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If you have conservative opinions I would like to have a discussion about the Iraq situation. If you are a liberal please go elsewhere.
I bet you anything that this will be a liberal hornet's nest within 24 hours.

Did you know that liberal used to mean pro-capitalism and mildly anti-government?

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I bet it'll take less than 24 hours.

Did you know that liberal used to mean pro-capitalism and mildly anti-government?

Yep. Now it seems to mean (in America anways) Socialistic and Pro-Government.

Yep. Now it seems to mean (in America anways) Socialistic and Pro-Government.

Libertarian used to be socialist and anti-government. Anarchists often call themselves libertarian or libertarian communist.

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"But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality."
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!

http://www.angelfire.com/mo3/terrapvlchra/images/steatopygia.jpg

Where I live, liberals are pro-tax cuts (not anti-tax), and pro-capitalist. There is no equivalent to a libertarian party here, though I feel we could use one.

I bet it'll take less than 24 hours.

I think I'd have to agree with you on that one. :D

I bet it'll take less than 24 hours.

I think I'd have to agree with you on that one. :D

I like how no one is responding to this. Where's the fun in debating something where everyone agrees?

You might call my views on the Iraq war 'conservative'.

You won't find me trying to set up a little corner where I can talk about it away from the people who disagree with me. I suggest www.conservativeonlyyesmenforums.com

Besides it's an attempt doomed to failure on NS. And that's a good thing.

If you have conservative opinions I would like to have a discussion about the Iraq situation. If you are a liberal please go elsewhere.
I bet you anything that this will be a liberal hornet's nest within 24 hours.

No private threads in General.

I'm liberal and I posted in this topic. What will you do? Huh? I'm waiting.

I would have to say that although the current Bush administration handled the situation badly the war on Iraq was ultimately justified.

Looking at this from a pragmatic, realist perspective:

Past aside, Iraq represented a real danger to the United State's interests in the middle east. It was seeking weapons of mass destruction and had shown that it was willing to use WMDs during the Iran-Iraq war (the gassing of Iranian troops and Kurdish rebels). Had Iraq acquired WMDs there is little doubt that they would use them to their advantage to upset the balance of power in the middle east and possibly use them or threaten to use them against US interests forcing the US into a major dilemma.

The Bush Administration was faced with a choice: Attack Iraq now while the cost of war would be low, or wait until Iraq forced a conflict that would undoubtedly have an enormous cost, so in the best choice was to attack first. The attack on Iraq also provided an example to the enemies of the United States that the United States would not tolerate the proliferation of WMDs which would upset the Balance of Power compelling hostile nations to think twice about their WMD programs.

I think the Bush Administration bungled the situation by:
1. Not trying diplomacy enough first.
2. Alienating friendly countries.
3. Saying that Iraq had WMDs they should have just stated that they were seeking WMDs and outlined the problems a WMD-armed Iraq would cause as a justification.
4. Not having a clear exit strategy

Additionally, I do not agree with the Neo-cons who seem to be dominating US foreign policy at the moment, they are brash and reckless. They believe that the best way to bring about world peace is to transform the world and spread US-style democracy around the globe. They will recklessly get us in war after war and most likely continue to undermine the US position in world affairs if they are allowed to go on unimpeded.

Some will argue why not North Korea then? Well, North Korea most likely has WMDs and is in a position to hit US interest so the cost of war with them would be incalculable. However they are thankfully reigned in by China, although China is also part of the problem since they act as a diplomatic shield for North Korea.

I am not arguing whether or not it was truly moral to attack Iraq, I am saying it was in the United State's best interest. In the same way it was in France and Russia's interests to oppose the war since they had lucrative oil contracts with the Saddam regime.

I'm liberal and I posted in this topic. What will you do? Huh? I'm waiting.

Sting consevatives I think.

If you have conservative opinions I would like to have a discussion about the Iraq situation. If you are a liberal please go elsewhere.
I bet you anything that this will be a liberal hornet's nest within 24 hours.

No private threads in General.In case absolutely NOBODY noticed (which is obviously the case) I was trying to see what would happen if I made a near-identical copy of "Forum for Liberals"If you have liberal opinions I would like to have a discussion about the Iraq situation. If you are a conservative please go elsewhere. I think W is evil. So is his dad.This is exactly what I expected. Look closely at my first post:
If you have conservative opinions I would like to have a discussion about the Iraq situation. If you are a liberal please go elsewhere.
I bet you anything that this will be a liberal hornet's nest within 24 hours.

In case absolutely NOBODY noticed (which is obviously the case) I was trying to see what would happen if I made a near-identical copy of "Forum for Liberals"

You mean that intellectually anemic thread that, as it was an obvious trolling attempt, nobody would post on? Now that's inspiration... :roll:

Did you even read that thread first?