope of knowledge. Thus is both arrogant and pretensive to make the statement you did. Besides knowledge is merely a subjective quality instituted by humanity's inherently competive nature. :)

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Are you sure? Afterall, your only indication of my knowledge base is what you have witness within this thread and perhaps this forum. Therefore and by you have no true measure of my scope of knowledge. Thus is both arrogant and pretensive to make the statement you did. Besides knowledge is merely a subjective quality instituted by humanity's inherently competive nature. :)

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Now that came out of a Psych textbook and just proves my point.

Most people I have meet have a detectable streak of arrogance - which is why you lashed out at me on your last post. I meant no disrespect. It was not personal.

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Are you sure? Afterall, your only indication of my knowledge base is what you have witness within this thread and perhaps this forum. Therefore and by you have no true measure of my scope of knowledge. Thus is both arrogant and pretensive to make the statement you did. Besides knowledge is merely a subjective quality instituted by humanity's inherently competive nature. :)

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Now that came out of a Psych textbook and just proves my point.

Most people I have meet have a detectable streak of arrogance - which is why you lashed out at me on your last post. I meant no disrespect. It was not personal.

It's cool don't woory about it. However that did not come out of a text book. It actually came from my head, through I will admit that I have aspirations of becoming a pyschologist.

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Are you sure? Afterall, your only indication of my knowledge base is what you have witness within this thread and perhaps this forum. Therefore and by you have no true measure of my scope of knowledge. Thus is both arrogant and pretensive to make the statement you did. Besides knowledge is merely a subjective quality instituted by humanity's inherently competive nature. :)

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Now that came out of a Psych textbook and just proves my point.

Most people I have meet have a detectable streak of arrogance - which is why you lashed out at me on your last post. I meant no disrespect. It was not personal.

It's cool don't woory about it. However that did not come out of a text book. It actually came from my head, through I will admit that I have aspirations of becoming a pyschologist.

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Becoming a scientist is cool. Maybe you can figure out why there are people out there like Saddam Hussein. Then we would cut out some of the suffering on this world.

Give President Bush his 4 more years and vote out all Senators and Congressmen that have more than 8 years in each office. Kill the pork and get the Federal government down in size.

One less bureaucrat, is like a breathe of fresh air.

I don't necessarily agree that parties are foolish. I do, however, think that the 2 party system could use a tune up.

Nah...I'm in favor of the two-party system...

Party on friday, and party on Saturday!! :P

Give President Bush his 4 more years .

Not just no...but F**K NO!!!!

If I had MY way, that asshole wouldn't get four more MINUTES!!!

Give President Bush his 4 more years .

Not just no...but F**K NO!!!!

If I had MY way, that asshole wouldn't get four more MINUTES!!!

If you had your way I'm sure you would be king of America, and we would all be your little lackeys.

Dude you said it yourself. "Some are kept in the ether waiting for people to bump into now and then." I mean come on I'm freaking 17! Besides which I think I'm doing pretty good based on the current trend in today's education system.


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Then I guess you have a lot of reading to do. To catch up with my knowledge base.

Enjoy it - there many new things to learn every minute of your life.
Good luck - Live long and prosper!

Are you sure? Afterall, your only indication of my knowledge base is what you have witness within this thread and perhaps this forum. Therefore and by you have no true measure of my scope of knowledge. Thus is both arrogant and pretensive to make the statement you did. Besides knowledge is merely a subjective quality instituted by humanity's inherently competive nature. :)

lol - I'm sorry but there's no such word as 'pretensive', 'pretentious' perhaps, the delicious irony of that error contravening the intention of your post was just too good to resist. I really ought not intervene at all but surely the object is that others might make judgements about your intellect and wisdom based on your responses in general, not one post designed to prove how clever you are.

Anyhow, I'm sure I've made comments on that basis from time to time so I guess I'm not really fit to judge.